TSR ATTACKS! WE CAN HAZ NEW LEGAL THREAT!

[Missbonbon]

Hey I can see it now!

Go to war with em Pes. Afterall......you can point them to Numenor's CEP http://hideki.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=92541

"Since v. 1.0, the CEP contains copyright lines, stating that the CEP files have been created by RGiles and myself.
When a creator recolours or clones a CEP object, some files (namely, Material Overrides and Geometry Nodes, and occasionally other files) are copied from the CEP to the recolour or clone package; as a result, the new packages will contain some files created and copyrighted by RGiles and/or me.
Therefore, BE WARNED that every recolour or clone you create using the CEP will contain one or more files created and copyrighted by us.
If having in your packages files created by other users (and copyrighted by them) is a problem for you, please don't use the CEP."

A direct quote from his thread at mts2. So if we are using their copyright files.... well they are using Rglies and Numenor's. And here's a little tid bit from adobe photoshop as well!

"You may access and use the Adobe Materials and User Content solely for personal, informational, non-commercial and internal purposes, in accordance with the Terms;

You may not distribute or sell, rent, lease, license or otherwise make the Adobe Materials or the User Content available to others;

Some Services involve collaboration and file-sharing services among a specific group (a “Group”) in conjunction with such collaboration and file-sharing (“Shared Group Content”). Members of a Group may use the Shared Group Content available to such Group in any manner that has been agreed upon by the User providing such Shared Group Content to the Group. It is your sole responsibility to determine what limitations, if any, are placed on Shared Group Content that you distribute within your Group. You agree that Adobe has no liability of any kind should members of your Group modify, destroy, corrupt, copy or distribute your Shared Group Content in violation of the limitations that you may impose on its use.

you have received consent from any and all persons depicted in Your Content to use Your Content as set forth in the Terms, including distribution, public display, public performance and reproduction of Your Content.

You agree not to use, or to encourage or permit others to use, the Site or Services to:

   1. Make Available any Material that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, tortious, defamatory, libelous, vulgar, obscene, child pornography, lewd, profane, invasive of another’s privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

Make Available any Material that infringes any Intellectual Property Right of any party;

Impersonate any person or entity, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity;"

And that's only halfway through. Eventhough adobe doesn't claim ownership of the textures/graphics created in photoshop, but tsr letting people create those disgusting child outfits is clearly violating adobe's EULA, not to mention all those celebrity sims, and disney stuff they host as well.

I would call them up on there threats because what are they going to say in court? "All of our staff has no job and we pay them to create for the sims. We evade tax's because it's an online company that probably makes thousands of dollars a year. We have no permits, or licenses, as per adobe, to claim ownership over these textures. And finally, we don't even create these files, someone else does and we charge for them."

If I was a judge I would call them crazy

edited: because I was spelling like a dumbass.....

[Anouk]

That, and ofcourse the EULA never changed. XD

[Yaardarm Monkey II]

This guy goes all over the board...not sure if he knows what he is: plural or singular.
Such butchering of English grammar in a 'supposed' legal document is proof of the 12ness of the author  

I am an owner

our website

I have since visited

I am writing to

taken from our website

we have made this formal request

our only option

we would attempt


we = pronoun, plural in construction

I = pronoun, singular in construction

[dietofworms]

Summary for those who can't see it for whatever reason/don't speak wankese:

Dear sirs,

Omg liek stop steelin are filez  ;___;  we r ttly BFFs with EA n dey arent suing us, so we r sue U!!!1

so take down teh booty or u will b SORY!!!!!!1 U SELF-CONFESSED PIRATES OMG

BAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

signed,

Mr. Internet Lawyerguy

ROFLMAO!

Pescado, did you get this via email ?  What happened in the two days since you got it?  I think it's not so horribly written that it couldn't be by Steve.  The switching between "I" and "we" is sloppy, but not ungrammatical.  Was the signature clipped out, or was there never any signature?

*prepares fallout shelter in event of international incident between Sweden and Malaysia*

[SBNao]

.....when I refreshed the link I was able to see the new link for the TSR letter, as well as the new crying baby picture. Pwetty.

