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151  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 03, 08:31:32
I cannot see the point in offering to pay for a month's hosting.  The hosting company are not obliged to honour any agreement "walt" might make with us.  They may choose not to deal with us.    For all we know K&E didn't pay them for months and they could be intending to pull the plug tomorrow.

IMHO the concept of paying $500 for we don't know what is intensely naive.

What if "walt" agrees to those terms?  I am certainly not going to donate towards something we didn't need in the first place.
152  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 03, 08:25:49
I know I'm probably about 12

Not a good way to start a post on here Tongue
153  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 22:43:56
We already donated enough to cover all the costs to date.  I suggest no one parts with a further penny.
154  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 22:05:01
I wish this idiot would hurry up and just give in already. I really need an updated version of insim.

Surely someone will send it to you?  It's not like anyone's gonna be bothered about Eric's "sharing policy" any more.
155  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 21:47:16
As long as it gets a new name.  It's not all about Eric and his grudgingly-updated-when-it-was-updated-at-all hack any more...
156  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 20:46:24
I know Alex, but what if Walt/Eric/Kathy feel all smug turning down the offer instead of realising it was a joke?   I cringe every time I think that *he* thinks he's got any ground.  There's principles here!  Cheesy

And more seriously, what if some of the less shrewd more generous users did think Pescado was serious and started piling in the donations?  The thought that Walt/Kathy/Eric might get the money they're after turns my stomach.
157  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 20:05:21
I still think you guys should look at building up Sim Oasis if it's possible and if you don't hate the idea.. it seems to be developing to be a really nice site.

I think it's by no means certain that all the staff and creators are going to want to stay on board an InSimenator clone that has been, however kindly and hands-offly, set up by Pescado or Delphy.  I think some of them have already decided to do their own thing.
158  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 19:54:23
Walt owns the server

He does not!  He already said he was intending to change to a new one soon, which probably means the hosting agreement is not even going to be transferred to him.  There is no reason the hosting company would just accept any old tom dick or harry coming along and saying "well HELLO hosting company, you're now dealing with me, cos Eric said so!"  The contract a hosting company sets up is with an individual or with a company - a proper company.  Walt would have had to take out a new hosting account even if he used the same hosting company.
159  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 19:32:35
Sherry we already paid for several months of that server!  I can't prevent folks doing what they will, but if anyone gives Walt (or whoever has their hand up his ass) money to pay for it all over again, I shall be sick as a parrot!
160  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 19:13:42

In this case, we are not buying a "site", we are simply buying the domain and server, which he DOES control. If he refuses to relinquish them, then he will be left holding the bag. I am quite firm in that I refuse to permit the paying of a single penny for the "site". Only for the domain and server: Real, legitimate costs OF the site, but not the site itself.

Please see my recent edits to my post.  In summary, we already paid for the domain and server costs for the month.  K&E stole them from us and sold the stolen resources to Walt.  We really don't want to disgrace ourselves by even considering buying OUR goods back again.
161  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 19:08:21
Finally, as others have mentioned, I would like to know Walt's asking price, even though I don't think there is any way in hell we should pay him anything.   

I'll tell you why not - it's because it's not his to sell.  The site (not the domain name and not the server) belongs to yours and my friends in the community.  It's completely unseemly to even *discuss* purchasing it.   Furthermore, *we* paid for the server, *we* paid for the domain name.  They were not Kathy and Eric's to sell, and they are not Walt's now.   He is trying to sell stolen good back to their rightful owners and I shall be disgusted if anyone goes along with it.
162  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 18:51:23
Proving, once more, that he didn't read the fricking EULA before coughing up the cash. K&E really found a good target for their con.

I am still not entirely sure Walt is not K or E or a friend of theirs.  In which case it is still US who are being conned.  I say we don't engage with this guy/woman at all.  Just delete all the stuff and leave.
163  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 18:48:40
Quinctia, there will be loads of young users who think Pescado is seriously trying to buy it from Walt and their donations will come flooding in.  There are still Paypal buttons up at the site.
164  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 18:44:39
I think a fresh start, masterminded by the existing staff and creators of insim would be very good for the soul.  They can have donation drives themselves to pay for their space, can't they?  Why should *any* money find its way back into Walt's pocket under any guise at all?  The problem is between him and K&E we don't have to engage him in any interaction whatsoever.  Almost all the creators have their files safe even before Pescado's assault, and the conversations and games can start up again anywhere.  It's not necessary to store old conversations and games forever.

This isn't trying to say D or P shouldn't be involved, I am just saying there is NO way anyone needs to deal with Walt even as a last resort
165  The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Re: Insim under new management! on: 2008 December 02, 18:31:21
How do you know he owns a server?  It's probably just one of those dedicated hosting deals, not a colocation.
We know it is. But he "owns" the server in that he paid for a month or so of the bill. We estimate this at a maximum of $500 (probably less), and I demand to see a receipt. Publicly. He also has a domain, DNS renewal is on the order of $10/yr. Total offer: $520, tops, pending receipt. Which I will audit with all the explicit miserliness you know I'm good for. And absolutely no "transfer fee" tricks, either.

But it doesn't need to be that expensive!  Almost all the creators have been offered space elsewhere FREE!  All the old members need now is somewhere (like Oasis could be) where the same community can meet and chat and have their competitions and games like they used to.  Only the Adult stuff remains to be successfully homed.    We don't need to maintain this high-maintenance high-cost model.
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