TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!

[SoggyFox]

I wouldn't go and say that people using the workshop are on the same level of evil that the TSR management has shown - like most people, its more about using something that's easy to use.  I think people trusting TSR is a bit foolish, but its their computers, and their choice.  It might be Workshop is the one safe thing to come from TSR, we'll see, but I won't touch it myself.

[Paleoanth]

Soggy, I am not saying that either.  My comments were directed entirely at TSR's management/FA's and those involved in the activities, even those that knew it was going on and did nothing.  My point was that the tool comes from some of the people that have known activities that have hurt others.  Have all the people who are involved in the tool guilty? No.  But it comes from an entity that is guilty of much. 

Inge-many people boycott companies that have shown to be complicit in illegal and unethical activities.  Why would a boycott of tsr's tool be different from that?

[Quorneater]

Nono, go ahead.  I said I respect anyone who has views and is prepared to make a sacrifice for them.  It's just my own priority is helping myself and others to enjoy the game, rather than bothering about the policies of a company, that is in the grand scheme of things, rather insignificant.   I don't have the power to do anything about it anyway even if I wanted to.  And neither apparently does anyone else here, or they'd be gone by now.

[CatOfWar]

Granted, we don't have the power to make TSR go out of business tomorrow, but we are not completely powerless and some good has come from PMBD's activities.  edit: And others' too.

- Shakeshaft's stolen meshes taken down (no apology nor admission of guilt, no firing of Shakeshaft the thief, but better than nothing)

- DOT's bucketfill "pattern" is now a free item, not pay

- TSR now openly admits they pay their FAs.

- edit to add: TSR now encrypts their passwords, according to Delphy anyway.

Granted, some of these may be seen as very minor things, especially DOT's bucketfill, but the point here is that the public was made aware of TSR asshattery, and that's why TSR made changes.  More importantly, pointing out such things, especially the theft of Buggybooz meshes, helps convince some people to leave TSR.  I'm sure there's other stuff I don't remember.

- PMBD spreads the word about TSR wrongdoing, which Paleo and dstar already listed, and customers leave TSR.  Perhaps not in as huge numbers as we would like, but it must hurt TSR some economically since they send stupid threatening letters to Pescado's ISP and post lame rebuttals to Coconut and PMBD on their site.

- PMBD fileshares pay content.  Again, this must hurt TSR some economically.  They cancel accounts without refunds if they even suspect someone fileshares.  So preventing filesharing is probably more important to them than not pissing off their own customers.

I realize some folks may see this as too little gain given the time and effort involved.  I see it as some gain is better than none.  Sure, TSR is very insignificant compared to global warming, child soldiers, dictators with nukes.  However, it is significant enough to me because TSR hurts a community I care about and affects an activity I enjoy.  (Obviously you care about the community, not arguing that.)

[Witchboy]

Igne didn't your site suffer a DOS attack in early august? Hence the move of all your tools to MTS?

[CatOfWar]

Igne didn't your site suffer a DOS attack in early august? Hence the move of all your tools to MTS?

Is that what DOT was babbling about when she said tools moved around?

[Quorneater]

Yes that's right WB.

[Witchboy]

So Me & Shan0w get hacked in late July, your site is DOS'd in early August & the most recent attack was on a member at Black Pearl Sims. Her photobucket was hacked on or about 9-13-2009 with the very same pics that were put on Mine & Shan0ws PB accounts. Then a new member signed up at Black Pearl Sims & purposely started posting those pics in the CMC section that very same day.

The only thing Me & Shan0w have in common was that we both installed the 1st updated version of the TSR tool. The same one that had that special gift included with it. Wonder if the member at Black Pearl had installed the very same tool? 

Kinda makes you think doesn't it?

............Edited for typos.

[CatOfWar]

WB - Have you contacted this person at BPS?  I don't know if concrete proof can ever be found, but more people, more info. :/  Personally, I'm still sceptical of the keylogger theory, but you can ask if they had TSR's tool running and connected to the network while typing in passwords.  And what version it was.  I'm more curious about why someone would go after this person.  Did they criticize TSR?  Develop something that competes with TSR's product?  Make fun of Atwa?  Mock an FA?

[Witchboy]

No but someone from Black Pearl contacted this person. I don't know what was asked but you can find the thread about it here
http://blackpearlsims.com/showthread.php?t=31070

Seems it has happened more then these 2 times at BP.

[dstar]

There are multiple reasons to go after people at BPS including the fact that they have several " retired" or currentSA's and FA's  on their Resident Creator/Creative Contributors staff including Cassandre, Angelamaviza, Linegud, and Ricci12882. At least two of these people are known contributors to the filesharing threads which contains content from play and compete for points freesites- and from paysites like Amasims.

 Not to mention Linegud and Angelamaviza are both FA"s and  have x-posted stuff on BPS for free that TSR has designated pay. I can see where that might tick off whomever at TSR is doing this, or maybe someone at TSR has a grudge against BPS which given the whole Reflexsims debacle and TSR's role  and the fact that all the good creators at Reflexsims including TSR FA's and SA's told Reflexisms to fuck off and then left and  founded BPS  would be a reasonable assumption.

[Witchboy]

Removed what i posted. I didn't read Dstars post all the way through. I had a blonde moment

I can see where that might tick off whomever at TSR is doing this, or maybe someone at TSR has a grudge against BPS which given the whole Reflexsims debacle and TSR's role and the fact that all the good creators at Reflexsims including TSR FA's and SA's told Reflexisms to fuck off and then left and founded BPS would be a reasonable assumption.

Can we say ATWAT?

[karu]

There are multiple reasons to go after people at BPS including the fact that they have several " retired" or currentSA's and FA's  on their Resident Creator/Creative Contributors staff including Cassandre, Angelamaviza, Linegud, and Ricci12882. At least two of these people are known contributors to the filesharing threads which contains content from play and compete for points freesites- and from paysites like Amasims.

 Not to mention Linegud and Angelamaviza are both FA"s and  have x-posted stuff on BPS for free that TSR has designated pay. I can see where that might tick off whomever at TSR is doing this, or maybe someone at TSR has a grudge against BPS which given the whole Reflexsims debacle and TSR's role  and the fact that all the good creators at Reflexsims including TSR FA's and SA's told Reflexisms to fuck off and then left and  founded BPS  would be a reasonable assumption.

Angelamaviza also had her photobucket account hacked.   Porn pics were in her threads and avatar at bps just like WB and Shanow.

[Witchboy]

Seems to be pointing to Atwa more & more. She was at one point going around at various forums, or one forum in particular last year (Or was it this year?) asking about hacking. I forget what forum it was but i think the info about her antics regarding hacking is posted here on PMBD somewhere.

Looks to me as if their going after anyone they believe has wronged TSR in someway or who they perceive as a threat.

.......Edited for typos

[neriana]

Anyone who helps thieves, liars, cheats, and scum, and then expects to still be respected, is very amusing. I have no respect for them whatsoever (unlike many people in the Sims "community", I don't think programming ability automagically makes someone a god), but they're amusing. Also amusing: saying you can't change things so you might as well help the people who make it worse. Hey, pollution just keeps getting worse all the time, so you might as well litter! The only choice with people like that is to point and laugh, as they twist in the wind trying to justify what they know is actually unjustifiable. I think they're actually worse than the Thomasses of the world, who at least get paid for having holes where their consciences should be.

At this point I'm just watching the train wreck.