PMBD

Yes, but souls aren't really worth much anyway. 

I am looking forward to the annual baby roast.  I still haven't gotten my invitation.

Y'all ain't getting mah cheezy poofs.

That is because we have yet to find a faffy artiste to make us a sim-baby-roaster, and with the age of TS2 drawing to a close, it's a bit late for that.

I'll make it if you mod it.

I'll make a texture and do a bunch of recolors.

You have to have one to sell one....

Would this object just be for our viewing pleasure? Or would you be able to roast actual Sim babies?

I derive no pleasure from mere viewing. It must therefore be functional. And actually roast babies. Furthermore, the timetable for baby-roasting is limited. We have about 2 weeks if we want this to make it to the MTS2 challenge, and not much longer if we want to make it while TS2 is still relevant. I suggest those SERIOUSLY interested therefore coordinate live in #grah, as forum response times are far too slow to get anything done in a timeframe which amounts to "yesterday".

Here's the basics:
1. We need an object mesh, probably animateable, that allows a baby to be placed upon it. A crib-type object is probably a good starting base.
2. It then needs to animate with roasting. Fire effects are easily attachable if a slot is provided for it, someplace below the roasting surface.
3. We must then have a "roasted" baby serving platter, which functions as a custom food-like object from which sims may draw forth plates of roasted baby.

Naturally, I can code all this if someone can mesh, texture, and animate it. But it has to happen soon!

I'm out if it's grah thingie. I don't do chat.

Ya'll are some seriously scary people sometimes.  ;)  I prefer cheezy poofs myself- even walked a mile each way to the gas station tonight to get some.     Ok, ok, I got more than that, but I made sure I got my poofs!

Also, someone should warn peoples when they move something. I thought I was losing it, I knew I'd seen this before. Then I realized someone (Pescado?!) moved it from one thread to it's own. Don't do that!  :P

Yeah, well, considering that the response times on a forum run in the minutes-to-hours-or-more range, it's not exactly a suitable venue for coordinating anything.

I agree - I just can't give my life into chat.  It's a time waster for me, and leads to badness. 

I'm not sure "showing up to coordinate one project" counts as "giving your life to chat". As an example, this conversation could have been completed in about 5 seconds using a real-time channel instead of a forum.

Installing stuff like that inevitably leads to how about I check this today, and the next 9 hours magically disappear.  So I don't do it at all because I know I'll be tempted.  And while this may have taken 5 seconds in chat, I have used this time productively elsewhere. :)

Huh? Check WHAT? There's nothing to check. Did you spend your time "productively" thinking of utter nonsense, Stupid Calalily? Because that's what it LOOKS like.

nah, agree with Cala.. any form of chat or im can be a total energy sucker. The next four hours of your life can commonly dissapear.

Check chat rooms relevant to my interests unrelated to PMBD baby roasts.  I whiled away many an hour on S2C chat which could have been used productively.  Once in a chat, I cannot bring myself to look away, and since I never shut up, I give up only when my fingers are tired.  They are much better off getting tired via thesis.

I'm not sure how that follows. If you don't want to, why would you do that? That wasn't included in the instructions. You don't have to use it at all once dismissed. Or install anything. You can just use the one at http://www.mibbit.com

Also, death to Calalily.

Pescado, it's just the way it is.. chat involves catch up and other discussion not involved with the task. It's jsut the done thing. ;)

Pescado either may enjoy whittling away the hours in banter.. either that or he might be a get in and get it done person.. It's bad social ettiquette though. You need to have at least a little social banter with someone otherwise they're going to feel slightly used.

I do enjoy MSN/Yahoo chats a couple of times a week, I just need to build up my energy and do other things in the middle.

That's going to be hard to accomplish if you're in a private channel with just me screaming insults at you and you.

I am not an F, so I don't feel anything. Besides, I'm not sure how it's AGAINST anything. You are summoned to my office, debriefed and given new orders, and then you are dismissed. That is pretty standard. We are people with a mission here.

Totally - she can't control herself.  I can't shut up here, so the chance to do less shutting up is a killer for me.  I know my limits, and chat software and chat rooms are murder. I will however make your mesh, just will not make any excursion to grah - even through web browser.  The temptation to check would be too great, so I'm not going to do that either.  Since I can be found here while not sleeping, and talk in between doing stuff, if I could control myself then this is as good as you would get in grah anyway.

All that time I was prodding my memory - we can also use bootsbrisket's baby table for display. http://www.modthesims2.com/download.php?t=51007


Stopping meshing to read insults is counterproductive.

Yep, but most other people do feel stuff which is why chats usually take a while. Which is why if you don't have the time it can take more energy than it's worth at times.

And it's hard to give orders when you're not paying anyone and the whole thing is voluntary. People are likely to just laugh unless they feel like doing what you need them to do.

Now, I'm going to go ahead and assume you aren't going to waste more time arguing with me about what I will not do anyway, and make me get my arse into gear.

I thought not only a roast, but also baby in a pot:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/7/74/Kaeden_sm.jpg/100px-Kaeden_sm.jpg

I can't seem to find any standard "baby roasting" pictures - so would a simple barbeque type implement be satisfactory?

http://stevegarufi.com/barbeque1.jpg

Will you need me to pull animations when cloning?

Well, we need some kind of barbecue implement, in which a baby can be placed. So I suggest one of the crib redone so that the mesh functions both as a crib and a hooded grill.

Yep - no problem - cloned and about to be meshed.  Is that bbq picture satisfactory? The baby in a pot will be based on the high chair - that way the baby will sit in it.

If you still need help with textures, I'll gladly put my name in the hat.  This is the most horrible, wonderful thing I've ever heard of.  LOL!

This was borne of Darqstar's mention, so you should ask her what needs doing. :D I will be happy there's no recolouring involved.  ;D

Okay. Grill for approval:

(http://i40.tinypic.com/o056hc.jpg)

I will be meantime working on baby in a pot.

