Misleading links to "free" downloads

[liegenschonheit]

I agree with the definition of Paysite as any site that charges for game content, period. In my opinion, anything that is withheld for profit should end up in the booty, plain and simple. Holy Simoly's stuff is in there, despite that many people think a couple of reasonably priced donation packs aren't that great of an evil in light of the free stuff. Ren's skintones are in there, despite that Rensim is a 99% free site. Numenor should have his bed in there, I thought it was. If I turned around and made a donation set tomorrow just to cover bills, it would end up in the booty, no matter that I hang around here.

I think the distinctions we try to make have nothing to do with the booty, but with the idea that not all paysites are equally evil. Ren's three donation skintones are no match for Peggy's profiteering, and could reasonably be only for site maintenance. Simchic is pretty blatantly in this for the money, but they allow their meshes to be shared freely, so are they as bad as TSR? In that sense, I think even after all this time we're still trying to figure out who falls into what level of 'badness'. It's all illegal, but it's like trying to classify it into felonies and misdemeanors.

[Zazazu]

A rotating free schedule is still a paysite. If I go on a fansite and can't get all the pixels now unless I give you money, you are charging for content. If I give you a donation, I should get nothing. Just warm fuzzies.

[Quorneater]

A rotating free schedule is still a paysite. If I go on a fansite and can't get all the pixels now unless I give you money, you are charging for content. If I give you a donation, I should get nothing. Just warm fuzzies.

Ah, but on what timescale?  I don't know if it's improved lately, but there was a time it took a few days to download something from MTS2 if you were not a subscriber

[Zazazu]

A rotating free schedule is still a paysite. If I go on a fansite and can't get all the pixels now unless I give you money, you are charging for content. If I give you a donation, I should get nothing. Just warm fuzzies.

Ah, but on what timescale?  I don't know if it's improved lately, but there was a time it took a few days to download something from MTS2 if you were not a subscriber

No timescale. Now means now.

I don't know how MTS2 was in the far past, as I didn't start going there until maybe 4 months ago. TSR had me thoroughly convinced that they were the only worthy Sims site back then. But now, everything on MTS2 is immediately available. I don't donate there...at least I haven't. I've just given bits and pieces to random sites.

[liegenschonheit]

I dont know about the main MTS2 server, because MooMoo people and people who have featured creations get put on the 'special' server. However, anyone can access that server since it's the q-express server, and it does get dog ass slow too. From what I understand, it's a site-wide problem. MTS2 probably still doesn't have the throughput to handle the traffic the site gets, or perhaps the physical servers don't have enough CPU or RAM to deal with it. I think it's been getting marginally better.

[mando]

Ah, but on what timescale?  I don't know if it's improved lately, but there was a time it took a few days to download something from MTS2 if you were not a subscriber

I'm not sure what you mean here, could you explain it a bit more explicitly.

I'm not a subscriber to MTS2 (I have donated no money there) but I've never had problems downloading even when I first signed up (there was never a wait), and any problems I have downloading now seem to come from high traffic on the website. As far as I know, no Sims files are kept from the free members there, although with donations you do get on a faster server (right?). According to the EULA that is perfectly fine as it is not Sims content that is being kept out of the download pool.

[calalily]

I agree wholeheartedly with you liegen - and once we make distinctions about "good" and "bad" paysites, they'll all creep up again - so i agree with bootying the lot.

As for MTS2 - waiting 5 minutes for a download is hardly deliberately withheld content.  And since Delphy's new upgrade, barely any waiting.

[Hecubus]

MTS2 is a stupid example. You don't have to pay for any of their content. You may have to wait for a slow-ass server, but you never have to put ANY MONEY DOWN to get what you want.

The rotating stock issue is another matter. You may not have to pay for a set today, but I may have to pay for it tomorrow. THAT is a paysite.

