PMBD

Okay, folks, inspired by both the adult content at TSR and the More Awful Than You contests at MATY, I present you our More Smutty Than You thread!

We all know TSR makes a big deal about being PG-13, and has a rule that some sites (MTS2) can't be linked to because of adult content (which is all on its sister site, but whatever), so let's make sure we know what the truth is. While TSR doesn't host things like the fuck-n-wobble, they do tend to push the envelope with pimp and whore clothes, and questionable items for children.  Be sure not to hotlink the photos... but please give us the name of the item and the creator, so we can all find it.

Subcategory - what comes up when you type in 'pimp', 'whore', or other words like that into the search engine? (Do note that some things come up under pimp because there's a reference to the site Pimp-My-Sims.)

Let's have some fun!

Cool thread  ;D


By SasquatchM  Added: Nov 1, 2004
(http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/8430/88782tw9.jpg)

Description: A purple body stocking with brave cut-outs and matching gloves.
http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/clothing/female/adult/swimwear/88782/

**pic deleted by teh photobucket.**
Description:
"Great for the bedroom or as sexy underwear be classy, sassy and eligant in this set ADULTS ONLY one young adult in clothes section"
This is made by Gobby, and is found here: http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/SetID_190917/

The word "whore" and "slut" gave me this little ditty.
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk30/blessedagain06/w-250h-189-252061.jpg)
Here's the artists description with it: 
Pink Lips that are covered with many small bloody scabs and scars. YOu might not want to kiss the person with these lips. (All ages/sexes) (Lipstick) - Agent 420

For the heck of it I also typed in "boobs" and came up with this little winner from chillyzgrrl:
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk30/blessedagain06/w-185h-250-186703.jpg)

mhmm...there's something for you're 13 year old to go out in public wearing.  :o

Edit:  Forgot the name of the artist on that last pic.

By foxifaery
(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6826/177772vh6.jpg)

"Sexy lingerie set from Trashy.com. Young adult and adult."

The outfit isn't *that* bad, but I just looked at the site :D. Yes, definitely suitable for kids to be directed to...  ::)

Ok, honest to God, hand on bible. If I could find one

I typed in "cum slut" and this, is what I got.

(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/18898310/317648975.jpg)

It's the Ladies Van!  By Agent 420

This mini van is for the Ladies. Why? Because look at it.. It's pink and white. That's why.  - Agent 420

I lol'd myself

Yeah, that came up for 'whore' too.

Nice. Really really nice.

Another one from Gobby....

http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/sets/clothing/219101/

If they're so hard on PG-13, how come she hasn't had anything said to her?

Beyotches

candyrain Added: Oct 5, 2007
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3057/candyrain4gb4.png)
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3678/candyrain3wu7.png)
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9748/candyrain2lu8.png)

and for the sim paedo's out there..

Evi
(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9447/evibr6.png)
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1545/image6bp0.png)

clcny20
(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5333/image4gc0.png)

discusting  >:(

from: agaliha5

(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/18898310/317651224.jpg)



Open your own Hooters resturant. Set includes tables, chairs, counters, four uniforms, and much much more. No meshes required, all maxis recolors.

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee129/markus_randall/wtf_2.jpg)

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee129/markus_randall/wtf_3.jpg)

Yep. Great..great.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/asimplesparkle/106079.jpg)

I would love for my kiddies, if I had any, to see this.
And the caption, "Has your sim slept with every girl in the neighbourhood? Then maybe he deserves this T-shirt."

Ok, I have to re-find where it came from, but here we have the community lot dedicated to public sim sex:
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g287/chemistrycourtney/sims2/yucky%20tsr/434151_2.jpg)

And the woo-hoo wallpaper, by The Unicorn.  The description says, "For your big lovers in the game ;)" 
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g287/chemistrycourtney/sims2/yucky%20tsr/w-125h-250-122262.jpg)

I also saw a woo hoo do it for the kids shirt.  I searched.  You guessed it.  Woo hoo.  This time.  Last time I searched "sexy".  I am searching rather "pg 13 titles" if you will. 

A lot of these are PG-13.  Can't they show nipple in PG-13 movies these days?

Sherrie totally wins so far.

Not that I could find anything.  :(

(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/962/bigpackage001alm4.png)

Sims2Sisters attempt to redefine the package file with this contribution. Yup, this sims got BALLS. GREAT BIG'UNS. And so does TSR for thinking this anatomy lesson in briefs is appropriate for all ages.

(Markus, I almost fell over laughing because of the Pussy dress)

The closest I've come is with this one from FA Bunny:
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk30/blessedagain06/w-250h-250-455858.jpg)

And here is the description that comes with it:
Luxurious lingerie in 6 colours comprising beautiful boned basque with softly padded lace-trimmed cups, sexy sheer panels and corset-style lace up back, worn with sheer lace-trimmed matching panties. For adults and young adults. Standard Maxis mesh.

I think Sherrie is still the winner though regarding this with her submission. ;)

Edit: While trying to post this Snarky has come up with a really interesting one, this could be a tight race. :D

(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7029/181224ii9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/cmid_1071542/sims2/clothing/male/adult/swimwear/181224/

It could've been worse if the woman realized that the damn thing would've been a thong, though.

Snarky, that is icky. Especially the giant balls and happy trail.

 :o

sonicpixie420

(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9985/sonicpixie420rf0.png)


gobby
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4319/gobbybr0.png)
Description:Get in the christmas spirit with this onsomble. Get extra pressie from santa by showing him your unique sence of style.

that brings a new meaning to 'santa comes but once a year, but when he does he fills your stockings'  - support stockings I guess!

Note that these are undies for teens.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/ShlupQuack/sims/639317.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/ShlupQuack/sims/634221.jpg)

Sherrie, as I was waiting for that granny picture to load I was thinking, "well, that's not so bad" ...and then her butt and crotch showed up. -  :o - Leave it to TSR to stick Granny's flat old ass in a thong. 

Plum, I've never been inside of a girl's locker room, but something tells me that, even by today's standards, those are way inappropriate for that age group.

I don't know what to say, but it's not acceptable  ::)
created by H76CXL

(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/tymnia/709741.jpg)

Hypocrits! They're using fishnets trying to catch $$$$ why not Nashi Nipples?

Here's something under sexy clothes:
made by jassims:
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/tymnia/seksii.jpg)

After performing a search for Sex Toys, which brought up apartment buildings (WTFH?!) I ended up resorting to thongs.

(http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/tmp/687/687399.jpg)
Edit: It's by justtschibi and is for "well rounded" teens. Though the model looks like a stretched out Prostitot.

And god I hate tsr with its hundreds of ads that clog up the webpage. The one with the stupid guy smacking his head on the brick wall is very tsr. :P

I hate the tsr ad with the spiders crawling over the woman's face. I am not scared by spiders but I do get a bit anxious when I see crawling black things on my computer.
And whats with all the DEATH talk? Surely the chilluns are too young to deal with mortality :P <-- and pictures of "When are you doing to die? Find out!" complete with pictures of dead babies and zombie dolls.
Or is it just my profile? Shit.. is Thomas on to me?? *gulps rum and dons tin foil hat*

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk310/VodKaknockers_bucket/713031.jpg)

By a phorum fave, OpenhouseJack (http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/search_OpenHouseJack/).  Now, I personally don't have a problem with homo-erotic imagery, but it is generally considered a mature theme.

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee129/markus_randall/wtf_5a.jpg)

Even MTS2 censor their Barbie skins.

Well, nothing's going to beat Sherri's first entry since it manages to be both super-slutty and completely crappy-looking, but here are some tasteful little numbers for you Sim teens.

First, Lovelynhot brings us this:

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7365/521415st4.jpg) (http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/clothing/female/teen/undies/521415/)

"This sexy Sheer lingerie that will surly turn some heads. What better way to get his attention with this hot little number. The panties are actually and thong!"


Next, justtschibi has created "The black corsage of the teen's sexy secret set." (What does that even mean?)

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5769/573213uw5.jpg) (http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/clothing/female/teen/undies/573213/)

And finally, juttaponath presents this outfit in a variety of colours.

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/567/377300do5.jpg) (http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/clothing/female/teen/undies/377300/)


Am I wrong in thinking those would all be too smutty for MTS2?

Just a few random picks.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrsmut1.jpg)

Admits mature theme.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrsmut2.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrsmut3.jpg)

Lets encourage gambling and getting into debt.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrad1.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrad4.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrad2.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrad3.jpg)

Yowzers, did you read the product description.  PG13 I think not. 

Fraud....like t$r?  ;D

'For those woohoo loving teens'.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrsmut5.jpg)

This one disturbs me on so many levels.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrsmut6.jpg)

Those Woohoo shirts look like something I would have made in my early days of clothing creation (granted I still suck and gave up, and never released it).

(http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/263/263837.jpg)
By Piety"Deliciously tacky, these dresses satisfy a desire every Sim Chick has -- to look like a $2 hooker, of course! If your Sim Girls have a desire to flaunt their fabulous physiques, then these are the dresses for them. 6 in all."

Funny how typing slutty, slave and whore comes up with a lot of hits but also lists FAs completely unrelated to the search.  :D
What are they trying to say about their FA's?

Ewww cor blimey at the grandma wearing sexy clothes. *Nightmares*

Seems like this Gobby person is uploading more sexy stuff than anyone! Maybe she aint gettin it right in real life?! ;D

I am seriously amazed nothing's been said to her though lol

This is slightly worrying though >>

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/bethbrit2001/whore.jpg)

Another piece of wholesomeness.

Cloisonne is a retired "artist", but she's used Grizzelda's mesh so it's fair game.

(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/dietofworms_avatar/w-250h-188-245185.jpg)

ETA:  I reported that Gobby skin when it first came out, with an additional note to Thomas.  No reply (no surprise).

I think the one in pink stole Cardrews eyes.

Ok, from doumeki

(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/18898310/317650784.jpg)

4 nubile young boys, a bed, and furry feet, all in the same image.

Subliminal?

I think not.

All this stuff looks horrible anyway. I got bored of browsing via the TSR files, i found some ridicilous crappy CC, they even sell recolored maxis stuff.

And Aikea_guinea had tons of stuff there. Glad he/she did quit TSR.

It's because the TSR search system phails.

If you search for a "whore house", it finds everything that has the word "whore" or "house" in the description.  ::)

Does this count as Smutty? I thought the idea behind it was the epitome of whore and slut:
(http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/637/637322.jpg)

(http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/168/168869.jpg)
Um...yeah...

Oh didn't you know? All gay men tattoo bright pink triangles all over their bodies now. [/sarcasm]

As far as your other entry...we need a whole new thread for who's the biggest whore FOR TSR - is it Evi with her family clothing sets with TSR plastered all over them? Suzy for helping Thomas find a way to milk more money out of subscribers? Hmmm.....

Hec I love your idea  ;)

It's been a while since I've been to a gay bar, so I guess I missed that trend. Either that, or my pink triangle is on my back, out of sight.

I really don't like pink. Something is wrong with that color. I don't think i have any pink clothes at all. Red, violet, but not pink.
Pink hearts as tatoos?  :P I wonder who's downloading such stuff.

I think they are supposed to be the pink triangles, as in the symbol for gay.  (literally, symbol for homosexuals, not that stupid "oh that's gay" phrase I hate so much.) I think because of the way they are all badly done though, when I scrolled up just now to look at them, they did kind of look like hearts.  The little ones at least.  Then I had to scroll away again, as it is so bright it burns my eyes.

from wwendy:
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Min8151/HotSweetRaw.jpg)

While the undies themselves aren't so bad, I think the name is somewhat descriptive.
http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/sets/708107/

Right. Here's some skin then...
First, some nipples:
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4782/462677tq8.jpg)
(by iria)

Then we're moving on to the good stuff. Here's some beaver for you:
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8314/288017pn0.jpg)
(by bluesims)

And, if your sim boy's a bit clueless in that area, throw on these:
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3443/425693ra0.jpg)
(by CeruleanTalon)

Oh, and I didn't even have to type 'slut' or anything. I just browsed a few pages in the adult female lingerie section.

Miley Cyrus?

I lol'd at this ad:
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn131/captainjonze/o2ad.jpg)

Bahahahaah the camel toe!

Does this count? The name is a bit...odd and suggestive, although the outfits aren't as grotesque as one would expect from evi.
(http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/713/713885.jpg)

Well i typed in the word naked and got a nice surprise?  ;D its good to see that even the people uploading to TSR know the truth. :D

(http://spacemonkey.www.idnet.com/Lilwen/w-145h-95-560054.jpg)


The only other thing it brought up was a naked gnome.

(http://spacemonkey.www.idnet.com/Lilwen/naked.jpg)

Oh and lots of naked walls.

http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/search_naked/page3in35items/ (http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/search_naked/page3in35items/)

That's got to be a thread winner, and proves conclusivly that TSR's content is 100 times worse then MTS2.


nipples!
fsmcdesigns
(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8168/fsmcdesignskd6.png)

varotica
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7220/varoticavq0.png)

Holy shit, the panties on the blue-haired one...

... OUCH.

That was my reaction too! That is just gross :P

This piece of TSR "Work" isn't smutty when it comes to the clothes itself, but the way this child's buttocks are being flashed at your face leaves you wondering...

(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1006/w204h250254368wt8.th.jpg) (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w204h250254368wt8.jpg)

http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/clothing/female/child/undies/254368/

EDIT: I have a feeling that this next following piece was featured on this site before, so bear with me anyways:

(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2892/w250h188292587ry0.th.jpg) (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w250h188292587ry0.jpg)

http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/sets/292587/

That would be slightly uncomfortable while riding a bicycle in Siberia.

Blech! Those kiddie ones are really repulsive. Guess they're catering to their pedo fanbase.  >:(  Way worse than anything I've ever seen at MTS2 or Insim.

I'm a prude myself, but I've blushed less over at insim adult than looking at some of these. :-\

I am totally new to this so if one of you kind people can help I have one for you, if I give you name and maker can you upload for me as I don't know how to do it.  lady death costume by moongodess.  Sorry but I wanted to join in. By upload I mean put the picture on this page

Those slimy hypocrites. >:(  They seriously piss me off.  I'd love for some of the parents of the 12 year olds who download from TSR to get a gander at the beaver.  LOL, what a funny word--I haven't heard that in a long time. :D

justso, is this the one you mean?
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7262/86569eq4.jpg)
Eew.  ???

exactly the one. Thankyou for that

Last post from me today, promise!  ;D
Simply had to share this though:
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9118/w250h235617052ec6.jpg)
(The caption says: Boy Toys and is referring to the ( o Y o )  :-X)
I mean, those of you with teen daughters must be thrilled TSR are so full of good ideas of how to corrupt the minds of your young ones?
And how inappropriate is this:
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5821/414125sl8.jpg)!!?
(Bluesims again)
I don't care if it's a clothing brand, it's just so wrong! :o  >:(

Windan seems to be here a lot. I found this one for teens, too:

http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/683/683722.jpg (http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/683/683722.jpg)

Actually, if you look at this creator's downloads, you see quite a few interesting pieces.

Thisis too fun, despite the brain damage inflicted from the shitty search engine.

From simal10:
Five layered tops for your male teens. They look better when you mix& match them with untucked jeans. No mesh needed. Enjoy :)
Beaver Hunter:
(http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/tmp/557/557238.jpg)

ok, I've been lurking for quite while, but this thread has inspired me; I couldn't keep silent.  This stuff is sick...just...plain...perverted.  I searched "pussy" and came up with mostly childrens underwear and teen lingerie.  eww ewww!  I'm officially creeped out.  The worst was what Nonna found; i feel dirty just having seen it! (not the good kind of dirty, either) :'(  And whats with all the weight loss ads?!  Man, I knew TSR sucked, but...wow.

Seeing all these massively inappropriate clothes for children puts me in mind of my shopping trips through the children's section.  The way fashions for children are tending toward the "sexy" (I get squicky (thanks calalily) just typing that, but it's true), I keep wondering when they're going to introduce thong underpants for children.  You'll never convince me that someone hasn't already suggested it and been shot down.

Actually, in the US Abercrombie and Fitch already came out with thongs for kids - and they had to pull them from the shelves. Is your faith in humanity gone now? Cuz I think this was the final blow back in 2002 when I heard about it.  :P

Proof: http://money.cnn.com/2002/05/22/news/companies/abercrombie/
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=43941
(For more here's my google news search results: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&tab=wn&q=abercrombie+kid+thongs)
My favorite is the quote: "It's not appropriate for a 7-year-old, but it is appropriate for a 10-year-old," said Carney. "Once you get about 10, you start to care about your underwear, and you start to care about your clothes." [Hampton Carney, the spokesman for the company] WHAT 10yr old says "i care about my underwear, so i want to wear a thong"?? I wasn't even allowed to wear MAKEUP at 10! jesus.

Back on topic, I'm disgusted by some of the kid clothing that's been shown in this thread... Someone who lives near him please got punch Thoma$$ in the mouth for me, cuz he richly deserves it. Bastard.

Man, why stop at childhood? We need toddlers in CFMP's!!! Yes!! Have them show up to Pre-school in their CFMP's, fishnet stockings, and babydoll teddies!!!

Get 'em while they're young!!



(Now I needs to spew, pardon me..........!!!!) >:(

I thought that's what Baby Bratz were for...

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7303/0539615600jy2.jpg)

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7765/c4021ds3.jpg)

Those dolls made me feel yucky even before they started being 'accidentally' shipped with thongs instead of diapers.

sick not sexy >:(
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9553/sickmf2.png)
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5694/sick2ta2.png)

Sherrie, oh the wholesomeness that is TSR.  They are disturbing me more and more.  Talk about sour taste in my mouth.  The moderaters over there want sacking.

Talking of children.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrbait1.jpg)

I found this while browsing the member list over at TSR.  Identifying details have been edited.  A 9 year old girl, giving her family details, a nice little family group pic to go with it, then asks people to get in touch via her email account.  That's asking for trouble.

This isn't the only one like this, there are quite a few innocent kids there, putting up ages and email addys' for any perv to get hold of, and it isn't moderated, well not that I have noticed.

There are more profile pics to come, but this deserved it's own post.

WOW.

T2, that's worse than any disturbing content TSR has. THAT is dangerous. (Anyone got the number for Dateline?)




ETA: For non-Americans, we have a news magazine program that runs a regular segment where pedophiles are tracked and confronted. See clips here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_kADup_wZw).

Geez. As soon as my kids went on the Internet, I gave them a good talking-to about disclosing personal info. NO pictures, town location (region was OK ... they could say they lived in the Southern US, but that was it). last names, etc. I told them that once they were 18, they could use their good judgement concerning personal info, but not before. This was almost up there with the facts of life chat! If I caught them using personal info, they would be booted off the computer for all purposes but school research, and I would check to make sure they didn't drift off somewhere.

Don't all parents give their child this computer basics chat, and don't parents monitor what their child is doing? And as TIIsuggas mentioned, is there no mod on TSR to catch this stuff?

Guess not.

Unless the poster is NOT a child, and is trying to nab child molesters, or ... no ... that other thought is much, much worse. Thoma$$ should be ashamed of himself if the "underaged" member is NOT a child or law enforcement official.

I've looked through the profiles over there, pages 7030 through 6846.  if anyone wants to start from the oldest, and meet in the middle, we may catch them all.

A few more profile examples of what gets through the PG 13 rating that is advertised at TSR.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofile7.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofileavi7.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofile6.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofileavi6.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofile5.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofileavi5.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofile4.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofile3.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofileavi3.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofile1.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofileavi1.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsrprofile2.jpg)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/tIIsuggas/tsravi2.jpg)

That's insane T2. Can a 9 year old even be a "head cheerleader"?

Fake edit: Those profile pictures....urgh..familyfriendly puh.

Not sure, I'm British, don't know about American customs.  They have little leage, so perhaps they have little league cheerleaders?

 :o The one with the big ass is scary!

Cheerleading starts very early with some of these kids, sadly. I suppose on one hand, it's as good exercise as gymnastics or baseball or whatever, but I  object to the way these little girls are being dressed up like adults, like those beauty pageants. <sigh>

I can understand a little girl PLAYING with her mom's makeup and high heels at home, but when you take it to the level of beauty pageants and the like now a days it makes me sick.

Now, I am not a prude. But I know if a kid pulled me by the sweater and said "Auntie Dee, there's a picture of a woman with a large bum on the internet and I want to know if she's sick, because she's not fat all over, just her butt. And she's hardly wearing any clothes" I would freak out. Because it would be THE most irresponsible thing I could do, leave the kid unattentended on the computer. There is NO WAY IN HELL, I would do that , much let them go to TSR, not only does it have scary ads ("When will you DIE?" is the one currently on loop when I go there), but also because of the documented adult content. And wouldn't a 9 year old be tempted to download BUNTAH!!!!? Must.Not.Let.Her.Touch.My.Harddrive.
Why would they? I don't know, don't kids like crap? And cereal? I mean... for godsake...whenever any kids visit my house. Computer is OFF LIMITS. I have a large selection of kids comics and movies for them instead! By god!

Sorry guys, but your posts made me get a little heated, I had an inkling it wasn't for kiddies... now I am POSITIVE. Kid friendly my left foot!

I agree with you Dee and I wouldn't let any children in my house near TSR either.  I don't ever see the ads because of adblocker on Firefox thank goodness but just from seeing what has been shown on this thread I wouldn't want any kids just casually browsing the site.  It makes me wonder what would be found if you really dug deep at the official site exchange or is that policed better?

Thanks,my knowledge in Cheerleaderdom is fairly limited and based off of crappy movies like Bring It On. The beauty pageant thing scares me, during one of my Forensic Science classes last year we did a whole case study thing on the whole Jon-Benet mess.

I always get anxious when kidlets enter my house. I have these old expensive models in a display case in the living room, and they ALWAYS make a bee-line for the damn things. Somehow they manage to overcome the locks and cover them with disgusting chocolate fingerprints. I need to get around to writing up some forms that people must submit 3 months prior to a visitation.  :D

Oh.My.God.  :o  :o

I just don't know what to say. Family friendly, my uptight prudish ass! They are the worst type of hypocrites. The adult stuff is bad enough, but their pervy kid stuff is utterly repulsive. Maybe we should let EA know that their good buddies seem to be into some nasty stuff. 

