Ea makes statement March 2 making paysites ok?

[uknortherner]

Hope you all won't be terribly angry if I jump back a page or two. Because frankly, if you want to talk about logic, then there is some logic here that I don't understand. I mean, now Numenor is a class A fuckwit because he didn’t tell Beos that the cancer comment was out of order?  What kind of logic is that? Definitely one where pretty much most of us here are class A fuckwits because we didn’t post that either on Beos’ blog. Besides – just for the sake of argument – how do you know that Numenor didn’t write that in his post, but that Beos edited it out. Come on, guys.

I guess what I'm trying to say is let's just lay off Numenor a little, okay. He's angry at pirates, and personally I understand why he's peeved. Apparantly some people are offended by his anger, but honestly, cut him some slack. We all owe him, and on that account I think we can spare some slack-cutting.

I have absolutely no intention of laying off Numenor unless he comes here, himself and tells us all he did NOT make that comment, and he does NOT support BBB's asscancer statement. At the very least, he can explain himself. I'm sure I'm not the only person here (in fact I know I'm not), who lost a lot of respect for Numenor when I read his comment.

Likewise, seeing as you inferred that I was a class A fuckwit for daring to pull up the so-called mod-god himself on the matter, I'm not letting you off the hook either.

[Darqstar]

As someone who has watched an awful lot of Southpark, I don't think "asscancer" comes from the first episode. It comes up in the episode where Cartman made this kid, Keven,  eat his parents. (No, not that way, eat as in "lunchtime")  Cartman  writes to RadioHead (Kevin's favorite group) to get them to come to SouthPark to watch Kevin's ultimate humiliation (eating his parents without knowing) and tells them (Radiohead) that Keven has "Cancer.  Of the Ass."

I don't remember it in the first one.

As for the "It's in the media, it's all right" blanket excuse,  I watched a TV program where this guy was shot by someone who got sick of his punk mouth.  Can I do that to BBB? After all, it's on TV, it's all cool then. 

[dietofworms]

(And speaking about Pes, just as a sidenote, funny how it is fine for him to for instance say to a newborn mother (not me) and her child that they both need to die horribly and painfully, whereas Numenor can’t say ‘fuck you’ without getting his head chopped off. Double-standards anyone?)

Well, there's a point to be had that Numenor claims to be a good guy, whereas I claim to be a shameless asshole that neither expects nor deserves sympathy. This takes the bite out of any attack against me right there: If I do a jerkass thing, what are you going to say about it, that I'm a real jerk? I think that this is already an established point. Besides, you agree with me. And that's what really matters. Don't pretend it doesn't.

But the claim you're a shameless asshole is also a way to declare yourself immune to legitimate criticism.  It's like a neo-Nazi saying it's ok to proclaim that Jews are the devil's spawn because, well, you can expect it of me, I'm a neo-Nazi.  In your own mind, It gives you carte blanche to do and say anything you want.

BBB's comment is sick, so is your comment about the baby and mother dying.  You can't get off the hook that easily, Pescado.

[Nightmare]

(And speaking about Pes, just as a sidenote, funny how it is fine for him to for instance say to a newborn mother (not me) and her child that they both need to die horribly and painfully, whereas Numenor can’t say ‘fuck you’ without getting his head chopped off. Double-standards anyone?)

Well, there's a point to be had that Numenor claims to be a good guy, whereas I claim to be a shameless asshole that neither expects nor deserves sympathy. This takes the bite out of any attack against me right there: If I do a jerkass thing, what are you going to say about it, that I'm a real jerk? I think that this is already an established point. Besides, you agree with me. And that's what really matters. Don't pretend it doesn't.

But the claim you're a shameless asshole is also a way to declare yourself immune to legitimate criticism.  It's like a neo-Nazi saying it's ok to proclaim that Jews are the devil's spawn because, well, you can expect it of me, I'm a neo-Nazi.  In your own mind, It gives you carte blanche to do and say anything you want.

BBB's comment is sick, so is your comment about the baby and mother dying.  You can't get off the hook that easily, Pescado.

He won´t sleep this night, worried about your words 

[minionsRmine]

Unfortunately, SimMasterBurpie was only following orders given her by the Maxoids.  And when it blew up, they threw her under the bus as a sacrifice.  She's a very good friend of mine and she was not happy about any of it.