I don't think the pot idea is quite as viable, but the barbecue should work. I suggest the larger 2-tile grill, though, as they come with a lid large enough to enclose the resulting baby. The object must also simultaneously function as a barbecue grill, so you should be able to apply the same GMDC/GMND/CRES/SHPE thing to either object and it should work.

Okay, will skip the pot.  I haven't mapped or regrouped that - I just want to know if it's what you want right now.

Also, for GUIDs, don't bother registering or using GUIDs with SimPE: I will use my own, just throw in some random crap as a placeholder. Like 0xDEADBEEF or something.

Okay, that's fine will just import the mesh - or I can send you the mesh alone, so that you can do the package magic.  As for the object itself, do you want the slot for the baby to be based on the cot, or based on the basegame bbq grill - that will make a difference as to height. 

And is that looking like what you want? The top bit will be a grill texture with a charbox underneath with a bit for coal texture.

Import it as an object so you can test it! You should end up creating two "Versions", both with placeholder GUIDs instead of "Real" ones. Test to see that the object can, without any modification to the slottages and whatnot, function as both a grill and a crib without weird animation issues.

Okay - will test it - that's no problem.  But the question still remains of basing it on height - do you want me to base it on the crib for height?

That is not an issue I am personally acquainted with. Use whatever height makes the object FUNCTION when it is both a grill and a crib! Remember, QUALITY. I will scrap the project rather than accept a flawed item. Accept no Kewian-based substitutes!

The grill and the crib have different heights. This can easily be fixed by either by moving the slots in the crib (which I am not yet expert enough to do) or it can be fixed by adding the baby sleep animation to the grill (again - the modding is your bit).

Observe the height difference:

(http://i42.tinypic.com/307ni2a.jpg)

That makes a difference in the mesh - it cannot be based on both packages, and yet be one package. That's not how it works.  You can choose ways to do it, but before I can map or do anything, I need to know height because it effects the mapping.

I am not particularly well-acquainted with slotism. or how it works. How does the changing table height compare to grill height?

Grill is good with changetable - so I'll base it on the changetable and have it mapped and ready for you sometime tomorrow. :)

Wow, the things I miss by having the nerve to go to sleep at night!  Yes, I'm still willing to texture the baby roaster, I just need something to start with.  How fancy the texture will be determined by how well the thing is mapped. 

Are people going to want this thing to look old and charred or new and shiny?  Or, possibly both?

Pescado says never sleep, but I can't master it.  :D

I promise I will map well master, and will remap if needed. Once I have a map, I'll do a crap floodfill to show you which bits are which, as well as including the bare map. :) As for texturing, I shall leave that up to you. :D 

I wish I could just say "Screw sleep."  When I was younger, I'd do that, but eventually, it would catch up and fall asleep for several hours.   ;D 



Yeah, I came across a bit smarmy, didn't I?  I'm sorry for that.  It's just that I used to have people sending me stuff to recolor, custom meshes, and making ridiculous requests.  "I want the handles in purple, the top to be blue, preferably with a pattern of dancing, masturbating, monkeys, the legs to be one silver, one red, one pink, and one to have vines climbing up it.  The silver leg should have some claw marks in it, like a cat clawed it.  But not too many!   And I'd have to explain, "Uhm, that's going to be very hard to do, if all their map is one big texture."  Which, many times, it is, or else it's two simple ones, like in a glass and metal table, one for the legs, one for the top. 

But you're a excellent mesher, so of course you know about map difficulties.  Again, sorry to sound like I was being smarmy. 

FYI, I have a doctor's appointment in a  bit, and I wouldn't be surprised if I'm at the hospital overnight for "tests"  (Because my doctor will slam me overnight in the hospital for tests if I sneeze, and paranoid husband goes right along with it.)  So, if the texture has to be done today, there is probably not a chance.  But by tomorrow, I should have the time to do it. 

:D I was being sincere - I will do whatever it takes not to have to texture. :P I haven't even finished or tested in game yet.  So all is well - on my tomorrow. :)

Edit: Okay, I need to stop now, but how does this look?

(http://i40.tinypic.com/14xglfc.jpg)

Question: will this really be submitted to the creator challenge? If so, do you all expect it to get accepted?

... just asking. Slightly scary project you've got going, I love it - goes along with the head cages from GOS the other week.

Yes, we intend to do so. And I'm prepared to twist some arms to see to it that it does.

Oh, and see to it that it also simultaneously functions as a REGULAR grill. In addition to babies.

I don't see why they would refuse acceptance.  


It's not as if it's not up to standard either - so I don't think it wouldn't be accepted on the basis of crappiness.  Maybe they wouldn't want it in the creator challenge, but their words are kind of vague, and it fits the general description.  HP made a "cooking kid" sack too for a baby as a joke - so I don't think they'd find it too distasteful.  I think it's funny.  

Of course, if MTS2 did reject it, I would put it on my site, and I'm sure Pescado would post it - and recolourers would have their options to host it too (freesites only is my only limitation, while Pescado I know doesn't care).


Is this for me? I cannot do this Pescado - it has to be based on one package, and if you want it to be grill-like and baby accomodating, you need to mod it. I brought skills of an artist - modding is your job - importing semi-globals and such.  This is the stuff of my nightmares.

Just curious: is this going to be coded so that the baby actually dies/disappears from the family when you roast it? Or is it just going to be a joke, where the baby gets stuck in it and psuedo-lit on fire, but actually survives?

Either way, if this pans out, I'm super-interested in seeing how it works. </nerd>

Your job is to make sure the slot and bone crap lines up, so make sure the item can be cloned and used as a grill, then apply the same mesh to the changing table. You should end up wit two test items, one of each. I will then merge their functionalities.

