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« Reply #5505 on: 2009 October 24, 15:07:11 »
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« Reply #5506 on: 2009 October 24, 15:36:30 »
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You have to realize that the whole EULA thing is unadulterated bullshit.  First, the EULA itself is of questionable legal validity.  From a contract point of view, there is no consideration supporting it.  Without consideration, it does not form a binding contract. (At least in the eyes of some courts, that is.)

How do you figure that? That statement basically invalidates the EULA's of practically all software, including any content from a paysite. (Payment + Product= Consideration) However going with line of thought, if that's the case, how can we be stealing? Everything in the booty is bought and paid for so we're only possibly violating TOS's of paysites which you so helpfully pointed out are probably invalid anyway.  Or do feel it's is only TSR that has any right to claim ownership?

Even if the EULA is valid, EA has the exclusive right to enforce it.  The EULA does not give any rights to anyone but EA.  In law, this is governed by the doctrine of Jus Tertii.  In most cases, a Jus Tertii argument does not hold water.

Ya well we're doing it anyway, so suck it up

In any case, EA does not interpret its EULA the same way you do.  In fact, EA apparently condones pay sites, and may actually be in cahoots with TSR.  At the very least, they are aware of TSR's activities and have taken no action to shut them down.  They have not been so kind to other sites.  (Back Alley Sims comes immediately to mind.)

Well EA is not exactly coming after us either are they? I think they enjoy our little arrangement, it's good for business.

Finally, I would not that there is a whole thread on MATY consisting of items pirated from EA's store.  Certainly, no on is stating that EA is violating it's own EULA or is even bound by it.

This is PMBD actually, there is no store content here or will there ever be. Do try and keep up.

Like any ordinary thief, the people making the EULA argument are just trying to find a justification for their thievery.

Which brings us back to point 1.

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« Reply #5507 on: 2009 October 24, 16:08:41 »
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I didn't see this before but...

You stupid bitch. He was convicted of raping my CHILD.

If I were you, I really would not brag about letting a pedophile have access to my children.  It's actually real sick.

Oh you're dead now. If I was Paden, your ass would be meeting my boot-with-ten-inch-spike attached. No one fucking brags about allowing this to happen; if they do they're as fucking sick and twisted as the person who did it. Paden is not one of them, and infact from the quote you quoted she's inclined to burn pedophiles at the stake. Just leave the fourm already.
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« Reply #5508 on: 2009 October 24, 16:17:57 »
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I didn't see this before but...

You stupid bitch. He was convicted of raping my CHILD.

If I were you, I really would not brag about letting a pedophile have access to my children.  It's actually real sick.

Oh you're dead now. If I was Paden, your ass would be meeting my boot-with-ten-inch-spike attached. No one fucking brags about allowing this to happen; if they do they're as fucking sick and twisted as the person who did it. Paden is not one of them, and infact from the quote you quoted she's inclined to burn pedophiles at the stake. Just leave the fourm already.

Actually, I am going with Anyerfillag and Paden on this one.  I might not always agree with Paden, but I would bet my little toe that just as soon as she found out what was going on, she took steps.  As far as I can tell, she takes her parenting pretty seriously.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out she kicked the crap out of him.  And good for her if she did. 
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« Reply #5509 on: 2009 October 24, 16:20:48 »
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It's lawyers like you that put the scum-sucking bottom feeders into the higher tax brackets. One thing I learned after the fact is that these people can wear normalcy as a mask to hide what they really are, and that bastard had it down to an art. If you want to make a habit of mocking someone's misfortunes, take it where you can make money at it, bastard. When it happens to one of your family members, IF it happens to one of your family members, then maybe you will understand what the word devastation means and be determined that it will never happen to another family's child if you can possibly help it. If I were you, I'd try to grow some empathy in that fat, money-grubbing greedy soul of yours before you shrivel up worse than a worm left in the sun. Oh, wait, you already have. Prick.

