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Topic: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs! (Read 981530 times)
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2009 June 13, 00:59:34 »
This is section 2 of the EULA:
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2. Intellectual Property Rights and Ownership.
A. Reservation of Rights. You have purchased a limited license to the Software and your rights are limited to the license grant above and subject to this License. You may not otherwise copy, display, distribute, perform, publish, modify, or use the Software or any component of it. You are prohibited from making a copy of the Software available on a network where it could be used or downloaded by multiple users. Except as expressly licensed to you herein, EA and its licensors, as applicable, owns and reserves all right, title and interest in the Software, and all related data, characters, themes, objects, storyline, images, photographs, graphics, animations, video, music, text, and the associated copyrights, trademarks, moral rights and other intellectual property rights therein. This License is limited to the intellectual property rights of EA and its licensors in the Software and does not include any rights to other patents or intellectual property. Except to the extent permitted under applicable law, you may not decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or created derivative works of the Software by any means whatsoever. You may not remove, alter, or obscure any product identification, copyright, or other intellectual property notices in the Software. All rights not expressly granted herein are reserved to EA.
B. Contributing Content through The Sims 3 Launcher
1. If you have an EA account and have registered the Software online, the Software allows you to download additional content for the game from EA’s website(s) and to upload content to the website(s) through The Sims 3 Launcher.
2. Uploading and downloading content is subject to EA’s online terms of service (terms.ea.com). You may not upload any content through the Software that is protected by copyright, trademark or other intellectual property rights unless you are permitted to do so by the owner or law. EA may, without prior notice to you and in its sole judgment, remove content that may infringe the intellectual property rights of a third party. If you are a repeat infringer of EA's or a third party’s intellectual property rights, EA may terminate your EA account without notice to you.
3. In exchange for enabling your contribution of content, when you contribute content through the Software, you expressly grant to EA a non-exclusive, perpetual, fully transferable and sub-licensable, worldwide, irrevocable right to use, reproduce, modify and create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, broadcast, and publicly display and perform the content, or any portion thereof, in connection with the distribution of such content to other users and potential users of the Software (such as, for example, featuring such content for download in The Sims 3 Launcher) and in the marketing and advertising of the Software, without further notice, payment or attribution to you. You grant EA all licenses, consents and clearances to enable EA to use such content for such purposes.
4. In exchange for the right to use content contributed by other users through the Software, when you contribute content through the Software, you expressly grant to other users of the Software the non-exclusive, perpetual, transferable, worldwide, irrevocable right to access and use, copy, modify, display, perform, and create and distribute derivative works from, your contributed content in connection with the Software, and to distribute and otherwise communicate your contributed content as a component of works that they create using the Software, for example, The Sims lots or The Sims videos, without further notice, attribution or compensation to you. You hereby waive any moral rights of paternity, publication, reputation, or attribution under applicable law with respect to EA’s and other players’ use and enjoyment of such content contributions in connection with the Software.
I can see where falln_angel can get 2 and 3, because it no where says you can't charge for content, and it says you agree that when submitting content you give up all rights to it. But the only thing about it is, if you read it, it only talks about sharing content through the launcher. If you upload something to MTS or GOS, or even TSR, it doesn't seem you are bound by subsection B of section 2 of the EULA, because it only talks about sharing content through the launcher, and in terms, only sharing content on the exchange. I think they did want to stop fan sites from having content on their own sites, to get rid of the paysite/freesite/pirate thing. That didn't happen, because you can just as easily share content on a fan site as you can submit it to the exchange through the launcher.
I would email EA support asking them about this to see what they say, but they don't answer emails from me anymore.
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2009 June 13, 01:09:31 »
Yep. That's what I thought. All the EULA talks about is by using the exchange using the launcher. There's not a single word concerning CC outside the exchange except maybe this: "Except to the extent permitted under applicable law, you may not decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or created
derivative works
of the Software by any means whatsoever." . Does that mean that technically no CC outdside the exchange is legally permitted or what?!
Oh boy the fight will go on for a loooooong time. *prepares a load of virtual peas and rum*
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2009 June 13, 04:00:12 »
Well, TSR finally has their CC up and running. Mostly the same as MTS, etc. Everythings free and I must admit some of the patterns look decent. But there were two things in the lots section that caught my eye
http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims3-lots-community/title/Shopping%20Complex/id/878861/
http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims3-lots-community/title/All%20In%20One%20Community%20Location/id/878820/
Are these possible? Did they actually have someone figure out how to make your own rabbit holes? Any brave souls out there want to download them and find out?
Oh...and by the way..
You too can be an SA or FA
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Quote from: ValancySterling on 2009 June 13, 04:00:12
Well, TSR finally has their CC up and running. Mostly the same as MTS, etc. Everythings free and I must admit some of the patterns look decent. But there were two things in the lots section that caught my eye
http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims3-lots-community/title/Shopping%20Complex/id/878861/
http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims3-lots-community/title/All%20In%20One%20Community%20Location/id/878820/
Are these possible? Did they actually have someone figure out how to make your own rabbit holes? Any brave souls out there want to download them and find out?
I think the "Rabbit Hole" places are actually items that you place on lots designated as Community. So no, TSR hasn't figured out how to make them.
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2009 June 13, 04:11:25 »
They is right. If you go to a community lot, under build mode there is a special section that has the rabbit hole buildings and some deco things.
ETA: From the link on info to be a FA or SA for sims 3, I love this:
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So how do you become selected you might ask?
It's quite simple: submit your work to TSR. We've been looking at Sims creations for the last 9 years and we know what is and isn't good enough to make the grade
I could spam this post by saying HAHAHA a lot, but I'll hold back.
And didn't at one point TSR deny that they pay FAs?
