Simsweb pl.

[Skadi]

I'd just like to add that I just snorted Tim Tam through my nose from reading this derailment. Particularly this one:

Also, can you imagine their stamina?

I vote vampire too. Just bite me while I'm young, I can't imagine it would be easy to get a facelift or botox when you're undead.

[HawkGirl]

I'd just like to add that I just snorted Tim Tam through my nose from reading this derailment. Particularly this one:

Also, can you imagine their stamina?

I vote vampire too. Just bite me while I'm young, I can't imagine it would be easy to get a facelift or botox when you're undead.

Another great point. Bet Zombies can't do the wild thing. Plus to kill a vamp you have to drive a stake through their heart, which means it must be beating for them to get blood to the good parts. If they're pumping blood, they also are probably not all cold and clammy. So voila another point for vamps Great job! Now what Mando. What your zombies got in that area? lol

PS right now my T-shirt has Mickey Mouse on it. He'll never be out of fashion.

[calalily]

If nothing else, Calalily, you at least have to admire that zombie tenacity.

And I do - I just am not so tenacious that I would cling to or choose such a life.  As for the regeneration - after a couple of hundred years, it would be a "usual" pain. All the regeneration is pretty instant - or at most, a day or two.  Not to mention flying - who could give up flying, turning into mist.

The ethical vampire only kills The Evildoer...rapists, murderers, drug dealers, etc. (LeStat, Betsy Thompson, etc.)

Yeah, they say that, but there's sure to be some crime for which you could be convicted that they justify what they do.  A killer judging ethics?  Someone who wants you for food deciding whether you're worth killing?  An evildoer deciding your level of evilness and then dealing out vigilante justice.

It all depends on if you have any design on that t-shirt at all, I'm afraid. If there's the Dukes of Hazard car, or "I'm With Stupid" written on it, I think you're in trouble.

Agreed - but not as much trouble as you think.  Go to the nearest goth club, get the one most out of their mind on ecstasy, and drink him/her and steal his/her clothes.  Not only a victim, with usually very expensive clothes, but someone with plenty of money.  And if you're dressed right once, an unlimited supply of victims to go with you willingly.

Bet Zombies can't do the wild thing.

Bet even if they could they're not good.  If having a leg cut off means nothing, then you're probably not going to feel anything much anyway.  Vampires are smart and cunning, and thus know how to use what they've got.  Not to mention that penetration is their method of feeding - they're so practiced at it.  :lol:

[Skadi]

Besides, what if certain zombie appendages came of mid ride?

[Ash Redfern]

This thread has become thoroughly amusing to follow. Do go on.

[mando]

And I do - I just am not so tenacious that I would cling to or choose such a life.  As for the regeneration - after a couple of hundred years, it would be a "usual" pain. All the regeneration is pretty instant - or at most, a day or two.  Not to mention flying - who could give up flying, turning into mist.

Still painful, especially at first. Even worse if you're hanging out with some vampire army who doesn't want to stop for the trainee who cries like a baby everytime he or she loses a limb. You'll end up getting left in the cemetary to have to deal with the local vampire hunters all on your own, in your Whitesnake t-shirt and acid wash skirt with a half-regenerated limb. Terrible!

Fine, I'll give you flying and being mist. However, while you may have some neato powers you're still going to have to hang around with some vampire you don't like for hundreds of years. You know, someone who tells you long unending stories about when he was in France in 1110 and how he would try to go hunting in apple fields, but the local Lord had forbidden people from eating apples because he thought it caused blindness, so he had to be really cagey and catch them on the way home from apple burnings, blah, blah, blah. Of course, since all the humans you know are dead and all the other vampires you know are the ones that forced you to wear that Whitesnake t-shirt for 3 decades, you sit and listen to his sorry stories while he weeps. Not to mention the fact that since he's apparently at war with the other local vampire king, and because you were seen with him once at a party, a bounty has now been placed on your head as well.

Zombies=no irritating conversation. You still get all the benefits of zombie companionship (a shared goal, a strong group dynamic) without all of the minuses of vampire companionship (super competitive, long, boring stories about hunting humans in apple fields).

It all depends on if you have any design on that t-shirt at all, I'm afraid. If there's the Dukes of Hazard car, or "I'm With Stupid" written on it, I think you're in trouble.

Agreed - but not as much trouble as you think.  Go to the nearest goth club, get the one most out of their mind on ecstasy, and drink him/her and steal his/her clothes.  Not only a victim, with usually very expensive clothes, but someone with plenty of money.  And if you're dressed right once, an unlimited supply of victims to go with you willingly.

Yes, but if you were the type of person who would wear a "Dukes of Hazard" t-shirt you probably are not also skilled at seduction, victim on ecstacy or no. Plus, like I said before, all those other vampires who turned you for fun are hardly going to make it easy for you, I mean it's a lot less entertaining for them if you end up being skilled at being a vampire. That's why they chose somebody wearing socks and sandals!

As for zombies having sex, disgusting. Grow up the lot of you, this is a serious and important discussion. :lol:

[HawkGirl]

Besides, what if certain zombie appendages came of mid ride?

