Would Anyone Care to Chime In?

[Randomness]

Hmmm, does anyone happen to have a link to wherever it's stated that people are allowed to charge users only a minimal amount to cover bandwidth usage only in EA's EULA? I can't seem to locate that proviso anywhere.

[seapup]

"You may include materials created with the Tools & Materials on your personal noncommercial website for the noncommercial benefit of the fan community for EA's products, provided this is beneficial to the product(s) in EA's judgment, and provided that if you do so, you must also post the following notice on your site on the same web page(s) where those materials are located: "This site is not endorsed by or affiliated with Electronic Arts, or its licensors. Trademarks are the property of their respective owners. Game content and materials copyright Electronic Arts Inc. and its licensors. All Rights Reserved." You will not represent that your site is endorsed or approved by or affiliated with EA or our licensors or that any other content on your site is endorsed or approved by or affiliated with EA or our licensors."

Hmmm I think you're right. I don't see where it says you can charge anything at all, let alone turn it into a business.

[jesserocket]

There's another one somewhere, I think it came with Homecrafter, I believe it says something about being allowed to charge for site upkeep....possibly. I may be mistook...

[Kaibon]

Heh...speaking of boolprop.com...

They've recently started turning to their flock of mostly teenaged members for donations to cover their $200 per month hosting fees.  Yes...I said per month.  I'm thinking $200 a month would get me a decent car, not to mention I don't like the thought of exploiting the naivety of teenaged kids.  Do I think they're being ripped off?  Hell yes.  Don't try to tell them that though, they'll defend their ways until they're blue in the face.  Precious group, ain't they?

Well I already mentioned it on Boolprop but since Denimjo thinks its in bad taste I will say it here aswell =]

Boolprop is not exploiting niave teenage members, if you check the trophy list you will see that only one member that has donated was a teen(that person being NovaMiniMan)..of course you would have no way of knowing that without knowing the members of the site though  :wink:

[Randomness]

What I said was in bad taste was your "quoting" someone that made comments on a forum that cannot be linked to, thus things like 'context' and 'exact wording' (and even 'person who actually said it') cannot be verified by anyone else (save for those that find their way here, of course).

[Bitsy]

And it's not the big words really, although they are large and fearful. It's more... I dunno, there seems to be a certain air of... What's the word? It's times like these I wish my mother didn't do drugs when she was pregnant with me. UmmUmmUmm! You know, that thing that you give off. Makes people angry at you. Anyway, I'm not the only one feeling it so it's not just me.

Denim, do you know the word I'm talking about? My point is kind of ruined if I can't remember what I was going to say. Do you think if I squint really hard it'll come to me? :x

Snobbishness? Elitism? Better-than-thouism? I don't agree with the sentiment, but I'm just suggesting words that might mean what you're thinking.

I was thinking "vibe". Which goes along with what I said earlier.

[Marhis]

Just a thought about the use of "big" words; english is not my first language, I'm not able to speak nor write it very well, but I noticed that I tend to use often "big" or "difficult" words because they're more similar to corresponding "normal" terms in my language.
For example, almost all the terms listed by Denimjo in this post as being difficult are understood by me at first sight, being them the exact transposition of the corresponding italian usual terms (i.e. prerogative = prerogativa, negate = negare, incentive = incentivo, phenomenon = fenomeno, and so on).
Maybe, it's all about the latin origin of our language, and it also would explain why for me it's often easier to read something wrotten in english by e.g. a german person rather than an english one.

[BlueSoup]

$200 a month is highway robbery!

I use GoDaddy for my hosting, and it costs $40/year for 250gb of bandwidth per month.

They want a dedicated server?  Go them.  But they should not be asking for donations for something that is entirely optional.  For christsake, aren't they only a forum?

[Randomness]

Just a thought about the use of "big" words; english is not my first language, I'm not able to speak nor write it very well, but I noticed that I tend to use often "big" or "difficult" words because they're more similar to corresponding "normal" terms in my language.
For example, almost all the terms listed by Denimjo in this post as being difficult are understood by me at first sight, being them the exact transposition of the corresponding italian usual terms.