While they are the same height, they do not sit in the same position in the meshing program. Nor will they, even if I move one of them "back" - it will end up like Snarky's couch, unless you have plans or contingencies.  Wouldn't it be easier (and I'm just starting to read about these things so I only have a slight understanding) to import the semi globals into the object itself, so that it functions both as a change table/crib and as a barbeque?

That's what will happen AFTER you perform this first step. Work something out. Play with the slottages until the item functions as both.

Heh, they didn't make me spend the night at the hospital.  But I do have to go for a couple "tests" tomorrow.  :P 

But, I like the look of the table and that should be pretty easy to textureize. 

The other stuff?  Calalily and Pescado, you two have to fight that one out, I don't have a clue how any of that stuff works.   ;D

I've only messed with slots once, when trying to make a three shelved knickknack thingie.  I gave up when I couldn't add a third shelf level.   I know there is a really good tutorial over on MTS2.  I'd offer to help, but there is a fairly decent chance this will be my last check in this year.  In the middle of moving and if things go right, I might not have internet or a computer hooked up til friday morning.

The grill is looking really good though, can't wait for the baby roaster.

Ok, this is both a disturbing yet fantastic idea!! I love it, and it's something I might actualy use in my game. I can't wait to see this finished.  ;D
Well done.

I was wondering that myself...  :P
Anyhow, this is a great idea. I, too, can hardly wait to see the final product.

I hope it really grills delishis babby. I want to make a babby farm, which will sell roast babbys to the neighborhood at holiday times.

While I've never changed the routing slots on an object, I don't know if they differ greatly from container slots, they are controlled in the CRES.  My windows partition is gone, so this is going by memory right now.  But  I believe for the height change, in 3D Editor, Y goes up/down, but in the game  Z goes up/down.  X is X in both.  Basically Y and Z are swapped.  To change the height you need the distance from the existing point to the new height, then add it to the original.

I wish I could remember where I had seen the information, but also positive/negative relate to a specific direction.  I'm thinking adding to a number would move your object towards you or to the right, whereas negative would move away or to the left.  I will go search for where I had seen that.  :P

My dealio was I'll make it, if you mod it.  Slots are under modding objects tutorials at MTS2.  I count this as modding. Slot playage is your dealie, unless you'd like to wait until Sims 43 comes out for me to do it right, I suggest you do it.  I will make both packages then - one based on the changetable, and one based on the grill. 


I'm also meshing the delishis baby - I only have the prep stage done so far.

There's no prep stage: This is a grillfood, it just pulls out of the grill complete as roast babby.

Oh okay - I wasn't thinking and cloned the turkey.  I presume that I can clone hotdogs?

Probably.

So!

I was thinking, maybe we could call it "A Modest Roaster" or something similar and work this into the item description:

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled ...

Maybe along the lines of:
"I have been assured by a very knowing Sim of my acquaintance in (insert neighborhood name of choice), that a young healthy child well nursed is a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, baked, boiled, or ROASTED..."

(Link (http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html) for anyone who has no idea where I'm getting this from.)

I've been calling it the babyque.  :D But I need wording for the catalogue, so I will include that.

I have staff working on that already, so don't worry about it. We prefer to go with the HOW IS BABBY FORMED joke.

Staff from where?

...babyque.

I love you people.

This is the funniest thing I have read in a while. I can't wait to see how it turns out.

The only time I have succeeded in adding slots to anything I used fisheeyes tutorial on MTS2 (http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=143252) - don't know if it will help you or not Calalily  ;D

Slotting is not my business - but I may use that someday.  :-*

That makes no sense in this context, and is like two years old, and this thread is entitled "PMBD Baby Roast," but okay!

Jonathan Swift was far wittier than any "staff" you may have, Pescado. Whatever, I can change it myself once I download it.

Yes, but you will see. Plus, you suck.

DIE, SOUPER.

I'm not doing a damn thing to carry this forward until I know, and until I have a clue as to who this nebulous "staff" is.

The people in grah, obviously. The ones you refuse to actually come and talk to, you know, the people I can actually get a response in a reasonable timeframe out of.

I told you why, I'm not going to reiterate it.  And since *I* have been replying to your posts extremely quickly, but then waiting on *you* I don't see how this is unreasonable.  The people in grah are not here, nor do I know any more about "people in grah" than I know about "staff".  I don't intend to do all this, and be patted on the head, told to fuck off and then everyone else gets to decide what to do.  DEATH TO CALALILY! didn't come about because I'm known for doing as I'm told, or as you wish me to.

But obviously, not the ones who want to make it, right?  Like Calilily, I'm not keen on being treated like slave labor while you and your "staff" get to override anything we do or say.  I thought this was a PMBD group effort, not a  Grah cracks the whip, so we make the trip, project.

 


I'm with you Calalily.  Sorry I wasn't on earlier to support you on this, but you know why.  I admit, my role as a texturer is limited, but I'm not going to work on this until I know if it's the PMBD baby roaster or the Grah Baby Roaster  made in PMBD.

I want to ask,but I really don't want to know.I'll just bring the BBQ sauce. ;D

Right now, everything seems to be on hold.  However, I know some people have expressed an interest in texture work and I don't see any reason why we couldn't have multiple recolors for this object (again, based on if it's going to even happen)  I plan on trying for a brushed metal look, but BBQ's come in all colors now, so there is room for other recolorists to take part in this too.

Although, I'm starting to wonder if this whole project is going down the drain. 

Also, Quinctia, I loved your description.  If there is any democracy left in this project, that's where I cast my vote.

For some reason, I don't think Pescado understands democracy when it comes to projects.  :P

Calalily rocks.

Also, Pescado likes non sequiter retorts.

Well, then he might end up having to mesh and texture this himself. Or, find people at Grah that can do it.  I thought this was going to be a PMBD project, not a Grah project, not a MATY project.  And I never would have agreed if I knew it was going to be  Pescado and "Staff" making all the rules.