Out of respect of Burpie and yourself, whether or not the Maxoids gave her false information to say on the boards, she was let go for her abusive language to other simmers. To me, it wasn't the miscommunication that Burpie had with anyone but her comment about usb cables that got her thrown under the bus.

[Requip]

To me, it wasn't the miscommunication that Burpie had with anyone but her comment about usb cables that got her thrown under the bus

screenies?  I was banned on the BBS so missed alot of the stoopid stuff that came. 

[BlueSoup]

Out of respect of Burpie and yourself, whether or not the Maxoids gave her false information to say on the boards, she was let go for her abusive language to other simmers. To me, it wasn't the miscommunication that Burpie had with anyone but her comment about usb cables that got her thrown under the bus.

I can't say everything that happened, but I know she can be hot-headed and I don't doubt she got out of line.  I feel sorry for most of the SimMasters having to put up with all that EA bullshit.

[Devilfish]

In truth, I only care about artists' rights, end of story.

This bugs me the most. I personally care for the rights of everyone who dropped hundreds of dollars on all these games and EPs and makes an effort to be active in the community. And I'm not saying downloading CC is a godgiven right. I'm saying not being lied to and cheated while downloading CC is their right.
With all due respect to creators reading this, I will never concider any of you artists. Creating for this game is a craft, not an art. Some of you are amazingly good at this craft and some aren't, but it's not freaking art and BBB, you're definetely no Michelangelo or Wilde.

And Moune, I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but you're really coming across as a fanboy. Every time we make a point you skip to some new alledged crime we commited against the great Numernor. I'd like to have a proper conversation about all this, and I understand this thread is rather hectic a the moment, but you're all over the place with your arguments. I hope you've gathered that we all respect Numenor as a modder. Whether we, as a group, respect him as a person is under discussion at the moment.
And Pes does not get away with all the horrible crap he says. Why do you think calalily must die anyway? Snoop around there's plenty of instances of mutiny. Besides, you can't say Numenor has bought himself the right to be an asshole and then turn around and say Pes should behave himself (see wher my fanboy comment comes from?). Thing is, we're all pretty sure Pes isn't really an oooold man with a beard who lives in a bombproof shelter with Misses Pescado, who is also old and bearded.

I'm all for respecting the efforts of those people who have worked to make the game what it is, but sucking their e-peen just because they're e-turkeyslapping me is just not my style.

[calalily]

Me too minionsRmine - me too.

To me, it wasn't the miscommunication that Burpie had with anyone but her comment about usb cables that got her thrown under the bus

screenies?  I was banned on the BBS so missed alot of the stoopid stuff that came. 

Your wish is my command. 

[Kaitlyn]

So she admits that even on her computer Suckurom is causing her game disk not to be read because it thinks she pirated the game, but she still defends EA's use of it?  Geez, what a card.   

No comment on the strangling with USB cables... 

[BlueSoup]

Masters of dredging up the past, huh?

She obviously made mistakes.  But so did EA, way moreso than Burpie ever did.  And isn't EA who we're all supposed to be mad at?   

I for one hope they either enforce the EULA, or willfully ignore it on ALL fronts, both pro-pay and pro-booty.

[Devilfish]

Alright, put the petition up on my LJ, hopefully it'll get some extra attention there. People with websites and blogs, why not put it up as well? The more autographs the better, I'd think.

I just realized: she made a statement that endorses the rights of people to sell Sim porn.

DO EET. Make a proof of concept site selling porn just to get them to shut you down.

Right, so this time I'm neither drunk or hung over and it still sounds like a neat (albeit fairly disgusting) idea.

Do eet y/n?

[Missbonbon]

Good morning.  Wow, sleep does you good, doesn't it?

I would hope it would help or else sleep would be pointless lol. 

Hope you all won't be terribly angry if I jump back a page or two. Because frankly, if you want to talk about logic, then there is some logic here that I don't understand. I mean, now Numenor is a class A fuckwit because he didn’t tell Beos that the cancer comment was out of order?  What kind of logic is that? Definitely one where pretty much most of us here are class A fuckwits because we didn’t post that either on Beos’ blog. Besides – just for the sake of argument – how do you know that Numenor didn’t write that in his post, but that Beos edited it out. Come on, guys.