What makes it so much worse is that they sell themselves as so wholesome. All the free adult sims sites I know of warn you what they're about.

The BBS does try to keep that stuff out, you can sometimes find it, but they really want to keep their teen rating.

I don't think this was written by a nine-year-old. The grammar and spelling's far too clear and concise, unless it was written for them by a parent (unlikely). Or a paedo.

I agree, I'm thinking its someone trying to lure the kiddies, and if it is...even MORE reason for that sucky shithole to be destroyed, and Thomass to be shanked by some fat guy named Bubba (Poor Bubba).  :(

I dunno, there are a few mistakes in that.  If it's a smart kid, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

Are those porn pics real?  I mean, are they really on TSR? :o  I'd guess they're not illegal in Sweden, but they're wildly inappropriate for a pg-13 site.

That's it, I'm going to contact the one person I'm still in touch with over there and raise hell. I no longer care if I blow my cover.  (We've been on good terms for years). Even if you teach your kids about internet security, and supervise their browsing, you can't watch them every minute.  I have an almost 12 year old who likes to look at TSR, and until now I presumed it was relatively ok.  No more.  This is irresponsible and sick.

You know, even IF Thomass and crew are mostly in parts of Europe that allows this/thinks it's ok for kids, TSR is an INTERNATIONAL site!! They ought to understand there are certain things that are appropriate for kids as far as other countries are concerned and be sensitive to that.

Just because YOUR kids in YOUR country can walk into the candy store and buy porn, DOES NOT mean my child is allowed to!!!

I really do hope TSR reads theses posts, maybe they'll do something about it, before they end up on Dateline (as someone previously suggested).

Now, I am far from prudish. However, if I had children I would not want them finding and downloading the stuff that I've seen here. I know that America has a big stick shoved up its ass when it comes to sexuality, but come on! You can't claim to be child-friendly (or even PG-13) and allow content like that!

They are not misunderstanding cultural differences here. They are promoting themselves as family friendly and they are trying hard to convince everyone that MTS2 is full of inappropriate content. It's all about the hypocrisy.

(http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/150/150288.jpg)
It's see-through. Now really.

http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/clothing/female/teen/everyday/150288/


Anyone but a pedophile or pr0n star would look at T$R and be disgusted with all the adult content and their hypocritical "wholesomeness" appearance. Has anyone sent an email of complaint with the link to this thread?

I can promise you, europeans are not excatly known for beeing very friendly to this kind of stuff for kids, even if Thomass does not care what people are downloading to their sims. It is not common in Europe to allow their children walking into any store buying PORN! I don't even know anyone who would allow them buying Hugh Hefner Barbie bunny dolls!

EDIT:

Yep, that is what it is about. They are hypocrits!

Yes.

I'd also like to back Luna up and say that I live in England and we would not tolerate that kind of stuff for children. In fact if there is even the slightest hint of paedophillia people go completly nuts over it. I think there was a mass panic a few years ago for some reason where a mob of people went after someone who had been named a paedophile and almost killed them so they had to go into hiding and there were some really dumb people who went after paediatricians because the first couple of letters are similar  ::)
I know that in loads of films Europe is portrayed as having fairly loose morals and generally being more explicit than America but it really isn't true. At least not in any of the UK.

In Holland, if your town finds out you're a pedo, you might as well go into witness protection program. Or make funeral arrangements for what's left of you. This is wrong, but it is what happens. In Holland, punishments for raping children are concieved as way too low (1-2 years for raping your 2 daughters for 4 years of the 8 and 10 years they've been alive is not uncommon), so people take matters into their own hands.

Even though nakedness is not a big taboo here (I'm a Scandinavian too), people draw a line between nakedness and porn. Nakedness is more or less normal (we don't freak out if we see naked people, even though usually people are clothed). However, porn is not considered suitable for children, or even teens, for that matter.

IMO, everything in this thread ranges from questionable (Evi's kidwhorewear and the shirts that have text like Porn on them) to downright icky (teen sexy lingerie, the dominatrix outfits). This definitely is not a PG-13 site.

Edit: What the hell is going on with those Baby Bratz?  >:(
Those would not be considered suitable for children here!

well spotted TII, you're a genius and found a lot more than smut, it's sickening. further more what's TSR doing allowing a 9 year old on a supposidly PG13 site, about a game they cannot legally buy at that age? TSR certainly doesn't care where it gets its money, after all paedo's have cash too right?

here's a 14 year old that likes to "do things"  inviting PM's, is this what the TSR PM system should be used for?

(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2483/14yearoldrq1.png)

I would have written at that level at that age, if not better. I wouldn't have posted pictures of myself for the world to see and given my real name.

That's it, any more profiles I find that are questionable, I'm blacking out the name, and let them scroll through over 7000 pages to find them.

The most amazing is the description :o

It makes me wonder if we could do our own Dateline style-sting.  Set up an account and pretend to 13 and see if there are pedophiles there preying on young kids...

(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7815/13yearolddq4.png)

oh god kid.. get your age off your profile. Can someone drop that kid a note and explain to them why it's dangerous to do that?

There's a helluva lot of profiles like that one, or even worse. 

*cough* i really think these 2 profiles are fake, these cannot be kids/young teens profile. it's rather pedo fishing for kids and that's terrifying.

Ow, here's the link of a child's underwear http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/clothing/female/child/undies/674357/
That's really disturbing. Why a kid would need that?
And these:
http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/clothing/female/child/undies/263259/

Dr House is right, this really is an amazing desciption...


The family friendly lesson Gobby is teaching all those impressionable girls foolish enough to venture to TSR: Girls, whether the guy is a creepy old troll (like say, Thomass) or just some random fuck, it's all about your ability to get them hard.

Ok, so this fun little thread has turned into something a bit more disturbing. Honestly, the crossing over into RL, and the talk of pedophilia was making me nervous a bit. I also back up Luna's comments about Europeans 100%. The quote she was referring to was just erroneous.

However, I did happen to stumble across this. Which, I must say, made me go, WHOA.

from Roumito: Sexy Red Lingerie

(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/18898310/317648976.jpg)

Not too bad huh? Until I saw this

(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/18898310/317648969.jpg)

which led to a comment " Very sexy, thanks" from this

(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/18898310/317648971.jpg)

Even cautious as I am, I have to ask, if this girl really is 11, why is she allowed to upload sexy lingerie to a PG13 site, and why has no one over at TSR questioned this particular chain of events. If she's not really 11, it still doesn't matter. Sexy lingerie from a faux 11 yr old? I would think this is still wrong according to their rules. The comment, well that is just flat out ew and should be removed.

tIISuggas.....I'm sorry, I'm not trying to start anything, but.....

I looked at your stuff on MTS2, as per your link there under your siggie...and you seem to have a lot of "pregnant teen" stuff.....kinda seems at odds with your whole take on inappropriate content.....are you protesting young kids and teens being exposed to sex too early here, but promoting/encouraging adults/teens to download pregnant teens for their game?

I'm sorry, but that kinda seems hypocritical to me.....just my opinion. Since we're on the subject.

Oh noe's a pregnant teen mesh, what's the world coming to when teens can get pregnant, baring in mind that 'teens' are not all children, you can legally marry at sixTEEN and legally have sex at sixTEEN, a lot of people marry at the age of eightTEEN or nineTEEN and start families.

The problem with TSR is what they are exposing CHILDREN to, not teen adults, and I'm talking 9 year olds exposed not only to porn, but much worse, paedophiles. TII's teen outfits are for the sims game, the paedophile danger on TSR is real, not a game. if you think the fact someone made a teen mesh cancels out the danger of 100's of 9 - 13 year olds being exposed to paedophiles, you need to seek help.

RoundRobin, what we're protesting is the fact that in spite of it's PG-13 rating, TSR makes no efforts to keep its content for the P3-13 range; in fact, it has multiple instances of content showing up for inappropriate words and ads that are also not appropriate.  MTS2 makes no such claims, but provides a site for more-adult oriented content. 

Yeah, well here in the good ol' US of A, as long as your 18 when you rape, you get 3 years probation and don't have to register as a sex offender.  I know, because 5 years ago my oldest son and daughter were raped at the age of 2 & 3 by their 15 year old cousin.  That's what he got, too.  3 years probation and told "Don't do that again". He is now 19 and lives 7 miles from our home.  I can't even let my kids play outside by themselves for fear that this guy will know where they live or see them again.  See, that's the problem I have with images (even Sim images) of children in satin and lace underwear and shirts that proclaim PUSSY in big ass letters.  It's not just adults that can be pedophiles.  It could be that 13, 14 or 15 year old that TSR is supposedly catering to, that is oggling those images.

I think most of us agree here on what is really disturbing and what is not.
I have semi-nude art for d/l on my site. It's art and not graphic at all. On the other hand, I am not an 11 year old who is posting this stuff and inviting comments and such. Also, I don't post "sexy kid wear" (gag!) and provocative tee shirts on kid-sims.

A pregnant teen. So??? It happens. Haven't we all seen or been that teen? We are sympathetic and understanding. However, a child with "pussy" on an outfit does not evoke sympathy in Sims or r/l....it implies a crime about to happen, a mother who did not check the kid's clothing, and a child about to have her world  ruined. We look upon a pregnant teen with compassion....we look upon a child with a smutty outfit and real rage towards many.

The point is..TSR is allowing this crap. And if it is at TSR, well good golly gee whiz, it must be cool and okay because they are so darned cool and okay, right? Making children sexual toys is not okay...and TSR is dead wrong to allow anything like this and claim they are so sqeaky clean.

Now if they change the name to The Smutty Resource......at least it's honest!

Do these kids have parents? Seriously. I bought the game when I was about 15 and my mom was like "Oh what? Rated teen? Let me check this out."She would probably kill me if she had found out I was doing stuff like that.

RoundRobin, I understand you're saying (hypocrisy in any form sucks), but tIISuggas is not being a hypocrite at all. tIISuggas did not start a paysite and then make claims about it being a family friendly site. Nor did tIISuggas ban links to other sites claiming it was because some of the content on those sites was inappropriate for younger members. TSR, on the other hand, did. And obviously it was NOT because they felt there was inappropriate material (this thread shows clearly that inappropriate material abounds on TSR) but because they wanted to prevent their customers from linking to a very large free site that threatened to cut into their profits.

T2, like the rest of us participating in this thread, is simply pointing out the discrepancies between what TSR claims they are and what they actually are.

I think Redikolous said it better though -  ;)

Did anyone post these? Didn't see them.  :P

(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5431/smuttytsrhr6.jpg)
http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/cmid_201296/sims2/clothing/

Oh my god, sheehaz :o That screams for a rape. And the comment on the second pic is sick. I hate TSR.

whats worrying is that a few pages away was the profile of two 7 year old children (complete with their photos)

(http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8813/charmingmv5.png)

I have to agree that t2suggas meshes aren't a problem.  I'd have no issue with my kids seeing a pregnant teen - which takes a bit of explanation and imagination as to how she got in that state, rather than the rather obvious pictures of sex, and discussion of sex.  Not only that, but t2suggas made no claim about being morally superior and family friendly.  A case *may* have been made if she uploaded to TSR, but she didn't. Plus, she's a (fantabulous) free creator - and not part of our purview.

You might wonder that they have stuff on their site that has inappropriate content in pictures, but what about the text?  I mean, jeez - if we can find it in the space of 3 days of casual searching, what the fuck is the TSR staff being paid to do, for Christ's sake?

Perfect example:

(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1757/kisspicturedc0.jpg)

It's not the download, it's the blurb. Family friendly my arse.

Rant On

IMO seeing a pregnant teen anywere, be it school or in public, makes me not want to have sex. Ever. Pregnancy is the bad end of sex (IMO, cool your jets). Pregnancy instantly de-glamorizes everything I've ever seen or heard about sex. Setting out silk panties (which is a term I hate. I say underwear.) and frilly things for kids to see does more damage than any pregnant teen mesh ever can.

Rant Off

Back on subject, not as smutty but...

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd227/dvnsims/252614.jpg)

Found here (http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/SetID_252613/) by JewelRolls

A lot of her stuff is okay and a few things I'd actually download.  But there is also quite a few whorish things in her wardrobe.

Now this has gone from just smutty to really disturbing. I am totally creeped out. Little kids putting their info out there and pedos responding. Way worse than I could have imagined.

And the pregnant teens are something completely different.  ::) We're talking about hypocrisy here.

Is that a top or a tattoo?

I know I'm a little late on the whole pedophile thing, but I wanted to add something:

In the doll forum I was once on there was this girl, who pretended to be 18 for a while, but was really 10. She was completely unmonitored on the internet. She had a big thing with hentai and yuri, and was listening to stuff that I wouldn't even listen to because it's so gross, and I listen to some pretty nasty stuff. Well anyways, she also was a jerk to everyone on the forum, calling one womans new (boy) BJD a gay girl, because she had no girl for him, and even made up a poorly made, but rude song. This got her banned, and then she proceeded to post on DeviantART, where we flamed her (I'm a bitch, and those people are like my family.) After that, she went to Ebay, bought a doll worth 400 USD, and never paid, calling the (man) seller a "pedophile" for selling such a "nasty doll" to a girl and then "harassing and flirting with her" (I know the guy, he is happily married, and not a pedophile whatsoever.) You know where she is now? On deviantart, making crappy MSN pics of hentai, and being constantly harassed because she basically fucked everyone in the ass. She also ended up (because she left too much info on the net) getting molested by a man who said he was 11, and now is really fucked up. I would NEVER condone anything like that, no matter what child, and What she did (basically ruining her parents credit and developing a porn addiction) could've been avoided if she was monitored on the internet.

What was the result of her pedophile accusation? (I mean, was the man guilty of the "supposed" accusation?)

No, he wasn't. She just wanted to try to get out of paying, which didn't work.

Sadly, I am not surprised, nor do I have any faith in humanity left to lose.  Apallling.

I can be a terrible hypocrite at times.

The question about TSR is the wholesome/squeaky clean image they portray.  The sanctimonious attitude they have.

I was pregnant and had my first child at sixteen.  Teen pregnancy in my part of the UK is an accepted norm.  We can get married, have kids at sixteen, we can even be liable to pay taxes.  We can't buy cigarettes and alcohol at sixteen, we can't even vote at sixteen, but we can be legally responsible for the life of another living person.

With the teen meshes, I noticed a gap in the CC market, so to speak.  People wanted them for stories, they also didn't want to download a certain hack that could make their teens actually pregnant.  I did call the meshes the taboo series, and it was rejected because of the title, I changed it.

As I've stated before, we are teens right up untill just before our 20th birthday. 

I didn't do child pregnant meshes, and never would.  I did something that was an accepted norm, but encouraging adult and child sexual relationships is not something I condone.

see, I don't see that as hypocracy.. I see that as acknowledging reality.

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk51/madfairy77/202697.jpg)

To digress from this painful and controversial theme, I give you this little gem:( It made me puke...What is that supposed to be - a goth prostitute, a man wh*re, WHAT?

Is he smuggling some bowling balls and bowling pins in those pantaloons?


Edit:
While the outfit was semi-cute, albeit cold looking on YA's, I found this a little gross.
(http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/714/714297.jpg)

janna wants you to Bring out your inner dominatrix! Made by request
(http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/86/86202.jpg)

And TII I support your creation of the pregnant teen clothes, it would be handy for creating stories without resorting to killing kittens, and you never claimed to be sweet-n-innocent and safe for the kiddies while blatantly advertising sexualisation of kiddies on your website. The sooner tsr sinks, or some more of the decent artists jump ship, the happier I'll be.

It IS gross. You're not alone in thinking that.
Btw, are those kiddie boobs on her chest? Aawww... I mean, EEW!!  >:(

Oh my god, you're right. I was blinded by the entire outfit that I missed the bewbies! Urrrgh talk about lazy (and disgusting).

I never thought I'd be more disturbed by TSR but then I read this thread.

"For a teen who deserves to live life to the fullest!"
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5863/106077fl7.jpg)
by moiraz86.

Uhm... Ok. I guess we'll all go do some drugs then. No wait - only the teens. Come on now youngsters, live life to the fullest!

i just realized my last post could be misinterpreted.

Pregnant teen meshes made by a free creator are in no way similar to the seriously pedo stuff we are seeing from TSR. Besides that, tIIsuggas isn't banning people for mentioning or linking to another site for inappropriate stuff, while allowing far worse material on their own site.

So tIIsuggas=good, TSR=slimy, pervy hypocrisy

Cool, a goth sex slave outfit. 

I was married and pregnant at 19. Nothing shameful in that. Went to college at 16, too, thanks to the Running Start program.
I did not, however, dress like a prostitute (or have the words "JUICY," "PRINCESS," "DADDY'S LITTLE GIRL," "BITCH," "ANGEL," or "HUG ME" emblazoned on my ass in puffy glitter paint) while whining about other people having (gasp! horror! think of the children!) nipples.

I protest. You forgot the "Pussy" brand ;D

Yes, i was also disturbed by TSR before, now it's even worse. And how great, they're pedoes and introducing some sado/masochism with chains, a little bondage, tatoos and leather too. Not that i have anything against leather and chains in black metal rockbands. I love NOUKS leather.  But when some at TSR is making such clothes, it's dirty and looks like pervo shit. This is adult stuff, no matter what.

Silly Dr, the pussy brand is restricted to children, and glitter coated shirts, not glittery ass tattoos  ;D

Aah! Didn't know. (Now, THAT'S a bit of culture i could have lived without. Do you realize you're traumatizing me ;D?) Althought i don't see why it's not for adults. What's the difference with having 'Bitch' or other stupid thing plastered on your ass? They should make it, really. It's so sexy and romantic... Definetly HOT :P

Is it? Neither myself nor any of my friends have seen it as normal. Accepted but not common if you're talking about those 15-17 year olds. The only one I can think of that I know is some girl from my secondary school got pregnant and dropped out of uni at 18.

I see what you're saying, I've amended my statement.  I'm not getting into the ins and outs of teen pregnancy in this thread. 

On with the smut please.

Oh my God. TSR is absolutely DISGUSTING! To think, young, naive children are posting personal info on their site and not ONE person (Admin, Mod whatever) had the DECENCY to do anything about it. And that 59 year old man sending that comment to an 11 year old girl? WHAT THE FUCK?

Yes, here and at MATY I am called Pedobait. But, as most know, it's a joke between me and Pescado. Everyone knows I'm almost 16 one of the younger members on both sites, so calling me Pedobait isn't a big deal. But these are In Real Life CHILDREN here who are, quite frankly, In Real Life pedobait. What's the world come to? Doesn't ANYBODY care about what happens to these kids?

Uh, no? Then they'd have to hire more staff.

Suppose so. It's not like they don't make a profit for selling pixels or anything...the bastards...

/me walks out of thread, cursing under her breath

Jessmarie, I know you're under 18 but generally, you never act under 18...

Some of these people on the other hand, I suspect will still be acting this "mature" when they're 45..

*sighs*

God I hate humanity sometimes. Stupid internet people stalking little kids...get off my lawn, you damn pedos! >:(

/me shakes fist

Guess who had a shocking day and is in a bad mood? I need something to poke and mock mercilessly! NAO!

you could go for my fallback position? I open up the Don Lothario house and invite all three girlfriends over at once.. :o

And then there's Markus's entertainment.. make bad Carla Niven models.. ;) I think he was telling me the other day he married Thomass off to Ginger Beef to torture him..

Anyone got any other suggestions to cheer Jess Marie up?

oh and for idle amusement, there's always Men's Restroom Ettiquette.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzO1mCAVyMw

Thanks for trying to cheer me up, Saraswati. It's Friday night and I am EXHAUSTED. I have shitloads of assessment to finish by Monday and I could shoot something right about now. I wish it was summer. I'd put up with the heat just to get some free time again...

Haha I'm watching that YouTube clip. I might go YouTubing for a while, then go look up random stuff on Encyclopaedia Dramatica for teh lulz :P

Could every person disgusted by this stuff please pm or email Thomas and the admins?  We already know how they work:  they ultimately respond to pressure. But it has to be pointed and done repeatedly. Even if you make an account only for this purpose,  it's worth it.  It's too easy for them to dismiss complaints from only one or two people.

    I will make an account over there now. We do need to try and stop this, its unbelievable. I cannot imagine any one over there is actually doing anything but counting money with garbage like this up for children to download.

I've already emailed Steve Bonham.  He says he is looking into it.

People don't need accounts there to send emails.

Since this note is getting some attention in the thread, we can't assume the comment is from a pedo can we? It seems a bit harsh to scold someone for not checking an uploader's profile for before downloading/commenting...I rarely do that. Is that an expected norm? I guess it depends on where you think responsibility lies...personally I'd never think TSR would be allowing pre-teens to upload lingerie, and wouldn't have been concerned that I were downloading something inappropriate. Believe me, I'm not defending comments like this being made to children, but I have no proof that mjkoregon knew the uploader was a supposed child. In this case I hold TSR responsible, because I think it's simply an unfortunate comment, not a maniac going after a little kid. I think most of the things in this thread are completely sick and highly hypocritical, but I can't condemn this commenter just yet. I agree with kenmtl, and the rest of you, that the uploads should be better monitored, especially when youngins are allowed to have profiles, upload, etc. Regardless of the fact that people will lie about their age, who they are, and so on, it seems that a PG-13 site's policy shouldn't let anyone under 13 have a personal profile. Actually, I agree more that TSR should simply become a BFBVFS.

edited to add:
I think in my too-early-o'clock posting I have missed that we all have the same point here, yes? The commenter isn't seen as the crux of the problem, it's that it shouldn't be possible for this situation to exist on a "family-friendly" site, because innocent mistake or not, it's f'ed up.

Ok, I promise no more posts until coffee absorption is complete. :P

Most clothes I made for Sims 1 there are rated higher than PG13 :-[.

http://www.thesimsresource.com/artists/The%20T/downloads/sims1/skins/

There are a lot of stuff I wish I can deleted.

I wouldn't worry about Sims 1, T.  It's much less realistic than Sims 2.  Besides, do many kids play it?  I'd assume they'd want the shiny new(er) Sims 2.