ETA: Thanks, Anyer and Paleo. I couldn't get to him physically due to being restrained, but I did the next best thing and took him for all he owned and sold it. Or destroyed it. Then I divorced his ass and made sure all of his decent friends knew what he had done.
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« Reply #5510 on: 2009 October 24, 16:55:58 »
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I had to calm down before replying, so I made some pink lemonade and ice tea. Whew!

I have been reading the posts by this tjstreak and had just blew it off as someone preaching from their soapbox about the wrongs of being a pirate especially against TSR. How wrong we are for P & L at the creations and calling names. Poo on us.

So to combat our laughter and mocking of pixels, you come here and mock someone of their personal, grief and total devastation in return, makes you as low as the ones you are defending. We all know in this forum that the people who run TSR are douchbags, there is no way of defending that fact to make us change our minds.  We didn't know anything about you til you ended up with an asshole assumption of what you think we are for not buying TSR products. Then s/h/it comes back with the last nasty comments to get a rise out of Paden. How highclass you are, tjstreak.

I too was a victim of childhood molestation, so I tend to take seriously calling someone a pedophile, never do it in jest cause when I call it, I want it taken for a fact. I don't know anything about Evi and never read her minisite, so I don't judge her on what she does with pixels. I also don't download anything that misrepresent children in my game, ie mods, slutty clothes or hairdos. I just shake my head and pass on it.

If what is happening on this forum bothers you tjstreak, you don't belong here anyway. Go to whatever community you belong with the other TSR la la landers and talk on your soapbox there. We don't need to hear that arguement anymore.

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« Reply #5511 on: 2009 October 24, 18:44:29 »
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I’m going to start out with this quote, so there’s no mixing up of issues. This is the post, I’m responding to.

You stupid bitch. He was convicted of raping my CHILD. He won't be getting out for a few more years and then his goddamn ass will be deported and hopefully killed in his own country for what he has done. Flinging shit around about people that have been there, seen that and had to go through serious therapy on their own behalf because of what it did to their own minds and know what they're talking about because they've studied the habits of monsters like these so it doesn't happen again is stupid. Then again, what else can one expect from someone that doesn't understand what goes on. I am a morally responsible person and that person known as evi comes off as a sick individual. If I didn't give a damn about people possibly being contaminated by such a one, I wouldn't say a word. Then again, I can't expect a sheltered little lass such as yourself to have had much, if any, experience with the harsher aspects of life, now can I? Fuck off and die, little snowflake.

ETA: I said it was my opinion, what part of that did your little brain not comprehend? Or are you so soaked into your own country's views upon the matter that you don't admit that people can say they have one?? No one here is my minion, either. They have minds of their own and can make them up freely, as I have done. My opinion on things won't change as long as a rabid little rainbow flinger like yourself keeps yapping at my heels and biting my ankles. As for what Hec would have said, how the hell would you have known, did YOU ever chat with her on MSN?? Or anywhere else? Some of us did and know damn well what she would or would not have said. Bite me. You are not my judge. You are not my jury. You are not someone that matters to me in the least fucking bit.

Paden, your arguments really aren’t getting any more intelligent, as we go along. Now, your response to everything is to call me a ‘stupid bitch’, ‘someone who doesn’t understand what’s going on’, ‘a sheltered little lass’ and then to tell me to ‘fuck off and die’ – among other nice things. I don’t know how you expect anybody to take you and your points of view seriously. Really.

Let’s just get a few things straight:

You know absolutely nothing about me, my life, and what it has put me through. So don’t overstep your bounds by making assumptions you are not remotely qualified to make – let alone claim that you’re the only one here who has had a hard time.

I’ve already said I have the deepest sympathy with you over the situation with your husband. I’m glad he was convicted. I think tjstreak’s comment was out of line, and I have no doubt that you did everything you could to pr otect your child. I also understand very well why you have strong views about pedophilia.

But it still doesn’t qualify you as an expert at sniffing out pedophiles on the internet. That’s what I keep saying and that’s apparently why you feel it necessary to tell me to ‘fuck off and die’. How mature and intelligent.

You flaunt your ignorance. I know Hecubus very well. I’ve had several long conversations with her through emails, a private forum and PM’s here – dating back to before I even began posting at PMBD. If you don’t believe me, have a look in the old NeptuneSuzy thread. Around about page 20. I was known as Peachfish at the time.