Warning: pointless post ahead.
I'm farting hearts for Darq and Cala right now. It's actually nice to see people stand up for themselves once in a while. I agree that if you're going to do the work, you should pull the strings. I'm not good on the creating end, so can I just follow you two around and shine your shoes and stuff? ;D

I wear sneakers.

But I am also easily bribed with Diet Pepsi.   ;D

Darqstar also rocks, though Diet Pepsi is yucky :P.

What?  You dare to mock the beverage of the GODS?  ;D   I figure with the amount I drink, if I get in an accident and lose a lot of blood, they can just pump diet pepsi in my veins and I'll be just fine!

On the rare occasions when I order pop a carbonated beverage, I can never bring myself to order diet. It just tastes so...odd. And flat. I'd rather have the sickly sweetness of regular Pepsi/Coke.

I often get faint from having too much blood in my coffee stream, however, so I can't talk much about unusual beverage cravings.

Ha ha, yeah, same here. I hardly ever drink water...mostly Diet Pepsi. Diet Coke has a cloying aftertaste. Blech.

I am unsurprised to discover my belief that the lot of you are feckless incompetents has been validated yet again. Is it any surprise that I chose to pick people who would bother to actually appear on time over those who stubbornly refuse to do anything other than pretending to work? The fact of the matter is that until you ACTUALLY FINISH SOMETHING, I will CONTINUE to see the lot of you as feckless incompetents and will CONTINUE to favor those who have ACTUALLY DONE WORK. Period.

A non sequitur. Again. This time, formed as an insult in an attempt to weasel out of actually answering some very simple questions.

Hey now, I wrote found a tongue-in-cheek classic blurb.  Totally finished.

You want to name the thing something along the lines of "All Your Baby Are Belong to Us."  Lame.  :(

(I'm not joking about that babby being formed (http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/yahoo-answers-revisited.php) joke being old meme.)  I know you codgy old farts aren't very open to change, but one would think you'd prefer the thing from a couple centuries ago!

Agreed - if the people in grah were actually doing anything, then they should be doing the texturing and meshing, rather than believing that we would sign up for the "PMBD baby roast" and let nebulous staff do everything but the hard work.


Meanwhile, I am unsurprised that you are still persisting to ignore my questions.  You still haven't answered my questions, mainly because those answers will just confirm what I've said I won't participate in - namely people who do nothing whatsoever - and nothing to do with PMBD - calling the shots. You said you couldn't get the faffy artiste to create it, and it's such a shame you found one at PMBD who wasn't going to give it over to people who have nothing to do with any of this. Colour me unsurprised that no person from PMBD who participates here has piped up to say that they were saying such and such in grah. You don't want a faffy artiste - you want a workhorse with no sense of pride and fairness who'll let you and people in grah run roughshod over them. 

As for work, the only bloody person who has done any work whatsoever is me.  You haven't coded anything because I haven't sent you the files, and you can't be telling me that you got someone to mesh the food - particularly as you haven't also gotten them to mesh this project. And if you do, I look forward to downloading this - I don't actually have to do any work at all, and you can pack all the people not doing work but discussing it into the project as much as you like. I however, took you at your descriptor - that this would be a PMBD project - not one transplanted without control as if it is the brainchild and hard work of a different group of people. 

Your people who "appear on time" - where are their mesh tips? Where are their UV maps? Where is the coding on the non-released package files? The people who appeared on time haven't done a damn thing, except try to put their oars in as if they had anything whatsoever to do with this.

As for feckless incompetents - it is you who have failed us Pescado - you found nothing but people doing the actual work here, and you think to take it from them and dump it in the hands of some people who have done nothing whatsoever, except discuss how they'd like to contribute their way of doing something to something someone else has made. Not actual work mind you, but telling me and the rest of us how it should all be done, as if their opinion matters.  Constructing the catalogue description - surely the pinnacle of object creation  ::) - takes them a lot of hard work - all that typing, clicking commit and saving.  If you weren't surrounded by feckless incompetents, I would have downloaded the grah baby roaster ages ago. 

And if you believe, as the last bastion that if I came to grah I would be more likely to do what the people there say, you can just forget that idea.  I could sit in there until the sun explodes, and I'm not going to let your feckless incompetents treat me like a servant, nor the people here doing the work and getting involved like scum.

In fact, on the practical side, from what I've been reading about modding objects, groups in the mesh make all of the difference to the mod - you need to add extra groups to the mesh for the semi globals to work - so the groups need to be decided after the modding for this to work at all.  So before I regroup, I would have to send you the files without the new mesh, let you mod it, and then import the right groups to the mesh. So if you think you could take the raw mesh off my hands and do whatever the fuck you feel like, looks like that isn't going to happen that way either.

It is all hanging on you now - this decision is now yours.  I've sent the UV maps and temporary texture to Darqstar, and if naceygirl shows up again, and still wants to participate, I will pass them on to her as well - as well as anyone else from PMBD who wants to contribute.  So that's already under control. I will send you the raw files sans mesh, and then once you've modded it, I will import the groups and test it.  If you choose not to even vaguely acknowledge that you want those packages, then this failure and incompetence is all yours.

You don't seem to be listening. Who said they were calling the shots? I am clearly calling the shots here.

No, I want people who will do the work in a timely fashion so we can proceed on schedule. I have therefore chosen from the pool of reliable people who I can count on to produce results. That is exactly what I want, and expect: Workhorses. You should know by now that I value reliability. You have offered none of this. As for pride, pride in a job that is complete. You have not done this, either. Let's just say there is a REASON I typically regard your kind as "faffy artistes". It is not a compliment. It is because you people have traditionally been completely unreliable.

You still don't seem to get it. I have given YOU the opportunity to prove you can do that part. You, however, have not, instead complaining about how I have chosen others to contribute other parts of the project.