The response to my complaint to TSR this time was basically to be blown off.  But I expected that--until a LOT of pressure is applied, they'll do their best to sweep this under the rug.

I don't think they'll respond to the pirates *anyway*. They don't respond to their own members at all - look at how many people are banned over disagreeing with them - their own members protested (select artists among them) the way the survey was worded.

They don't give a shit, and unless it helps them get more money, or stops them losing money, they're not going to do a damn thing. Hence, why TSR has to be destroyed.

Still, I think it's worth keeping the pressure on them.  At least it might force them to go through their own friggin files to see what they've uploaded.  And it might cause a few subscribers to stop, or maybe even some FA's to rethink what they're doing.  Or maybe I'm way too optimistic.

Way too optimistic. :D But, I'm sure that all those mums all over the community would like to know.  :)

I will try to PM or e-mail the admins over there. I still have a free account. I don't give a rip if they ban me. I'd like to supply them with pictorial evidence though, maybe I'll upload everything to image shack, and then send it. I'm quite sure they'll completely dismiss a link to this thread.

I don't expect it to do much good, but we do have to do what we can to fix this.

If they do not listen, what about contacting PTA for, you know, sexual contents for kids.

Will that be too much ?

 I graduated in Politics and was in law school for a few years, but that if all I can think of to solve this issue.

In America, we have Dateline, a national news program that reports stuff like this......maybe someone should let them know? I think they'd be very interested in this....especially since it looks like TSR is trying to hide it.....!!!

Jess Marie do I have to hold you down and repeatedly tickle you til you start laughing or something?  ;)

Well, I reported some of the worst offenders from this thread at TSR. I doubt it will mean anything to them, but I'm glad I did.

Ick...Dateline is just as sleazy as T$R.

'The Smut Resource: exposing your kids since MTS2 stopped doing it!'

LOL- And Nouk wins everything for that statement. -  ;D

Any good company would fill a hole in the market.  :D

1. MinLynn - what you wrote is horribly frightening. I'm sorry that happened to your babies.

2. kenmtl, I agree 100%. :)

3. What the heck is Snarky's sig doing, the Lovecraft?

*ROARS up in car onto jess's lawn, aiming for the pedoes. C'mere, ya little rat bastards. Lemme shove a Goodyear radial up your all's asses!*

  TSR know all about the profiles and the smut, Tom has chosen not to act at this time. It was never about protecting minors, it's always been about obsessivly degrading and outcasting MTS2, TSR would sell playboy to a 5 year old as long as he had the cash to pay for it.

TSR is already selling Playboy-branded C.C. and i guess kids generally use their parent's account (sic).
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2736/playboyvs4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2736/playboyvs4.a56e4d0bd0.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=152&i=playboyvs4.jpg)

And these are the people who don't allow MTS2 links because it's a 'den of flith' and TSR is so 'family-friendly'? ... -snorts- If I start laughing now, I may rupture a lung or my spleen so I'll just call them 'hypocritical bastards' and move on with my post. I'll also include an 'ugh' right now towards the children's clothing and the screenshots of the profiles of members under the age of 13. Wait, shouldn't they be banned? Oh wait, that's common sense and Thomas would rather ban people who dissent and not anything truly important, silly me.

As it is, I'm trying to think of another excuse that they could've made about 'not linking to MTS2' that would sound more plausible for not linking MTS2, but the odd thing is that I can't. This is why they should've just been blunt and said something like: "We don't allow links to the largest free download site for the Sims 2 because we want to keep you as our mindless zombie-slave. Thank you for your monies."

Wait, zombie-slave? Huh, looks like my theory of TSR = Umbrella Corp makes even more sense than before, I knew that browsing TSR and watching/listening to the first Resident Evil movie would have it's lasting effects on my psyche such as the time I was thinking about Atwa becoming something like Nemesis and going after all "ARR" members. . .I'm insane, I know and it's an insult to Nemesis and Umbrella.

I think the people to alert to this are - like Cala pointed out - other simmers. N99 would be a really good place to bring this up (anybody remember the MikeInside thing), but I wouldn't know how to do it, since any linking to PMBD will likely result in a ban.  ???

No, but we can just as easily simply write a post and use some of our examples. That is, if someone has a membership there...

Here's a perfect example to use on another forum.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/t2suggas/tsrprofile1.png)

I've cut the username off, don't want to be giving TSR any help.  Just a clue, it's somewhere in one of the middle pages.

And for good measure.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/t2suggas/tsrprofile8.png)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/t2suggas/tsrprofileavi8.png)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/t2suggas/tsrprofile2.png)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/t2suggas/tsrprofileavi2.png)

Wow TSR is really messed up. These kids parents would be really pissed off if they read this thread.

Ah, hypocrisy, thy name is Thomas.

Holy shit! The bears avi is totally sick >:(
This profile is nut, don't they have a bot browsing the site for word like "rape"?! WTF?!

Ok stating the complete obvious here, but am in semi rant mood..


Well that being the reason for not linking to MTS2 has never been very valid. Thomas did of course know that, and seems very much a grasping on straws moment to say that you can not link to MTS2 because of adult content, but there has never been much weight (wrong word, but hope its understood what I mean) in the argument...until its been revealed how much of a hypocrit he is with his 'family friendly' site filled with adult images and content.

TSR obviously care little for the values that they pretend to have - they could simply have banned users with content/images/ick like that or have it removed, but instead just leave it. They just simply do not care...clearly they just want to claim to have high number of downloads on their site, so let in low quality and adult stuff (and also stuff stolen from other sites and creators...), and want to have a lot of members and thus a seeminly large community, so do not ban the ones with these non family friendly stuff. Unless someone brings it to their attention then it will not change at all. And the most effective way to make them change it, is expose at other sites how hypocritical they are and how not family friendly.

And remember they do use the 'it has adult content on it!' reason for a majority of sites...example, NoukieSims2, which has no adult downloads on it whatsoever. But o the woe if they were to allow links and all their members would go elsewhere, and read about the bad practices of TSR  ::)

picturetrail.com  is disapproving of inappropriate pics.   :P

edited to correct .com

Was it TSR that complained to EA about MTS2's adult content and had the link removed from EA's site for a while?  Even if it wasn't, it would still be hilarious if EA was forced to remove TSR's link until they removed the smut from their family friendly site.

Hey, maybe at the next Fan Appreciation Day they can have strippers introduce Thomass.

Gosh seeing all them profiles kinda makes me scared!

And Snarky, lurvin the avatar!

Moune--I posted the info t N99 without providing a link, asking that anyone interested in seeing proof pm me.  I've gotten exactly one request so far.  Woulld you guys go post in the thread I started, please???  I think the longer the thread is up there with no replies, the less weight it carries.

The thread is in Don't Miss this News (I put it there because it would have been moved there anyway) and my username is middayshadows.

ETA:  Cancel.  It looks like the thread's been removed. >:(

So yaaa, I had a little Picture Trail accident...don't even ask.  Suffice it to say, sometimes I do really stupid things when I'm not paying attention. Moving on.
Everything is now returned, shiny and new, in all it's questionable glory. That's why you'll see that all my posts have been edited. Please accept my apologizes on behalf of my suckiness, and do resume your regularly scheduled programming. Have a nice day.

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N99 is not a good place to attempt a thread like this. The people over there are sheep.
I got banned when I first started posting at SFV when it was an EZBoard...that's been atleast 5 years, I believe...and I'm still banned. By IP none-the-less!
So, yeah. I'm not surprised the sheep removed your thread. I'd have warned you if I'd have read this earlier...lol.
N99 SUCKS! ;D

Ry, I figured it would be deleted sooner or later, and it was up overnight--so maybe some people saw it and took it to heart.

So..back to square one.   Anyone have other ideas of where we can post to make this more widely known?

N99 likes to keep their heads stuck in the sand so, they probably wouldn't be interested in anyone trying to wake them up to the truth.  How about the BBS?  Start a couple of  threads concerning this, that way at least people will be seeing it.  We also have creators here who have their own sites; so if they're willing, have a statement and a link to the thread posted there.

That's not a bad idea.
http://thesims2.ea.com/community/fansites.php?action=reportLinkForm&category_id=1&link_id=5562

Edit: Nevermind. It would work if we were able to link to the inappropriate content.  :-[

I just pm'ed Barb to explain the issue. We'll see what she says.

How about Reflex Forum and Pleasantview Place? Would they be worth contacting?

ETA: And MATY and Insim. If they aren't already talking about it.

Now the thread I started at N99 (in a private "ask a mod" area) asking why my post about TSR has disappeared, has itself disappeared.   :D
     
I was told that PVP won't allow mention of this place.  I don't think I'd bother with them anyway, they have about 4 active members at this point. I have a feeling that Reflex doesn't want to hear about this either.

As for Insim and MATY, good idea, Moune.  Someone else will have to do it, I don't post on either forum.  I don't have a BBS account either. 

Moune, could you also say something at Juniper Sun?

I've signed a ton of Maxoid GBs' relating to this.  I've asked them to read this thread and to remove TSR from the EA site.

Dude, rape is totally family-friendly. Where have you all been? =P

 I thought I have seen it all with the pic of that woman with the big ass, but what Kragey just posted seriously made me go WTH.

All jokes aside, I'm seriously yucked out by this. I've emailed Thomas to just delete any of the stuff that's still present on the site, linking to my site and using my meshes. Doubt he will do it, but for the record. There's a chance I might get my account deleted there because of being annoying or whatever. Why not?

*Pulls up a couple porta-potties so everyone that needs to RAAALLLPHHH can do so without spewing all over the forum, thanks to The Sickos Resourse*

Nothing makes me angrier than paysite asswipes piggybacking free content, then charging money for something they barely did half of the work for.

I remember now, I messaged the team on TSR over a year ago for something that wasn't PG 13 approvable.
It was nowhere near as bad as this (A few kids swearing, bullying each other, some of them did have dirty profile pics, but I was more concerned about the bullying) and I did get a reply from Tug a few days later, saying something would be done.
I really, really hope something will be done about this. Not only are TSR being hypocritical with their PG 13 policy, but it's a danger to kids.
Paedophiles know that TS2 is aimed at kids, so naturally there's gonna be kids on any TS2 related site, but TSR really need to put their foot down.
I find it hard to talk about subjects like this, not only because it's disgusting, but because I know "people" who have been victims of peadophiles (sp?), and it ruins your life, so the sooner TSR act, or someone on here knocks some sense into TSR, or anyone that can help, at least one child can carry on living a happy life.

(Sorry if I seem to be babbling on, it's late here, I'm tired, and I'm just genuinely sad that a "family friendly" site can just let these things happen)

and MTS2, the site they bait is very careful to keep that sort of content well out of the site.

Moune, definetly forget Reflex forums. It's only sugary-coated blinkies thank-you posts and there's not a single thread to pun on anything there. Unless i totally missed it. But anyway, frankly, i don't think they'ld like that. ;D
MTS2 is definetly another no-no.

Beth, a year ago you got an answer that they were going to do something... Apparently they "forgot" to do it. But maybe recontacting them with moar smuttiness with links and screen capture proofs would do it. I don't really believe in it but hey, you never know.

I have no proof something was done, though.
I felt so grossed out by the words that were flying between these kids that I didn't bother going back to the profiles to look!

Urgh, I used to frequent that sucky forum. Unless you were showing pictures of your houses/sims with 400GB of pay-content on it, they ignore you, or direct you to payshit. Also, they're in their own little world, so I don't think contacting them would be that productive.

Yup, can't stand that place too. It's like a huge payfiles catalogue. The snobbiest community around  :-X

Also, weren't they the people encouraging Niven?

I can't think of any forums that are well visited and would accept a thread like this...other than the ones it's already at, that is.
Moune, good luck with Barb. *snort*

I like the WCIF's at Reflex. *nods* it's where I find half my stuff.
And PVP is pretty dead, yeah.

GoS, of course, would be an okay place to post this I'm sure.
The Sims Cave as well...but they're already talking about...Redis brought it over.
I dunno, peeps. Good luck!

Don't know as i tried reading some stuff there but was sick of their mentality :-X But that's higly possible: they encourage any paysite, any lick-my-ass-to-get-in-my-club and have their stupid showcases. But the last time i dared peeking the forum seemed deserted, they must've created a totally closed snob club elsewhere. I think the latest thread still barely active is the 'Your favorite room' or something. No, i won't go there to verify :). Aaaaaaaarg! *vomits*

I'll happily post a link to this at GoS, but I think we have quite a large overlap of members, so most people know about it already.

As for any forums that aren't sychophantic groupwanks ... I'm fresh out of ideas.

Wickednoukfamily forum.

We could take out an ad about this shit on MTS2--or TSR. :D

The first suggestion is actually serious, sort of. I use Firefox so I don't know--do you have to click on it to see the gist of the ad, or does it appear in a banner?

IIRC - as i blocked all TSR's ads - one banner on the top, one on each side and one in the middle of every page. That's already way too much to pretend need any money btw :P

Will somebody clear something up for me? I always thought that InSim and InSimAdult were PMBD friendly. I was lurking around the other day (trying out my account) when came upon a thread were someone was asking for some payshit (I think it was some sexysims animations). Someone harmlessly linked to the booty, and someone else freaked out and asked them to remove the link. So, are we against their policy? What is going on that I'm missing?

BTW: I just got done writing a long-ass paper, so if my wording/spelling is off, be gentle.

I doubt it's PMBD friendly, because they have a crazy-ass FA as a mod.

BBcupAssboy is still a mod there? Anyway, another mod, Cathy, seems to be pro-PMBD. The one freaking out prolly did on their own initiative, but as Insim is all nauseatingly fluffy-sugary-nice, link removal because it offended some idiot's delicate sensibilities wouldn't surprise me.

I don't think the owners ever had a problem with PMDB, as Kathy and many other Insim members post/ed here quite frequently.  I think they discourage booty talk to avoid complaints and attacks from paysite owners.  They didn't allow linkage to here even before BBB became an FA.  Someone with more insight than I please fill in the blanks. :P

FA smut!

Chaz:
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/NonnaKosten/228815.jpg)

Grizzelda:
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/NonnaKosten/1.jpg)
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/NonnaKosten/247383.jpg)

Latex fetish wear for teens...? NOT so PG13 now is it?

Well, Beosboxboy has been cencoring the place since Kathy and Eric left him in charge. I've had comments removed myself. He says it's to avoid friction and it's completely comforming site rules.I've left as a creator a few weeks ago, I think he's absolutely abusing his power to support his own pro paysite agenda, and I don't feel welcome anymore, so no reason to stay. It's kind of obvious, when you delete everything pro- PMBD or even anti-paysite. Comments like "I don't think it's neccecary to ask for money after you've just opnened your site." are being deleted, the reason: you are spamming. He adressed my pm about it with a giant guilt trip (It's because of people like YOU that I'm sick of this community, etc etc, the usual) , and any pm I sent after that was completely ignored, even the one about child porn being posted.
He's very unprofessional and will not deal with things without getting insanely pissed off.

I'm starting to think that leaving BBB in charge was one of the stupidest ideas Kathy and Eric have made. And what is with everyone loving him? I personally think his meshing sucks, and without his right-wing Marvine, his meshes would be worse.

Nouk, that's awful. Ignoring child porn? That's some real modly responsibility being shown there.
If he's so sick of this community why doesn't he leave? Oh wait, then nobody would pay anymore attention to him. And that certainly wouldn't do.

Well it was taken care of, but it took quite long. Others had reported it hours before me. I also told him I heard from a friend that Insim could be endangered because of such posts not being reacted to quickly enough, an answer would have been nice. It just shows that he can't keep his personal issue with me seperate from his job. he put me on ignore for his own convenience.

Well, I've told him I'm sorry for causing him distress or annoyance and I've put it behind me. Kathy and Eric chose him as a mod, and if I don't trust him, I should just GTFO, wich I did. Problem for me is solved.

I wonder what would happen if he was left alone. I think he might stand in one place until he dies.

Gah, that sounds just about par for the course. What a jackass. I've never been an active poster at Insim but I've always gone and checked out the stuff, even if I didn't pay that much attention to the posts. I never really knew there was a censorship issue over there until fairly recently, when I started paying more attention to the conversation, and I was surprised to see that BBB joined the FA's until I started catching on to some of his behavior.


I never got the impression that he was a real douche until after he became an FA, and I started to be a little more alert. It seems like I just wasn't paying enough attention. That's a real shame, because I like some of his work, although I never thought most of it was anything particularly special. I have to agree that Marvine is the real talent behind a lot of it.

I think the fact that I haven't even gone to Insim in recent months, with the exception of the occasional brief visit, really says something about the course of things over there. I'm glad to hear that you left, Nouk, because that kind of tyrannical behavior (with a bad attitude to boot) doesn't deserve creators of your caliber. There are plenty of places where your talent will be appreciated and people won't act like asshats. Well...some people will always act like asshats, but you know what I mean. ;)

Speaking of Kathy and Eric, where are they? Insimenator is not updated for FT - and with that mod and Squinge's mods gone, Insim is just another generic download forum. Oh, and I don't know if it's that insipid attention whore's aka BBB fault by driving out creators like he did with Nouk, but their recent downloads are total shit - either grotesque bodyshapes or Sims with names like  Lord S'soy'ledd Catt'lytter looking like they've been cloned from the same botox vat.

Something must be his fault anyway. He's tawdry like that.

Kathy and Eric are probably tied up in real life, last thing I heard was that their son went off to Irak. I honestly don't think they give a crap about anything Sims 2, and I don't blame them.

FYI
A little birdie told me that Sim Naturals forum could possibly be a place that the non-PG-13 TSR crap would be admitted for discussion. Anyone with the energy to attempt to make this known could check out that place and leave a note. No gaurantee's, tho.

Well, as has been said most of InSim is not exactly pirate friendly at the moment, but I participate in the contest forum which is moderated by Kielen and brendabond, and while there aren't necessarily links to the booty, there's rampant mention of it...and never any naysayers. And if anyone asks what the booty is, PMs are immediately sent out. And it seems like BBB doesn't even monitor that section. So at least one section allows the booty to be mentioned. However, since it's exclusively a contest section, I'm sure they wouldn't allow a link to anything that's been mentioned in this thread.

Someone could start a 'Who can find the smuttiest content on a  PG13 site' contest.

Scurvy Wench, INSIM has never been PMBD friendly..I speak from experience. I got my posts deleted when i participated in their paysitedebate.
This happend too often, and i went nearly nutz over checking my mailbox seeing how many posts were deleted. I was also "accused" for
belonging to PMBD. Since i use a different nick, i just ignored it. This happend when Kathy was there as well. I could never see that she was
for PMBD, since she at one occation mentioned that the Insiminator was worth more than $20USD. Some suggested it to be a payitem. I am not sure
they were serious about it, it could have been a joke. Luckily they never did go that far.

When i mention PMBD, i am referring to the idea behind this site,( not the forum), the idea to destroy paysites. Insim was never really interested in that topic. *shrugs* Fine for me, their forum, but i just left, and i have hardly ever been over there since then. Now i think SimsCave is the best forum for friendly people to gather together, who are against paysites and really preciate both free creators and filesharers. PMBD has decreased to be just a site and a booty for me, where the forum is mainly usefull for FAQS, Shoppinglists and other necessary info.

Now that everyone should know that TSR sux, just go on and post pics to their Hall of Shame. The idea is usefull.

I dunno, I'm pretty sure I found PMBD because of some vague references in several posts over at InSim, which led me to do a little research on my own. I don't know what those posts were so I don't know if they're still there, and I can't speak for all of the mods, but I know that some of them are less militant about it than others. They haven't all been anti-pirate, at least not forever. It does seem to be heading rapidly in that direction, though.  :-\


SimsCave is nice, but since I started posting here I've been less active over there. The people are cool but I like the atmosphere here a little more. Then again, I didn't frequent all of the areas, so I'm sure I missed out on some of the good stuff. I'll probably be back over there soon because I periodically feel a little guilty that I didn't stick around longer, but I'm liking this place enough that I'm more than satisfied for the time being. To each his own, I guess.


Now, that's just ironic.

Sorry, forgot to say "most of the post"  - not all of them. I followed the debate for some years, i found it very interesting and i was very engaged.
Nouk was my hero in this big paysite debate over at S2C, i also remember Calalily, and her arguments. But i have another nick over there.

edited cause of spellingmistakes.



 

I've never had trouble with InSim, technically, although once I got some flack for mentioning that I don't believe in paysites. I didn't even mention PMBD as an entity; rather, I noted the philosophy behind it. Which confused me, because although I haven't been to InSim in a while, I don't recall it being a paysite.

Funny, exactly the same thing happened to me. SuckitBoy told me the same thing, Kathy agreed toward me but it didn't change anything in SuckitBoy's crazy attitude. I rarely go there now, only to get needed mesh for other places recolors or set. That site is totally pro-paysite since he began his reign and that's why their donation drives since then didn't get any of my monnie!!!111!!. I could'lve forked a few bucks each time but i'ld rather die. What a shame. I wasn't banned but frankly i don't give a shit anymore. Let them rot. >:(

At one point in time last year, there was a thread at InSim where the booty was mentioned quite openly and links were easy to find. That's how I found this place. Since then, attitudes really changed over there. It was no longer the fun, playful place to be. I'm good friends with Squinge and was part of the wench/dork tribe of posters which was torn apart when some young person kept baiting and pestering and someone blew up and gave him a set down. Well, he went to Kathy about it and things clamped down like a vise. You couldn't even say the words wench or dork any more. Then came a blow-up between Squinge and Kathy; he decided to strike a path to freedom. I've got lots of information that I can't share, about how things went on, but it ended up that I helped him write an email to get his mods taken down and a farewell post. I'm surprised that I didn't get my ass banned over there when I left my own farewell post and let that information out about my helping him.

I visit now and then, but it's not the same warm welcoming place that it once was. I never had a problem with BBB, we used to be good friends, but something changed. His outlook grew darker and he became morose from things that were going on in his life. I felt hurt when he went to TSR, but it was his decision to make. He made it and while his stuff with Marvine stays free, well you know.... InSim was a home for me for a time, the people were there for me when my dad died and my cat, and those happened only two days apart. Many of the people that once posted there have left for greener places and leave behind a bunch of teens who go kind of wild. Back when I was there, language control was strictly enforced but now it sounds like a high school when there are no teachers around to monitor the playground.

