Universal Sims...

[Pescado]

Heh, if you want to get delisted just link to PMBD. You are a Pirate!

[Quorneater]

That's right, it will get you off the list - and let us know as we don't re-assess sites very often

But sorry it still doesn't get you chucked off the forum

[beawaywithit]

I think the host (delphy is it?) has to be negligent in some way, someone hire a lawyer? lol


teadrinker why do you get to decide who is a paysite, who is better than anyone else, etc?

Nobody made you queen of the world. get off your high horse, the FFSS website (or whatever its acronym is) is empty, a pile of rubbish, nothing but people who want to known in the community (albeit for stupid reasons)

You say paysites tear the community up - well so does your classification system. just let people be , paysite or non-paysite, they don't need rigorous rules

i also dont think you should be listing and rating other peoples websites without their consent. On other top site lists etc you register/submit your site. going around blacklisting other websites destroys the community spirit

and id say this on your website but I trie to register and put the wrong e-mail address so now I cant join it

[Pescado]

On the fed, MTS2 is actually a class C paysite, under the clause that they have content that requires you to part with money before you can use it.

Ooh. What do PMBD and MATY classify as? Are we too evil to be classified?

[Quorneater]

PMBD is ClassP

[Quorneater]

i also dont think you should be listing and rating other peoples websites without their consent. On other top site lists etc you register/submit your site. going around blacklisting other websites destroys the community spirit

This is ignorant nonsense.  Lots of sites have lists and finds pages and *most* of those maintain them themselves with their own choice of sites. (eg Community Updates at N99, Parsimonious)

Also many sites give out awards for various criteria - again chosen by their own staff (eg Moomoos and Featured at MTS2, SimMoms, Parsimonious again).

And what about nearly every sims fansite on the planet has a page of "favourite sites" link buttons!  You're just all a-fluster cos we're judging on unusual criteria rather than "quality" or "favourite".  Who wants just one more quality-ranked list?  Please relax the boundaries of your mind.

and id say this on your website but I trie to register and put the wrong e-mail address so now I cant join it

Sounds like a lucky escape for you.  Be happy.

[Tchannie]

What is Class P then? What does that mean?
If you link to PMBD you won't get a mention? Aiight, that's me out then... ^^^

And I'm starting to agree with everyone believing Nathan has a part of this. He doesn't show the right signs of some kid who has been hit with an inconceivably massive bill and wants to be away with it.

Take me, for example. I've my own site, I'm basically a kid (nearly 18, just a couple of months). If I had someone hosting me and they slammed me with a bill so bloody huge, I'd cry a bit, complain to whoever would listen (and those who wouldn't), try and negotiate, and if nothing happened there I'd pull my site and run for the hills...

Nathan really isn't acting normally...

[Quorneater]

In fact, Nathan might not really be Nathan, he might have someone's hand in him.   It's not that hard to pretend to be a kid, people have been known to impersonate young people on the internet, for a variety of reasons.

[Tchannie]

You're right; he may not be a kid...

[Pescado]

Also many sites give out awards for various criteria - again chosen by their own staff (eg Moomoos and Featured at MTS2, SimMoms, Parsimonious again).

Cows and Trophies on MTS2 are awarded to individuals, though, not sites, so this is not a good example.

Ultimately, though, meh. I bask in my disapproval! Do what you want cuz a pirate is free: YOU ARE A PIRATE!

[Quorneater]

Why don't we start a separate thread for slagging off the federation?  This is one thread I *don't* think should be derailed.

[Pescado]

Hey, who's fault is it for starting on about the Federation, anyway? Aren't you people supposed to have a Prime Directive or something?

[Quorneater]

I was pointing out that Delphy is not properly anti-paysite cos his site, for which he makes up the rules, is run in such a way that it supports paysites.  Forget I mentioned The F********.   My opinion as an individual is that if people have recolours of pay meshes on their site, they are helping to keep paysites going.  If they have links advertising paysites, they are helping to keep people going to paysites, and possibly subscribing to them while they are there.

A real anti-paysite person won't have things on their own site that direct people to paysites.

[Anouk]

OT:
Never in my life have I made a pay item. My site has always been 100% free. I use free meshes that are originally from paysites, but can be found allmost everywhere. Out of respect to the creator and his/her creation, I link back to the site it comes from, wether it be pay or free. I do that because I don't want to claim ownership of something that I did not make.

Therefore I am not a true or proper anti paysite person.

However, FFFS supports paysites by allowing them to go on selling stuff that can be gotten fro free on PMND, saying it is theft. Now what is real theft?? Selling stuff that is supposed to be free, is against the EULA, or providing these files for free without harm (except financial, wich is ILLEGAL finance anyway) to paysites?

PMND is not modifying their content. They offer and host it for free, like it's supposed to be.

Are you a true and proper anti paysite person, (as a FFFS member)?
Or are you (as FFFS), maybe, just allowing paysites to continue on by blacklisting sites that do justice by linking to somewhere to get the files for free, as they are supposed to be?

Like it or not, you guys are one of the reasons that paysites keep going.

Not meant to be a personal attack, but it's how I view it, and it's how it works...

[Quorneater]

So Nouk, are you saying Delphy is anti-paysite?