None of this has started yet, because A: You haven't finished the part of the process that proves you are actually serious, because, as I fully expected, you are unreliable.

I see no work. You appear to simply be a troublesome worker who drops all of the parts you are to assemble, stalling the line: A faffy artiste.

Clearly, you don't understand how an assembly line process works.

Maybe, except for your complete and utter failure to produce usable output. You have no one to blame for that but yourself. Since you have failed to produce any output, I see no reason why you should expect anyone else in the chain to be able to produce anything from your non-output.

Who said anything about doing what people there say? You'd be showing up to do what *I* say. What part of this do you not understand?

This may be so. If so, had you done what was requested, we would have two samples of the same mesh functioning as one or the other, and we would then figure out how to merge them, or get back to you with any questions.

That makes no sense at all. I have already explicitly stated what the objectives are. What about them do you not understand?

You are welcome to send them. If you have them. However, I do not believe they exist. I have seen nothing but empty lies, propaganda, and blather, and have more relevant matters to worry about. It comes down to the fact that you CLAIM you have them, and based on the available evidence, I have no reason to believe this and have neither time nor interest to entertain this nonsense. As the saying goes, "shit or get off the pot". If I check back later and do not see that you have produced the output necessary to proceed, I will be forced to conclude that it simply does not exist, and will declare this matter closed.

If you want to say that about me, that's fine, although I haven't even "pretended" to work.  I just got the map yesterday night.  I was out yesterday durring the day.  When I came home, I found out this project is up in the air, because you have decided to turn PMBD into a factory where you're the overseer and any idiot who can stumble his or her way into grah is is manager.  

But you have no right at all to accuse anyone else of not working.  Calalily has show you pictures of the mesh.  Quincta wrote up the blurb for the item, completely on her own, only to have you stomp on it. Nacegirl offered to help with the texturing too, and she can't be blamed, because she doesn't even have a texture map to work with.

 
What have they done?  Besides chat it up with you in grah, I mean.   Calalily has shown me she's made a mesh.  All I've seen from you is you snapping your fingers and attempting to control us as if we are children, desperate to please the bully of the school yard.  Well, the folks at MATY might be desperate to please you, the people who write Sims secrets telling the world how cuddly they think you are might be desperate to please you, but obviously Calalily isn't and you can add me to the list.  

You are overriding us on their behalf.  So to me, they are trying to call the shots on what I am doing.


Reliable to take a couple of minutes to think things up for the catalogue description? These are not the workhorses you are looking for.


I would love to complete this, love to work on it.  But I will not work for you, and anyone else you think gets to tell me what to do - I will work with you.  As for compliments, I think I might have figured out you're not going to give me anything of the sort.  :P


Yeah, but you don't get to farm us as if we are robots for your bidding.  After all - I wouldn't release a mesh you didn't like, "kewian based substitutes" included.


I've shown pictures of the mesh - you remarked on it. I have shown more work than you have.


Troublesome workers are often that way because of crap management.


Seeing as the initial assembly is due to me, and then continued by me - because I'll be doing jobs number 1 and 3, unless you've found someone who can mesh food, then it is not out of this world for me to expect to have some element of a say in what exactly is happening.


See usable output below.  I'm not going to produce output so I can be used.


Then why bother you've told me, and I've done - in fact, I did *before* you told me. And you have contradicted yourself:


People in grah I refuse to talk to? Unless you're conflating yourself into "people" then there is no me and you alone in grah - and I got your message and instructions here loud and clear.  Everything else from anyone else is just pointless noise.


I have included this at the bottom.


Pescado, you have no idea what is involved in making an object mesh - you've made this abundantly clear, which is fine because you're the modder.  There are groups in the mesh.  You need to match these groups to existing groups - otherwise it will not work.  If I take all the component parts and make them "table" for the changing table and the three groups for the barbeque, you will be doubling up the mesh and the polycount.  Groups need to be done in Milkshape before importing, so whatever you do, I need to do the final mesh import after the modding.  I need you to make a montage of the two, and then I can see the group names and how to compile the mesh.


Shitting (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?n5jinttgaim) It's all up to you now.

Actually, I do have an idea, given that I have frequently decrudulated said objects. However, the issue at hand is not "groups", it is actually the "bones". The object in question must have all of the necessary bones from both objects, so that the single GMDC/GMND will be able to be imported and function as both objects. Seperately at first, but eventually together, after I finish piecing all the bits together.

This is a joke, right? You haven't produced ANY meshes, let alone ONE mesh. Instead, you appear to have provided something which appears to be exactly the same as the EAxis grill, and the EAxis changing table, when the files are installed seperately. If installed together, they conflict and produce a nonfunctional object. It certainly doesn't look like any Calalilywork. Disembowelling the GMDC in SimPE reveals that it is, in fact, identical in appearance, and you have not created a mesh at all. Is this supposed to be funny? It looks like you haven't done anything at all!
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Hrm. I don't understand why people in grah must write the description about the object. What is so important to life that they must write the description? The way I see it, so far three people are collaborating on this, and two out of the three are in a disagreement with the one. I do think that majority rules though, and this should be a PMBD effort. It was conceived at PMBD, and made by PMBDer's, and therefore should stay in PMBD.

The only package that has bones is the barbeque - no bones in the changing table - and once I have your modded files, I can import the final mesh and match those up. 


I haven't given you a mesh, and won't be doing so.  You're acting like someone else is doing this work, namely people in grah - so if you wish for them to get to say how this goes, get them to do this mesh and the recolours.  If it's that important to have people involved in grah sticking their oars in, then let them do all the other important stuff - all those meshes and recolours.  I have shown a picture of the unregrouped mesh in Milkshape - which you acknowledged.  If you think I'm going to give you the mesh so you can do what you please, and what pleases the people in grah, that isn't happening. I didn't do all this so that someone else could have my say.