I had posts reported and deleted because I dared to question why Anna Maria Sims needed donation sets because they had just opened. That bothered me. It was a simple question and never answered. There were nights that I was on MSN yapping with BBB and while he knew that I was a pirate, we agreed to disagree and left it at that. And now this. I don't know what to think any more. I just miss the way he used to be, before being an FA, because back then he was a fun person that you could poke and goof around with on the forum. Once upon a time, I knew him as Yakov. Now, he has become only beosboxboy. The loss saddens me, but time and technology only seem to move forward, so I've left it where it belongs, in the embers of the past.

If BBB were to go back to the way he once was, I'd love it. But it's not going to happen. I'm afraid that I see InSim going into the cave of obscurity due to lack of what they are known for. Some of the members that were there back in my day now create for MIKEY!!! over at M&M Needful Things, the Mule being one of them. Funny thing, Neptune Floozy of T$R infamy has some stuff over there, too. While this may be old news to some, it made my jaw drop... She always came off so squeaky clean and here she is posting smut for sims. Wonder if Thomass knows about her double screen life? And considering the smut posted on T$R that's been revealed lately, why would she go to M&M? Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? Only the Shadow knows, and he's not fucking telling!

Yes, with Insim it pretty much depends on which moderator sees it. The sites policy on it is that they are neutral, but Kathy and Eric's own views are rather anti pay, and they have accounts here fyi. Round abouts the only person who will tell you off for posting about PMBD is Beosboxboy, which is more his own personal view on the situation then the sites - and he will remove your post, and give you a warning most often. Which is why its better to PM that kind of stuff (as in WCIFs) rather then post it  ;) As for the whole paysite debate..Insim is just not the place for it, even though there is a thread specifically for it, our kind of views and thoughts are not very accepted. Which is most unfair and unkind, but I do kind of enjoy the lack of it being an issue there. Remember that some time ago, when Kathy was still around, there was a massive, massive thread on PMBD in the general sims2 discussion area and loads of people learned about us from that.So at some point it was allowed to be discussed and linked...but now they've decided to be neutral (nothing wrong with that), but someone very pro pay in power who is abusing his power somewhat.


So it wasn't that Squinge manipulated people, caused mass conflict within the moderating team, was very cruel against one of the moderators which only was realised after her death later that year, and abused his mod powers to protect his 'wenchs' whenever they said something rude to other members and this caused mass tension in the forum, which results on him leaving because of his own dreadful actions ? I understand you are a friend of his so have committement to him, but I mean no offence Paden..thats what I have read, and seen

im sorry to hear about that Paden.
for what its worth, this seems to be a good community.
ive been lurking for a while now, just decided to register so i could comment on the carla niven thread

Sorry to interrupt, but I happened across this profile today. The second picture, specifically, is what bothers me.

http://www.thesimsresource.com/profiles/1896378/ (http://www.thesimsresource.com/profiles/1896378/)

yeah, even though I guess those are bathing suits(?)  it seems a bit... fleshy for the general public to view. 

Ack. Reminds me of my friends Spambook profile, everyone photograph is of her in some kind of swimsuit. The age thing disturbs me, but I guess if someone tried to pull them up on the photograph, you'd get the "OMGz U PEdOw~!!!!!!11111" response, or some shite. :-\

I'm sad about the state of affairs at insim. There are some really good creators there. I love Marvine, Warlokk, BlooM and Gothplage. I just make sure I snag whatever I think I might want as I don't expect the site to survive the next donation drive.  :'(

Kathy and Eric are MIA for whatever reasons. They should turn everything over to someone else and focus on RL. I'm very annoyed by the months old donation plea and the fact that no one can or will update it. I've never enjoyed the community there, but I do love the downloads. I never kept up with the drama,  It's far too volatile and there's too much hurt feewings for my taste.

We're cool, JoFred, no problems between us at all. I never saw that side of him, he'd never been anything but helpful and kind to me. I'm not going to defend what he may or may not have done, that's the past and done with, you know? Have some rum!

I reported that porn thread to Caffeinated Joy and it took forever to come down. I opened it in the first place to tell the poster off, because no matter what, that kind of crap doesn't belong there. I visit now and then, make maybe one post and poke around to see what is going on. I guess I just miss the times that went on before the big crash, really. And I really miss the fun, if profane, friend that BBB once was. I also wish that Kathy and Eric could come back but know that they won't until/unless real life settles down for them. I wish them all the best, no matter what.

I've only ever contributed to one thread over at InSim (my post is on page 4):

http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=42552

Although I've been there since, to look for clothes and objects, the atmosphere has always felt a little strange and somewhat unfriendly, and BeosBoxBoy's moderation seemed to be on par with Burma's military junta's control of the media. It certainly isn't a place where I felt I could make friends... Unlike here!

All forums tend to run in cycles. They start small, they get popular, prominent members appear, there's some sort of crash or drama, many of the old prominent members leave and are replaced by new faces, the forum gets popular again, and some of the prominent remembers return only to find the forum changed, and the cycle repeats in a relatively similar order. Sometimes the cycle stretches over a few months, other times it takes a couple of years. I've been a member of 5 or 6 forums that I actually posted in and became an oldbie in two of them (Voice Acting Alliance, YEEEEARS ago, and Musicals.net, still active), and experienced that sort of cycle in both of them.

It does suck that InSim doesn't quite have the same carefree, playful feeling it once had. I really enjoyed that forum when I first got there.

Me too, Kragey. I hope you're right and that InSim has the chance to redeem itself in the eyes of visitors. As it is now, I'm not a big fan, but if it improves again I will surely go back.

I'm with you word for word on that one, Paden.  I was one of those friendly, if mostly anonymous, posters on Insim and the adult site, that shared a post or two with you when your cat and father passed, among other things.  I was actually rightly pleased to see you here, and see that you had gotten your feistiness back.

I too remember the halcyon days when Insim was a friendly place, although I always have felt more at home on the adult site.  Not for the content, but the atmosphere.  I'm still rather active there, but it's not the same.  Several members and admins gone, a general air of dissatisfaction and a new bunch of peeps who think they own the place.  BTW, you have a happy birthday thread mouldering over at the adult site, Paden. ;D

BBB's health problems have robbed him of whatever little spark he used to possess.  I don't know him well, but like Paden, I've noticed that even his rantings seem to have lost focus.  I just hope there is an upswing  soon, because the mood is getting rather dark.

Not knowing him other than through his posts, it seemed to me that BeosBoxboy could not except the position that anything using a package file format belonged to EA games. I remember a few of his rants on the subject, before he stormed over to TSR, and they always seemed to follow the same line of reasoning; It was his work and NOBODY could tell him what he could and could not do with it. Why then he went to work for a man who uses creators much like a pimp uses whores is beyond me.

That does seem to be one of the greatest mysteries of the whole issue...

Because he's a whore?

I say, to each his own...

Holy cow.. That pedo stuff makes me sick! I knew TSR was bad.. But thats a bit much! I won't be surprised if no one did anything about it (over at TSR) their minds aren't on what matters.. Its whats lining their checkbooks.   :-[

I've never cared all that much for Insim's atmosphere. At best, it was cloying and saccharine, with Kathy herself leading the charge with her infamous bot-style posts of THANKS THIS IS GREAT on everything. At worst, it's just plain incoherent, as the moderation policies are basically completely wild and the moderators basically run amok there with no clear policy or oversight.

After reading all the posting I missed (Damn school!) I can't help but think: Scurvy Wench: Stirer Of Old Shit. Your wounds, I can haz pours salt in thems?
But seriously, thanks everyone for their insights into InSim. I don't know half of what's going on when I'm paying attention, so I have no idea of all this drama from way back. Plus InSim is a place I just never go. There's nothing there that I couldn't find on MTS2, and better made at that.   

Alright, so I am looking for clothes for Goopy, and more importantly a rather fetching hat. And what do I find?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/deelink/The%20Sims%202/129944.jpg)

What gets me... is the description:
" Pink Hurley Dress for that cool teen female sim.....even cool teen male sims need a good lookin cool teen female to hang out with....lol....Enjoy!"

And there are HUNDREDS of these skanky outfits, all with the motto "Now your male sims will like your girl sim, Now your male sim will pay attention and want your female sim"

Uh has anyone told these people they are A.I made of pixels? Have they? They don't WANT anything. Geez.  ::)

Actually, it's the background of the picture that worries me most. Some sort of alien invasion is taking place, and she's just standing there checking her fingernails.

Well, she has to make sure that she looks as "good" as possible in order to gain the admiration of her little pixel boyfriends, right? Who wants to date a girl with bad fingernails and a non-floodfill outfit while simultaneously dealing with the enslavement of the entire human race by bloodthirsty alien overlords? A guy can only take so much. ;)

Um, why is she wearing XXXL pink semi-sheer condoms on her legs, over shoes and socks and stuff?  ???

Safety first!  ;)

But, but, but I like that background! Get rid of the bitch in the foreground and that would make an awesome picture to hang on the wall. Gimme a break, stuff like that sets my imagination to going... I likes it, it's shiny... But the pink condom boot wearing bitch has GOT to go! Yuck! Looks like someone dipped her in Pepto...

For some bizarre reason, I love Pepto. Don't ask, because I can't explain. Seriously, I would down shots of it on a regular basis if it weren't, you know, medicine.

But even I wouldn't want to wear it.

Probably.

This reminds me of how almost every site seems to start off warm, welcoming, community-y... and then descends into the iron fist of Stalinist doom, where everyone is walking on eggshells and watching what they say like a hawk. It's sad, really, especially for those who are left with the memories of "the good ol' days."

Ry at Natural Sims we are PG13, well try to be anyway occasionally a few things slip out that shouldn't  ::)  And yagami does have some rather sexy clothes meshes shall we say  ;)

We are all pro-free, some are pirate friendly others not so.  I think at least 6/7 of us read here daily even if we don't post.  Someone commented in my forum recently and linked to the booty - the link is still there and it really doesn't bother me that it is, if it did I would have removed it.  You certainly wouldn't get shot for mentioning over here, nor banned from there for being an active member here. We do tend to stay out of the politics and shy away from slagging any other sites off purely because we just want to be left in peace to create. We are a new site and don't want to fall out out with others in the community. Our stuff is free and will remain so and we are willing to take in other people who want to create for free.

Earthgoddess and I are both fileshare friendly, ok so most of my meshes suck still but you can include them, butcher them, pretty them up or whatever you want with them.

Hope that answers about us  ;D

That's one thing that's so great about here: with a few exceptions of notable moments (Jan, LL, Suzy), THESE are the good days here. We had some rough times early on.

And no one's got an iron fist of Stalinist doom. :::quickly hides axe:::::

I don't know, I kind of miss the troll-infestation of the first 6 months. We used to get new trolls every week, and they were the funniest kind of trolls: the batshit crazy ones screaming about we were all going to burn in hell for stealing pixels.  ::) They were extremely entertaining... Although I must admit, Jan/Bev/Charlotte/Whoever was the best one of all. Her and HChargeri are clearly the nuttiest nuts in the community. And the LL's teenager army was pretty funny too.  ;D

Nowadays we just get boring trolls, like Sim_Outlaw. He fails at getting his point across, gets cross because we're not listening to him and starts spamming. He was not even entertaining: I screencapped his first 20 posts because I wanted to save the lulz for others, too, but deleted all of them when I realised that he just wasn't very funny.

Edited to fix tags.

YOu do have a point. There was nothing crazier than being cussed at on a weekly basis by some random schmoe.

But in terms of freedom of information, discussion, and opinion, we're in great shape. There are no major thread deletions, no overwhelming glomp attacks (well, except for our utter fangurldom of Aikea and Nouk), and very little in the way of internal drama (comparatively).

*glomps Hecubus*

You get 100 brownie points for making me LOL so hard, I almost peed.

Don't let Pescado see you doin' that! ;)

More smutty stuff!

1000 points if it actually happened........

I agree. I think almost all of the people who post here are enjoyable, and it's a real group effort.  We get the occasional troll who stomps around and name calls, but other than that, it's all good.  The crazy ones are of course the most fun - and also the ones that post pictures/content of Pescado in jail.  ;D

I know I'm derailing slightly off topic, but has anyone been to InSim today? It seems like kathy is back..and there will be some staff changes. I wonder what that means for BBB?

"And last but not least, I do understand from a number of pms that there are some concerns regarding staff, these will be dealt with over this weekend and there will undoubtedly be changes made to the staff. I am currently looking for 2 moderators that will be able to assist with site duties so if you are an active member and mature please private message me." - quoted from the front page.

She's also taking a really strong stance on the pay/free debate (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=82201). NOT.

If they are Switzerland, what does that make us? The Ukraine?

No, way too cold.

This looks nice.

(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/18898310/318380989.jpg)

Noting their previous "neutrality" BBB will do what he likes, continue to be moderator, and the only the anti-pay people will be told off.


Soviet Russia.  :D

In Soviet Russia, mesh buy you!

Pardon me for stirring shit, but I felt it was pretty presumptuous to ask for $500 dollars in donations after 5 month absence and almost no input or interest.  I'm not saying that RL doesn't reach out and kick your ass, but that little post Anna X linked to seems to indicate real life wasn't the only issue. 

no, i totally agree, Vod. They've had that donation drive thing up the whole time anyway. These threats are getting a little old... I mean, people complained back in January when they pulled the same thing... (the be-AWOL-then-suddenly-ask-for-donations thing).  :-\ I definitely can't afford to donate this time. I hope they make it though.

If I may interject: After having a VERY long talk with Kathy today, things will be changing a bit. Mods will not be tromping on anyone and if they are, she will be ripping some new assholes. It's not that she wanted to stay away, it's that she had to stay away for health reasons. She did not leave BBB in charge, he took that upon himself. She just wishes to keep fight and most drama from her site, is that unreasonable? People that don't have a problem with pay sites hang at MATY, are they crucified there? Why should we get on her for wanting neutrality on her site, no matter what her personal views are? It's a free site with downloads for all. Let's not bite the hand that feeds us at times. Since when do we bash free sites? Hmmmm??

And Vod, shoot me a PM because while I don't remember the name you have here, I do seem to find your posting style very familiar.

That's not stirring shit, it's being fair. Don't get me wrong, everyone needs priorities and I understand completely that real life can take it's toll on your online and gaming activities. That said, Kathy has been gone for months and she thinks that she can come back out of the blue and ask for $500 in three days? She'll probably get it, but the part that makes me mad is that she only passingly acknowledges the fact that the Insimenator hasn't been updated for the latest EP, while simultaneously asking for cash. Come on Kathy: I'm not asking you to get on the ground and grovel or something, but you can at least show enough respect to your users to say "Sorry I've been a no-show and haven't kept my work maintained" if you want access their bank accounts. She isn't obligated to apologize because she hasn't actively done anything wrong, but it would only be polite.

Plenty of people have discussed their waning interest in Insim in recent months, not least of all because of the atmosphere created by *ahem* some of the moderators. I genuinely hope that these staff changes she speaks of will have an effect on how business is run over there, but I'm not holding my breath. After all, a declaration of neutrality and the threat of banning anyone who dares discuss the paysite issue is the sort of stance that generally takes it's toll more on the anti-paysite camp than the pro-paysite camp. In my opinion, silence on an issue tends to be interpreted as implicit acceptance of it (although that is not always the case, I know, and she does have every right to maintain the status quo on her site if that is her desire). I understand her desire to avoid "drama" but for god's sake, how much stress can it actually cause her? Maybe it's just me, but I think it would be more stressful to have to pinpoint all the posters who dared to defy me by speaking their mind, and ban them. People saying what they think just doesn't upset me, I guess.

Also, it's "nonetheless" not "none the less," dammit.  ;)

EDIT: Paden, you're completely right. It just irritates me a little, is all...

Not at all, but I scoff at the idea of neutrality.  The paysite debate has been banned there for some time, yet I notice that Greg of Sunsims nasty little download was still okay, and BBB *often* goes off about how useless to the community anyone who posts here is (which I find slightly ironic, seeing as he links to my site for some content that compliments his).

Over a year ago, I had a post deleted by BBB for being about the paysite debate (Jan 2007 is the date on my screenshot) yet Chairman Greg posted his crap in April of the same year.  The reality is that she doesn't want pirates involved, but paysite supporters can say what they like about us and the debate in general.  She's welcome to do that in her site, but it's not neutrality no matter how you look at it.

And - none teh less I spell and write how I wants to. So nur.  :D

I love you, Fuzzy Face....

Bingo.


Oh, write however you wish, darlin', please! I was just in the swing of the whole "getting stuff off my chest" thing.  :-*

 :-* Right back atcha also fuzzy.  :D


Yeah - I got the hint ages ago that "my kind" aren't really welcome there and S2C is where I usually go if I want to help out people with their WCIFs :-\  The only reason I post at all at Insim is to thank the person whose stuff I downloaded, and just recently helped with one WCIF so that annoying "Hi Calalily, looks like you haven't posted in ages, you might want to do something about that" message would go away (as there have been no downloads to thank).


Thank yu will continue to do so none the less.  :D

Real neutrality is honestly letting everyone babble about what they want to, provided they don't degrade into flaming.  This is THE INTERNET.  It is NOT WAR.  There is no need for Switzerland.  That is stupid.  And to be fair, I honestly wonder about anyone who lets drama on the internet get to them.  You can surf away.  You can close your browser.  You can turn your computer off!

The only other option for real neutrality is not mentioning the issue, banning all filesharing site links and banning all paysite links.  That's really the only way to be fair via silence.

And that "fansites must be destroyed" t-shirt is still the stupidest thing I've ever seen.  The post is still the stupidest thing I've ever seen.  ZOMG EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO CHARGE OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE A SITE.  Now, on the scale of importance in terms of playing The Sims 2, which is more important?  Everyone having a website, or everyone having access to game content?  No, fansites shouldn't only be for rich people--the content should only be for rich people.  That makes a hell of a lot of sense.  Holy fuck, the stupid burns.  It's a self-perpetuating circle of anti-logic.  Good god.  It literally hurts my brain to think about it.  I feel brain cells dying.

Seriously, any time I think about looking around InSim, I remember that post by Chairman Greg and I decide it's probably not worth it.

Crap - I hate to spam up the thread, but if you hadn't posted five seconds after me, I wouldn't be, so it's really all *your* fault.  :D

Stupid as well because it wasn't the booty as such that killed the whole thing, it was the fact that Chairman Greg just failed in the world of the paysite as his crap wasn't marketable enough.  He wasn't destroyed by the booty, but rather by the fact that he'd shown the way to start a paysite, and others had better content than him.  His beef should have been with TSR and others - who had better content for sale that wasn't floodfilled. At least at TSR and Glamsim you can have lots of floodfilled crap.  ;D

The Internet. You know what it is.

Serious business.

If Kathy has come back to check Beos' ego, fantastic. It seems he put a good deal of effort in shaping the site to fit his own pro-paysite position. I just reread Bitter Greg's thread and as recent as last month Beos was in there brow beating and editing out the content of some of those who saw the whole mess for what it was; a snide attack on file sharing wrapped in a lame attempt at humor.

I can understand her wish for neutrality - as long as it's true neutrality, and I made a reply to the whole pay/free announcement saying as much. If links to paysites are permissible, so too should links to filesharing sites ...otherwise I will no longer feel comfortable frequenting the site.

Thank god Kathy is back. I totally fled insim when BBB was in control. Only popped in on the mac users forum from time to time, since BBB only gives faulty or bad advice there, and me and hugelunatic seem to be the only ones with real knowledge...

Btw, I am disappointed with you all people, that you keep forgetting GoS when it's talk about posting everywhere else ;) Thank god we have Anna X, that updates us who forget to check in here more than once a week.

Nope - same old "neutrality" as always - from kathy herself:

If it's not a platform to push either agenda, then shouldn't links to pay files be banned as well?  Would only make sense if you want to be truly neutral wouldn't it?  If you allow links to pay files then, in reality, you are pushing for the paysite agenda not being neutral.

I think it depends on whether you're asking people to pay for it or not. I use pay items on my site, but I make no bones about it being freely available. (I am part of the free-stuff-for-everyone school of thought.)

If she's going down that route, then she should use the MTS2 template, whereby even showing pay stuff in your screenshots is a no go. If you can't link to the booty, but everyone is posting pictures of Peggy hair then that isn't neutrality, that's pro paysite, because that's where the sheeple looking for the hair will be directed to.

You guys missed the fun little "warning" on insimadult.


So...no one is allowed to have an opinion anymore or she'll lock the entire forum. (BTW the forum needs more money!)

I tried to hold on to that forum, there's a lot of cool people there. But if it's going to end up tsr like police state that little "You haven't participated" nag can just stay there forever for all I care. I can grab the goodies and ignore the site like whoa.

Yeah, she's free to run her forum any way she likes but i'm free to tell her to go fuck herself in response.

I read that as 'be less stupid' rather than 'stop having opinions'. Kathy doesn't mind some lulzy drama, but some of what was going on there was downright stupid.

That's my hunch, anyway.

I'm quite sure that neutrality will equal pro-paysite. She's not going to ban links to pay content, but will ban links to file-sharing. I do like the content on insim, love the bodyshapes, but the community there is beyond annoying. Now that my opinions aren't welcome, why would I bother?

The long absence only broken by a new desperate plea for donations and threats of bannings doesn't look good. I don't think they're dishonest, but they really don't present a positive image this way.

It's her site and she can run it however she likes, but I think this approach will lead to much more drama and stress for her.

Hence my use of quotation marks around "neutrality" - cause it's a special kind of neutral, a Clayton's neutral - the neutral you have when you're not having a neutral.  :D


Yeah, but she won't - "neutrality" in this case is anti-pirate.


That's not about opinions - that's about a specific drama unrelated to paysites. I read that drama at the time - I dunno if it's still there since she came back - but it was interesting *and* sleazy.

Oh, I see.

Well I didn't know about any sleezy drama going on. Regardless I stand by the statement that it's poor form to say "We need money plz friends" and "Gonna banninate yoooou" in the same statement. I suppose she meant it to come across as the sheriff being back in town, but it really comes off as absurd, and at worst a little nasty. (And if she's really going after the stupid on that forum she's going to need some fire and fishing boots because it's knee deep at this point.)

