Universal Sims...

[MMEStalker]

Please. If you quote, do it right and don't give me that bull when I exactly said that. You can't just ignore parts what I said EXACTLY what you are just telling me that I ignored.

I really don't think that this is worth discussing, especially if the other person ignores parts of what I said completely. This is not even discussing. Geez, gimme a break.

Huh, where did I do that? I wasn't saying that you said that everyone that watches child porn becomes an abuser. I don't get how the bit you've put in bold from my post shows I'm ignoring what you said in the bit from your post that you've put in bold. I think you may have misunderstood my post.

Edited to add. I didn't intend to insult you, I was just clarifying what the various terms mean, I didn't assume that you thought that all paedophiles went through the steps you listed, I just thought that your phrasing of '"steps" a pedophil takes' for example should have read more like 'the steps some paedophiles take towards becoming a child molester' and the way you've used paedophile to mean child abuser in earlier posts could lead to some confusion as to what you mean.

[redisenchanted]

Delphy's past is only relevant because of the pervvy forum that was at Mikeinside, which he hosted. It's not really relevant to the whole Universal Sims fiasco, that's a whole different slimy matter. Some of the specuation may be unfair, but he hasn't articulated a very satisfactory response to either matter. It's probably the smartest thing to do though, just hunker down and let it pass. Eventually it will all fade.

MTS2 isn't going away anytime soon, at least not because of this stuff. What's likely to kill it off is their silly refusal to allow meshes to be included in uploads, even when the creator gives permission.

[ghengisjohn]

They don't allow meshes in the downloads? Huh.

[MizzKitty]

Of course they don't!

Just look at them! They take everything that would be smart management and do the OPPOSITE. So WHY should they allow meshes?

 

[Diala]

So one out of two have a relapse. I'm sorry. Does hating pedophiles make me a bad person? In Germany, there are so many kids raped and murdered these days because some psychologists say *that they've recovered* and release them just so that the already convicted person can rape another kid. How awesome. Let's believe in the good of all people. Yay.

I'm sorry, I believe in the bad of all people. Everyone is evil somewhere, somehow. I rather codemn too much than put someone I care about at risk.

I am not saying that a pedo should be magically considered "cured" and then the person in question thrust back out into society, nor do I believe that a person shouldn't pay the price of their crime. If a person had actually raped a child, then that person should rightfully be watched over by at least someone of authority for the remainder of their lives. It is just a matter of safety that way.

That being said, no one really knows the root of all sexual tendencies, or what causes them. Why do you think being gay is so controversial? (No, I do not support gay reparative therapy, because being gay itself causes no harm to anyone.) Pedophilia is just one of the many issues that fall under our lack of understanding of human sexuality.

I understand that the poor recovery rate of pedophilia is a problem, but we shouldn't just deem something incurable just because right now we do not know the solution to the issue. Besides, if what you said was true, that pedos always remain the same, then why is there a 50% success rate? That means 50% of those who went through therapy actually have some sort of success in their lives. There must be something that works. I also do believe it depends on whether those who go through therapy actually want to change.

I just believe people who want help should have a chance of being able to return back to society in some way.  We shouldn't damn people forever, even if they show progress towards being healthy and have the determination to remain well. Take whatever preventative measures are necessary, but I believe in giving sincere people a second chance. If they screw up again, despite given all the treatment they can recieve, I don't have much mercy then.

[Pescado]

I agree with you Pescado but you haven't heard of the "steps" a pedophil takes, right?

First they just look at childporn...maybe just porn at first...nothing "bad" as y'all say...then they start watching...kids on playgrounds. Because they can't get the kick out of pictures anymore, they have to SEE them for REAL. And the last step would be...well...guess. Abusing a child.

Eh, I don't buy it. By that logic, the first step taken is generally being born, and we should we should get rid of them at that step, lest they become a child molester. It's an absurd solution, sure, but oddly appealing just for the sheer number of other problems it solves. Like I said, I don't agree with criminalizing thought.

So one out of two have a relapse. I'm sorry. Does hating pedophiles make me a bad person? In Germany, there are so many kids raped and murdered these days because some psychologists say *that they've recovered* and release them just so that the already convicted person can rape another kid. How awesome. Let's believe in the good of all people. Yay.

I would like to point out that the death penalty still has a flawless 0% recidivism rate.

I'm sorry, I believe in the bad of all people. Everyone is evil somewhere, somehow. I rather codemn too much than put someone I care about at risk.

Eh, I disagree with that. The occasional encounter with a child molester helps to remind children that the world is dangerous and full of child molesters, and that one should not accept candy from strangers.

I am not saying that a pedo should be magically considered "cured" and then the person in question thrust back out into society, nor do I believe that a person shouldn't pay the price of their crime. If a person had actually raped a child, then that person should rightfully be watched over by at least someone of authority for the remainder of their lives. It is just a matter of safety that way.

Again: Death penalty, 0% recidivism rate.

That being said, no one really knows the root of all sexual tendencies, or what causes them. Why do you think being gay is so controversial? (No, I do not support gay reparative therapy, because being gay itself causes no harm to anyone.) Pedophilia is just one of the many issues that fall under our lack of understanding of human sexuality.

It's all in the wiring. Until people figure out how to rewire people's heads, there's no way to cure this. Allegedly, some people have found out how to rewire sheep, resulting on a controversy of whether or not we SHOULD rewire said sheep, and whether or not the sheep have the right to be gay.

Besides, if what you said was true, that pedos always remain the same, then why is there a 50% success rate?

Because they haven't been caught yet?

I just believe people who want help should have a chance of being able to return back to society in some way.  We shouldn't damn people forever, even if they show progress towards being healthy and have the determination to remain well.

As I said on SFV, positive history means nothing, except that they haven't been caught yet and therefore have become more devious than before. Forgiveness is a character flaw of the weak.

[ghengisjohn]

Er, actually, he didn't figure out how to make sheep gay/not gay. That was Peta propaganda to try and get his experiments shut down.

And no, there really isn't much of a chance of 'curing' a pedophile. I rather like the death penalty idea. Pretty damn easy to prove too.

[calalily]

There is actually a chance of curing pedophilia, particularly when pedophiles turn themselves in for their own behaviour.  Some female pedophiles turn themselves in due to the disjunctive ideas about the 'caring mother' and the 'harmful rapist'.

Recidivism rates for offenders overall are about 64% - and statistics can't say for sure the recidivist rates of pedophiles - due to the hidden nature of the crime.  One thing is sure though, is that any pedophilia treatment requires that the pedophile admit what they did was wrong.  Australian correctional programs don't allow offenders to enter their courses until they admit such things.  As a result, more than a few pedophiles have had to serve their full sentence and leave with no treatment whatsoever.

Part of the danger is minimising it - this is what allows pedophiles to continue their actions, and feeds into cognitive dissonance (not seeing things as they really are - taking a child freezing in fear to mean that they like it).  Saying "oh - just a bit of porn - I have some too" is a problem.

For those that do - I ask the question - when exactly was the last time you went to court for the 'bit of porn'?  Courts don't have infinite resources to spend on prosecuting every single person who does something wrong, and if it were a simple offence, it never would have gone to court.