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From the T$R "how do you become SA/FA" thingie
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Further down the line there will be positions open for Clothing, Hair, Objects, Make-up and basically any type of Custom Content you can create for the game.
Hmmm... I used to hope no one would make CC tools for Sims3 and it would tank, but I can't really blame tools makers for wanting to make tools. Especially now that EA has started releasing its own tools. I can still fervently hope that Sims3 tool creators write explicitly that their tools can only be used to make free content, on free sites only, and no T$R.
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Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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They've started releasing tools? Where?
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Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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Jumping back a few posts...
Quote from: rum nate on 2009 June 13, 00:59:34
But the only thing about it is, if you read it, it only talks about sharing content through the launcher. If you upload something to MTS or GOS, or even TSR, it doesn't seem you are bound by subsection B of section 2 of the EULA, because it only talks about sharing content through the launcher, and in terms, only sharing content on the exchange.
But isn't the launcher the only EA-sanctioned means of sharing CC, or am I completely misinformed here? I don't have the game, so actually have no idea what's involved in getting creations off one computer and onto another, but this seems to indicate that they're not in favour of people messing with the program, even if it's just to find other ways of sharing CC (again, unless I'm completely misreading it):
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you may not decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or created derivative works of the Software by any means whatsoever.
In most legal documents I've seen, terms like "the Software" are defined at the beginning of the document to mean one specific thing, either in a glossary or the first time the phrase is used - in the case it presumably means "The Sims 3". The fact that "the Software" is used in Section A, before any mention of the Launcher (at least in the excerpts I've seen) indicates to me that further use of "the Software" is also in reference to TS3 as a whole. But I haven't actually seen the entire EULA, so this is basically all just conjecture.
It still seems to me that they're trying to stay out of the whole pay vs. free/copyright infringement debate while not giving away ownership of their product... and, in typical EA fashion, not doing a very good job of it. It would be easier if they, you know, make a stand or something, but I guess that's just not their style.
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Quote from: SoggyFox on 2009 June 13, 14:00:02
They've started releasing tools? Where?
I meant when they do release more tools, sorry about the confusion. I haven't seen many for Sims3 besides the MTS2 pattern maker.
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You are right falln_angel, the launcher is the only EA sanctioned means of sharing CC. That is where you go to upload your sims, recolors, and houses. The thing I am really wondering about now that I think of it, the EULA really makes it sound like they only want people to upload content to just the exchange, but they made it damn easy to share content on other sites, because there is an exports folder where lots and I assume sims and recolors you click in game to package to upload, much like the packaged lots folder for Sims 2. So getting content on other sites is just as easy as Sims 2. Modding the game is a different story, and I really don't think they expected people to be able to mod the game like they are.
Fake Edit: I'll try to post the EULA when I get back.
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14. Governing Law. This License shall be governed by and construed (without regard to conflicts or choice of law principles) under the laws of the State of California as applied to agreements entered into and to be performed entirely in California between California residents. Unless expressly waived by EA in writing for the particular instance or contrary to local law, the sole and exclusive jurisdiction and venue for actions related to the subject matter hereof shall be the California state and federal courts having within their jurisdiction the location of EA’s principal corporate place of business. Both parties consent to the jurisdiction of such courts and agree that process may be served in the manner provided herein for giving of notices or otherwise as allowed by California or federal law. The parties agree that the UN Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods (Vienna, 1980) shall not apply to this License or to any dispute or transaction arising out of this License.
15. Export. You agree to abide by U.S. and other applicable export control laws and agree not to transfer the Software to a foreign national, or national destination, which is prohibited by such laws, without first obtaining, and then complying with, any requisite government authorization. You certify that you are not a person with whom EA is prohibited from transacting business under applicable law.
16. Third Party Technology. If you use this Software on a MAC, then your Software incorporates technology developed by TransGaming Inc. (“Cider”). Cider(tm) is Copyright © 2000-2009 TransGaming Inc.
17. Entire Agreement. This License constitutes the entire agreement between you and EA with respect to the Software and supersedes all prior or contemporaneous understandings regarding such subject matter. No amendment to or modification of this License will be binding unless made in writing and signed by EA. No failure to exercise, and no delay in exercising, on the part of either party, any right or any power hereunder shall operate as a waiver thereof, nor shall any single or partial exercise of any right or power hereunder preclude further exercise of any other right hereunder. In the event of a conflict between this License and any applicable purchase or other terms, the terms of this License shall govern.
© Electronic Arts Inc. 2009
Sorry to triple post, but the EULA is too long for just one post. But there it is, the EULA for The Sims 3 in full.
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2009 June 15, 15:06:41 »
Nice bit of schadenfreude for you pirates via coconut. FAs have taken a huge cut in their pay - over half of their pay in all of the cases, and over three quarters in some of the cases depending on the age of the item. Thomass decided that it was a sheer outrage to have them earning money for older items, when they could be earning a great deal less. So he keeps it forever, still selling it at the same price, but FAs get less money than they ever did before! That's what I call an effective employee retention technique.
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Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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2009 June 15, 15:17:55 »
...but, you must admit, not untypical of TSR.
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Re: TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!
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Quote from: calalily on 2009 June 15, 15:06:41
Nice bit of schadenfreude for you pirates via coconut. FAs have taken a huge cut in their pay - over half of their pay in all of the cases, and over three quarters in some of the cases depending on the age of the item. Thomass decided that it was a sheer outrage to have them earning money for older items, when they could be earning a great deal less. So he keeps it forever, still selling it at the same price, but FAs get less money than they ever did before! That's what I call an effective employee retention technique.
How are FAs reacting to this? Is there any protest at all, or is it just "thank you sir may I have another?"
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