Also...will someone tell me what the Chairman Greg references are about? I hadn't heard about any recent detours from reality he's taken.

Check out stickies in the Couch section, and this will lead to an understanding. The original thread is still there, buried.  ;)


It's not recent - it's old - but it was the same bullshit under the heading of "neutrality". http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=42552 (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=42552) I got a post removed before that - when they were talking about neutrality - it's only pirates who should be neutral - not paysite promotions.

In regards to my post on the adult site... how about trying to read the garbage that was posted that fueled my disgust? What I posted was rather tame compared to what I was thinking.

And linkage... bottom line I don't care what you guys post in private messages but on the site the links will not be allowed. This is for my own sanity and noone elses. This is one of the reasons why I needed a break, because people don't know when to let it drop. What has been accomplished since this site and others similar have been opened? Not a damn thing. EA hasn't taken any steps towards killing paysites and with their silence they have said they approve. Like them or not they will always be around in one form or another and will continue as long as someone is willing to purchase their product. The fate of the Sims 2 Web section has yet to be determined but things aren't looking very positive for that area and most likely will be removed unless someoe can give a sound reason as to why it shouldn't be.

I know you've been away for a time, but even before that, enough had happened to where you could see what has been accomplished.  Sites have gone to supporting free-content only wholeheartedly.  Take MTS2.  Anything you see on that site now can be had.  Stuff in preview pics, lots uploaded, all of that.  Without even entering the "debate," so to speak.  That's a major accomplishment.  No pay items at all.  So no one has to link to either a paysite or a filesharing site.  There are tons of other sites and users who have just decided to up and boycott anything pay.

I've seen an increase in sanity among the community in general.  There are people like me who, if this place hadn't have sprung up and filesharing was kept SILENT, just would've kept quietly playing a bit on their own and staying away from the insane community on the internet.  Because charging for derivative works, game mods?  To anyone who's been around the internet and gaming?  That's fucking insane, and you don't want to have any part of it.

And I don't want to sound like OMG YOU GUYZ ARE SO LUCKY I'M HERE NOW, but I'm sure I'm not the only one like that.  And I've made content, built lots, write stories, share sims, write tutorials, and I mod thesims2 on livejournal now, which is a big community.

I'll tell you what the environment is like on S2C and among LJ communities, where people can link wherever they want for content and WCIFs.  Now S2C has banned the debate, but the debate hasn't really been BANNED per se among the people I see on LJ.  And you want to know what?  No drama.  The only DRAMA coming from letting people link to file-sharing sites on InSim will be from people like Beos and Chairman Greg, who are terribly illogical, can't tolerate a difference of opinion and/or stand to lose money.

A person who can't tolerate differences of opinion, btw?  Shouldn't be moderating jack shit.

Let people get their shit where they will, link where they will, and that's true neutrality and that's the only thing that will kill the drama.  You might have to invest in a leash for a couple of your mods, or let people go whose emotions get the best of them on petty matters such as this.

But take a look at Aikea Guinea and Gelydh, what all happened when they decided to leave TSR, the great reception they've gotten for being free and opening up their policies, and then you try and say that we haven't accomplished anything.

I won't talk about the adult site, because I haven't read it.  I will talk about your so-called "neutrality."  First of all, as Quinctia pointed out, you could have neutrality.  You could do what MTS2 does, and not allow pay content.  You could do something different and allow people to post links to both paysites and freesites.  You could step up and moderate , so that arguments don't get out of hand.  Instead you decide to be lazy.

Also, everyday we get more and more people registering and posting here.  We've got people who have become aware of the crappy practices Rose, Peggy, and TSR have done against people.  We've got TSR worried about what we'll say and do.  And last of all, EAxis as a business has done nothing against filesharing sites either.  In fact, they're trying to plan TS3 so that paysites won't exist.

Enough! Would you please give the woman some time to get some shit ironed out before you hang her in effigy?! Let her get up to speed before you land on her neck with hob-nailed boots, for Christ's sake! Is she threatening to go pay?! NO! Is she saying that we're a bunch of assholes that have no right to exist?! NO! Is she saying that pirates are not welcome at all?! NO! Is she saying that she's going to take care of the shit that went wrong? YES, she is! Is she gonna tell you why she was away for so long? No, she isn't because it's not our place to know what happened in real life! Are people like mods that stepped out of bounds and tried to take over going to be handed their nether parts for being pricks? YES! Things aren't going to change over night, but Jesus H. Fucking Christ, there are other issues here to be paid attention to other than a site's policies!!!

There are issues like Securom that need to be dealt with! How bout we just leave the trivial things alone for a bit and band together to fight the motherfuckers that are trying to take over our systems with a program that we don't want near us!? There are other things to be fought, like the way these bastards think we're gonna take them fucking up our computers with what is basically malware! Did you know that the new Securom is basically going to tell you what kind of hardware and software you can have for the machine to function? Were you aware that this program is going to reach into all areas of your computer, from the BIOS up?! And that it will also infiltrate your Operating System? Do you want to waste your time and energy on a website that you can now get to freely when there is a game manufacturing company that is trying to play Big Brother straight out of Orwell's 1984?!

Take your outrage and indignation and use it to accomplish something against the motherfuckers that are going to try and control your every action upon your own property! Get passionate with them, instead of someone that has come back after a long time away due to health issues she had no control over. She's trying to set right the mistakes that were made and if you keep hammering at her, the whole site could go to hell and rob creators like Warlokk a home to post their wonderful meshes. I know some of you adore some of the stuff there, do you really want it gone? She is the owner of a FREE site, and I thought we left those alone.

Delphy can take all the time off in the world and when he comes back, people fall all over themselves to welcome him back. Does that work only for him? Kind of silly, if you ask me. That site has done a lot of good and can continue to do so if you just pull back and let her straighten shit out. Did any of you notice that she is a supporter of Simmers Against Securom? If you did, did any of you by chance check it out for yourselves? Maybe you ought to throw your support behind that site and their mission, as well as the mission of this site. E A games has screwed us all and is planning to continue to do it. Why don't we just hand them their balls on a platter instead of tearing down a free site owner before she has even a chance to straighten shit out...

I usually would be inclined to agree with you Paden, but she pretty much just said the same thing Sim_Outlaw said.  "EA has not done anything against paysites, blah blah blah."  I understand how the pay/free debate can be dragging, but still, that doesn't mean ban file-sharing links on the site outright.  Not all paysite owners are bad and have screwed up the community.  I would say that it's people who want to throw filesharers under the rug have helped screw up the community.

And Insim going anti-fileshare is big.  Insim is big, a lot of people are there, and it's important to have a big site be actually neutral.

I'm not trying to make Kathy feel bad, I just want her to know that neutral does not mean anti-fileshare, and that we have done a lot of things.  We've changed community tone.

Yeah, if I hadn't read the drama, I would not have known. Nebulous Threats FTW!  ::)


With her kind of "neutrality", that is loud and clear. 


How about some of us are quite involved with this, and still able to chat about other things.


You're not getting it - she came here, where we were talking about this - we talked about how most of us were going to vote for Inbeatz in the Sim2Cri Finds vote because it allowed links to PMBD; we talked about the acceptance of many freesites to the information on TSR smut in this very thread, and their lack of allowing links to PMBD. Unless you'd like to declare that an attack on freesite owners, same goes for kathy - who posted right here in this very thread. 

Being a freesite owner *does not* entitle you to be worshipped as a God, no matter what you say - unless you'd like to be called out for trying to tell me off - you know, as a God.  We're not attacking her site. I'm saying I haven't felt welcome there in a long time, and this looks to be "brand new site, same as the old site" - and that means I'm *still* not feeling welcome there, and no doubt never will. I'm not going the content, or anything else - I've left all that stuff alone.  I didn't even go to her site and say this - and never have.  I said it here, where it can't be deleted, except by me, and where there won't be a dogpile of people telling me off because I don't agree.

Ultimately, she can and will do what she wants - but I think here on PMBD I should be able to say what I think "neutrality" means on Insim.


Not me.

Well, I agree, it's not neutrality at all.
But at this point in time and with the info I have I don't think she'll feel inclined to favour anyone that tries to pull her jacket. Trust me, she has alot of shit to work out, there's alot of people trying to get her attention, she needs to set alot of things straight because others have left a giant mess.

I am certainly willing to wait until she sorts things out before I go crazy on Insim (I don't think I've gone crazy yet, but *shrug).  I won't bug her about the "neutrality."  I just don't know why she posted what she did here. 

Remember the old days when sharing was a dirty word in the Sims community (and probably the only gaming community where it was)?  Now, in no small part because of PMBD, the pay/free debate is now pretty much out in the open despite some efforts to to sweep it back under the rug. And the only thing EA seems concerned about is convincing the masses that SecuRom is harmless.

Maybe you cannot see the difference this site has made, but I'm pretty certain Thomas's accountant has. Also, since I stopped subscribing to paysites I've been able to donate to several free sites. Yours for instance. There's one small accomplishment for you. -  ;)

First of all, nobody is asking her to explain her absence, at least that I've noticed. She has a real life outside of the game and the community, and I am the last person to begrudge her that. Her health is more important than any game or any group of gamers, no matter how obsessive they may be. ;) Quite frankly, even if she had taken time off just because she wanted to, not because she needed to, that's her right. I'm sure there are plenty of people here who feel the same way.

It's the whole "neutrality" idea that sticks in my craw. As for the whole idea of making pirates unwelcome...well, I think the false claim of neutrality does that on its own. You don't have to be actively pro-paysite/anti-pirate to make an entire segment of the community feel unwelcome. Actions against over-zealous mods like BBB are all well and good, and a great step in the right direction, but allowing links to paysites while not allowing links to file-sharing sites is one of those insidious, silent little actions that make your position clear. As I said before, it's an implicit sort of acceptance, and I don't feel that we should have to let that sort of behavior go unmentioned just because her site is free, and well-loved by many.


There are plenty of people here that are involved in the fight against SecuROM and other indignities perpetrated by EA, who are also reacting less than favorably to Kathy's announcement. We have the right to have opinions regarding more than one issue. And honestly, I'm not all that passionate about the whole InSim thing, but I resent being told that I shouldn't voice my opinions. I'm glad Kathy's back, and I hope that she can get the site back to a more pleasant atmosphere. I wish her all the best, and I don't intend to slam her. I do, however, have every right to say what I think on the whole "neutrality" thing, and I'm not planning on listening to anyone who tells me that I don't, especially since I'm making those comments on a site other than the one in question.

It's true that we do not seek to attack or destroy freesites, because that flies in the face of our entire mission. We do, however, have the right to point out behaviors on freesites that indicate a clear-cut approval of paysites, because they can be as damaging (or even more so) than some of the paysites out there. If she wants to be neutral, then she needs to be truly neutral. I have absolutely no problem with that because it is her right to maintain a sense of calm on her site, and it seems like there are at least a few other people here agree with me. Most of us would hate to see InSim go down. Yes, InSim is free, and no, I have no desire to see it crumble. I won't do anything to facilitate such a process. I will, however, critique the attitudes and behaviors espoused there, whether or not they are free, if I find something objectionable about them. If MTS2 put up a banner tomorrow that said, "Pirates are Criminals," do you really think that everyone here would stay silent, just because MTS2 is free? I seriously doubt that. Most of us would be considerably angrier than when a paysite says the same thing, because there is an associated sense of betrayal.


Well, I applaud her for that. That's a wonderful thing, and a step that all fansites ought to take. But doing something good doesn't excuse the rest of your less savory actions from being observed and discussed by others.


Redi's right. A site as big as InSim is going to have a relatively large impact on the more casual Sims community, including the people who aren't as likely to find their way over here. And if it's not neutral, at least stop pretending to be.

Yeah, I'm also a little tired of the whole idea that we will inherently fail in our goal. Paysites have always been around, and EA seems no closer than they ever have been to taking a stand against them, despite the EULA. But we have made enormous strides in educating the community, making the debate more visible to even casual players, putting a little heat on some of the biggest paysites like TSR, and the list goes on. Perhaps it's true that we will never be ultimately successful in eliminating paysites. But if everyone professes silence on the issue, stops people from discussing the topic openly, and bans links to applicable sites on only one side of the debate...well, that pretty much makes it a self-fullfilling prophecy, does it not?


/golfclap

Ok a couple things I will address briefly..

First off where are you getting we are pro-paysite? I am pro noone. I hate everyone equally last time I checked. Seriously.. some things are being ironed out as I am trying to pick the best approach that makes everyone feel welcome. Not just one side or the other because in all honesty I care nothing about the issue at hand. I have never supported the paysite movement and have been known to bash them many, many times in the past but I do not have the energy or desire to "hate" them any longer. My main issue is drama and my desire to seperate myself from it as much as possible. My life has been filled with enough drama since the passing of someone very dear to me and it forced me to put a lot of things into perspective. Any choices I make have to be ones that leave me as little stress as possible.

Also regarding my timing.. I procrastinate.. it is what I do and I do it quite well. Eric's schedule and my personal problems is the reason why it took him this long to get it updated and quite honestly when he is working 13 hours a day, 6 days a week the last thing I wanted him to do was work on some mod. Call me selfish like that but if he has only one day off I expect him to spend it with me. Now if someone would like to pay his salary for a week, watch our daughters and deal with my needy ass all week then hey please step in and he will have more time to screw with it if not give him a break. He doesn't have the luxary of having that much free time and what little time that he does have he likes to sleep.

Anyways I am back but I won't dare live on the site as I once did. I value my sanity too much for that. The only thing I ask is that people are patient while I continue to figure out wtf went on and give me time to deal with matters as they arise. If anyone has any information that they feel would be beneficial for me to know they can feel free to contact me on the site so that I can deal with it.

I had read that you would be allowing links to paysites, but that any mention of PMBD and associated sites would result in a ban. If this is not accurate, they I will gladly rescind me comments, but if it is the case, then it is an example of false neutrality, and I simply object to the use of the term "neutral." Please, let me know if I have been misinformed, because I would much rather make my decisions based on fact rather than rumor.

And as for not having the energy or desire to keep up the fight, I can certainly respect that. You have every right to cease any behavior that you no longer feel passionate about, especially if RL issues have changed your worldview. I don't entirely appreciate you telling us that our efforts are in vain, however. Don't get me wrong, you have every right to believe that, say that, shout it from the rooftops, whatever. But, some of us are a little sensitive about being told that the pirate movement is ineffective, and some people will undoubtedly respond. I hope our reactions didn't offend you, but we are going to have them.


Maybe others feel differently, as I can't speak for them, but I have absolutely no beef with you for taking time out from the Simming community to deal with whatever you want to deal with. Like I said before, you have to have priorities, and quite frankly, I would understand if you wanted to take a year off to sit in a bubble bath. I know that's not the case, but I really don't care what your motivations are. They are your own. I'm truly sorry if people have given you a hard time about it.


And good luck with that. I sincerely hope that you didn't take anything I said here as a personal attack. I have no problem with you personally, even if I don't entirely agree with your decision to go neutral (or with the use of the term, when I don't see the stance as truly neutral at all). I hope you are able to get things back to a certain degree of sanity on the site with relatively little trouble.

That's where we got anti-paysite.

I won't talk about Insim right now, I'm more wanting to know what you meant by this:


And why you would post that here, where we fight against paysites.

MTS2 has not implemented a neutral policy..it's pro free, anti pay. If Kathy wishes to enforce true neutrality, then it is one that allows links to freesites, paysites, and file sharing sites: that causes conflict and arguments, which is what she does not want..so I see the difficulty in all this.

Even though Paden (and congratulations on your new moderator position at Insim..) has stated it much erm more passionately then I would, I agree with her. But people have their right to ask questions, and naturally they do. I have already spoken to Kathy on msn and so have no more as they've all been answered. I just wish that the site would return to how nice it was to be in before - and of recent times, I, and many others, have been feeling more and more unwelcome...both the main Insim site and InsimAdult have turned nasty whilst she has been gone, I do hope it gets back to being fun again.

And I can totally respect that difficulty. I do however, think it's important to acknowledge this on the site itself rather than claiming neutrality where it only exists half-way.

But, I have no desire to see Insim crash and burn. It's a free site with some good content, and deserves our respect for that. I may not be a fan of the atmosphere, but that is a personal thing. That is why I, like Cala, will not be making any sort of disparaging comments on Insim, but I do not feel that I should have to keep my opinions to myself here.

As I stated above everything isn't set in stone as of yet. Prior to my posting I was already discussing going a certain route and will be finalized by tomorrow night to give everyone on the staff an oppurtunity to give their input. The only reason I posted in this thread is because someone suggested I do so otherwise I wouldn't have seen it.

And no I didn't view it as an attack I'm feeling a little under the weather today so I'm kind of off my game.. not that Im on it any other time.

Jojo... that is my goal. The main site should be an easy enough fix once I get a handle on everything. The adult... that is a whole other ball of wax. I never cared for that site because of the topics so I am not positive what the previous atmosphere was there so they only thing I can do is attempt to weed out the ones I view as trouble makers and ask people to tell me wtf went on.

Kathy, I have a question.

It's not allowed to post links to filesharing-sites. Often in the WCIF forums on insim I see items from Garden of Shadows popping ut. Do we then have to PM them with the link? Does this go for other file-share-friendly sites too, or just the BIG filesharing sites like the booty?

Im not asking to be mean and discussing, just wondering.

Yea I wish you luck with sorting the adult site :/ From what I gather, its gone very bad over there. (to be honest I don't even want to know the rest of the drama that has gone on there..the parts I do know just aren't nice)

As far as the main site goes..I do hope you get it running smoothly again. I do commend some of the moderators who have been managing it and keeping the community going - they've been trying very hard but it had got to the point a couple of months back where basically they needed you back. Am very pleased to see you back :) Very.

With the paysite and free site debate..I understand you not wanting to have it an issue, have known thats your stance on it within the site for a long time.. regardless of your own personal views on it. If you wish to have true neutrality then allow all links though.

And am curious as to the answer to Mi Chii's question as well (*waves to Michelle*). Garden Of Shadows is primarly a download forum, but has file sharing on it. So would we be allowed to link to it or not? I have linked to it previously and have been told not to, so I presume it is allowed

Mii that will be addressed by tomorrow night. Jojo go check mod discussion and then hit me on msn.

Mmm ok..will be on in a couple of minutes

God, I don't know what half the goslings are called on here *pokes the jojoba* Who's you?

Kathy I for one are glad you are back.. and having struggled through dramas myself (but not on that scale) I can understand you wanting your simming home to have more peace and quiet to it. Everyone needs to give Kathy time to get her head around things because from what I'm picking up there's a lot going on, much of it messy. More than I'd want to deal with personally.

Guys, keep in mind, this site is not really under the rug all that much these days..  When you've got simmers freely sharing the link on the BBS it's become part of common knowledge. Most of the active simming community are likely aware of here by now, or know someone who is.. You'd have more to worry about if the site had a tiny bandwidth and the link wasn't being shared informally, everywhere..

Thanks for coming here and explaining a bit Kathy. I do hope you can achieve real neutrality. Now that paden is a mod, I'm encouraged. I hope you will have an open policy on links, allowing both file-sharing and paysite links. You could stop both, but that would be a pain to enforce. It's your site, you need to run it as you see fit.

Eric should not feel that he has to update insiminator, you should not feel that you have to maintain the site either, but when people don't have any information, speculation runs rampant. None of us needed to know your personal business, still don't.

I hope insim keeps going, I love all the content there. More importantly, I hope your life is calming down a bit now.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, guys. I wasn't meaning to come off like a bitch or anything, I hope you can accept my apologies if I did. It's gonna be a trip, two pirate mods against a pro-pay site mod, though. Wish me luck, I may just need it...

You'll do great, Paden. We all know you can hold your own.  ;)

And use this whenever necessary. It will protect you.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/pyropixxy/dramarama.jpg)

Paden, to qoute a song title....

LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR

Ladies & Gentlemen.........LETS GET READY TO RUUMMMMBLLLLLEEEE!

Go for the jugular, pal!

And Kathy, nice to have you back, and um, you might have to hose Insim off once the blood stops flying,lol.

Just a bit of advice, but in the future you might want to keep potentially controversial new policies that haven't been fully decided on in debate in a private section before posting it where the masses can see it, then saying that you are discussing it when people hem & haw. It makes you look like you don't know your own mind, or you're just backing down under pressure.

The paysite issue is a biggie, and coming up with your own stance takes time. How you are going to handle a site full of simmers coming from different backgrounds should take even more time. Give yourself that time to think, discuss, and make the decision about the public policy you would like to endorse before posting multiple revisions with potentially misleading language.


Paden, I think you're reading a lot stronger tone into everyone's messages since Kathy's a friend. Only natural. I don't think anyone's attacking Kathy or trying to bring InSim down.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to attack Kathy, either.  But more pointing out that I think some of the drama of the issue is with a few people currently on the site who can't agree to disagree.  I personally think the best compromise is letting people link to content anywhere it's available.  Including paysites, the booty, the graveyard, some mediafire link a person uploaded things to because you have to prove you're a Korean citizen to access the original forum the content is on, etc.  "I have that file, it's by ____, if you can't find it on their site, let me send it to you!" is just what the CC thing should be about.

Sharing is caring, after all!  And I just think having a laissez-faire attitude about that sort of thing is the best.

Though, I will say this--we're in the TSR Smuttiness thread, and it exists for a reason.  There is a hell of a lot of bad shit going down behind the scenes at TSR, and I think it would be a damn shame if any place that wants to try and keep the members of its community happy and educated would censor any discussion of the sort.  I understand wanting to keep drama and gossip down to a minimum.  But it is a fact that TSR is not particularly kid-safe (no biggie, they just claim to be is the issue), treats its creators like dirt, inserts crappy file-tracking spyware of a sort into its downloads, and...I know you've got at least one person in power over there that makes for one big conflict of interest, and all the downloaders out there honestly deserve to be informed instead of just happily sent there to waste money and get borked files.

Quincita I think the trouble is, it's Kathy's site to run as she likes.. it's not that she's not sympathetic.. but she's tired and we're lucky to have her at all right now.