... Had she bothered to use the damn search button, she would have been able to read past history, but was apparently too high up on nosebleed horsie to do it. ...


I will never ever use the search button here to look for information about people’s private lives. I will search for information about paysites and debates about paysites, because this place is about paysites. This place is not about people’s private lives – not yours, Paden, not anyone else’s – so I will never spend time searching for information about it here. Talk about thinking you're a special snowflake!

Then for anybody out there who still thinks it’s cool to speculate that Evi is obsessed with children and therefore a pedophile. Consider these things:

My mother is obsessed with children. She loves them, adores them and can’t keep away from them no matter whose they are and where she meets them. She does charity work to help children and she says that if she could relive her life she would change her career to something do to do with helping children. If she made clothes for The Sims, she would make clothes for children only.

My mother is no pedophile. I assure you.

As for the claim of obsession: A good portion of Evie’s clothes aren’t for children or toddlers. I’m not about to go through all her creations, but if you look through the first 10 pages, the score is that 50 out of 177 outfits – or almost a third – are for adults and teens. Not a sign of an all-consuming obsession with children in my book.

On those 10 pages there are no even remotely pornographic outfits for children whatsoever. There is a series of eight sleepwear girl outfits with bare midriffs that I find cute rather than ‘debasing’ - which I believe was the term used in this thread about them. There are some quite normal swim suits. There are three everyday outfits for girls with bare midriffs and there are three outfits with a short dress and long boots instead of leggings underneath it. Sure they aren’t Victorian, but I think you’d have to be pretty prude to be offended by them. Around here you often see little girls dressed like that – probably by their mothers who most likely aren’t pedophiles either.

To sum it up: I don’t think you even have enough to call Evie ‘creepy’ as suggested, but it’s one hell of a lot better than pedophile which is what this began with.

The above is called research. It would suit a number of people here if they did some research before flinging out accusations instead of just going on what things seem to be and what everyone else says.

This is turning into a very long post.

Paleo, yes it does help. Thank you. And the same goes for you, DoW. I am really, really glad that you two are still out there.

Finally, tjstreak, others have already made a number of very valid points about your statements, so I’ll just say this: You need to remember that there are many kinds of pirates. There are people here (or at least there used to be) who are against paysites, but who won’t download stuff from the booty. Because it’s crap, because they can’t be bothered or because they destroy paysites by simply avoiding them. Because they don’t care about having paysite stuff in their games and because they want it or need it. Destroying paysites is not necessarily about greed. It’s also very much about principles. Go read here for a more thorough explanation:

http://mounes-neighbourhood.110mb.com/PiratesPaysites.html

And don’t go away. It’s refreshing to have somebody here who actually wants to have a debate about paysite issues. We haven’t had one of them for ages, and some people around here have apparently become lazy and self-righteous and think they should just tell everybody who doesn’t agree with them to bugger off. That’s not what happened in the PMBD I used to frequent. We’d tell trolls to fuck off, but anyone else would be welcomed into the debating fold with open arms. And then mostly torn to pieces and subsequently assimilated. 

Just lay off the nasty comments about people’s private lives, will you. They are completely uncalled for and totally out of line.

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« Reply #5512 on: 2009 October 24, 19:32:54 »
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Where's the "don't feed the trolls" macro.  I believe it's time.
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« Reply #5513 on: 2009 October 24, 20:10:00 »
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tjstreak, if you have to come to Paysites Must Be Destroyed to advertise the fact that you're a lawyer, then you must not really be a lawyer. A law student perhaps or someone aspiring to be a lawyer. This IS the internets; you could be a hobo for all I know.

And really, don't try to prove anything. You'll just make yourself look even more like an arse. If I were you, I'd just logout and lurk for a while. Then maybe if you stop acting like a bumbling idiot, maybe you won't have to try to lamely defend yourself and your best friends at The Sims Resource.
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« Reply #5514 on: 2009 October 24, 20:18:06 »
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Moune, I do apologize for my harsh words towards you, but it gets my blood up when people discount the things I've learned because of what I've experienced. There is nothing like living through the worst in your life and then to be told that you don't know jack shit about the kind of personalities that perpetrate those kinds of sick crimes. Forgive?

