Having said that and taking full responsibility for my error:

[.. monkey quote ...]

* It is to me.
* How do you know? Evidence from coconut suggests otherwise. 
* I did not realize there was a statute of limitations on being horrible and lacking any remorse.  That is the thing-there is NO remorse from most people involved in that thread.  We had one former FA come here and apologize for her part in it.  Thomas and Blackgarden apparently do not care at all because they CONTINUE to do the same type of thing. 

You are not the only one who feels her efforts at correcting others are being wasted. 

* Private forums are actually private - the fact that I could read any of it means it's not, in fact, private. Unless you're saying I am an FA, that's not a private forum - and that has been acknowledged by TSR on their front page - to calm the sheep about screenshots released.
* Do you have proof that it's from their profile - you show me yours and then I'll show you mine. If not, do you think it's OK to keep repeating that as a fact?
* Habitat shared information in June 2008.  Coconut says they are still doing it. BlackGarden is still wrong, and certainly should have learned from the information being revealed again - and didn't edit out the phone number after ulkrhsn threatened to phone her - so still culpable because she obviously approves.

What I'm saying, in essence:

* Not to you perhaps.  
* Where's your proof they got it solely from profiles?  They didn't stop at jassims' TSR profile. And an overt threat was made by an FA.
* Everything is not okay because it's a long time ago, and it was still going on in June of this year, as well as BlackGarden did what she did in the last couple of weeks.

I still want to know what exactly are you defending here.  The actual sharing of easy to get information or the fact that it was posted on the FA forum or what?

ETA:


Yes, you were being nasty.  I was not.  So there.    <---I put a smilie so that should make it all better.

Oversimplifying and being completely wrong are two different things.  Did I over simplyfy? Absolutely.  Can you directly get someone's information just by plugging in an IP addy? Nope.  Better, now?

ETA Part 2  I take it back. You are right. You can start with an IP and if you are smart enough and you bother to do some detective work, you can find someone.  I don't think Blackgarden is smart enough for that. 

Putting a stupid winky thing at the end of your post doesn't negate your nasty attitude, you know. 

And you did not address the real points of any of our posts.  All you did was catch me on a technicality of oversimplification.  What difference in the real world? TSR is not the fucking real world.  It is far more insular than this place. What do you need that information for?   What the heck are you even talking about?

Also in the real world, I get to choose who has access to my home address, my phone number, my full name.  The people I work with may know my full name, but they don't know my phone number or where I live.  They certainly don't get the chance to advertise it no people who would use it to harass me.  The ones who DO have access to that information can not give that info out due to privacy concerns. 

It should work the exact same way with the information I give to sign up for forums. 

Sorry - but in the -real world- there is no justification for doing that either.  Do you know why?  Because in the real world, there is something called identity -theft-  Not to mention credit card fraud, stalking, kidnapping, etc.

And if you'd ever had someone use -your- credit card, or -your- identity, you wouldn't say something so fucking stupid.

Yup, its sunday.

So, potentially is the FA forum - they vet FAs for creation abilities, not (quite obviously) moral character.  So the FA forum doesn't really vet who gets to see the information, nor their motivations for seeing it - otherwise coconut's screenshots wouldn't exist, now would they? Hardly more secure than Sharkbait.

And from your IP it would be relatively easy to find your address for absolutely free, and from there a reverse directory search for a couple of dollars.  Totally available - and I'm sure you'd love it.  Why not just publish your own IP - it's right there next to "report to moderator" - just cut and paste if you don't have a problem with information available from various sites passed around.  

The original threat ie email, was made by habitat 43.  Which at that point wasn't a TSR threat.  Birgit then turned up in the TSR secret forum giving the information to Thomas, it made it onto the TSR wall of shame list, which then made it a TSR problem.


ETA The fact is that you don't have to be a member of TSR to have your information shared by TSR.

No, you are right, it doesn't work exactly that way.  I was simplyfying-oversimplyfying perhaps.  And I have no doubt that Pescado could find out if he really wanted to.  But the point is that we don't do things like that. 

Why do I have PM's from Anita that give personal information about TSR users?  She is still there and I am sure she still does things like that.  Why are TSR FA's posting this stuff in the first place?  Not just to ban an IP addy.  Not just to ban a user-all you would need to discuss is the user name.  There is NO GOOD reason to post people's names, addresses and phone numbers.  Why do you need that information unless you mean to harass that person?

Are you an FA from TSR?  Are you Thomass or Atwat? Enquiring minds want to know.

I actually do have a clue.  The paypal bit comes about from the direct threat at the beginning of this thread in an email to share paypal details with greedy paysite owners.  The threat was actually acted on.  Yes I agree some of the names could have come from member database, but using that is also wrong.  So is that all the options of TSR doing wrong used up.  I really think there is far to much evidence of the wrong doing for any of us to be called out on it at this point.  There is no defence of the TSR to be had here or anywhere else. 

The information is also available when you sign up as a member.  They ask for name, address etc.  Some people wouldn't give them that info but, some people do.  That info is given freely to them.  So it would be perfectly ok to use that information to out people.  Wouldn't it?  The correct answer to that is omg no by the way.  I think all the dangers of what they do have already been pointed out.  This time the information was gathered from whois, they have already done the paypal bit, what other methods are they willing to use.  We already know TSR would do anything no matter how underhand, they have no clue about morals.

The point isn't about whether the information is available or not. The point is that regardless of who's information you're sharing this should NOT be done an a phorum where every 12 year old with a grudge can harass  someone.

Furthermore, this whole topic was just an idiotic attempt by the morons at TSR to "feed" us someone they thought we would damage. We do have moral standards and we destroy paysites not people. And by the way giving someone's personal info (even their damned phonenumber!) over the intrawebs makes you less than scum.

Wait - didn't they share -more- of jassims stuff than the others?  And this time not because she was a pirate, but just because someone didn't like her or her things?