It's like a soldier metaphor, and it's actually a really apt metaphor in this situation. Very few people stay on the front lines of a fight forever.. they need to go back to the rear area, or go on some leave, have some r and r. The paysite debate is like that. People do get worn out of it and want to back away sometimes but they're going to be much more receptive about coming back and discussing it again if they feel like they're going to get a warm welcome when they come back. ;)

You can say that you don't want to hear the arguments and still be fair to both sides.  Look at S2C.  It can work.  And it breeds a lot less resentment.  You can be appreciative of someone's presence and not have an issue with them personally, and still disagree with their approach and offer suggestions.  However, it's hard to be all rainbows and sunshine to someone who comes storming over here, saying this site hasn't accomplished anything in one sentence, while claiming you want to avoid drama in the next.  That's not avoiding drama, that's actively courting it.

And I think it's seriously excessive to compare a debate on the internet to actually fighting in a war.  Or any debate, for that matter.  It's not impossible to agree to disagree, but when you do that, you have to also agree to live and let live.  If I'm posting on S2C, and someone mentions a paysite, I don't scream about paysites being evil.  I may offer an alternative link, but there's no harm in that.

(Finally, the issues with TSR now go way beyond them charging for content, and it would be terrible for any discussion or criticism as such to be lost in the "paysite debate."  TSR would be kinda sucky and creepy behind the scenes if it were free, let's all be honest here. :P)

That doesn't mean that we say "all done" and stop bothering. PMBD got where it did because many of us *didn't give up* and say okay, fair enough.

I stand by what I said.  I don't see neutrality - no matter who is mod vs. mod.  If it's "welcome to the new site, same as the old site" there is really no place for pirates there at all - just like there wasn't before. I don't expect change, but don't expect me to dance in the streets either.

You can forbid pay/free debate like any other unwanted debate. Moderate it like any other unwanted thing. Then leave people to decide for themselves if they link to freesites, paysites, filesharing sites. That is fair to everyone on the site and not just a group.

Quincita, it's about the fact that people in most cases can't go on forever in the middle of a fight.. and most people don't. Usually they just go fade away from this site and you'll never see them again. But they're not a big siteowner like Kathy. People get tired and want their life to move on.. and it's her site and it's her right.. same as it's Pescado's right to host in Malaysia or that FF siteowner's right to close her site because she's having a tanty. The truth is, most free siteowners are more like Kathy and they keep the topic off their site.. not because they're not sympathetic, they are. It's just they get tired and they don't want to fight anymore.

Cala, I think the key would probably be to give Kathy some time to sort stuff out, then we can talk about it again.. That way she doesn't end up feeling defensive and when she's done sorting out what's going on at Insim, maybe we can discuss it with her again? People usually don't have constructive discussions about this issue when emotions run high.

I never intended to discuss it with her in the first place.  I didn't go to Insim, I came here.  Kathy once asked me in MSN why I help out with the S2C finds, and I told her.  Other than that, I have had no personal contact, and don't intend to pursue her to make my feelings known.  She doesn't want it discussed is clear - and I followed her rules on her site, and have not said one word.

But to dictate what I can say on another forum not run by Kathy? Ludicrous.  I never addressed her personally, I didn't intend for her to read it (seeing as her feelings about the pay vs. free are on the "I don't care - let me show you it" I didn't even think she came here anymore) and I wrote it talking to likeminded people right here, discussing their policy.

She can make the rules at her forum, and I have abided by them to the letter. I've had a couple of posts deleted, and I got my message loud and clear - particularly since the shred that was left was moderated out a couple of months later by a different moderator.  She really can't dictate what I do somewhere that's not at her forum, and nor would I allow her to do that.  I don't pursue her anywhere - she doesn't have to pursue my opinion all over the web either.

I know this isn't the main topic being discussed right now, but I have to disagree with the last sentence here.  TSR's creepiness began the moment Thomas saw it as a cash cow.  Everything else that's gone down there is a result of his yearning for the big bucks and his incompetence as a manager.

About insim, kathy can do what she likes on her own forum. I'll follow her rules there because I love some of the content there. I'll say what I like here though, not to hurt her feelings or give her stress.

BUT, I think we've derailed this thread a lot. There's no comparison with the disgusting hypocrisy and pedo content of TSR and some policy issues at insim we don't agree with. If TSR was free and had the same pedo stuff, I personally would be just as disgusted. We do need to get the word out. Could we start a thread at MATY perhaps? Then we'd be free to link from any forum, even N99.

THANK YOU! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that suspicious. They sure do like to get out their big moochin' bags.

Exactly.  I made my comment here rather than there as an observation, not necessarily for the express purpose of stirring shit.  I stand my my original observation, while simultaneously reserving the right to frequent Insm hassle free.  I don't want to add to anyone's stress.  I like Insim too, but it bothered me, so I said something about it here in a thread that was already discussing it.  However off topic that discussion may be at the moment. ;D


Yeppers, this is true too.  No offense, but Insim is small potatoes compared to some of these egregious examples of TSR violating their own PG-13 terms.  I don't spend a great deal of time at MATY, so my questions is this:  Even though it isn't the "evil pirate site," will anyone take heed of things posted there as Pescado owns that as well?

For some reason, even the nicey-nice sites still allow links to MATY. I think it's because even though they hate Pescado, they can't live without some of his hacks. Also it probably has the best tech help section anywhere.

Sorry to refer to something that is now several pages back, but I got a reply from Barb at N99. Let us just say she doesn't want to have anything to do with the TSR issue. Basically her reasoning is like this: Because it was discovered by pirates who swear and talk dirty and distribute pay content for a computer game for free, she'll rather accept that kids are exposed to pornlike stuff and possibly dangerous adults on TSR than help getting it stopped. Right ...  ::) I'm sure all the TSR parents will appreciate that way of thinking.

Anyway, before doing anything more: Has anyone heard back from the TSR leadership on this issue? Are we sure all the smut is still there? Can somebody post something at MATY?

ETA: Apologies for taking so long in getting back to this. A certain little six week old somebody doesn't always give me time to do more than log on, before I have to run off to put the comforter back in his mouth, change his diaper or give him a cuddle.

Not surprising. It might upset the pay-whores amongst them. And that would be just tragic.

By 'comforter' you mean soother or pacifier, right? Because I immediately thought 'blanket', but can't imagine you shoving a blanket in some poor kid's mouth.

I can...but I have a rather disturbing imagination.  ;D

Thanks for the info about Barb, Moune.   Not long ago there was a thread at N99 about alleged pedo stuff at MikeInside's forum, which is hosted by Delphy. It was allowed to run its course, and was never deleted.  In fact, Barb herself commented in the thread that the lewdness must be stopped. (It's titled "Lewd Conduct on Sims Site", and it's in the forum called "Don't Miss This News,"  should anyone want to read it.)

So when I posted about another site with lewd content, TSR, the post was removed within a few hours and I received no explanation, despite asking for one twice.  Why the discrepancy, Barb?   Hmmmm?? ::)

For some reason Barb doesn't mind trash talking Delphy or Pescado. Gah, choking on the double standard there.

I still think we need to post it at MATY, how about S2C or even the BBS?

Maybe Barb is afraid of Thomass and the Mighty TSR Empire.....or maybe she's his secret bitch??  It does seem odd, that.

I think there is only one thing to say here: Some people are just bitches. Thinking about why they are or if there is something else going on will just drive you crazy. I have to wear an FYI on my clothes because people go crazy wondering why I act the way I do.

FYI: I'm a bitch. You can stop thinking now, you're embarrassing yourself.  :P

 Red, I am so stealing that. It's perfection defined. LOL

Despite being gone a fair chunk of time, I've just finished reading this whole thread, every page of it.

Whether TSR were free or pay, it is irrelevant.  They are basically allowing a potential threat to child safety to go on without consequence.  I'm fairly sure there's a standard over the Interwebz where if you are under 13 years of age, you can't provide personal information (without parental consent?).  If a site discovers someone under that age is posting personal information, it is their duty to remove it, otherwise I'm pretty sure they can be held responsible.

As far as I'm concerned, it's no longer about being "family-friendly", it's about PROTECTING any children that may be members of that site.  I couldn't give a rats ass, in this particular case, if TSR is pretending to be family-friendly or charging thousands of dollars for flood-fill content.  I am way more concerned about the fact that this can be easy-pickings for a paedophile.

I think its ridiculous if sites are not allowing this WARNING to be posted simply because they don't want to"get involved" with the TSR/pay/pirate issue. It has NOTHING to do with that.

In my mind this is likely a legal issue - IIRC, facebook got in trouble for something similar to this: paedophiles could easily message some 12 yr old with a profile.  How is this any different from what TSR is turning a blind eye to?

If you mention how much TSR sucks on Insim you'll have your post "unapproved."

Amen.

I am still surprised with what we came up with here - I thought we'd see some skank clothing, not opportunities for pedophilia AND the site manager's blind eye.

Renegade, would you please send that post to TSR?  I'm sure they have slimy lawyers taking care of their CYA, but maybe it's worth putting more pressure on them.

Moune, was she atleast cordial to you?
She's such a wanker. *stomps feet on Barbs avvie*
She's always been that way....and BTW, lots of TSR creators are members at N99...so...yeah.

GlassCigarette...come sit by me, hun, you're as twisted as I. ;D

I am 99.9% sure this will be killed in exactly one second if I posted it on TSR, and I'd be subsequently IP-banned (not that I really give a shit).  ThomA$$ has already been pm'ed about this by Nouk, anyway, or am I mistaken?  Going to TSR would be like talking to a literal brick wall.

I'm thinking more along the lines of involving EA and/or lawyers.

There was more about it on the news, but I'm too lazy to search more links. This mentions the Facebook/Children issue but doesn't say as much as I heard on the news http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2007-09-26-facebook_N.htm

This link talks about Facebook agreeing to a Child Safety Plan: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7391170.stm

Notice they say it is to "protect kids from online predators and inappropriate content"

TSR may not be a popular social networking site, but I believe they are still required to provide a safe environment from children, including making sure too much information is not revealed.

In another article regarding the dangers of children and MySpace, a man found the work address 16 year old girl, tracked her down, and assaulted her.  So this isn't just a fear of paedophiles contacting or posing as 11 year olds (bad enough, yeah?), it's that they could be tracked down from the info they provide. And TSR is doing nothing to prevent that information from being out there.

It's a game, kids and young teens play it. If TSR wants members to have public profiles (do they need to have age, personality type, fave food, etc??), they need to do every damn thing they can to make sure young kids are not putting themselves in danger, or that an old man isn't posing as a young kid to try and lure them.

Renegade, empty your pm box plx

Oops. Done. Wtf is the limit? 5? I was like 740% over the limit XD I deleted all except two, JUST FOR YOU NOUKIE@! I have space now :)

Edit: Have emptied, but not received pm ??? If all else fails, PM at wnf

Ry - No, I can't say she was. Apparantly she also hates me for something I said last summer in a discussion at Juniper Sun about that N99 thread about MikeInside that DoW mentioned. It seems my crime was to say that I find it a ridiculous and repressive rule that quoting anything said on N99 anywhere outside the forum can get you banned from N99.

Bad Moune! Bad!

Oh Moune, I find the irony hilarious.

You will not call us dictators! You will not say we are totalitarian! Don't you understand that if I can't moderate you on the outside, I'm being forced to JUDGE YOU and Ban you where I.Rule.Absolute. *hiss*

Sorry it probably is nothing like that, but I wanted to share the scenario with all :P

Moune, you are a very very bad girl and I'm afraid I will have to punish you with a cask of rum, cakes, cookies, a comfortable sofa, a nanny to mind your son, and a cabana boy to massage your aching feet. ;)

100% agree!!

They also don't always police the forums as well as they should either.  I remember one girl there not only in the forum mentioned certain landmarks around where she lived, she also had it in her profile.  Now I recognized those landmarks because as it turns out, she lives in the same town as I do...I immediately pm'd her to warn her of the danger of doing that...she has since taken it down, but TSR needs to be doing a better job of protecting children on their site.

Actually, it's exactly like that. It's getting worse because the community all around them is changing and they can't control it.

Renegade, I was thinking along the lines of your sending that post to Thomas, Tug, and Steve in pm's.  I know you'd be banned if you posted it.  I don't know if Nouk has already pm'ed them, but I have, and have gotten a response that tried to justify their doing nothing,  and then blamed ME for a lack of faith in them.  It was a piece of work. ::)  But as I've said many times before, I think they do respond at least a little when pressure is put on them.  It's worth a try.

And Dina, they do police the forum.  For phrases like,  "paysites are illegal" and "why can't we have some GOOD stuff for a change" and "Chaz's latest mesh is the worst piece of junk I've seen."  They don't have time to look for 11 year olds endangering themselves or pedos soliciting them. Let's get our priorities straight! ::)

Actually, a point that may be worth considering, and I am NOT slamming anyone on this forum before you think that.

I have kids, and I have concerns over things like this.
What does concern me is here on the booty, things like xxxsims are available for download with no age restriction on them. I haven't been through all of the booty, but I have seen these.

Would it be possible to put a warning or something like that? I wouldn't let my kids download off the booty, but other parents may not be aware.

It's an issue that has come up before, Millie, but thank you for putting it in a mature and reasonable way. Lots of people just freak out and start calling us names. You know, because we provide pornage to the chilluns or something.

Here's the thing, though: the Booty does not claim to be "family-friendly," while TSR does.

Fair point  ;D

Usually people see what they want on a paysite, then go to the booty.  That's the advice I normally give people anyway, when directing them to download from the booty.

AFAIK indiscriminate downloads aren't the norm.  I'm not saying it doesn't happen though.  I don't imagine people will blindly download things without knowing what they are downloading, or without having an idea of what they want beforehand.

I am speaking from personal experience here.  I expect someone will disagree with what I say.

I don't generally visit adult Sims2 sites, so I never touch adult downloads from the booty.  I don't touch much from the booty generally, but that's a different matter altogether.

Heh! Thanks Hec. Let it be known that I wish to be punished this way every time I commit the crime of speaking my mind honestly and openly.  ;D

Ok wtf does a person have to do to make their text INVISIBLE?!?!  I tried white. Failed.  Gray.  Failed.  This is sad :(

What's the point of having type "invisible"?? It's too small to read, but I guess I'm not sure about the point of posting something no one can read.

If you hit the Quote button on the post with small text, you'll be able to read it clearly.
And as for the use...well, why not? :D

Moune...I didn't figure she would be...lol.
Meh. It's funny that such a large forum, that's been around for so long, can stay blank and oblivious.
Barb should really open her eyes...she's doing her members no service by not allowing talk of anything other than how well someone made something.

I always copy and paste it into the URL bar. ^^ ;D

[spoiler]I use spoiler tags to hide text:P[/spoiler] It doesn't work here, but some websites spoiler block show up in the same colors as the background, making them invisible, other places just have an ugly black block :P

Well, this isn't smut, per se, but I still find it hilariously apropos considering some of the topics discussed in this thread.

Just to be clear, I have nothing against alcohol (if you look really closely, you can see that one of the websites I was viewing was a homebrew site). I also don't think it's necessary to keep all signs of it away from kids, but this still cracked me up. See if you can spot my subtle commentary!

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/pyropixxy/beer.jpg)

Yay, GC, that is subtle (rofl). And hey, you can see Eliza on the left side - actually, that works - you see Eliza on the left, and you need the beer from the right to forget that!lol

Whoa GC, that's a lot of windows! Ever heard of tabbed browsing? :P

Blame my fiance. The open window is mine, obviously, but all but one of the rest are his...and they all have at least 30 open tabs in them. This is actually the fewest open windows we've had in a long time, because he just got back from a week long vacation. He's something of a serial browser, and he never bookmarks anything so it all just sits there until I "accidentally" restart Firefox. ;)

Either I bookmark everything or I leave all my frequently used sites in the URL bar (you know how you can click the arrow and get a drop down thing with all the URLs typed in?) but then I clear my private data and I'm fucked. :D So I try to bookmark frequently used sites.

How smutty of TSR!   ;D

Every time I do my monthly computer cleaning (peruse My Documents, run the compressorizer on Downloads folder, scan through Add/Remove programs to see if there's anything I should uninstall, scan Program Files for leftover bits, CleanUp!, AdAware, virus scan, chkdsk, and defrag) I have to reteach Firefox where to go. It's not too hard; I only go to PMBD, MTS2, MATY, and KOL for the most part. It ticks me off, but it makes my computer go whoosh.

I very rarely clean up my computer/documents/desktop/programs etc because, frankly, I'm lazy :P I also have a massive Bookmarks list, at one stage it almost went to the bottom of the screen.

The key is new folders.  ;D I have 41 folders filled with links in my main browser.  ;D

I used to have about 30 folders, each filled with many random things, until my firefox DELETED ALL OF MY BOOKMARKS. D< I'm still desperately searching for my lost websites via google.

I'm paranoid...I clean out everything and defrag at least once a day, sometimes twice! 8)

Your Bookmarks can have FOLDERS? Awesome! I didn't know that :P

This is the current bookmark list:
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd317/Jess-Gilligan/Pedobaitbookmarklist.jpg)

I've got them organised so I have all the complementary sites next to each other (the Phorum, Booty and SMBD together, MATY and Awesomeland etc) and by favouritism :P MATY FTW!

Yeah.  ;D If you click "Organise Bookmarks" it will come up with a screen and you can folder them all according to category.  I would show you my folder system, but there's a lot of identifying information in there, and I couldn't be bothered blocking it all. :P

There's nothing too special in my Bookmarks folder. Just typical forums and, of course, MySpace. :D What 16yo girl (I'm turning 16 on Monday - go me!) DOESN'T have MySpace bookmarked?

Go you - 2 years or less till Pedobait goes away.  :D

I have lots of stuff - like my staff email address, student addresses, Coolington's addresses, search engine searches, identifying uni information, and some of the things I have, I write the password in the bookmark so I don't forget it.  ;D

Nope. Even when I turn 18 the title stays. Himself said it in #grah a while back.

I mostly use one password for everything (which isn't good) and FurryFox remembers the rest. I generally use the same words and/or numbers in them :D

Anyone want to jump in on this thread and add some links? Looks like I stirred up a TSR troll over at the BBS.
http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?&threadID=28b6c30351f8a8184dd7032443b5b1c9&directoryID=152

The Sims Resource, everyone knows, is PG13.

Technically, so are certain teen movies, but they still cuss and show a lot of boob, which in my Mom's book makes it R-rated.

All artists create for love. Some are paid some are not - painters, sculpters, musicians, actors etc. Perhaps they should create for free, yea?

Did I miss something? Because that sounds contradictory. I write poetry for love, my friend Kes creates fabric paintings for love, my friend Sara draws for love...if somebody pays us to help us continue our craft once in a blue moon, whoopdee doo, but none of us charge per piece. If an artist is charging ridiculous sums of money and they're just in it to earn--not to share their ideas with the world--then they're not artists in my opinion.

TSR is a brilliant website. It is friendly and supportive and welcomes creators of all levels.

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m235/issilliuc/ruSerious.jpg)

Please stop spreading hate and lies. This community is damaged enough without more poison being added.

You really didn't say anything that bad, so what crack is she on?

Wow. This thread will probably haunt me for years to come. Revolting much?

Not that I didn't know that the Shite Resource is bound to be full of epic crap. But I was completely unaware of their paedo-sympathies until now.

I couldn't care less about those fugly fishnet costumes or dominatrix outfits (although I admit that hosting files like that all the while polishing their shiny PG-13 badge is one huge cosmic joke). But their paedo spring collection is truly disturbing. Catering to their audience, I see.

All artists create for love, alright. Love for what - that is the question.

Depends who you're creating for, I guess. Free site creators create for the fans as well as to showcase their abilities. TSR and the rest of the paysite mafia are in it for the money. They see us as an easy source of additional income, suckers waiting to be fleeced, or both.

Excellent first post, by the way. -  ;)

I agree with Snarky.  That's a great first post. :)

So here's a little more grist for the mill.  Yeah, she made them for adult Sims, but honestly...

(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/dietofworms_avatar/w-250h-203-721582.jpg)

Boobs will show after installation anyway.

I don't necessarily want to know what she's hiding behind that strategically placed hair. More shiny! flesh, colorful glass beads and Hello Kitties?

Another needless lesson in human anatomy, and not even pretty while at it.

I just recommend that you don't get too close to that model's enormous belly button. You might fall in. That's certainly not the most appalling part of the image, but it made me giggle anyway.

I'm a-scared of their faces...

Is that a belly button? It all makes sense now.  ;)

I thought somebody had began autopsy on her, then decided halfway through that the permanent damage to the retinas just ain't worth it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/kittielittle/LessGymClothes.jpg)

Teen gym clothes, actually called 'Less Gym Clothes'.  They'd look ok as undies or a bikini I suppose, but it's the description that bothers me slightly:

"Teen Gym Clothes. For the Teen Sim who likes to show a little more skin when there working out." says creator Ballet Babe.

I must say that sports bra doesn't look very supportive.  They'll be down to her knees by the time she's 30!

Eww at the Hello Kitty pants and beads - what the frick?!

ETA this charming little breast- baring number:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/kittielittle/SyprimadonnaFashion.jpg)

Description: "What could go wrong with that?? LOL..whatch out for those bigger breasts. Mesh avaliable from MTS2"

I had a great time reading that thread. Thanks! :)
Can't log on to the BBS and not that I would actually want to...but I'm glad a lot of people are on the pirate's side! Yarr!

Me. My sister is into it, but i'm too lazy boring to get one. 

Ah go on! It'll be fun! You can troll crackwhores MySpace pages. That's what I do when I'm bored :P

Random Smut:

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5671/721989ne6.jpg)

Random name search results:

(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1371/bahlg6.jpg)

I love that the personality 'horny' is a choice at this PG13 site (the profile name 'sexy'). That's just great. Nice job, TSR. *sigh*

Oh URGH... the poor afroed Sim. She does not want to party, in fact, if I peer closer I can see a murderous glint in her eye. And why not? She stepped out of her shower and landed in fluro alien scabby tissue. Thankfully a few stray pieces were able to cover her genitals, but I am sure they are causing her a world of pain. What the fuck was the creator thinking? No seriously, WTF?