As for them conflicting, they are identical - you mod them, you put in your GUIDs, as you stated earlier in the thread you would, and then send it to me for the mesh. Apart from the mesh (not regrouped), description (not decided - I'm open to all suggestions here at PMBD - the first one that makes you, me and the others actually working on this laugh will be the winner) and recolours (not started), there's nothing more that can be given to you. Again, if this fails at this stage, you made it fail.  Once you put the two packages together and change the groups and the position of the bones, I will need to revise the mesh - I'm waiting on your modded package.

Fire your broadsides all you like, Pirates. Ye cannot defeat us. #grah will prevail!

As I don't have to make it, that's fine with me.  I hope it goes well.

I'd like to see any of them get off of their lazy backsides and try to do this. Had they bothered to read the description of what all has to be done, they'd be daunted by the task instead of viewing it as the challenge that Cala did. Just because a person is able to cobble together a grammatically correct sentence, that doesn't mean they have the gift of being able to mesh and create objects. Cala actually is able to both. MATY, put up or shut up.

Thanks Paden. I was wondering if this was about me, and now I see it is. Man, you guys are pathetic.

 :D No it's got nothing to do with you. It's got to do with the fact that I signed up for a PMBD project, not a grah project, and not a MATY project.  If anyone wants to make this project there, they are more than welcome.  I'm not interested in a grah/MATY project, since Pescado doesn't even deign to tell me what he was talking about, I don't want to make a mesh that will become a grah/MATY project. Simple.

Such a delusional person you are, rohina. The whole of MATY is concerned with grammar, it's not just your personal schtick. Pull your head out of your arse and get some fresh air now and then, your face is a most unbecoming shade of blue from being up there for so long.

It's a #grah/MATY against PMBD thing, by which I mean that the intent is to use the creative personages here to do the hard work while you lot over there slaver like animals at feeding time over what to do with said item. The last time I checked, you were not the embodiment of the first mentioned, no matter how much you would adore to claim otherwise. Over-inflated ego much? Trot back to your cave like a good troll now, and mind those three billy goats gruff on the bridge, they can be rather hostile at times to folk like yourself. Buh-bye!

Can't we all just get aloooong??!!!  :'( :'( :'(


/me sobs in the corner

Hell no.

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What the hell? I don't know if you read this foru with your eyes shut or not, but look back a few pages and youll see all the work that Calalily has done, the meshing, looking for the right baby object to fit with the heights, now shes working on the actual serving platter for the baby, all you have done is sit there acting all hig and mighty going "yes," "no," "that will/will not work," so how can you say that Calalily hasn't done anything?

You really are ridiculous. Have you never done group work for a project before? Pescado is the project leader. He assigns the jobs, and your part is to do the part you are assigned, not to bitch about inconsequential shit and bring in your loser friends to talk about voting. Democratic projects are for people who don't care whether they get a finished product or not.

Good luck with finding a modder to get your so-fabulous mesh to work.

Why does it have to be "This project" or "That project"? What's wrong with it being a project that you are currently working on? I do not understand your thinking behind this. If you really have to be so caught up in the name, think of it as a PMBD project because you, a person of PMBD (PMBDer?), are working on it.

Who the hell are you? How d you figure that Pescado is the project leader? This whole thing started as a discussion, then people started stating what they could do for the project, Calalily said she could do the meshing, and has been working on that, others have said that they can do the texturing, so they will be doing that. Pescado said that he can do the modding.
It is a joint effort, no one is calling the shots on this project(although it appears that someone thinks that they are, no names mentioned).
I dont know who you think you are, I haven't even seen you posting here before, but I highly doubt that anyone is gonna put up with the random shit that you keep spurting out.
This project is a fun, FUN, F-U-N, look it up, project, but because other people from places that have no business here have been putting their noses in, it hasnt stayed that way, and then we get stupid little twats like you coming over thinking that they are also calling the shots.
So why don't you take that lame ass avatar and yourself back to whatever pile of shit you crawled out from under and never return.
OKthankyoubyebye.

Who could have seen this coming: a joint project between Rohina and Calalily that leads to acrimony?  ??? It's almost like it was carefully designed for moar fight...

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hmmmm...

Haha, love the aluminium foiled alien dog Red  :-*.

Yes I have worked on a group project - but I usually knew which group I was part of, and who everyone else was. But I signed up under different circumstances, and the project leader won't even tell me what they are.  I don't actually have to participate in the project - and all of this is designed to get me to do so. I told Pescado I wouldn't come to grah when first he split this thread off, and when first he stated that that was a condition.  He proceeded to try to convince me, and I was unconvinced.  Now he's not answering my questions, and you have all come here to tell me it's your grah project - well that's fine with me.  I didn't want to be involved in a grah project *from the first page*.

Since you all think I'm inconsequential, that you can do it without me, and I'm sure you can - then do it without me.  I didn't ask for a democratic project with all my friends - just that Pescado could at least tell those of us working on this exactly what his "staff" is planning.  If he wants to be cagey, then I'm fine with the mesh doing nothing for eternity.  It took me a couple of hours, and it's no big deal if it never happens - meshes are discarded all the time because they don't work right.


I'm not currently doing a thing to do with this project - it is now someone else's project.


Well, the name of the thread gave me a clue - it's called PMBD baby roast.  I thought it would be a PMBD project - not one where PMBD was farmed for content and then ignored.  At this point, if I follow what you would like to do, I have no more idea of what this will be than the average downloader.  This doesn't appeal much to me - so I'm out.

I don't know why you guys have trouble noticing, but Pescado gets a lot of stuff done, and his method is generally the same. He tells people to come to #grah, he gets information and he co-ordinates. Ask Nouk, or Liegenclump, or any of those people whose site he rescued from Walt.

