Insim under new management!

[Anouk]

You should realize you will have no integrity left in the eyes of fence sitters and paysitelovers, and you will be handing paysite supporters exactly what they've waited for: a real reason to show how pirates are no better. Not to mention you take away a choice for free creators who are still on there.

[SoggyFox]

I think its more its a side effect - Thoma$$ would just burn a site to destroy it to force the creators to come to him.  I could be wrong, but I don't see Pes doing something like that except as a last resort.  I'm inclined to trust him - he might be a curmudgeonly old crouch but he's both competent and does good stuff for the sims community.

I don't want it burned, but I don't want Insim just completely gone even more, you know?

[Anouk]

The goal is good, but the method is wrong. If you can;t find another way, at least you can say you didn't resort to damaging someone's property, even though it's temporarily.
Say, wasn't my site only DDossed temporarily? And this site? Gee.

[Titan]

Cloning the site is one thing but, to take down a site/burn it, I can't agree that that is the right thing to do.  When the new site is set up, Insim will basically be deserted not long after that.  Majority of the Insims will more than likely either go to the new one, or go to another site.  There are a few members; over at Reflexsims Forum, who have admitted that they are from Insim originally but, they are considering making Reflex their new home.  
Burning the site; puts us right at the same level as Thomas, and that right there tells me that it's the wrong decision to do.  

[Zazazu]

You should realize you will have no integrity left in the eyes of fence sitters and paysitelovers, and you will be handing paysite supporters exactly what they've waited for: a real reason to show how pirates are no better. Not to mention you take away a choice for free creators who are still on there.

This. I'm patently against burning, or mass-deleting items off the site. If individual creators want to delete their threads, fine. Iin no way do I have the right to go out and zorch your stuff from the home you've given it just because I don't like what that guy over there is doing.

If things are lost whilst going the slow, but respectful, way, then so be it.

[fway]

Since tomorrow is December 1st in the United States, I'd suggest waiting until the bandwith gets restored? (doesn't it?) You'll just have to warn the others of not making a free for all. Also, don't forget that as the 12s in the United States go to school the 12s from schools around the world are leaving to go home or already out of school! Make the effort to stop them! 12s, they have failed us, you must not!

Abstain.

[neriana]

I have to think about it more. I don't think this is a normal situation, I don't know that it can be directly compared to, say, deciding to bring TSR down through server attacks or something. I'd rather things could just calm down, since tomorrow there won't be so many people trying to see the site.

The site wouldn't be permanently burned, correct? I dunno. I'm not inclined to trust Pescado about everything. I do not like the idea of a new site founded on taking down an old site with server attacks. I just think there has to be a better way. Someone needs to suck up to Walt.

[Anouk]

You know what, Walt can't keep the community there even if he wanted to. Let's say he closes the thing down.
Well SHIT on him, that asshole. All those creators can and will do without him. He can lock shit down all he wants, but you can't physically force people to not upload their OWN stuff eslewhere, you cant force them to stay on a forum they don't want to be on, and you will never keep them away from building a new home.

[Bliss]

I am with Nouk and Paden.  Do not burn.  We are not destroyers of anything except paysites.  We don't take down actual servers.

[Yaardarm Monkey II]

Nouk is right.


Stop and think everyone.  There is right and there is wrong; and it is Walt's site, however a person may not like him, or have altruistic reasons for 'saving' Insim...Insim does belong to him.

Individual files, they are the creators concern.

For the sake of decency and ethical responsibility, stop and think.  
This "burn it, burn it" talk is like something out of Lord Of The Flies for crying out loud!  

I say it again: Nouk is right.  Listen to Nouk.

[Anouk]

All your rum are belong to us!

[Paden]

The community belongs to the community and they can take it to any site that is set up for them. Same with uploads. The staff are ready to start laying the groundwork of a new home, we just need a place to do it. Some of the data and old stuff would be nice, yes. It would be like putting in the old grandfather clock from your parent's home. But, I dare say, if they have a place to go, the community will come and bring all to it that once rested at InSIM.

[Pescado]

The site wouldn't be permanently burned, correct? I dunno. I'm not inclined to trust Pescado about everything. I do not like the idea of a new site founded on taking down an old site with server attacks. I just think there has to be a better way. Someone needs to suck up to Walt.

No, I was just thinking of something like spiking a database table to render it unreadable and thus cause the forum to stop functioning, halting the SWARM OF 12s. The repair would be pretty trivial. At the moment, it seems not to be necessary, though.

[neriana]

I've been wondering, why does the entire site need to be nabbed anyway? People seem to have gotten most of the downloads by now, and most of the creators certainly have back-ups. The stories and contests are there, so long as the site can be accessed when it's not being melted, and people can screencap/recreate whatever they want from those. (Though I do not understand why they'd need to recreate the contests, and I'd think most story writers would have their own copies they could re-upload somewhere.) A new Insim site certainly does not need 500 bajillion old "thanks!" and "boobies!" posts. So what's the panic?

[scrappysim]

I think let him come back in and let things settle down a bit.  He has only made 12 posts.  He has had the weekend to see what is happening (and we know he has seen something because he has had to reboot the servers a few times).  Maybe he will come in on Monday and finally respond to some of the issues.  Then when it is all calm and everyone is as reasurred as they can be, the "back-up" can resume.  Right now this is all too fresh for people and that is what is causing the storm.  No one has been given any reason to think that the site was going to go pay tomorrow so the creators taht are saying "I want to get my stuff before he tries to sell it without my permission" need to relax and give it a few days.

None of this should be percieved as me in any way condoning or sticking up for Walt.  I just want the site to be able to survive and I dont think killing it so that you can try to resurect it is the way to go yet.  It has only been a few days.  We dont know enough yet.