When I was an FA there, TSR also have a member with really rude&offensive word in their name like C U N T.

Anyone else see that "sexy" is married, with children? HA-LARYIOUSH!

It looks like the guy behind her is worshipping her arse. Oh Hail Queen of Buttcheeks!

Oh I don't know if its smutty..don't y'all get up on tables, half naked,  and strike a pose? I know I do :P

I know I wouldn't stand under Paris Hilton's ass.  :o

But you should!  In case her chihuahua falls out - think of the chihuahua!

If a chihuahua falls out of her ass, I don't WANNA think about it!!! *gags*

/me roffles

Perhaps he was about to catch Herpes (http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/herpes.html)

O.O
Oh man.
I HAVE THAT IN MY GAME.
*sobs and runs to take it out because it's horrible and Paris Hiltony and way too risqué for any of her sims to actually wear*


(I always wondered why it was in my game. The bra and the crotch of the underwear are transparent. I mean, ew.)

Hey, you can be sexy and married with children LOL. Or at least my husband thinks so  :D

Wouldn't surprise me. Remember the stories/rumors about Richard Gere and the gerbil/hamster ?

Hmm. I guess Simsbaby is referring to the fact that when you're married, even though you're dead sexy, you're not supposed to flaunt it anymore... Or that's how I read it. :)

Isn't that just an urban legend? I've heard the gerbil/hamster story many times, but never attached to Gere.  I just assumed people added the name of their least fave celeb (Paris, Gere, whoever) to the story and spread it around.  ;)

I always heard Gere attached to that legend originally.  Nowadays, the celebs and species change, but the basic premise that skanky celebs keep small animals in their bums for kicks remains the same.  Whee!

Funny how once again, a thread concerning TSR slipped to a strange conversation involving unnameable sexual practices. :P
Not only Carla Niven has the doom power, TSR has it too.

BTW, i heard almost the same thing about George Clooney and his pig (when obviously the pig was alive, lol)
So yes, it really must be some urban legend. :D

PS: is Clooney's pig having died is an urban legend too? Wait, is George Clooney himself is an urban legend?

Clooney had a pig?  What thread are we in...?

*iz lost*

*Hands JFed some rum and caribbean smoke*
Here, this will get you up to speed.....

No, his pig did die at a ripe old age last year some time. It was nearly 30 if I recall correctly.

Thast George Clooney kept a pig in his bum!?! :o

Unlikely, since the pig weighed over 300 lbs. ;)

ROFL I heard the rumor that Clooney loved his pig way too much ::)
Which reminds me of the goat and Gene Wilder in Woody Allen's "All you ever wanted to know about sex but never dared to ask" movie ;D

Yack, i'ld better be stoned. *steals JFed's caribbean smoke* :-[

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2d9bqsw.jpg)

Unless they're going swimming or they've turned 16, I want my child's mid-drift covered...actually, you know what? That's not even the issue. Something about this just strikes me as being a bit too provocative for a toddler.

oh this is just gross ... added  by JustChibi "Pink Pussy Deluxe" why the fuck would they post this on a (supposed) PG-13 site!

I didn't see it so please hit me with a wet noodle if it's been added to the smut list:

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk221/hekkahekkawhat/ScreenShot117.jpg)
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk221/hekkahekkawhat/ScreenShot118.jpg)

& Talk about questionable content... she's got a whole bunch of these:
http://thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/search_pussy/

No way in hell would I buy my teen thong underwear and if she bought it, it would be vanished so fast she'd never have time to blink. Sorry, in my house ass cheeks stay covered when you're in your clothing. The only time they get exposed is when they need to be exposed, not for turning on dirty old men and horny young men. Talk about crack floss.... ugh!

In defense of teenage girls wearing thongs: sometimes when I went to parties and wore pantyhose under a tight dress, it was better to a wear a thong so the underwear didn't bunch.

Aren't ass cheeks covered when you are in clothing anyway?  What kind of clothes do you wear that have open ass cheeks? Paden, you scare me.

Well if you didn't wear such tight clothing you wouldn't need a thong. :P

I just can't figure out what is up with the underwear - whether thong or regular - that doesn't seem to even fit properly. 

Kragey - I completely understand, though more so in my B.C. (before children) years.  ;)

I've seen the Daisy Duke shorts! Had a fat sister try to wear them and ugh! Yuck! That's what I mean by keeping yer cheeks covered, nothing so skimpy in the category of regular wear allowed. Myself, I wear shorts but they're the kind that comes down to mid-thigh cause I don't wanna blind peoples with winter white legs.... The glare, the glare!!!

I usually don't, but on those rare occassions when the LBD comes out, a thong is sometimes a necessity.

CUMMING soon with at TSR:

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/148/happyinthehaylo9.jpg)

Personally, the idea of a roll in the hay is about appealing as sex on the beach - not at all! Sure, they both may sound romantic, but they both leave you way too susceptible to itchy, poky, gritty and otherwise uncomfortable things in all the wrong places!

Oh, I wouldn't mind me a lay in the hay!  ;D  - But then again, I'm an adult; I'm supposed to have sex. You hear me, God!? I can haz sexytime nao plz!!!?!? 13-year olds are not.
I wasn't really sure whether or not the 'Happy in the hay' is smutty, but it's surely not the nice EA blanked-covered version of woohoo. BTW, the sims' position of the third picture is using a sex hack from some other site, isn't it?

Maylin's (http://modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=227342) haystack iis better, looks more like a haystack, and is less not slutty  than unlike Sofal's.

It looks like shredded cardboard (the shitty t$r one, not the Maylin one). I agree though, sex on the beach is frustrating, Sand ends up in places you never want sand to go. Sex should be reserved for normal places, like the kitchen table and behind churches.  ;)

Urgh, sex on the beach is uncomfortable as all hell. And if you want to go somewhere soft with some flowers near by, it hits dusk and the mosquitos are everywhere, and it's just not sexy..
I second the kitchen table. Much better.  :P

No, I think it's just the regular make-out animation.

Even sitting on a beach I get sand in uncomfortable places; I can't imagine what would happen while rolling around and such.

 >:( WHAT THE FUCK???? How long has this kind of shit been going on at TSR? Is TOMass the pedophile?

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/Requip/13yearolddq4.png)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/Requip/14yearoldrq1.png)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/Requip/tsrprofile1.png)

Yak.  That's gross. 

That last one? I worry if that is true - why would anyone want to rape them unless they're twisted to the extreme? *shudder*

   I would just like to add, that my boobs aren't fake either. That does NOT mean I want someone to rape me. What in the hell does one have to do with the other?  ???

You have to wonder if these are the people who write fanfiction stories (or, indeed, any type of story in general) where the main character gets raped and falls in love with her rapist. Some of these people seem to confuse rape with plain sex. They don't understand how traumatising it is for the party being raped.
I bet that member will understand this after someone takes her up on her offer.

What do you want to bet it is really a 50 year old fat guy who does have real breasts?

That is a sucker bet, tomato! Unless, of course, someone here actually believes these profiles are written by confused young girls, at which point you can put your money down right here ;D.

Since when is rape a good thing...

Found more questionable content, but this was after one of those random artists popped up:
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk221/hekkahekkawhat/fugfugfug.jpg)

Check out what I posted in the "ugliest" section, while you're at it.

I think those profiles were posted earlier, but that makes it worse - why aren't they taken down yet?  For the sake of a PG13/Family Friendly rating, the rape one should be taken down, but at the very least those 13 and 14 year-old ones DO need to go. Wtf?  A "sexy" 13 year old and a 14 year old who likes to "do things"...disgusting.   ThomA$$ needs to grow a fucking brain.  Or maybe he can see if Atwat will allow him to take a part of it back...of course, that comes with a price...*shudders*


LBD?? I'm not "down" with the "slang"...yo.

Little Black Dress, according to google. Could be wrong though.

What are those Mandy things supposed to be, underwear, or scary slut paintings?

Believe it or not... walls. Dean Yeagle was/is a pinup/erotic artist, we sometimes get his books in, and shifty guys with goatee's buy them.

That Galloadnre obv hasnt looked at any tutes etc, floodfill must be in for him this season :P

Yuck. Check this out:

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9176/s2ssmutun9.jpg) (http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5918/cloisonnesmutlx1.jpg)

Sims2sisters & Cloisonne. If I remember correctly, both are FAs. The s2s one is refered to as 'Chriko mesh retexture' - I can't help but think WTF has that got to do with those nips showing?  :o

To the dude below: Man, put some clothes on. It's creepy!  :D

Nonna, you don't show your nipples walking down the streets with your slutty gait in your very elegant tshirts (or are these bras)?

Of course I do!  8)
But then, I don't claim to be PG13.  :P

* Laughing at the underwear *

I can only imagine the kind of guy that would actually wear something that.  -

"Alright, babycakes. Just make yourself comfortable on my fuuuuton while I go slip into something more obviously desperate."

lol, and look at his mouth! he has buck teeth! Hahaha Oh how amusing!  :D

I guess LBD stands for "libido"

The third hay pic is not a hack, it's one of the kiss options on the beds.
I have Maylin's haysack bed in my game, don't know where i got it but it looks awesome ingame. Too bad there are no better recolor for the pitchfork so thank you for the link i see there's an invisible pitchfork recolor i'm missing!

S2S's stupid outfits would be perfect for a bordello ;D
Gah! Cloisonne's undies for men is horrid :-X Reminds me one of OpenAssJack's undies *vomits*

Ah, but Cloisonne usually gives us a twofer--her horrible recols on Grizzelda's horrible meshes.  (I don't know specifically about this one, though.)

Is there some way to collect the url's of each one of these smutty pieces of crapola that we've all posted here?  I'd like to present the whole list to those lovely folks at TSR who keep on insisting there's nothing wrong.   ::)  I think no one over there knows what's actually in their data base.

Yea I remember people sayng it about Rishard Gere too. I just found this:
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=1056

I wouldn't say this is smutty, but it definitely belongs in the TSR hall of shame.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/t2suggas/Untitled1.jpg)

It looks like a very good hair for a second hair upload, untill it's looked at closely in SimPE.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/t2suggas/Untitled-4.jpg)

Somebody's uploaded Peggy hair, and passed it off as their own.  Shame on them.

Ew, that Solfal hay-bed looks like they're making out in noodles.

Noodles eh? Hmm, yummy... not!  ;D

I was thinking overgrown larvae... sooo smexy!

A stolen peggy hair, eh? Talk about checked uploads ;D
Let the pay sites steal each others, it's so funny. Somone should PM peggy to warn her *wicked eyes*

Ditto to the one on the very left also, not that it's as noticeable as she's wearing dark colours, but oh dear God it's there.

They're not even particularly fat, either, just a bit hippy.

TSR isn't big on accuracy or sensitivity, really..

Or quality, for that matter. Or tact. Or brains. Or anything that makes us human and not just a steaming pile of primordial ooze, actually.

Oh, fucking hell.

The last thing we need is MOAR borked Peggy hair out there.  That "Taki" person also fails to pull it off nicely - certainly lives up to his name (meant to be "tacky", yes?).  lol...perhaps I should take on a job at T$R? *shoots self*

Re Taki and "his" siren mesh he had a mini-site yesterday now he doesn't and the siren hair is missing from his downloads

someone moved fast :o

yeah, I'm loving how they're "big fat girls". As if being hippy makes them less skinny in the waist.  ::) That set is an insult to women without eating disorders and/or with any sort of curves everywhere.

I can't belive y'all didn't find this little goody

I'm as Liberal as the come, not much surprises me, but even I went WTF when I saw this

this isn't even subliminal messaging, it's down right advertising

 at least put a picture of a cat on it



(http://www.imageposter.com/storage/t103/50175w-218h-250-414125.jpg) (http://www.imageposter.com/uploads/get/420616)

yeah I totally slept in a PJ set that said 'Pussy' on it when I was 12. Didn't know that was back in now.

(hi, my first post. Great stuff. XD)

This one was going on my second fugly contest entry, but I guess I should stick it here, too. it's a pay file.
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg286/pickles_pirate/tsr%20fugly%20contest/snapshot_b55a66fb_f55a7564.jpg)

Crotchless bikini, for all your beach-sex needs.

oops sorry, i had never seen such a thing before, I never knew they existed, please tell me there was at least a picture of a cat on it

explain this to me, I'm confused, what was the whole idea behind it?

LOL I was being sarcastic. But I guess it didn't come out that way. Sorry! XD

whew!!

here it was my first post and I thought I'd done offended somebody

remember the buttons they used to have, (probably still do)  that say I "heart" larry , or steve, whoever your boyfriends name is?

years ago I met a girl who wore a button " I heart Dick", I about fell over laughing, but she knew exactally what she was saying LOL, and her friend had one that said " I heart Peter"

Yup, this one was already nailed. ut a lot of pics disapeared from the thread, being deleted by the image uploading sites for smuttiness. Was this one deleted too? I really don't fell like browsing all the pages :-X I caught a cold 2 days ago and i'm not feeling well at all, so if i see these pics again i'll vomit.

Poor Dr House. I feel for you. But you probably shouldn't be in this thread until you feel better. ;)

All together now.....

http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/sims2/clothing/female/child/everyday/728221/

Eeeeeeeecccchhhh!

I don't see anything particularly smutty about it. Ugly, yes. Smutty, no.

(http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7885/tshittygx3.png)

oh dear. It appears the people at TSR have officially lost their ability to spell.

You don't have to apologize, simstvr. A lot of pics disappeared from that thread, the site that they were posted at removed them from smuttiness ;D

Edit: that's what i though Beth. LOL it happened to me yesterday, i quickly edited my post :D

Oh bleh wrong thread, I had this thread and Ugly Paysite Creations open in diff tabs -.-'.

Ignore the post and think it's on that iother topic [/n00000b]

that alone should give TSR the message, if their preview pics were removed from a photo sharing utility because they were too smutty

I don't know if this has been brought up or not( I only actually READ the first 20 or so pages)I've been thinking about those profiles, this is what some of them could be (I hope)

around where I live,Ohio USA  police go on line and act like kids, to lure pedo's out, they go in chat rooms, and places Pedo's are likely to hang out, act like a little kid wait for someone to start talking to them, they'll say things like " I'm not happy at home, i hate my mom and dad, I wish I could run away, stuff like that,a city near me was one of the first to do it, they've been doing it about 10 years now, they've caught welll over a hundred so far, sometimes they talk to them for over a year, some come from over a 1000 miles away in hopes of getting a young kid, they meet at a hotel, and are greeted by police officers and a set of handcuffs, there's at least 1 a month in the news
not too long ago they caught a guy, when they looked in his car they found a shovel, rope and a burlap bag in the trunk, you know what he had planned
not saying that is what they are, but TSR would be a perfect place to go trolling for pedos

now the whole slutty outfits thing is a completly different story though

Hey guys, just something you might want to keep in mind when quoting someone that has posted a picture: cut out the image tags or the image is repeated again. It's not needed and it's a real bitch for those of them on dial-up because it takes their page just that much longer to load. It also helps to conserve a bit of space on the server and I'm all for that!

Oh yeah, it's hell for those of us on dial up. Sometimes it's so slow I have to disconnect and then redial because I think somebody might have called.

They're remote loaded, so they don't do anything to the server, and, if it's within the same page, it doesn't get reloaded.  Actually, if you have a cache set on your browser, it shouldn't even reload again between pages.

However, it does get tiring scrolling past things... XP

I don't mind people quoting images if the image is from a previous page.  I mean, I can't be the only one who's too lazy to go back a page or thirty just to see what someone is talking about.  :P

Since i'm lazy as Ensign, picture quoting can be helpful but only under two conditions: if the quoting pic is in the same page as the original posted pic then it's a 'don't want' and the quoter will look like a dork. And if there's more than one pics, only keep one for god's sake. But i can imagine that on dial it must be a real pain, so i rarely quote a pic. That is called "living in society", meh

Not smutty content, but dont think this really fits in with being family friendly...

http://i25.tinypic.com/2dr53yx.jpg

:|

People complain about that sometimes, and then they say it is the people using their computer to go to shady places that causes the more risque ads to be there.  That they totally didn't do it.  It's you and your porn addiction.  Or, well, that's not on the site, you have to leave to go to that site, and well, that picture isn't that bad...  ::)

i'm curious...are you saying that you will only see porn ads on TSR if you do go to porn sites at other times, due to the cookies and such? Hmmm...that is interesting, if true.  I never saw porn ads on TSR, I didn't know they even had them!! VERRRY interesting.  :)

If its true, then it means that apparently I've got some very nasty cookies and don't how I've got them =| I blame TSR (and Pescado, ofc)

I keep getting the damn "New Business Class" crap from Air New Zealand clogging up and overflowing on the adspaces on TSR for me *shrug*. I just find it amusing that it's always the same overpriced business class crap on tsr.

No TSR porn for me  :-[ (Unless you count the visual rape from the crappy items).

You guys really need Adblock.. :o

Opera FTW!! I blocked them once and tadam, nothing left. Too bad. Apparently i'm missing something :-\ *goes to unblock TSR's ads*

Adblock rocks!!  I never see any adds on TSR (and from the looks of it, I'm glad!).  Now, if I could just figure out how to stop the big one that pops up at a certain site that I won't name cuz it's a free site, but the add is already on their website, so why do I need a bigger one that pops up and has to be closed or waited out.  I don't like popups!

I don't think I'll ever download AdBlock, just because some of the advertisements are so amusing. ESPECIALLY on TSR...although if I had children, then yeah, I'd download that in a heartbeat. XD

I guess what gets me about it is, they say that a cookie is going to make you see that type of ad at their page.  (Yes, that's what I meant before.) But what I can't figure out is if that's the case, they still have the ad space set up to put Whatever up, and not selling to a specific type of ad agency, for a specific level of ad, like they claim they do.

I just found this one completely by accident when I was doing up my Miss TSR Booty entry. Take a good look at the nether regions.

(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3982/isthatwhatithinkitisut7.jpg)

My first thought was non-Barbie skintone, but when I tried the outfit with a Maxis skintone I got the same thing. So I shut the game down and booted up Bodyshop and what do you think I found?

(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3315/thatiswhatithinkitisqa9.jpg)

That's disturbing on so many levels!

(The outfit's by Maaak, by the way, who's one of their FA's.)

Oh gosh :o

What...the...?
Aw gawd... that's just...*shields eyes*
That's one ugly as all hell swimwear, it screams tacky and is incredibly offensive. Not because it HAS what it has... but because it overrides the chosen skin. What if you don't want poon? Hmm?

Evil Dictator Poon FA.
You totally FAIL Maak.

Fixed it for you.

Wow, fallen_angel, you really found a winner there.  The pic in bodyshop....ummmm....I'm speechless.

 :o I don't even know how to respond to that.  ??? nasty!?

Totally - that thing has gleet.  :o

Ohhh.....now that's just.....Super-FUG!!!

And the model looks like the Bride of Frankenstien having an orgasm.  I don't think Eye Bleach will EVER wipe this one out.

Yeah, sorry about the model. She's... special. I just didn't feel like going back into the game to take an identical shot of this with a different Sim.

Oh, well, then, if it's YOUR model, than that can be excused. But, the suit is just......Phail to the maxoid.

Epic fail. Maaak has clearly never actually seen poon before.  :-\

The point is, why the hell would anyone draw a poon on a lingerie?! :o

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg63/MadameHecubus/KITHcroes/slutty.jpg)

Maybe it's kind of like those t-shirts that have the print of the sexy body in the bikini or the really muscular six-pack abs on them:

(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e284/mheyin/bikini.jpg)


And long live KitH!!

  That was horrible! My husband looked over and asked why I was looking at "Sims porn"!  :o  Not cool, at all.

Hecubus your macro is WIN! ;D

This goes for the last two fashion disasters.

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/erica_jean698/funny-pictures-pants-more-often.jpg)

Because the entire thing is meant to be transparent, but instead of actually, you know, making it transparent they figured that "Hey, some poor people out there might not have anatomically correct skins with nasty poons on them, we better make sure they still get to suffer enjoy the nastyness of it all!"

hmmm...so what happens if you actually do have anatomically correct skins....double poon?  ::)

Poon overlay with gleet.  :o

I thought falln_angel's trashy TSR enhanced sim deserved to be a cover girl.

(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2764/simpie001aoh1.png)

ROTFLMAO!  I love it, Snarky!

OMG! That is just sooo good!  Snarky you are full of win!

The anatomy prof asks, "what is gleet?"

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861675550

The family-friendliness of TSR taken to a new level.

I love the cover, Snarky. :D

I'm on a horrible connection and can't get that link to load--but I too would like to know about this "gleet."

ewwww. 

Copied and pasted and I feel so, so dirty:

gleet [ gleet ]


noun
Definition:
 
1. inflammation of urethra: inflammation of the urethra, accompanied by a discharge of pus and mucus, and characteristic of a late stage in the development of gonorrhea

2. discharge of pus: a discharge of pus and mucus in a late stage of gonorrhea

[14th century. < Old French glette "slime" < Latin glittus "sticky"]

Eeeeeewwww  :'(. Breakfast has been delayed indefinitely, as of now :P

Poons explosion. It splashes everywhere... Nasty.

Yay for that cover Snarky! ;D

I don't know that the thing is drawn on, looks like it might be a bad photoskin to me, honestly.

On one hand, it means the creator didn't take the time to draw poon...on the other hand, the thought of the search for a source pic for that...ugh.

Dammit, Tomato.  I didn't ask that question, and resisted googling temptation, because I really didn't want to know what gleet was, because I knew it would be bad.

And you asked.  And someone googled.  And it was bad.

Why you do that?!   :'(

(I was so hoping it was a made-up word!  :D)

Mwhahahahaha! Increasing your vocabulary one gross word at a time.  :D

For information sakes, and to gross you all out further without pulling out the armpit vagina macro, gleet is how you catch things from toilet seats. Gleet can be left on toilet seats, and you can then pick it up (and now you'll all never sit down again  :D )

Never sit on the toilet again???  Damn woman I'm never going to use a public toilet again  ;D (Alexia gets a burst bladder due to too much information received at PMBD)

Calalily - responsible for people wetting themselves the world over.  :D

 ;D Cala taking over the world, one wet country at a time!! Seriously though three months ago when I was rather heavily pregnant I must have used just about every public facility in my home town... I feel like bathing in bleach now  :o

Oh...oh grossgrossgross...thank you, for that, Lily. I will never be free.
*goes to look for some brainbleach*

<offtopic>

I'm sorry, but it has to be said.  :-\  No offence to you, Alexia, but are you aware that your name is a mental illness, as pretty as it is?  ???  Sorry. I'll go back into hiding. I'm...well, slightly (read:a lot) more of a name nerd than I should be... 

