TSR: In Ur Accounts, Deletin Ur Stuffs!

[neo-patriot]

dstar, I tried to pm you but your box is full. I'll try again later.

[Sigmund]

Because that would take real effort on their part and would require them to leave the comforts of their nicely padded computer chairs...

Also, I'm pretty sure that a real job generally wouldn't make as much money as some of the paysites make, depending what the job is. Didn't Peggy or somebody take a vacation based completely off money generated from her paysite? Anyway, the point is that for many of them, they are making more money than they ever could in an honest profession.

[Darqstar]

Also, I'm pretty sure that a real job generally wouldn't make as much money as some of the paysites make, depending what the job is. Didn't Peggy or somebody take a vacation based completely off money generated from her paysite? Anyway, the point is that for many of them, they are making more money than they ever could in an honest profession.

Not many.  TSR has been able to convince a lot of paysites to close down and go to them.  And we've heard two figures tossed out.  One was a 300 dollar a month limit, the other was a 500 dollar a month figure that (ironically) Shakeshaft was getting.  And supposedly the prices vary by individual.   While 500 dollars a month ain't chicken feed, it's also not enough to really support yourself.  However, if you had a spouse / parent supporting you, 300 dollars a month is pretty good for pocket change, doing a hobby. 

[dstar]

dstar, I tried to pm you but your box is full. I'll try again later.

 OT: All emptied now is there a problem- The lot is not exact there were just some things that did not work out like the triangular glass- just PM me and I will get back to you.

[Skye]

I could use the extra buck, but left a certain site when they decided to go pay site. Luckily for them they changed back to free.  I could never charge people for my creations.  It is a hobby, and one I enjoy sharing---mine are for the pure challenge of it!

So no one really gets in trouble for all this mess. EA couldn't care less, and can't be bothered after selling the games. And their customer service sucks rocks as well! So I doubt TSR could really be charged with anything for doing this stuff! And they have EA on their side anyways!

[Eskimo Pie]

 I do not think FA's roll in the money but like Darstar said, it is nice money for a hobby. I know many crafts people who sit and make things by hand all year long to earn 500 dollars from their hobby.  For me to earn 500 dollar I have to work  around 40 hours serving coffee in a very busy store.

[HugeLunatic]

Where can I find HugeLunatic's replacement items for the Mutske Ikea stuff?  Would like to do some cleansing of my own...  heh.

You may find me here and here.  But I have no idea how mine compares to Mutske, since I have no pay content in my game.  Thank you dstar. 

[Cheesy]

Say what?! The Featured Artists earn up to 500 bucks per month?

That's a bit more than my monthly salary, for working 40 hours a week as a Special Education Teacher.

This makes me wonder how much does TSR earn from their activities.
I know Thomass salary is high enough to afford a new house, but I suspect the total earnings fof that site must be much higher than what I imagine.

[neriana]

Say what?! The Featured Artists earn up to 500 bucks per month?

That's a bit more than my monthly salary, for working 40 hours a week as a Special Education Teacher.

I'd guess you're not American then. That brings up a good point, though; in some countries, 500 American dollars a month would be an extremely good salary. What we'd make with a badly paid part-time job is a real living wage to some people who live where American dollars buy a lot more than they do in the U.S.

[rum nate]

Say what?! The Featured Artists earn up to 500 bucks per month?

That's a bit more than my monthly salary, for working 40 hours a week as a Special Education Teacher.

This makes me wonder how much does TSR earn from their activities.
I know Thomass salary is high enough to afford a new house, but I suspect the total earnings fof that site must be much higher than what I imagine.

Some one did some math a while back (it was a lot of estimation, because we don't have all the numbers), but they figured that TSR has made over $1million in the past 4 years alone. That doesn't count what they got pre-2005 or post-October 2008. But I think the person's final number came to like $1.3million or something like that for the past 4 years.

[Pescado]

I'd guess you're not American then. That brings up a good point, though; in some countries, 500 American dollars a month would be an extremely good salary. What we'd make with a badly paid part-time job is a real living wage to some people who live where American dollars buy a lot more than they do in the U.S.

That's my shopping secrets right there. Buy from foreign countries where stuff is cheap!

[justso]

TSR probably earned as much as they did because they were given an unfair advantage over the community (not sure if monopoly could rightly be used here).  While honest people and people who weren't so sure were contacting EA to clarify the situation EA was sending back emails claiming paysites are illegal, meanwhile, TSR thrived under the guise of subscription site, while advertising themselves as a freesite here, there and everywhere. They are hoping that this new situation will be brushed under the carpet,  they are using the same tactics on their members as they use here when they visit, under the assumption that sims 2 players have the attention span of gnats, they launched the booty competition, and a brand new newsletter, to divert them.