People come to #grah to get help; help is given. Projects also get worked on there. Pescado tends to rely on people who have a track record of producing work when he wants things done. This may be in part because he knows what he wants, and generally wants people who can produce what they are asked for in a timely manner. Most people can't. You clearly aren't up to working to his standards.

If you don't like his process, maybe you need to find another way to get your special, exclusive PMBD project to work. Arguing with him about his methods just makes you look petulant and childish.

Fine, Calalily. If you have to get so butthurt about it, don't work on the project; there are other meshers. And the picture you gave of your mesh looks pretty sucktastic, anyway. I'm sure you think that your flouncing will kill the project outright; you are wrong. The jobs you've been assigned aren't all that difficult; even I could create a passable grill mesh, and I have no "skills of an artist", as El Presidente puts it. Of course, I'm not GOING to (don't have a meshing program that creates a format that works with the game, and don't have the time, anyway) but there's enough people that there will always be someone who can manage it. Over-ego'd calalily is over-ego'd.

Calalily, why don't you just find someone else to take your mesh and code it?

Because no *normal* code modder is going to want to make a baby roaster!   I didn't think a normal mesher would want to make one either.   It's about time Pescado learnt to mesh.  I can mesh and code mod so it's not impossible to know both.  But I am not touching any icky baby cooker.

There is always Carrigon, unless baby roasting is offensive to wiccans.

I know that, which is why I told him if it's a grah thingie, I'm out from the first page.


You're right - I'm not, so as I said, I'm out.  


It's not a PMBD project.  I thought it was, but was mistaken.


Well, then I have saved myself a lot of work with the sucktastic mesh - it would never have been released at all because Pescado would have thought it sucked and discarded the whole project anyway.  You don't actually need skills of an artist - just mod an existing grill and put the codes into it to make it into the baby change table.  So you don't need a mesher at all. If you find another willing mesher, then that's good - and it can done the way you all please and have nothing to do with me - no one needs to answer my questions at all.


It's not a burning desire - Pescado mentioned that he couldn't find a faffy artiste to mesh it, and I offered to mesh if he'd mod.  The conversation has since gone downhill, and since it's not a burning desire, I'm happy to leave it and work on those things I do desire to do.  The original mesh was only a couple of hours work, and if it all comes to nothing that's a good meshing day. :D I've scrapped more things than I've produced - the concept in your head doesn't always work out.


I think you're right. :D I can't imagine any other modders wanting to be known as the one that made a baby roaster.  He doesn't need to mesh - he can modify existing projects and just get a recolour to suit.


You never know - could be. :D

So, because that's the way Pescado likes to work, that's the only way he will work? 


She was working on it, until Pescado suddenly announced to us that he and his "staff" had already decided what this was all going to be about:


Until then, we were all under the impression that it was the PMBD babyroaster and therefore, a PMBD project.  Suddenly, we find out about this magical "Staff" and Pescado has become "we"  and that he and this magical staff will make all the choices, that we don't have to worry ourselves about it. 

Until that moment, he and Calalily were communicating quite actively through the forum.  She only stopped because of this sudden attitude that suddenly this had changed from a PMBD project to a "staff" project, and it doesn't seem like there are many PMBD people on that "staff."   


It doesn't look nearly as petulant and childish as it does for him to send his little MATY cult member in to fight his battles for him.  Supposedly, he's a God of the Sim world, yet every time things don't go his way, he runs off and cries and you folks from MATY come running over to tell us how wrong we are.  It all boils down to the same thing, "Stop picking on poor Pescado!"   

I appreciate all the work he's done for the Sims2 community, and I agree that the community would not be what it is today if it weren't for him, however, that doesn't mean that he always has to get his own way, no matter what, or no matter how many cult members he sends over to scream at Calalily for not letting him crack the whip over her head.

Before he even split this thread off, he could have gone to you folks and said, "I want to make  a baby roaster."  No one here would have cared.  This all started because I made a joke, he responded saying that there wasn't a faffy artiste to make it.  Calalily responded that if he modded it, she would mesh it.  I commented that I would texture it.   He then tried to demand Calalily went to Grah, Calalily, declined, but continued working. At that point, he also could have said, "I refuse to mod this, if you aren't willing to go to Grah."   But instead, he continued to tell Calalily what he wanted. He had several chances to say he wouldn't mod it unless we were willing to play entirely by his rules, but he didn't.  Instead he argued and when he realized that we over here at PMBD weren't going to roll over, like his flunkies at MATY, he ran to you guys to try to browbeat Calalily into playing by his rules.

Well, since clearly, you're all so much more amazingly talented and perfect,  MATY can build it.   No one here cares.  You've been told several times that you're welcome to do it yourselves, so instead of coming over to whine at us for being mean to your cult leader, why don't you folks all get of the stick and go built the damned thing?  If this has to be made by Pescado's rules and Pescado's rules alone, then we're not going to be part of it and all your bitching isn't going to change that.


"I could create a mesh, but I won't!"  And you're telling Calalily she's got too much ego?  Please.  There are free programs on the net that will allow you to convert meshes that can be used in the game.  So, go and build this great item, instead of coming over to bitch that Calilily won't do what Pescado says. 


Edit: Because sometimes it is your and not you're

I think you mistake bitching and defending with P&L. You guys are hilariously lose, which results in rubbernecking and wankery.

Don't you have a baby roaster you should be meshing? 

I agree completely with everything else, but this most of all.  If this was what he wanted, he could have told me, conversation over, and I would have not stuck my oar into his project. He didn't answer my questions, but it seems the answer has become clear - this wasn't a PMBD baby roast, but a grah one - and they have all come to tell me so - question answered.  Since I don't and won't do grah, then I can't possibly participate.