/me runs away quickly.

</offtopic>

Tchan did you have some red cordial today?

heh

I hate using public toilets, I had to use one today and let's just say that the person in the next cubicle to me, was not using the toilet in the way it was intended. Gross.
I ran out of there sooooo fast...

Red cordial? Wha?
(Do you mean wine? In which case, no...)

Omigoddess, I do NOT want to know...I would have run out, too! GROSS. REALLY, REALLY GROSS.
I mean, c'mon, not in public toilets, please...

 nd I was just about to eat breakfat....  :'(

PMBD, the site that makes you thinner ;D by not eating.

I wanna shove a pistol up my head for that sorry excuse for an ad...no amount of photoshop will save this image's sorry ass.

Snarky, I love the cover!! (Late to the party, I know. Couldn't get online last night.) I want to print it up and hang it on my wall... but don't want to deal with having to explain the Sim-porn, so I guess I'll just save it to my documents folder where I can enjoy it in private.

I am so, so sorry I asked. ;D

girls don't sit........  they    _hover_

I'm thinking at some point we'll have to collect the top 3/5/10/whatever top smut items and send them to Mr. Ass.
I'm thinking the painted-on clit will be in the top whatever.
I'm thinking I should stop reading this thread, too.

That's fantastic, Snarky. I haven't been around lately, so it's a joy to come back to something that awful. Or wonderful. Or awful. Or...

Ha, you know what I mean.

***gags***
Okay, the topic is about smut...but whoa.....
My breakfast is deciding its fate right now.


Needs the bleach!

I am seriously going to do that as soon as I get home and back to my desktop computer.  It's been on my agenda for awhile, but I'm glad I waited so the latest atrocity could be featured. >:(

OT:  Except I don't know when I'm going to get home.  My husband, son, and I are sitting in a cabin in the far north.  It's rained every day since Saturday.  Temperatures are in the 50's, and this bloody cabin has NO HEAT.  I've been begging to leave since Sunday.  Husband refuses to leave.  If you don't hear from me by the weekend, assume I'm frozen stiff and please send a rescue party.

WIN! This made me laugh for real. My mom always told me to never sit on public toilets, and thanks to Cala, I now have even more reason not to! Don't make me barf my coffee! Dammit, Cala, and I wanted to plant you in my back yard :'(

Ok, thanks to this thread, my lovely breakfast of Pop-Tarts is going to be put in a baggie for when I don't feel like hurling. I already hated T$R on general principles, and then because they won't take stuff down, but good GOD, this is almost enough to make me wish they were in the same country as I am  so that I could report their collective ass to any of the organizations I know of that deal with this sort of shit.
-mai paranoia, let me show u it - took 5 minutes to get this post grammatically correct without revealing my home country-


Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go barf on somebody's shoes now. (http://emoticons4u.com/obscene/eck32.gif)

A lot of the time it seems like I end up in the stall with the broken lock, so I end up having to hover while keeping the door shut.

It's a good work-out, I suppose.  Work on your squats.  :P

I do okay with that in really tiny stalls - you know, the ones where the door nearly touched the bowl when you open it, and you have to kind of straddle the toilet to get the door closed again once your inside. In those cases I just lean forward a bit more and hold it closed with my hand. It's when the stalls are faily long that I have problems. I always end up feeling like some circus act (The Incredible Peeing Woman) as I do a kind of lop-sided squat on one leg and try to hold the door closed with my other foot while bracing my elbow on the toilet paper dispenser. Good times! Actually, in those cases I usually give up and cover the seat with about seventeen layers of toilet paper and just hope for the best.

*sigh* Sometimes I wish we women had the required plumbing to use urinals. *sigh*

Heh, this might be TMI, but what the hell: When we go hiking or camping, my roommate and I carry these...er, devices here: http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___80976 (http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___80976) It's basically a penis for women so that you can pee in the wilderness without pulling your pants down and squatting. Almost as good as being as a man. I'm thinking I might start carrying mine around all the time when I might need to use a public toilet... It'd be better than Toilet Stall Yoga. :)

Just remember:  Don't shake your "Lady J" more than 3 times (or is it 2?), cuz then your just playing with it! ;D

Oh, I saw something like that on MATY.  I'll go look for the link.  :P

Fake edit:

Link to MATY discussion in Retardo Land:
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,10824.0.html

Link to site regarding accessory for urination:
http://www.femalefreedom.ca/

Quote:
"Pmates give women the freedom to discreetly pee standing up
[...]
The P-Mate gives women the freedom to pee like men. "

I daresay we all need something like these.  :P

That's hilarious. ;D

There's something really wrong about that. Other than peeing in the wilderness, why would you need that? Squat women, squat! You want thighs of steel? SQUAT!

Lol, it's good exercise, peeing in public places.

I don't like this hovering thing. That's how pee gets on the public toilets in the first place. I either avoid the public ones (I have a freakishly huge bladder, medically verified) or I use covers. I carry a couple with me.

I have a bad knee from blowing it out skiing, alas. Squats are not my friend. :) Which is why I usually just use the Zazazu Method and wait until I get home. :) Big bladders FTW!

Amen.  That's NASTY, leaving your sprinkles when you tinkles!

We need armrest support type things and a higher, narrower bowl...I'm gonna stop thinking about this now.   :-\

I've tried those paper cover things. At my job a couple years ago, I trusted the toilets enough to use those and be satisfied. And at my college. But only in one bathroom. Most of the time, I'll just take half a role of tissue and put that on the toilet seat, of course putting a protector on top of that. But I've learned that if you hover the -right- way, you usually don't sprinkle when you tinkle. And if you do, you need to wipe that mess up. Although, I'll have to say I'd take the sprinkles over a log in the bowl any day.

Cellgirl, I understand about having busted knees. I've got arthritis in my knees, and on a bad day I wouldn't really want to do that. On the upside, I was more or less able to predict rain for about a month. Now, me and my weather-predicting arthritis knees are getting a little rusty. Unless this crazy weather's been throwing us off.

Plant your calalily gleet flower.  :D  Anyway, why haven't you all found out about this before?  You can haz sex education too - I made it a point to find out what all sexually transmitted diseases look like and what they do to you.  Lots of interesting stuff - like that some STDs can put a curve or a kink in a man's penis.

You could always practice your squats on a Japanese toilet. The real secret why they aren't so fat! XD

http://www.gifu-cwc.ac.jp/gakka/kokusai/japanese_culture/pictures/toliet.jpg

Ahaa Turkish toilets! That's real sports, it's should be an olympic game ;D

When my sister went to Japan with our school, they went to stay with host families.. Hers was the only one with an old style toilet, lol! The rest all had heated up seats and crap.

Okay, instead of armrests - bungie cords!  Like in Thunderdome.

C'mon guys, your epidermis is your body's greatest protection against germs and that.  Unless you have a habit of rubbing your orifaces on the seat, or you've got open sores on the skin that would touch the seat, nothing's going to hurt you.  Stop being paranoid and STOP PEEING ON THE GODDAMN SEAT, JESUS CHRIST JUST SIT DOWN.

...that started out in Biology teacher mode and ended with rage, I'm sorry.  XD

Yes, please sit down and if you happen to pee on the seat by accident, wipe it off!  Also, flush.  Kthxbai.

 :D MOAR RAGE! I always sit down.  But I inspect the toilet seat first for gleet, pee etc. There are no covers in Australia - they probably sell them but I don't know where - you'd have to search far and wide. 

I've used those many times. They take some practice with pants. I was using one once in a tabac when the light went out. I was stuck there in the pitch black in a tiny room with my pants down and the switch on the outside. Thing was I really had to go, now! That was fun.

Oh my, i feel for ya! Didn't have that chance in my numerous turkish toilets experiences, grr *shakes angry fist*. The worst thing about these toilets is that you cannot block the door if the lock is broken, as you're in a such position that you'ld immediatly loose balance and fall in the hole. Ew! :D

The only good point in these toilets is that you can quickly see if the previous user left you a gift by not flushing ;D

...FRENCH TOILETS.


Oh, how I wish they had real toilets. WITH TOILET PAPER.

/me is going to France tomorrow morning for a week and is not happy about that.

Cala, we have seat covers here in Australia. And they seem to be everywhere in Sydney. There are places where they don't have them that are questionable... like Town Hall station. I mean, if there is a place where a toilet seat cover would be welcome, it would be there.

I sit down, but after wiping down the seat with either tissue or wipes. And before you ask, yes I carry wipes with me everywhere.
I am a bit of a neat freak :)

The thing is that with a nine month belly squatting or "hovering" is not really an option!  :P When I was in school I could wait up to 6 hours to go but as soon as I got preggers bye-bye bladder control... Turkish toilets are an aabsolute nightmare. Whenever you go into a relatively old-ish restaurant in my country and need to use the facilities Wham! You get to pee in a hole in the ground. Plus most of them are designed to be used by men.  :-*

Ok I have a question. I was in Australia a couple of years ago and they warned me that when I go to the bathroom (the outsidish ones mainly),  I should always check to make sure there were no Red Back spiders hanging around. Which of course just made me totally retentive for a month. It that true or were they just taking the piss?

Thank you Cala....I was fine, had removed gleet from my mind. Then you brought it up again. I still prefer to hover. It makes it easier to stand when I'm done anyway. There's nothing like sitting on a low public toilet only to realize you can't exactly get up when you're done. Srsly. Not fun. I thought about taking a little lysol spray, but I think that might have been a little extreme. Bottom line for me: if the bathroom looks dirty or smells really bad, I just don't go.

Not in Brisbane.  I don't think I saw any in Melbourne either.  Will check Tassie when I get there. :P


Truthfully - little from Column A, little from Column B.  Mostly taking the piss - an inside toilet should have no issues.  An outside toilet is an issue.  Redbacks love plastic (I have to check my kids toys as they live in the plastic car wheels of those driveable car thingies) and they have been known to bite people on the bum.

You're just lucky that the dropbears didn't get you.  :)

Tchan, i'm sure they have real toilets LOL Come'on you're not going to india or Africa, lighten up :D

And nowhere I went to either! Bondi Beach, Katoomba, Newcastle, Port McQuarie, Surfers Paradise, Brisbane, Airlie Beach or Cairns (and a few other places in between). Also, what's the deal with the lack of soap in public toilets? I don't just mean dispensers being empty, I mean, no dispensers at all. Something I discovered the hard way!

Did someone nick all the toilet seats?  ;D

France HAS real toilets. We have toilets every 20kms on the motorway (brits can't say the same) free to access and fairly clean. Nothing compared to German hygene standard (you could eat in german public toilets) but still, they are here. For the paper, check to toilet that doesn't closes, there is always paper in that one.

MissBlondie, you're forgetting our "special" toilets (no paper, no water) specifically designed for tourists... ;D

Speaking of terletts and Australia. A few years ago I took a trip up to Darwin, drove out to that Kakadu park place where the hotel is shaped like a giant crocodile. The whole town EXCEPT the public terlets smelled like the restroom of a truckstop.

I'm still too scared to use those automatic terletts they have in Northbridge here, although, considering the area, I'm more likely to disappear into another dimension in the street rather than in the tardis.

*CaptainChris at least HOPES they're automatic toilets, not elaborate phonebooths popular with the bladderfilled slags. :-\

Oh ! You mean those! But those are not toilets they are Water Closets.

Nothing better than knowing that your motherland has superclean toilets. XD

It is still scary Kragey. Do you guys actually use them? 'Cause i have been a few time in Germany and I can't get myself to use them. Are we allowed to? Or are they killer toilets who eat whoever dares to use them?

I didn't know you were German, Kragey! I love Germans! I'd eat in your toilet any day.

Wait. That came out wrong.

Now that's precious! ;D

First time I used a French toilet was at a rest area, and there was just several holes in the tile to pee in.  (I had to go ask what they were for! :o)  No toilet paper or even any walls for privacy, just one big room with holes.  I had never seen anything like it and found it to be disgusting (I know, I'm a puritanical American, especially then  ::) ).  Even an old outhouse back in the hills will at least have a place to sit down over the hole.  Luckily, it was very late at night and no one else was at the rest stop, so I used the disabled toilet (shhh!) which was a normal toilet.  This was in 1996, and hopefully, they've been updated since then.  Good luck, Tchan!   ;)

Cookiepirate: In Brittany, a good half of the public town toilets are EXACTLY LIKE THAT. They're called "holes in the ground". No, seriously. That's what they're called.
I think I will carry a toilet roll or hankerchiefs or something in my bag everywhere I go. Or use the disabled toilet. That's a good idea.

And what if you use the disabled one and when you're finished, get out and meet with a disabled woman who was waiting for you? It happened to me once, gosh i wanted to jump into the toilet's hole to hide :o So i'l never use them again. 'rather run home.

First thing: take disinfectant wipes for the seat, if there is one.

Second thing: if you come out of the disabled toilet to find someone waiting on you, scream, "it's a miracle!" and dance the hell out of there.

Third thing: If you're not sure they're gonna have paper, take your own bog roll or be prepared to face the damp uncomfies.

Fourth thing: Do it before you leave home!

I mean she was waiting for me to get out to be able to use the damn toilet ;D

I should have phrased that second one to say, "if you come out of the disabled toilet to find someone waiting on you to get out of there so they can use it and glaring at you, scream, "it's a miracle!" and dance the hell out of there!" Sorry bout that, I forgot that not everyone is familiar with that particular phrase in American speech.

Just as an aside, though: The language spoken in Great Britain and America has diverged so much that maybe it's time that what is spoken in Great Britain should be referred to as English and the warped version we have over here in the US should be called American? Just an idea...

Ow, i misunderstood, sorry. English not my first language, you know that. So it's sometimes tedious. God knows why i understood 'being mugged' :o
The idea of miracle is good ;D but missing the walking cane or the wheelchair is a flaw. Yet you have time to run away during the confusion! I felt so ashamed that day, 'was horrible. Agh!
Agree on the distinction between english and american (even if the differences are not extremely clear to me, but i fail a lot heh)

*insane cackle*


Call me unobservant, but I had no idea that English was not your first language! You write more clearly and effectively than most native speakers I've run across. In addition to my internet experience, I worked as a university writing tutor for years, so I've stumbled across some real gems, and I mean that in both the literal and the sarcastic senses. So...uh, good job, or something. You're definitely doing something right. :D

I probably would have faked a limp and then felt horrible about it afterwards. I use the disabled washroom at work from time to time (I work at a community centre but don't have access to the staff bathroom, if there even is one) because it's almost always the cleanest. But I don't spend a long time in the washroom when I'm away from home anyway, so I wouldn't feel too bad if someone was waiting when I came out. I'm kind of heartless that way.

You know what toilets I hate? Toilets in camping grounds. Srsly. And those "eco-friendly" terlets, AKA holes in the ground. I hate camping anyways, but going to the terlet block in the middle of the night scares the shit outta me. When I was a kid, I went to the terlet block one night when we went camping in Kakadu (back when I lived in Darwin) and when I got there my torch died, a giant spider almost bit my arse and a giant, black, hairy spider crawled up me legs and onto my lap.

There is the story of my fear of spiders, hatred of camping and somewhat fear of the dark. I was only 6 in Pescado years...

When I was an actual 12 I went on a feild trip to a local day camp. My group went in to inspect the toilets after getting bored of doing some pointless crap with a compass. It was jarring to say the least. Every toilet, save one or two, was clogged beyond beilef. I guess that as long as at least ONE toilet is working the staff doesn't bother to fix anything. Campers would just keep using them over and over, but they couldn't flush. :-X Imagine the stench of months, if not years, of human waste and toilet paper sitting in a small cabin without windows or any ventilation. I preffer an outhouse anyday.  :P

There is always the option to dig a trench and throw a skinny log in front of it with toilet paper beside it if you wanna avoid some of the stinkier outhouses to be found in some campgrounds...

That is waaay more work than I can handle when I just need to take a shit.  :D

Encouragements coming from a university writing tutor, gee! thanks glasscigarette :) I made huge improvements since i joined the forum but it's still hard and tedious. I always check my posts several times but i re-read the faults as correct words! AGH plus i'm dyslexic

Jess Maree, that's the most horrible camping story i've read. A spider & a scorpion in the total dark! :o It must have been a nightmare. I too always loathed camping, walls are our friends! That also goes for the floor and real toilets: a must-have, definetly. Why bother? I love nature but hate the idea of sleeping in it, Ew! And hate the idea of having to use the camping's so called "toilets" *ironic quotes* Digging a hole to poo is way better and even more hygienic.

falln_angel, faking a limp?! Arg! No, cannot do. I'ld find that disrepectful but hey, i'm really too kind. That's what a friend used to say all the time. Never believed him at that time, but now i understand he was right.

Just use the "I'm sorry, I'm from fill in your country's name, and don't understand the language of the country your visiting and didn't realize this was for the disabled only, until it was too late".  Be sure to look appropriately apologetic.  If they don't understand whatever language you are talking to them in, most will just smile and nod (I know, I do that all the time when someone speaks dutch to me and I just can't keep up with it....Smile And Nod, Smile And Nod!).

fake edit:  <----- 200th Post!!  Yeah ME!!!!

My distraction method would be to point in the opposite direction and yell "omg, it's Senator Craig" and then run like hell. That would probably only work in an American mens restroom though. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/28/craig.arrest/

Cookie That's an awesome idea, pretending to be a lost tourist is ingenious ;D

Technically, half-German. (But you're still invited to eat in my toilet.  ;) )My mother's side, and they are FIERCELY proud about their country...yes, including the toilets. They are fiercely proud of their superclean toilets.

I honestly think it has a lot to do with the shame they feel over Germany's WWII discretions. They're proud about everything they do that's healthy and sane (not that I'm complaining).

Most Germans prefer to use their own toilet--who doesn't?--but yeah, Germans will use the Superclean Toilets of Wonder, too. Anything you can pee in. XD

There's a few of those hippy terletts here in Perth. Being a guy, its a bit revolting standing there to pee and looking down the hole to see like years of....I'm not continuing that sentence.

Dr House, I didn't realise English wasn't your native tongue.

I live in country Queensland, I wont even say what the toilets around here are like, No-one will ever visit again!  ;D
And has anyone used the ones on the Strand in Townsville? stainless steel toilets..........very very very low to the ground, so not only do you have a freezing bum, but your almost sitting in the water  :o

True around here, not so much in the civilized area's :P

Oh yes! Watch them dropbears!  :D

Ok I'll bite, dropbears are,   a: furry little creatures that steal your camera and take naughty pictures of themselves
                                       b: carnivorous species of sand dwelling marsupials
                                       c: overfed hairy drunk cricket fans
                                       d: something else I'm probably glad I didn't know about at the time

You've met the Barmy Army then? ;)

Actually that brings me to another point - Australian hospitality. When you're the only Englishman in the pub, populated by 40+ Aussie cricket fans, and you've just watched that useless shitty side England throw away the Ashes yet again, it was surprising how many beers I was offered as consolation! :) It sort of overcame the embarrassment somewhat...

OMG yes, I hate those with a passion. I'm very tall too, so I was almost gnawing my kneecaps!

Wouldn't it figure that one area where we short people have the advantage over you taller folks would be in the crapper? It's not fair, it really isn't... But I bet to make up for it, they mount the sinks absurdly high...

*pictures a dirty Paden sitting under a 12 foot sink, sobbing and swearing*

Nah, being feline I would just jump up the basin and do my thing in there, less chance of falling in. Then I'd jump across to the other one and knock the spigot on to get a drink and leave when I'd had my fill.

They drop out of trees at night and maul you - hence dropbears.  They look like koalas, so odds are you came across them - you just didn't know it.


Much beer is offered.  Soothes the soul.  :D

So they're kinda like our forest beavers a bit. They're not really aggressive though, it's just a drag when they dam up the paths and you can't get through.

Pardon the interruption - I just wanted to bring us back to our toilet discussion for a moment, I have to share this link with y'all:  http://gizmodo.com/5018566/pop-a-squat-anywhere-anytime-with-environmentally+friendly-shit-box

Okay, back to whatever it was you were talking about.

 :D How can that be more environmentally friendly than shitting in a hole in the ground?  :o

The website that sells the shit box is even better - see their home page - and various uses.  :D

http://www.thebrowncorporation.com/ (http://www.thebrowncorporation.com/)

Don't forget the toilet paper .....http://www.basegear.com/toiletpaper.html (http://www.basegear.com/toiletpaper.html)  ;D

I suppose the plastic wrapper would keep it from getting wet in the wilderness, but that doesn't seem very eco-friendly.

That link made my day, Hec. :D

Picky, picky, picky......meh!  :-*

Just thought I should point out that if my under-18 daughter wanted to buy something from a brand called "Pussy Deluxe," I'd ground her faster than you could say "Bob's your uncle."

(http://i30.tinypic.com/2n9xsow.jpg)

I don't know about all you guys, but with my luck the damn thing would buckle right in the middle of using it. I prefer a sturdy fallen log, thanks!

It's highly appropriate that all this talk of shit is happening in a t$r thread..

And it's PAY?  :o  I think that qualifies for the fugly paysite crap thread as well.

TSR's new FA made a few :
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in an other color : http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=730978uu4.jpg

Who doesn't like to see a teenager hanging out in their undies?

Very whorish, yack! And that makeup is way too pronounced for a teen :P 'Looks like Brooks is a hook'!

What's the purple thing hanging down below the top? Is it supposed to be a string? And I sure hope those aren't pajamas/underwear. That belt is gonna hurt...

Damn I can't see the purple floss undies.. imageshack keeps timing out.

My eyes are chorusing "thank you for not bleaching us today!" so I guess it can't be that bad.

(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8796/cocokissesfp0.jpg)

she's advertising that she's horny and doesn't wear underwear.   :P

how do you have a computer, but not a house?

you could have a library card.