All this is made harder by some things that are going on with said daughter right now, she's not having an easy time of it. Just two months shy of being married for half a year and has lost her own child two months into the first trimester, feeling all sorts of overwhelmed at times and yeah, you can get the general idea. I don't mind the adoring grandparent types of people, I mean, c'mon, who doesn't at least once want to bury their noses into a baby's fresh bathed toes and tickle them, and what proud parent/grandparent doesn't wanna bust out the photos and show them to other family members and friend? I will admit to being more sensitive at what I perceive as oddness, though.

I was one of those (and still am) parents that know exactly what my child is wearing at any given moment in time, exactly what they are doing and where they are at. When I met the [censored] I was a stay at home, single parent that lived with my dad. The guy knew how to disguise his true intentions and bowl a person over, plus how to blind the radar most people have toward sick freaks. So, we married, I took a job outside the home on a differing work schedule from him and he started in on my daughter. The rest is tl;dr so won't bore you. But it devastated me because that child was my life and reason for living. We're back in each other's lives, but that doesn't mean we don't regret and mourn the time we were apart. I'm remarried to a different, decent man and we have a child. I am again a stay at home mother, this time to a child with special needs and you can bet your soul that I won't be leaving him with anyone. Once burnt, twice shy.

I know, this is probably tmi and tl;dr for most of you, but I felt that I owed Moune the facts for why I react the way that I do, and hope that she and I can put this ugliness behind us. We're on the same side, after all. We both want paysites to be a thing of the past. Now, whether or not she forgives is another matter. The fight was in public, so the apology and history are in public.
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« Reply #5515 on: 2009 October 24, 21:46:55 »
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After reading the statement about tjstreak most likely not being a lawyer- I'd have to agree with that. He/she honestly  thinks that the EULA isn't a valid contract? Hmmm..my neighbor and I could scribble out an agreement on a napkin and both sign it. As far as I'm aware, that document would be binding. Also, as far as I'm aware- verbal agreements are binding. So, when someone reads a EULA (any EULA) and agrees with it's contents and continues with the installation- doesn't that make that EULA a valid contract?
The only thing I can really think of that isn't valid is any contract entered into with someone under the age of 18. Then again, I'm getting old and my memory isn't what it used to be. And maybe things are different outside of the US.

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« Reply #5516 on: 2009 October 24, 22:24:28 »
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Wow, I don't read the forum for a few days and look at all I miss!

Paden

I can't even begin to imagine the horror of what happened to you and your daughter.  You and yours have my deepest sympathies.  I do hope she is going through life thinking of herself as a survivor, and not a victim, and not ashamed.  I'm sure you have taught her that all the shame belongs to the subhuman vermin who hurt her. 

Glad of your public apology to Moune, and not just for Moune's sake.  I hope those who think PMBD can't be reasoned with took note.  Even the most heated arguments here can end in reason.

tjstreak

I too would have asked you to continue to debate, but that was before you got into discussing Paden's personal life in such a shameful manner.

If the EULA isn't legally binding, I wonder why EA bothers with it at all then?  Costs them money to pay lawyers to write it up, after all.



I've never thought Evi was a pedophile.  Nothing she's made has struck me as quite pedo level sleazy, although some dresses and shirts are definitely too short for kids.  Unless we have proof, or some very compelling evidence, I think it hurts us to accuse people of such things.  I know Evi makes rather mediocre photoshopped paycrap, violates the EULA, etc, so personally, I'll stick to just that.
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« Reply #5517 on: 2009 October 24, 23:00:50 »
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Easter doesn't come to mind  when looking at this Easter tree recolor.  Makes me think of a tree losing its leaves.

Evi had a couple of good picks just waiting to be posted here, but I wanted to steer it away from Evi so we can have fun with Paysite fug.
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« Reply #5518 on: 2009 October 24, 23:07:36 »
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