I'm sure no one would mind if you jump back in time. I think discussions about issues help us evolve our standpoints.

Numenor is a grown adult and should know when things are okay and when things are not okay. Obviously by Beos addendum, he has been receiving some sort of hate comments for his ass cancer remark. I'm sure people are making remarks on his blog, but we won't see them. Nope because he is moderating them. As for his comment being edited, there has been almost an entire day passed, give or take a couple hours, for Numenor to speak out against it. He has not. So until he can speak out, and give proof that his comment was edited by Beos, I will stand by my belief that he said nothing.

Uhm, no. And I think several people are making that mistake. Numenor did NOT say anything about ass cancer. Only Beos did that. What Numenor did was say ‘FUCK YOU’ to all pirates. I'd say that's an entirely different kind of comment.

It is entirely different. But when nothing was said against the ass cancer remark that's when it got dirty. Let's take another travel back to the past and go to the start of the information sharing thread. Don't you remember how many FA's/Mods that were/was there during the whole scandal that got persecuted because they didn't say anything? They didn't tell TSR to stop, or they didn't notify any authorities. Just because there is a problem and someone sees it and does not partake, doesn't mean they are excluded from the problem.

Maybe I also need to point out that I’m not defending Beos. I fully agree that that comment was absolutely uncalled for. But Beos’ wrong-doing doesn’t make Numenor guilty. I completely fail to see how Beos and Numenor can have any resemblance to Bonnie and Clyde. What’s the connection between them? Do they have the same kind of personality? Most certainly not. If anything Beos has much more likeness with Pescado.

Of course Numenor and Beos aren't old western gun slingers. The point is that while talking about this subject both names pretty much have to be mentioned. Because it's not the case that Beos made a wretched comment and that was it, but more of a case that Beos made a wretched comment, and Numenor partaked it in.

(And speaking about Pes, just as a sidenote, funny how it is fine for him to for instance say to a newborn mother (not me) and her child that they both need to die horribly and painfully, whereas Numenor can’t say ‘fuck you’ without getting his head chopped off. Double-standards anyone?)

I will admit that most of Pes says that is offensive, I ignore. Not because I'm trying to be hypocritical, but that man could tell a blade of grass it was wrong and win if he wanted to. Pes won't change, and if he makes a shocking remark such as a baby and her mother need to die, and negativity that comes from it he enjoys. So if we praise him it doesn't get fixed, and if we insult him it doesn't get fixed. It's a circular road that there's no point in being on.

I guess what I'm trying to say is let's just lay off Numenor a little, okay. He's angry at pirates, and personally I understand why he's peeved. Apparantly some people are offended by his anger, but honestly, cut him some slack. We all owe him, and on that account I think we can spare some slack-cutting.

Moune, I can lay off of Numenor if you wish Or atleast try. I may voice my opinion else where though.

Missbonbon, please go back and read my original post – the one you replied to. I am not talking about CEP, but SimPE. For the simple reason that there were false claims going around that the creators of SimPE did not allow pay objects to be made with their tool. So far I have seen nothing to back up those claims. So until there is a statement on the SimPE site or an equally ‘official’ place can we please all stick to facts and refrain from creating that rumour.

I did read it. I get your point that SimPe doesn't say paysites can't use it. I don't think your getting my point though. I did not ever say SimPe had that clause and if I did I would like you to point it out to me. My point was that at one point and time the CEP did have it.

[Eskimo Pie]

sim porn...umm no thanks!

I downloaded a lot once from the exchange, I had no idea the shower was "special" when I moved a family in. Some visitors arrive and the next thing I know Mary Sue Pleasent and Goopy are going at it in the shower. O.O Then my sim husband had a go at her! all on their own , not even knowing each other. I had a good laugh but I had to get rid of it... something kinda disturbing about the whole thing LOL

[Devilfish]

I downloaded a lot once from the exchange, I had no idea the shower was "special" when I moved a family in.

Um, yeah, that's just wrong. One of the many, many reasons the Exchange needs to DIAF.

Just to clarify, this site would be a statement, not my chance to finally make money peddling smut on the internet (if that was the goal, I'd have joined TSR ages ago). Nothing would be sold and no actual money would be transferred. The way you can buy a subscription to MATY.

Sims porn... yeah, I'm not a fan. Making statements and causing mischief? So me.