You've just invented the Zombie strap on? lol

Bet Zombies can't do the wild thing.

Bet even if they could they're not good.  If having a leg cut off means nothing, then you're probably not going to feel anything much anyway.  Vampires are smart and cunning, and thus know how to use what they've got.  Not to mention that penetration is their method of feeding - they're so practiced at it.  :lol:

I agree! lol  I'm waiting to hear Mando's explanation on how a Zombie is gonna ask for viagra with a vocabulary of brains and ooooo. They're going to need something to get that body part moving since they really are undead/deader than a door nail.

As for zombies having sex, disgusting. Grow up the lot of you, this is a serious and important discussion. :lol:

Now look if your expecting me to spend the next 1,000 plus years with this Zombie, this is very important. Brains or no brains don't know if I could go that long.

[calalily]

Besides, what if certain zombie appendages came of mid ride?

Oh, they are sure to do that - they'd lose something in the banging.  That's of course, should drool and bodily fluids dripping all over you be something you would desire.  :shock: I would never sleep with someone I had to sew back together at the end.

Still painful, especially at first.

Yeah, but you'd become like that Duggar woman who has 17 children - it'd be par for the course, and sure it would hurt, but hell, you're used to it.

Fine, I'll give you flying and being mist. However, while you may have some neato powers you're still going to have to hang around with some vampire you don't like for hundreds of years.

Well, vampires have a reputation for being lonely wanderers, so it seems you can ditch them - just ditch the lot - make new friends, or just plain old get on the internet.  :lol:

Zombies=no irritating conversation. You still get all the benefits of zombie companionship (a shared goal, a strong group dynamic) without all of the minuses of vampire companionship (super competitive, long, boring stories about hunting humans in apple fields).

Group dynamic? As in bashing each other with stuff, lurching into each other and eating each others' brains.  Not a strong group dynamic - just a school of piranhas with the same goal in mind.  Not to mention there is no brain to appreciate this benefit - you're a mindless brain eating shell.

Plus, like I said before, all those other vampires who turned you for fun are hardly going to make it easy for you, I mean it's a lot less entertaining for them if you end up being skilled at being a vampire. That's why they chose somebody wearing socks and sandals!

Well, if you're going to turn people based on making fun of them, you're fully prepared for the stupid and boring consequences.  I certainly wouldn't turn someone who was going to annoy the shit out of me for the next few centuries - and then keep them around.  But again, loners - so turn who you like, laugh for a week, ditch them.

[mando]

Yeah, but you'd become like that Duggar woman who has 17 children - it'd be par for the course, and sure it would hurt, but hell, you're used to it.

You've got to make it to that "so crazy it doesn't hurt anymore" point first, meaning you've got to survive the first few centuries before your vampire "friends" get irritated with you.

Well, vampires have a reputation for being lonely wanderers, so it seems you can ditch them - just ditch the lot - make new friends, or just plain old get on the internet.  :lol:

You might be able to ditch the Apple Hunter, but it will be somewhat more difficult to ditch that bounty on your head. Switch allegiances and you'll discover that the new vampire lord you're hanging out with, Irvine the Horrific, is really into "Trading Spaces" and macrame.

Group dynamic? As in bashing each other with stuff, lurching into each other and eating each others' brains.  Not a strong group dynamic - just a school of piranhas with the same goal in mind.  Not to mention there is no brain to appreciate this benefit - you're a mindless brain eating shell.

Haven't you seen those George Romero movies? Admittedly, at the beginning it's all messiness and disorder, but by the end you're taking over shopping malls and swarming through cities all together as one big happy group. Whether they appreciate this on any deep or meaningful level is unimportant, those kind of worries are unnecessary so long as their basic needs are met. Vampires may be smart, but are they happy Calalily, really?

Well, if you're going to turn people based on making fun of them, you're fully prepared for the stupid and boring consequences.  I certainly wouldn't turn someone who was going to annoy the shit out of me for the next few centuries - and then keep them around.  But again, loners - so turn who you like, laugh for a week, ditch them.

Vampires have nothing but time, which is exactly proportionate to the time the awkward have. Eventually, some bored vampire somewhere is going to change over some "Crossroads" fan for laughs, and that same "Crossroads" fan will be so desperate for companionship that they will make that vampire's life a living hell. The vampire will often believe that he/she has gotten rid of the irritation, but eventually (probably several times a century) that fan will track him/her down and bore that vampire for at least a year with stories about Britney's acting abilities and readings of terrible teenage poetry. I imagine that an adult "Crossroads" fan must have at least zombie level tenacity.

[alia]

The ethical vampire only kills The Evildoer...rapists, murderers, drug dealers, etc. (LeStat, Betsy Thompson, etc.)

I've always had a problem with this motivation for vampires. If you were a vampire, why would you take the time to find criminals for a snack when there is a kindergarten next doors? Why would you care when all people are just cattle for you? They are all going to die sooner or later, so why not make it a bit sooner?  :roll:

Besides, killing is killing, no matter who/what does it, and it is WRONG.
I could forgive a person who killed somebody and repented it, but I cannot forgive something that hunts down people for food/sport.

And since I am bored, I came up with this list of vampires vs. zombies:

Vampires:
Cons
- dead
- constantly hungry
- lethal allergy to sunlight
- writing/having to listen to bad poetry
- feel pain
- having to pretend they're human
- moping and self-pity
- costs of maintaining a proper vampire lifestyle
- can get caught up in the power struggles of the vampire community (possible fatal results)
- bumping into the same people over and over again over centuries
- possibly hunted by vampire hunters and other vampires

Pros
+ better fashion sense
+ can have sex
+ better conversations
+ can turn into mist or rodents
+ can fly
+ regeneration
+ can have minions

+/- loners

Zombies:
Cons
- dead
- constantly hungry
- bits falling off
- no brains
- smell
- flies
- limited vocabulary
- messy (drooling, dropping spare body parts and oozing bodily fluids all over)

Pros
+ indestructable (until they fall to pieces)
+ don't have to worry about what to wear
+ easily accepted by their peers
+ feel no pain
+ no need to fit into the human society
+ tenacity and unity of purpose within the group as well as shared goals (Thanks for this, Mando!)

So... Although being a zombie does not sound very attractive, I think zombies are probably happier with what/who they are.  :lol:

[LilyLocksley]

I would say that this whole thing depends on what type of vampire or zombie, you might become. Are we talking about the standard Dracula type vampire, or those hideous From Dusk Till Dawn vampires? Are these slow lumbering Resident Evil zombies or fast Dawn of the dead zombies?
 I would still want to be a Vampire either way. As far as why they would chose derelicts well for one; police in any given city are far less likely to pay as much attention to a dead corpse of a rapist than a room full of school kids.
Also who says they have to kill their pray when feeding? They can just take what they need from a few different vessels and leave them living.

[HawkGirl]

I would say that this whole thing depends on what type of vampire or zombie, you might become. Are we talking about the standard Dracula type vampire, or those hideous From Dusk Till Dawn vampires? Are these slow lumbering Resident Evil zombies or fast Dawn of the dead zombies?
 I would still want to be a Vampire either way. As far as why they would chose derelicts well for one; police in any given city are far less likely to pay as much attention to a dead corpse of a rapist than a room full of school kids.
Also who says they have to kill their pray when feeding? They can just take what they need from a few different vessels and leave them living.

Ok if we have to choose, I'm going to be a vamp like the girl in Evolution. She could go out in the daylight after the second one. But instead of hunting Werewolf/Liken. I'm gonna rid the world of all those oozing zombies.  :twisted:

[mando]

Ok if we have to choose, I'm going to be a vamp like the girl in Evolution. She could go out in the daylight after the second one. But instead of hunting Werewolf/Liken. I'm gonna rid the world of all those oozing zombies.  :twisted:

Well you could certainly try, Hawkgirl, but considering the rate at which zombies reproduce you would likely have something of a fight on your hands. As a matter of fact, you might find yourself joining the zombie ranks soon enough, in that I am unaware of a zombie resistance factor in vampires. Oooh! Then you could be a super zombie, with the ability to shuffle and break buildings and turn into mist! Still no sex as a zombie, though (unless you're using those "Living Dead" movies as your zombie basis :lol: ).

[JFederated]

Mando, I'm sorry, but there is a terrible flaw in your defense of zombies and it is this:

After a certain amount of decomp and taking untold quanitites of day to day damage (zombies don't seem to get the whole 'DUCK!' thing), their monacles would absolutely not stay in place anymore, necessitating the use of a long range staple gun type weapon you'd have to invent, probably.

Whereas vamps - they'd make the monacle look goood.  

I'm not at all partial to the undead in any form, but at least vamps can make smalltalk.  And zombies scare the shit out of me.

[HawkGirl]

Ok if we have to choose, I'm going to be a vamp like the girl in Evolution. She could go out in the daylight after the second one. But instead of hunting Werewolf/Liken. I'm gonna rid the world of all those oozing zombies.  :twisted:

Well you could certainly try, Hawkgirl, but considering the rate at which zombies reproduce you would likely have something of a fight on your hands. As a matter of fact, you might find yourself joining the zombie ranks soon enough, in that I am unaware of a zombie resistance factor in vampires. Oooh! Then you could be a super zombie, with the ability to shuffle and break buildings and turn into mist! Still no sex as a zombie, though (unless you're using those "Living Dead" movies as your zombie basis :lol: ).

Ha! You forgot I have a doctor in my army. I'll have him invent a Zombie vaccine. Guess I should bite a weapons expert so I can have long range weapons, and won't have to get all the goo all over me, never know what's in that stuff. I'll also have to bite someone that owns their own tailoring shop. I think a father and son team should be good for that one so I can just keep cycling them. Father dies (pretend) Son comes in to save the business as time goes by son is replaced with father to show aging. Rinse and repeat. That way I've taken care of the clothing problem. Only other problem is how to handle the blood bank I'll have to think on that one for a bit. Can't have my army running around making a bunch more vamps. That's all we need some Buffy wannabe chasing us down.