[chemistrycourtney]

so wait... is http://www.lueppiline.de/indexeng.html a freesite like they say they are, and used to be a paysite, and now all their paystuff is free, or are they rotating out paystuff to free stuff, and they'll be making a new pay creation soon?  (This is the website I pulled up for my example.  I have no strong feelings one way or the other about the download's quality.)  

They say they're 100% free now, but I've seen many a paysite say they're free.   :?  :?

i'm using them as an example also cause their little linky tag thingees on the side go to places like (dun dun dun...) TSR.

[Randomness]

It seems to be a freesite now. If it was pay in the past, I don't see any files that you have to pay for now.

[simplystella]

I would say that Numenor does NOT have a paysite, and here's why:
You can get all his stuff without giving him a red cent. He asks for some donations as a thank you, but he does not restrict access to any of his package files.

Actually, as someone else pointed out, the tanning bed on his site *is* pay per download. You pay for it, you get it. And that download also happen to be the only downloadable thing on the site (or at least it was the last time I checked).
And this make Numenor' *site* a *paysite*.

Now, we know that every other work made by Numenor is avaiable for free, so I might agree that he's not a pay *creator*, cause, afterall, the 99,9% of his stuff is not pay, but still, his *site* is pay.

Just in case it wasn't clear yet, I agree with the general "If you have to pay to get 1/all contents you are on a paysite" rule.

[Hecubus]

And if you read a few more posts down, you will see that I corrected that. I not only saw his statement, which I missed the first time, but I added that set to the booty.

GRRRRrrrrrrr.

THIS is the kind of necromantic shit that drives me insane and keeps stupid debates going long after the discussion ended. READ THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD before you post on something.

Gah.

[MizzKitty]

GRRRRrrrrrrr.

THIS is the kind of necromantic shit that drives me insane and keeps stupid debates going long after the discussion ended. READ THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD before you post on something.

Gah.

*scared*

Anyhoo, I agree with everyone that a site where you have to pay to gain access for even a single item is a paysite and all that.

Yet, if something is on a rotation of, say, a couple of weeks or a month, sure it might be annoying that you have to wait, but I would prefer to call it something other than a paysite. No-Delay-Pay, perhaps You know exactly when you can get it for free from them. It's just a matter of a short period of time. And putting that stuff in the booty would frankly be a waste of the nice people who update it's time as they would have to remove it again as soon as it was free.

Patience, padawan?

[Marhis]

Heh, this reminds me why on my MUD we do not accept donations/fees of any kind, neither from volunteers.
It's not because of generosity, but because I have enough to deal daily with people who bitch continuously about their RIGHTS as players and complain about the (free and amatorial) service.

God(s) save us all if we also had to thank them for some lousy bucks. At least I can tell them to go to hell, suspend the service in any moment with no need to justify our actions.

Any euro I spend in this hobby returns in terms of quality of life.

[Rissa]

so wait... is http://www.lueppiline.de/indexeng.html a freesite like they say they are, and used to be a paysite, and now all their paystuff is free, or are they rotating out paystuff to free stuff, and they'll be making a new pay creation soon?  (This is the website I pulled up for my example.  I have no strong feelings one way or the other about the download's quality.)  

They say they're 100% free now, but I've seen many a paysite say they're free.   :?  :?

i'm using them as an example also cause their little linky tag thingees on the side go to places like (dun dun dun...) TSR.

Yes, Lueppi is now 100% free. Si(m) la Lueppi was a paysite, but Lueppi said she got a lot less than 20 euro through her one and only payset in more than half a year,so she pulled it and used google adds instead to finance her site (well, the booty helped a little bit with the decision...)

Her little linky tag on the right side links to linksites, not to the content on the respective sites, and so the tsr-fansite index is linked, too. And I don't think that a fansite index can harm, even if it was made by a paysites and paysites are included in the index.

At her linkpage only free sites are linked.

Yes, I know this post might sound defending. This is because Lueppi is a friend of mine, and we talked a lot about her site, her payset, the decision to pull it and how much help the adds would be.