[CortoMaltese]

Is it a wonder or a compromise? The files are really taken away from TSR (but how long ?)

Could it be possible, that no one of the TSR head spoke to Shakeshaft about the theft? It's a bit curius that Steve didn't knew all files!!!

Originally Posted by Steve, via email
Thanks for the list.. some sets we didn't know those items were in.

All removed and page cache's cleared.

Hey, if I'm a thief and my boss is asking "What have you stolen?", I would say "Here, these are the stolen things". But they let Delphy and the MTS2 stuff did the work of searching....

And a little idea: The sets are still avaible here at the booty - shouldn't they be deleted here too? But not complete - only the download zip/rar. And the filenames should be attached with a note like "stolen content" - so everyone will remember!

[dstar]

Where can I find HugeLunatic's replacement items for the Mutske Ikea stuff?  Would like to do some cleansing of my own...  heh.

You may find me here and here.  But I have no idea how mine compares to Mutske, since I have no pay content in my game.  Thank you dstar. 

You're welcome- I have just finished playing yours in game- The texture is much more attractive and it is much mroe detailed -You also seem to be working on pieces that are actually a  part of the Ikea product line which is the sort of thing that I would call a " Completer Set" Mutske has good work (for a paysite artist) but  much like Spaik and Shakeshaft, and MsBarrows assumes that a completer set means making whatever the heck they feel like making. You put care and research into making the complete sets as do some of the other artists at Mod the Sims like Alias, FWay and Leeester who make the stuff in sets that EA forgot to include in the SP's amd EP's - You've also said that you make what you want to use in your own game- I don't think that the Completer set creators at TSR even play their games anymore-That is one of  the  big differences between paysites and freesites- Yes you can find just as many ugly re-colors of the same dresses if that is what floats your boat but, the good creators on freesites still play the game and use their own stuff in game and actually care enough to do the research etc on a type of furniture, or historic period. You care - she doesn't and it shows- Now this is a little off topic and probably belongs in the Paysite vs Free thread - So before I get blasted back to TSR crud.

While it may be worth it to some FA's who live and work in countries where $500 dollars a month is a good paycheck- There are many many FA's from the United Kingdom and the U.S - I don't know about what the minimum wage is in the U.K but in the U.S. that is below minimum wage given how much work it takes to even make a crappy set work at all (forget about well), it doesn't even meet the lowest minimum wage requirement of 4.50 USD per hour which is the rate in some Southern States. Where I am the minimum is 7$ USD per hour - I wouldn't even open the game to build a starter lot for that - if I was the sort to take money for my work rather than handing them out like candy at Halloween.
 There are plenty of online jobs out there if you want to stay at home with the kids, or are disabled- anything from working on mass mailings for big companies, to working as an answering service , to copy-editing journal articles and business reports for business and academic professionals- I work doing this and freelance writing as I live in a very rural area with very few actual on site jobs. There are plenty of things that they could do at home that would not take them from their kids that would pay as much or more than TSR that really don't require much skill at all. I make around 12 USD per hour and average about 3000 per month and I don't even really work that hard. My work consists of putting commas and question marks where they go- not hard, not labor intensive and I get to work in my pjs so stuff is out there- even if they wanted to continue getting paid for their " Art"

[Darqstar]

TSR thrived under the guise of subscription site, while advertising themselves as a freesite here, there and everywhere.

In a way, that's exactly what they were.  I'm not going say TSR used to be cool, but when they first went pay, it worked like this, everything was available at any time if you had a paid subscription. If you had a free subscription, only a certain amount, which rotated every week or so.  So, TSR could very well have claimed that no, you're not buying the items, you're buying the privilege of being able to download whatever you want, whenever you want.  Granted, now more stuff is free all the time, but the way it was, everything eventually would be free.  You might have to wait for years before they got around to freeing the items you wanted, but FA/SA/Everyone elses stuff eventually would be free for a limited time.

Again, I'm not sticking up for TSR, but to be honest?  If they still ran on the old system, I'd have a hard time thinking of them as a pure paysite.  It wouldn't excuse them sharing paypal information, it wouldn't excuse FA's stealing work. I still would feel that paying FA's was wrong, but I'd have a hard time feeling it was okay for them to be in the booty. 

Which reminds me, wasn't there a site that would put up a "donation set," for a couple months, then make it free?  If so, were their donation sets in the booty?  I'm just curious. 

Edit reason: Clarification.