Misleading links to "free" downloads

[Lorelei]

That's part of the problem with this whole free/pay controversy.  No one can really agree on the definition of a paysite

I don't know.

Any content that can not be downloaded without paying someone at a site money = pay content, no matter what description is used.

Any site with content that is pay is a paysite.

Pretty simple!

[Quorneater]

The problem with that is, for example, it makes Numenor's site a paysite, and no one is willing to call it that in recognition of his work elsewhere.  It looks simple when you put it into words, it's less simple when it's time to take those words to heart.

[Hecubus]

Which site is Numenor's?

And if you can only get an item by paying, it is a paysite. That's my definition.

[tngrspacecadet]

this also bugs me, and did even when i was a brand-new baby simmer and knew nothing about the paysite issue (erm about 4 months ago). it just didn't gel with the rest of what happens at MTS2.

numenor's website is here http://www.numenor-moddings.com/lodge.html

[Blind Pew]

Numenor has the tanning bed that he gives as a gift for donators. He even updated it and sent the file out to all who donated previously.

[Hecubus]

I would say that Numenor does NOT have a paysite, and here's why:

You can get all his stuff without giving him a red cent. He asks for some donations as a thank you, but he does not restrict access to any of his package files.

That's the difference.

[Quorneater]

The tanning bed is for donors only, he makes it very clear on his site!

Let's face it, no one *wants* to call his site a paysite, even though his own words on his front page make it very clear the site fits the "agreed" definition.

I say the definition is anything but agreed.  Not only is it not agreed between different people, but individuals are even having a tussle about it within themselves.

The whole paysite debacle is eating it's own tail, if you ask me.

[Garnet]

Then to me, Numenor has a paysite, plain and simple.  He's selling an item--making it inaccessible to anyone who doesn't give him money (until we get hold of it, of course).  

So no matter how great a modder he is, this places him in the wrong, in my eyes.  I don't see the conflict.

[Quorneater]

If the booty does not have that item, it sort of backs up my point.  Anyone reading his words on his site cannot be in any doubt that the tanning bed is a payfile.  I wonder if anyone will show him sufficient disrespect to get that file and upload it here?

[Garnet]

I actually considered it just now, and if a peek at my bank account hadn't revealed that I'm utterly broke at the moment, I would do it in a heartbeat.  I had never been to his site before, so I didn't realize he had a pay item on it, but I would most definitely share if I had it.

And I don't consider it disrespectful to right a wrong; it's the reason I'm on this site.

[Blind Pew]

I have it.

[Hecubus]

Aw, shit. I didn't see that.

I stand corrected, Inge....and I will be happy to put that in the booty.

Do know that sites...and little things like that...do slip past us. We're not playing favorites...we're just not always aware. For a long time, there WERE sites who weren't in the booty based on favoritism, but we-who-run-the-ship-now believe a pay item is a pay item is a pay item.

[Quorneater]

I have a feeling he's actually got that file there to see what happens as much as because he wants the money.  I had a strong "devils advocate" feeling when he was debating it at the FFSS

[Blind Pew]

I'm pretty sure that his file has been there way longer than the pirates have been here, I got the original bed and then he sent out the updated version.

[Hecubus]

I have a feeling he's actually got that file there to see what happens as much as because he wants the money.  I had a strong "devils advocate" feeling when he was debating it at the FFSS

Heh...well, better late than never.

Seriously...I didn't even know it existed until today, or it would have been uploaded in March. Wonder what the debate will be like now....  :lol: