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« Reply #1350 on: 2008 October 22, 22:27:16 »
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a Gosling is a "Garden of Shadows" member. It's a forum where you share stuff. They are pro file sharing.

Meh, TSR members who are reading this, why don't you go and tell the FA's the real situation over at TSR? That should make them think, on why they are there. But I doubt they will, since they love their site so much.
A site that offers incentives, but who'se incentives are rigged anyway. Nice.
Even if an FA was gaining 5K a month, they would be making $60,000 a year. It's a lot of money, but I seriously doubt they make that much. More like $300 a month, and I make more than that Tongue
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« Reply #1351 on: 2008 October 22, 22:28:59 »
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but I've seen little to none evil people on TSR or anyone in the paysite community.
Depends on what you consider evil - 

1)  "Oogabooga! Iz Beelzebub, Iz gonna eats ur soul, nonomnom!" < Yup, that's evil

2)  "Oogabooga! Iz Birgit, Iz gonna eats ur bank account, nomnomnom!"  < SUPREME EVIL

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« Reply #1352 on: 2008 October 22, 22:42:26 »
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I'd like to toss in my two cents from my personal perspective of the SA forum.  I was always afraid of posting in there as it was more or less suggested that we were to leave you guys on your own, that it was your forum and we weren't to start any topics in there whatsoever.  I do remember there was a 'help' type section, but you're right, it was hardly ever used.  I think another part of the lack of FA-shared information is that they maybe just didn't even have the information to share in the first place.  I'll expand on this later.

You know, that really sucks.  I have the PM where I suggested the SA forum and I stated that I would love to have FA's participate in it.  I was looking for a workshop kind of thing, but I know that I wouldn't have minded other posts.  My bet is that it was Atwa that discouraged FA's from the SA forum.  She spent a lot of time on the SA forum and made herself the only non-SA resource.  We couldn't do much without feeling like we had to ask her permission.  I know I asked for it more than once. 

You would think that the more part of a team we all felt, the less likely people would want to leave.  Instead, we were under the impression that many of the FA's resented the SA's.  Almost like you guys felt like we were your competition.  Again, this is just part of the dysfunction that is TSR. 

This hits the nail on the head.  Now that I've been 'on the outside' for a while, I'm not at all surprised by the utter stagnation that's very apparent among many of the FAs.  You're not exactly encouraged to go out into the larger community, so you end up having a very limited pool of information to work with, much of which is still several years behind.
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  I even remember there was a push to get more FAs writing tutorials, and reassurences were given that it wouldn't be like 'we were giving away our secrets,' so it's not just competition among FAs, but goes back to the 'TSR-vs-The World' mentality.  (I didn't do many tutorials because I'm lazy and am terrible at it.) 

No, you are not encouraged to venture elsewhere.  Although no one ever said much about my double submissions, I was the only one I know of that submitted everything at both places.  Made me a bit of an odd duck, really.  That whole giving away secrets thing is exactly what I feared was going on in the FA world.  TSR is not interested in helping the community move forward or in gaining new knowledge.  And you are right, the stagnation that we see in the creations from there is the direct result of that kind of attitude.  There were very few tuts at TSR that were helpful.  The only one I used constantly was the Material Definition Editing tut written by Simaddict99.  I always wondered why there weren't more.  Nothing else that was written as a tut was as helpful as what I got from MTS2.  Except for an email I got from Simtomatic that helped me with shadows.  I wish she had written that up as a tut (unless she has, in which case YEA!)

Thanks for the input Aikea.  I think it is important for people to know what it feels like on the inside.

Tomato, thanks for sharing that story. It's helped me rethink a couple of things.

That being said, don't you feel like we should be careful about the whole "us vs. them" athmosphere you described? I mean, it's obviously different for us, we do openly oppose something, but still. I do see a lot assupmtions that people are downright evil just because they're on the other side of the fence. There are some deeply troubled people on the other side, people I'd probably clock if I met them in real life, but I've seen little to none evil people on TSR or anyone in the paysite community.


That is why I brought it up.  I would love for just one person at TSR to read what I wrote and have it hit home.  Have them think about it and decide to go free.  That they would know we would welcome them and so would the larger community. 

As far as no evil-you apparently haven't read the info sharing thread that coconut posted or parts of my insane journal.  Or where NeptuneSuzy flat out lied about her role in the pay scheme end of things at TSR.  I might not classify those actions as 'evil' per se, but they are pretty awful. 
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« Reply #1353 on: 2008 October 22, 23:10:29 »
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As far as no evil-you apparently haven't read the info sharing thread that coconut posted or parts of my insane journal.  Or where NeptuneSuzy flat out lied about her role in the pay scheme end of things at TSR.  I might not classify those actions as 'evil' per se, but they are pretty awful. 

Yeah, I've read those. I have to admit it does not help my faith in humanity...
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« Reply #1354 on: 2008 October 22, 23:21:53 »
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I have hope that much of that is due to the cult-like atmosphere at TSR.  It is easy to fall into.  I am stating right now that any SA or FA who is reading this is free to PM me here or at my insane journal and ask any question they would like to ask about how things are, or whatever.  I promise not to save, ever post or even mention those PM's to anyone else.  Anyone who knows me or has read my posts in various places will understand how seriously I take my promises. 
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« Reply #1355 on: 2008 October 22, 23:41:39 »
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And i keep thinking of this little bit of irony - the 'excuse' for not having anything to do with MTS2 on TSR is thier adult content, yet the stuff on TSR seems a lot more adult, just look at the smutty thread.
And even more ironic...I've still never even seen a hint of MTS2's adult area. I wouldn't know where to look for it.* But the porn wear/porn star sims on TSR are right there, easily accessible.

*I'm not asking for links. Not really in the market...ACR and Crammyboy's boy bits are all I desire in my game.
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« Reply #1356 on: 2008 October 22, 23:48:13 »
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And i keep thinking of this little bit of irony - the 'excuse' for not having anything to do with MTS2 on TSR is thier adult content, yet the stuff on TSR seems a lot more adult, just look at the smutty thread.
And even more ironic...I've still never even seen a hint of MTS2's adult area. I wouldn't know where to look for it.* But the porn wear/porn star sims on TSR are right there, easily accessible.

*I'm not asking for links. Not really in the market...ACR and Crammyboy's boy bits are all I desire in my game.

I'll admit I do enjoy a bit of smut in my game and I'm often stunned at how easy you can get to it. TSR is really one of the worst. Not in terms of graphic content (other sites are much, much worse) but in how easy it is to get. Not even bothering to put it in a seperate section? I just can't wrap my mind around that.

Tomato, I really hope you're right and the cult-like atmosphere you described is to blame for some of the drama. It does seem likely in most (not all) cases. Cal me naive, but I really like to think that people are basically decent, if a little messed up. I really hope someone PMs you. I'd never know of course, but it'd still be a huge step forward. TSR people reading this: I promise I for one will not bug Tomato to share anything you may want to tell her  Wink
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« Reply #1357 on: 2008 October 23, 01:19:51 »
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Out of lurk mode for a moment

As a former FA on TSR, I would like to apologize for any harm caused to anyone from the personal information that was given out to us in that thread coconut showed you many pages back.Now your information is spread all over the internet and for that I feel terrible.Did I see the list?Yes,I did.Did I give it a second thought?Not until it was posted here.Did I participate in the thread?Yes I did.Not as one of the cheering folks or plotting folks.Somewhere in there I told on Paden when she was posting on TSR-sorry Paden.
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« Reply #1358 on: 2008 October 23, 01:25:10 »
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Devilfish: Oh, but TSR is PG13! Roll Eyes  It can't have an adult section!

The problem is obviously that, even with all of the monies flowing in, Thomass can't bother to pay anyone to filter downloads.  The pr0n stars, booty links, etc usually have to be found by us before any of the TSR mods know they exist.

Re: the thread coconut posted, am I the only one kind of confused at how upset they all are?  The announcement that bonuses are being handed out doesn't seem that foreign of a concept to me; it happens all the time in the real world.  It's not like Thomass even announced who got them.

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« Reply #1359 on: 2008 October 23, 01:36:35 »
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Out of lurk mode for a moment

As a former FA on TSR, I would like to apologize for any harm caused to anyone from the personal information that was given out to us in that thread coconut showed you many pages back.Now your information is spread all over the internet and for that I feel terrible.Did I see the list?Yes,I did.Did I give it a second thought?Not until it was posted here.Did I participate in the thread?Yes I did.Not as one of the cheering folks or plotting folks.Somewhere in there I told on Paden when she was posting on TSR-sorry Paden.

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« Reply #1360 on: 2008 October 23, 01:49:30 »
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« Reply #1361 on: 2008 October 23, 01:52:40 »
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Hey De!   It is good to see another TSR refugee.  I don't know why you left, but I am glad you did.
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« Reply #1362 on: 2008 October 23, 01:53:08 »
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Yes,I was detimgi.Just De now.

Heh - you'll be LuckyAngel to me because I can't remember everyone's real names. Cheesy I see you've given up your select artist status too - so I think your contrition comes across as real. Smiley
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« Reply #1363 on: 2008 October 23, 01:56:02 »
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Hello LuckyAngel and welcome to freedom.  I'm just curious about one thing.  When you go and look up your old profile it doesn't show any of your old downloads and you aren't listed in the RA section.  If you don't mind me asking, what made you decide to leave TSR and what happened to all of your work?
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« Reply #1364 on: 2008 October 23, 01:59:26 »
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Hey Paleo!
Calalily,you can call me lucky for short Smiley.I never wanted the SA position at all.That was forced on me.I wanted to be demoted to untitled.But I had to get stupid for that to happen.
Titan,unfortunately my work is still there.I wasn't exactly retired Wink
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