Shutting down some paysites - thoughts and re fair use.

[BlueSoup]

lol Delphy is a male, and not a female.  I'm not doing it, I think that you should post it there.

[Soup Parrot]

lol Delphy is a male, and not a female.  I'm not doing it, I think that you should post it there.

blue i'd love to discuss this over there, and at Insim. Problem is did you see Delphy's big sticky over, I know you did how we'd get deleted, locked, banned etc. I noticed Christmas day he came here and was chatting. Here's the link to his post
http://forums.sims2community.com/showthread.php?t=31001

Hi All,

Recently there have been multiple threads regarding paysites, and included therein are sites that re-distribute files without the content creators consent.

This issue (and that about paysites) gets talked about all the damn time, with thread after thread after thread about it - and frankly, I'm getting tired of beating people over the head, so the buck stops here and now.

Anyone posting links or in a thread about anyone redistributing content - pay or otherwise - against the creators wishes or their terms of use will be warned for advocation of theft of intellectual property. Some of you are very vocal on this topic, but honestly, get over it. We don't care what you think certain EULAs state - we do not tolerate that sort of thing here.

This forum is not your own personal soapbox. No matter what you think, you have no rights over distributing anybody elses content, nor can you use this site to promote any site that does. As a community we can discuss the ethics of why things are the way they are, but as a site we do not encourage filesharing and we respect the wishes of individual creators.

* If you post a thread about this topic, you will be warned.
* If you post a link to sites that promote this topic, you will be warned.
* If you think we are all nazis and censoring you, you will be smacked upside the head becuase you have no rights here and future posting privileges are at the absolute discretion of the staff only.
* If you are able to discuss things in a manner that befits this site, then feel free to continue posting.
* If you see a thread on this topic, report it. Do not post in it saying "I don't think this is allowed", just report the thing - thats what the button is there for.

Everybody else, carry on doing what you normally do.

Regards
Delphy
Last edited by Delphy : 12-15-2006 at 05:12 AM.
 
SO, guess if we dont discuss advocating or justifying file sharing or mention these sites he cant ban us or close topic?

[...]

Bethgael, thank you for taking the time to come here and explain this. I was flailing around and trying to explain copyright stuff on an earlier thread, but I'm not nearly so well versed as you are and I ended up mostly just flailing around. *g*

[bethgael]

lol I posted a link to this thread on S2C, but it got deleted.    You guys should really post some of this stuff in the paysites thread there.

Good fucking grief, Blue. Keeping an eye on flaming and what-have-you is one thing, but when did education become anathema?

PS Feel free to quote me, as she suggests.

Yeah. He. I did mean he. Really. *sigh* Almost midnight here.

Editing rather than doubleposting my own topic. Reading through the paysites thread now. This is hilarious:

12-15-2006, 06:53 AM    #80  
surelyfunke
 

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 12-15-2006, 06:56 AM  
Cynical Sim  
This message has been deleted by Delphy.  

Now where's that rollin' on the floor laughing 'till you're blue smilie when you need it?  :lol:

[Quorneater]

SO, guess if we dont discuss advocating or justifying file sharing or mention these sites he cant ban us or close topic?

Won't, not can't.

[Soup Parrot]

I cant find the thread where you all here at the site were doing hair comparison between poser models and Rose and Peggy. Can someone point me there.

I  want to to put some Poser artists EULAS up, I will post these here, so everyone can read. Looking through some zips.BRB

PS I dont know  if this will work maybe I will write Delphy privately about some issues, and see if we can discuss them there, AS long as we agree not to mention this site or advocate file "sharing". What do you think?

[tIIsuggas]

The hair comparisons were done in this thread.

http://forums.sims2community.com/showthread.php?t=30984

Post number 312 is where comparisons start.

[LesserOr]

I have had some trouble trying to explain this to mesh makers (who pm'd me on another site), because of the insistence that they should be rewarded for their work.

I will exercise my amazing psychic powers.

They:

1. Don't understand that a .package is different than a .jpg (I often think because all the coding work was done for them.)
When it's explained, they brush it off by saying "that's stupid" or "Well anyway, that doesn't matter, because-".

2. Think that EA's copyright can't possibly overrule their nebulous rights because:
A.) EA is their bestest friend and would of course support Artists by giving them anything they want!
B.) EA is a big evil corporation and they are raging against the machine and the raping of the glory that was the Sims until EA and/or Maxis destroyed it by coming out with ((Insert name of the latest expansion))!

3. Are immune to cognitive dissonance. Especially as it applies to claiming that EULAs aren't legally binding, while screaming that their TOS has been violated.
Bonus points if the creation loudly in question is photoskinned from a brand name catalog, on top of a stolen mesh.

4. Only bother reading into copyright law up to the point that they think they've found proof for their argument. Even this is usually pre-chewed and misquoted.
When the problem(s) in their theory are pointed out, they cannot be held responsible, because they are not lawyers.
This is the ultimate defense, because if you Don't Understand hard enough, all problems disappear.

5. Never do more than click through the EULAs.
If they did, they'd realize that EA could, according to what they agreed, scoop up all their content and slap it into an expansion. Without having to warn players to keep it off fat sims.
Of course EA wouldn't commit suicide in such a colorful way, but if these creators knew EA could, they'd dissolve into vapors.


It's largely hopeless, because the ones who argue are either willfully ignorant or have entitlement issues.
The deeper in they get, the more stubborn they become, because they can't possibly be wrong. If they were wrong, they'd have to stop what they were doing.
And that would be bloggable tragedy.

[Soup Parrot]

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[bethgael]

I am in the process of composing a lengthy reply at S2C, so thatnks for posting that; it saves me from looking it up!  :lol:

[Soup Parrot]

Poserpros is owned by DAz3d so Im pretty sure its the same as above.
Here is from Renderosity. i think its old. There are different rules for certain things.

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read this thread:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2675662

[stim]

Anyways what you didnt understand was I was saying that fear went through all sites, whether item was free or pay fear of being sued changed  how everything was done, severely.

No, no, I understood you. And I didn't think you thought all third party work was stolen either. I think something got lost between my brain to fingers though, sorry about that. Painkillers, blah.

I was trying to explain that while being sued might be a big fear, it really shouldn't effect free sites because they'd have to get those cease & desist orders. They don't have to worry about residuals in paying for licensing for registered trademarks and such from corporations such as Disney. Paysites, however, have a lot to fear over that because they are profiting from something that under no interpretation of the law is theirs. Free sites are fine because if they get the C&D, they just remove stuff.

[Soup Parrot]

Stim  thats ok.

I was going to post then, Ive held off Blue, because I've taken another course of action, as soon as they get back to me, I will explain. But i was just checking Rose was affected by the earthquake too.

[bethgael]

Argh!!! I just spent a good 45 minutes typing in a measured, good response only to find when I hit submit that I'd been logged out of the site in the meantime. I usually hit ctrl-C before hitting post, but forgot (it *is* almost new year here).

Stupid fragging site. Hitting "back" should have worked.

Will try again when less irritated.  :?

[Soup Parrot]

Geesh Delphy their discussing crack for pirated photoshop over here http://forums.sims2community.com/showthread.php?p=713463