See, now there's the problem with people accusing others of using 'big words.' If you define a word that everyone knew the meaning of, they'll think you're trying to make them look stupid for thinking they didn't know that word.

[Kaibon]

What I said was in bad taste was your "quoting" someone that made comments on a forum that cannot be linked to, thus things like 'context' and 'exact wording' (and even 'person who actually said it') cannot be verified by anyone else (save for those that find their way here, of course).

lol most of the members(or at least the ones in the debate thread) are lurking here/are members =] but yeah I can see what you mean. I'm just a lazy bum and didnt feel like bringing up the browser to do it here too xD

For christsake, aren't they only a forum?

Actually they are a forum, a dowload site, have their own magazine, and also host a member run graphics site.

[Ensign EO]

Maybe, it's all about the latin origin of our language, and it also would explain why for me it's often easier to read something wrotten in english by e.g. a german person rather than an english one.

Latin is awesome.    It's my easiest class, despite the overwhelming number of freshmen that seem to have difficulty grasping some of the content.  Everyone should take Latin for at least a year, some time in their public education.  Easy peasy stuff, and it does help majorly with the vocabulary.

So now they can't really argue that all ESL people are stupid when it comes to English, when lingual roots are taken into consideration.

[FatedCircle]

Heh...speaking of boolprop.com...

They've recently started turning to their flock of mostly teenaged members for donations to cover their $200 per month hosting fees.  Yes...I said per month.  I'm thinking $200 a month would get me a decent car, not to mention I don't like the thought of exploiting the naivety of teenaged kids.  Do I think they're being ripped off?  Hell yes.  Don't try to tell them that though, they'll defend their ways until they're blue in the face.  Precious group, ain't they?

Well I already mentioned it on Boolprop but since Denimjo thinks its in bad taste I will say it here aswell =]

Boolprop is not exploiting niave teenage members, if you check the trophy list you will see that only one member that has donated was a teen(that person being NovaMiniMan)..of course you would have no way of knowing that without knowing the members of the site though  :wink:

I apologize for making it sound as though I thought anyone was taking advantage of anyone else, as I don't think it intentional.  But the fact remains, you guys are being ripped off, whether you want to admit it or not.  I'm sure whatever plan you have works for you, and I don't fault people for wanting to donate to a site they like and appreciate.  But at the same time, I think the site owners could be saving a lot of money, and not have the need to ask for donations, or charge for certain download sets, like they do now.  But whatever, it's their life.  If they want to spend that kind of money to upkeep an internet site, then that's their business, I suppose.

[Pescado]

They've recently started turning to their flock of mostly teenaged members for donations to cover their $200 per month hosting fees.  Yes...I said per month.  I'm thinking $200 a month would get me a decent car, not to mention I don't like the thought of exploiting the naivety of teenaged kids.  Do I think they're being ripped off?  Hell yes.  Don't try to tell them that though, they'll defend their ways until they're blue in the face.  Precious group, ain't they?

WTF? $200 a month? For THAT? What the hell? How the hell does that shitty excuse for a site run $200 a month? You know how much shit I could get for $200 a month? That site's membership and size level looks roughly comparable to MATY, which means the cheapest plan. That's *$5* a month. Where the hell do they get a figure 40x that? Either they're being ripped off outrageously, or that site is a scam and grossly exaggerates its costs to solicit their "donations". Either way, something stinks.

[lemmiwinks]

From what I have gathered, J.M. Pescado's total outlay is $13 a month for 2 popular websites. One just hit 3 TB in transfer overhead. Why does a silly little MS Paint powered recolor site need more money than that?

[Lauren]

I started debating on the 'net at 15 (in Dawsons Creek, heh) and it was the best way for me to learn. If you're surrounded by rainbows and sparkly shit its an even bigger shock when you go to a forum and are ripped apart. The debate that's on Boolprop was simillar to the debate I faced against the other adults and I never had an issue keeping up with them.

I think assuming the younger kids can't debate is quite insulting to them.