Correction: Pescado comes into the staff area of InSIM to speak with the staff, he doesn't order us about like we are minions, which is a big difference to how he works in #grah. We've had a staff chat once and that was in a different channel. Please to be getting your facts or assumptions right.

I know I did.  I saw you lurking, thought you were pointing and laughing, but then you had to open your mouth.  Pitiful.  You are surprisingly similar to a yappy lap dog.

Don't you have some "Bear is driving car" jokes or "Fresh Prince of Bel-Air" rewrites to do in #grah, anyway?  You don't want your jokes to start getting stale on you.

You're kind of in a bind about sporking the writing, aren't you? I mean to have any idea about the jokes, you'd have to read what I wrote, but you all swear black and blue never to give me that kind of attention. So either you're a hypocrite or a liar.

Why don't you engage in witty repartee with a kitchen appliance, I'm sure it will find your company and wit much more sparkling and inspiring than we do. The only awe we feel for you is in your dogged determination to keep being an annoying prat who believes she actually matters in the cosmic scheme of things. You're nothing more than a flea bite upon the ass of a dog when it comes down to it. Now that you know the truth, please go and digest it quietly in the corner, if that massive ego of yours can get around to accepting it. Oh, wait, you're rohina, Lady of Teflon Armour and nothing sticks to you aside from your own self-righteous mannerisms. Go shit in your own back yard and get out of ours.

We only give you attention when we want something to laugh about.  You're always good for providing hours of amusement. We don't even have to come and find you to poke you with a stick, you come running to us!   Now, come back and make that same tired joke about how "Oh, I don't care, I'm just here to P&L"   At least you seem to believe that. 

Rohina, I seriously pity you more than I pity anyone else I have ever met on the internet.

Well, it's good to know that I am not an object worthy of pity then. Are you still trying to track down evidence of how I hacked into Pescado's accounts? Oh, wait! Maybe this WHOLE babby thing is actually ME, hacking into Pescado's accounts again!

The only babby here is you and from the smell of it, your diaper is full of it, just like you are.

Good old Paden, always with the scatalogical insults. You know, ass rape, diapers, talking about people's bottoms. Freud certainly had your number.

*sigh* Same boring garbage from the same boring garbage. *yawn* Lame rohina is lame.

Same bitch, different year.   :D 

I agree, armywife. Paden is remarkably similar.

Hilarity ensues.

Actually, I do believe that if it is a PMBD project, Rohina, it should be done by members at PMBD.  Cala is a great creator and she takes a lot of pride in her work.  She has never taken any shortcuts.  We don't need to be summoned to grah in order to put a project together.  Creativity works much better out in the open where everyone can participate and add to the ideas submitted.

Cala, I've IM'ed Squinge to see if he would be willing if you would like him to do the modding.  I also give you my best New Year's rum and toast to your awesomeness.  

Paden.... :-*  You can be my bitch any day.

rohina, thank God I'm in no way similar to you in anything but gender. I don't post where I'm not wanted, even though I do read.

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I don't know, I rather am enjoying her hanging around here.  This place has been remarkably troll free lately, so it's nice to have one from MATY come over to provide us with something to poke at. 

Yeah, but you know how it is with lawn trolls, they over stay their welcome, they litter the place with nasties and generally ruin the neighborhood. Oh very well, but if you want to keep it, you have to take care of it, young lady.

Blond girl with glasses avatar, no one is disputing that what Pescado does for The Sims 2 community is rubbish or crap, but people create CC for the game as a little something for them to do, a hobby basicaly, and when it comes to hobbies, no one likes being told what to do with it and when it's to be completed by etc. All the people working on the baby roaster were aiming to get this completed for the kids challenge over at MTS2, that was the only pressing matter, but then someone came over and started barking orders, then stating that said person had "staff" working on it. I've had nothing to do with this project, but I do read these forms often to find out about updates and to see what people have been making, but when I read about someones "staff," I got annoyed, so God knows how the people who ARE working on this project felt. Then badness came, and along with it, stupid little lap dogs and bitches like you thinking that they own the place.
And did I not tell you to return back to whatever pile of shit you crawled out from anyway?

EDIT: Because spelling mistakes and bad grammer happens  :D

I'm actually offended at members here being categorized as "feckless incompetents".  I do believe it's the members of PMBD who work at destroying paysites (which is our primary mission), assist new creators, donate funds for the cheezeservers and provide the booty for the masses.

Darqstar...you owe me a keyboard.   I officially love TapThatBooty - nicely said.

I know I have nothing to do with this at all, but it sort of irks me that roughly ten minutes after Cala refuses Pescado and spurns grah a posse of n00bs shows up, people with 6 (six!) posts to their name feel free to trashtalk a valued forum member and the Queen Bitch trolls the thread yet again. The project may not be PMBD, apparently, but who invited the n00bs to the fight?

Also, cala was giving some of her rare free time to do this in, when she could be using it to write a thesis for her degree, which some folks have never done or heard of in their lives. Grueling work that takes a lot of concentration and research. She was doing this as a lark, and then starts being ordered about as if someone had a deed of ownership for her and her talent, along with the others that were going to work on it with her. Oh hell no. That isn't how a hobby works, when you demand for people to put out certain content at a certain date. Sounds like something a man named Thomass would try to pull and for some reason, I thought better of Pescado. He has failed us.

I don't see how I am WRONG to characterize Calalily as such, given that she did, in fact, prove to be feckless and incompetent. In any case, this matter is closed. I have outsourced the meshing investigation to someone halfway competent with a track record of actual success, and Calalily's feckless attempts at contribution are no longer required. End of story.

This matter may be reopened at a later date when the project has moved forward, but I do not have any reason to believe any of you are capable of contributing, as your previous track record in this matter has been an abysmal 0% effectiveness. Perhaps your advice will be useful again when I need someone to pen an excuse for why NOT to do something. I have no use for people who provide nothing but balking, failure, and irrelevant excuses.