Anywhoo, going onto EA's website, I did a search for EULA and got this!:

QUESTION
What is the EA End User License Agreement?
Answer

EA TOOLS END USER LICENSE Electronic Arts Inc, and its subsidiaries, affiliates and licensors(collectively, "EA") grants you a non-transferable non-exclusive license to download and/or install and use one copy of the software tool ("Tool") and/or materials ("Materials") (collectively the "Tools & Materials") solely for your personal noncommercial use in connection with EA's products, in accordance with the terms below.EA owns all of the rights, title and interest in the Tools & Materials. You may not alter any of EA's trademarks or logos, or alter or remove any of EA's trademark or copyright notices included in or with the Tools & Materials or EA's products. Your right to use Tools & Materials is limited to the license grant above, and you may not otherwise copy, display, distribute, perform, publish, modify, create works from, or use any of the Tools & Materials. Without limiting the preceding sentence, you may not modify, reverse engineer, disassemble, license, transfer, distribute, create works from, or sell the Tool, or use the Tools & Materials to further any commercial purpose. Without limiting the foregoing, you may not use the Tools & Materials to promote another product or business, or on any site that operates or promotes a server emulator. You may include materials created with the Tools & Materials on your personal noncommercial website for the noncommercial benefit of the fan community for EA's products and provided that if you do so, you must also post the following notice on your site on the same web page(s) where those materials are located:"This site is not endorsed by or affiliated with Electronic Arts, or its licensors. Trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

Game content and materials copyright Electronic Arts Inc. and its licensors.
"All Rights Reserved." You will not represent that your site is endorsed or approved by or affiliated with EA or our licensors or that any other content on your site is endorsed or approved by or affiliated with EA or our licensors.

Etc Etc...2008, Electronic Arts.

Never changed. Easily Available online for Anyone with Half a Brain to Find.

Or in my peepod case, anyone who finally takes the time to read it.

[Pescado]

Pescado, did you get this via email ?  What happened in the two days since you got it?  I think it's not so horribly written that it couldn't be by Steve.  The switching between "I" and "we" is sloppy, but not ungrammatical.  Was the signature clipped out, or was there never any signature?

This was received through the hosting service. There was no signature in the message attached. I do not censor any part of the legal threats or hatemail.

[Ashbashtus]

So ridiculous..who threatens with legal action and name drops their "associate" and then doesnt sign their fucking letter?!

[Zazazu]

Thanks, SBNao. I was looking in all the wrong places for it. I was sure they had the real EULA still posted somewhere.

[Yaardarm Monkey II]

here's the link for anyone interested:

https://easims.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/easims.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=8174&p_created=1098725015&p_sid=MhUMOObj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MjAzLDIwMyZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1FQSBFbmQgVXNlciBMaWNlbnNlIEFncmVlbWVudA**&p_li=&p_topview=1

[missangelica]

I have to wonder.. why now?  PMBD has been around for what, nearly 2 years now?  The info included in the threat is also inaccurate so I don't know why he/she even bothered.   

[Jojoba]

I have to wonder.. why now?  PMBD has been around for what, nearly 2 years now?  The info included in the threat is also inaccurate so I don't know why he/she even bothered.   

I wondered this as well, and concluded that it was to do with TS3. It seemed too coincidental that TS3's release date is announced, and then TSR go all legalz on Pescado. Am thinking that they wanted to basically get rid of us before TS3 comes out, so we do not cause them damage still

However, what TSR fail to realise is a number of things: the EULA did not change and its easy to proove this..Pescado is PESCADO...taking down the booty, if even possible, would not get rid of pirates or pirating - TSR are the cause, we/this are the effect. The way to eliminate pirating is to not be a paysite in the first place 

[JFederated]

What an insult.  Because someone says so in an unsigned email it must be true?  Yeahright.  I'm gonna send an anonymous email around demanding money, see who pays up.  

The owner wants 'his' stuff removed from the booty...'his'?  Uh huh.

Lay off the hallucinogens, dude, they've impaired your reality.  

[dusdeedawn]

Jojoba, you took the words right out of my mouth!
And I also wanted to point and laugh at this:

They clearly continue to support and encourage all constructive fan sites in the community.

Note the word constructive. Since when is TSR constructive? Their crap ruins games around the world!
Also, this is an age-old debate, about file-sharing and the internet. I highly doubt that <NO NAME GIVEN> is going to put the final nail in the coffin. I doubt that <NO NAME GIVEN> is even competent enough to put a nail in anything. TSR is a joke. Give 'em more butthurt, Pescado!

[Tabby]

 Maybe Atwat sent it. She has been banned (for now) from TSR, maybe she thinks if she finally got the big bad pirates to go away, she could be a hero.  

::puts on tinfoil hat::

[Panthpirate]

Two words: Epic fail