Absolutely perfect. Could you zip that for me and shoot me a pm with it? Thanks so much.

If you donated within the last couple of weeks you can probably be assured your info was compared with others info. They think the more subs people have the more likely they are to be file sharer. The only way to know how many subs a person has is to share the info of all.

Oh yea, I wanted to say that yes this thread is all over the place which is really quite sad because it would have been a nice thread for people coming here trying to decide if they agreed or disagreed with us.

Anybody got an actual screen shot of her page before she changed it? The one that states she will only share your username.

As a gamer, and a paying customer. This is strictly pay sites I am talking about.

I expect the content I buy to look the exact same in my game as it does on the site I bought from.

I expect that when I pay a site for the 3rd time that they will make an attempt at giving me a decent update or two for my 3rd sub.

I expect that if I have a problem with something and email them, I will receive a reply without the attitude and one that is properly directed to a paying customer.

I expect that my personal information remain between me and the seller and not distrubited to any joe blow they feel like giving to.

I expect that if their site has a zillions viruses that will force me to reformat and reinstall windows they will notify me by email of the problem.

I expect that if their site goes down for a week that my sub be credited appropiately for the time lost.

I expect that the files that are emailed to me actually be working files and not corrupted rar's.

Everyone of these of these things I put here because of personal situations concerning a paysite. And each one of these puts into question the very ethics that they keep screaming we should have but apparently feel no need to have themselves.

Ok back on.

I read your other post and you are right that is wrong. I respect your principles to not download and I also respect the fact that you have taken the time to at least consider the other side. Most that come here, as you have probably noticed, dont even bother to try and understand. They also have never bothered to answer the question either. Actually they come back with all this about the meshes being theirs. I will agree that they made the meshes and the meshes are theirs, right up to the point they put them online specifically for the sims 2. That is the point that they no longer become theirs and actually become Maxis. As I said there is no gray area here. It is plan and simple English and appears on every site.
I also respect a person's right to earn money. The more the better. But this is the only time that a company has allowed so many, to make so much off from copyright material. I also agree that EA allows them to and I dont have a problem with that either. The problem comes in when they start yelling that we are stealing. We have nothing here of theirs. Everything on this site belongs to Maxis/EA. We dont use their bandwidth at all. Nobody is hot linking to their files. They should not have a problem with us sharing what belongs to Maxis/EA.

Ok, Now we are off.

But then it becomes commercial. I am sorry, you can argue you all you want but if your making 3,4 thousands dollars a month, that is commercial. Why is it so right for them to go against EA's rules and so wrong for us to go against theirs. I really just dont get the argument here. All I see is that we are doing what EA intended to be done and they are breaking all the rules but yet everyone gets on us in their defense. Not to mention the very clear statement that all Game content is copyright EA and EA said we can share it. I dont not see what is so hard to understand here. No one has come up with one good argument for this and for the most part has completely ignored the question all together.

Ok, stepping away now.

No, it is fine, actually the addy is in several post on the board. I am just being a smartass today

 Now I am gonna have to kill you. Ok your dead! :wink:

edit because it was backwards

We must also look at the fact that most of the creators are in fact using pirated software to make the objects that they are selling but not selling because they cant. THe word stealing really needs to be stopped. If you purchase a new movie from Walmart and your mother wants to watch it, do you let her? If you do, Is it stealing? I mean let's face the company that made it never intended for your mother to watch it for free. Before you argue to much, if the movie leaves your home and goes to another home than it is sharing something that the company intended for each household to pay for. Every single file here was paid for by someone. That someone chose to share it. We share things every single day in this world that at least one person had to pay for and the other did not. Anyone that states they have never shared anything to save someone else money, I would have to call a liar. So why so much difference here. Why should we care what the paysites owners think? I dont get it. If you think they are not making a ton of money you are seriously not paying attention. Glam sims has over 5000 members, she said so herself. How many do you think pay a sub? Times that by the cost of her sub. That is a lot of money a month. We are not here to change the world. We are here to offer things to those that can not afford it. I dont know if anyone does or has ever subbed to Glams sims, but if you have, send her an email and complain about something. You might be real surprised by the return email and the rude comments she makes in it. Even so far as to tell you that she has a tone of members and doesnt need your money anyway.

I think it would be nice to hear some of the stories from others about how their sites or yahoo groups have been shut down by paysites and how they exactly went about doing it. I think it would be good for people to see just how nasty they can get. Would surely stop the ethics arguments from coming through. Well, ok not stop them but could knock them down a bit.

The truth that has been hidden for so long is exactly why the paysites thought underground sharing was good and open sharing was bad. Because the "truth" would hurt them greatly and it has.

You know, this WAS a good thread but somehow they always mangae to turn to shit. Maybe that is why nobody listens to anyone.

Actually, there needs to be more debates like this. Maybe if the yelling, screaming and name calling stopped there could be an actual real debate. It would be nice to have all the debates in one thread. Calm rational debates and then let everyone take it from there. I respect someone that comes into a forum with a decent debate. I dont expect the world to agree with me and I dont condemn anyone for the beliefs.

Oh wait, now we want to go with ethical argument? First thing I am gonna point out here is that EA has done nothing to stop the sharing of files either, this would include when those same PAY files are posted on the EXCHANGE. Using your logic we can say that although they are not stopping paysites, they are not stopping sharers either, so they approve of both.

As far as the grey area, there is no grey area, It is a requiremnt of EA that every site, whether pay or free, has to put that on their site. And it is not double talk, it does not beat around the bush, it is plain straight English and it says Game content and materials copyright Electronic Arts Inc. There is nothing else on the site. It is ALL GAME CONTENT

The difference between file sharers and paysite owners (talking about ethics here) is that file sharers would never put another person in danger over a game. We would not photoshop our stuff to make it look better than it is just to get your money. and there is a ton of other things we could all list about Ethics. If you are taking the time to read this forum, then please take the time to find the post where someone (posting on behalf of paysites) mentioned a visit to Blue's mom. If you want to debate ethics I would highly suggest you do it on behalf of yourself and NOT in regards to paysites.