Numenor's Opinion of pay vs free

[leilatigress]

I posted my thoughts on the thread Redlove posted but I'll make it short and sweet here.  

Num-love ya hun but the file needs to stay till you make it free.
Council- stick to the zero tolerance, it won't be popular but it'll get the job done faster.
Delphy- get back to your site and make the downloads faster.

[Ry]

Hun, that's the thing.
Emotionally, using hearts not heads, most of probably do agree with you to an extent.
Rationally, removing the item from the booty, IMO would weaken the idea behind this whole site.
It should matter who, what, when, where or why.
A pay file is a pay file and here, we are against them.
If I were to really get into this whole thing with my heart, I would be demanding ATS and Holy Simoly's stuff out of the Booty.
ATS, you donate once and get lifetime access to everything she's ever or will ever mae as a donation gift.
Holy Simoly has the best quaailty stuff out there, IMO, and HUGE donation packs for pretty cheap.
BUT, using my head, this is what I think:
If this were my site, I would not remove ANYTHING until it has gone free or file-share friendly.
Because, if I did remove things for any reason...be it He's done so much or ATS has so much stuff, it would show favoritism and be extremely unfair.
That would give everyone fuel for the fire. Then it would be right when they say shit about greedy.
Because by making a choice to only include certain people, and leave some out for personal reasons, there would be no clear message to send.
Does: Paysites *i don't like* Must be destroyed, make sense?
No, that's silly.
If you want to go after one, you have to go after them all or there's simply no reason to do anything.

[Paleoanth]

I wasn't going to offer rum OR cookies - because you're not reading.  

Pescado *specifically* said that if he stopped offering it as a on the page donation incentive, and just sent it to people it would cease to qualify for the booty - it's one of the options available, and I think everyone here on either side of the argument would certainly hold it against Pescado if he reneged on that deal.

You are right.  I didn't see that as I have not read every post on the other thread.  I was responding to the posts in this thread.  Thanks for letting me know about it.

Just so others will know the reference as well:

Only Numenor has the power to remove the tanning bed from the booty. He can do this one of three ways:

1. He can free the object and make it publicly downloadable.
2. If he wishes to keep it an exclusive item, he can remove it from sight entirely and offer it only as an unadvertised gift.
3. He can take his toys and go home, and it will become Sims Graveyard territory.

The matter of what to do about Numenor was debated amongst the Council for awhile, and after careful deliberation, it was decided to pursue a zero-tolerance policy. Therefore, no quarter will be asked, nor given. As the matter has already been enshrined as policy, it is out of my hands.

Nobody here is interested in hidden payfiles, or hidden files, or hidden anything (barring conspiracies). We're not the sharing police - or the taxation office - we just want glaring "content for payment" stuff not done.

So you wouldn't think someone was a bit mercenary if they showed you a picture of a shiny thank you card with a toy in it and said thank me and you get this?  I would look at them like they were a complete and utter weirdo.

Not mercenary, no.  Weird, of course.  I don't see it as the same thing.  I never said it wasn't a bit odd, I just said that I don't see it necessarily as a payfile.  We are just going to have to agree to disagree.

[Quinctia]

Here's the thing:
I do sincerely doubt anyone donates to Numenor just to get the tanning bed.  (I honestly don't know why the hell anyone would WANT a tanning bed for Sims 2.)

However, all goodwill in regards to donation gifts was ursurped a long, long time ago by the jack-offs running the paysites.  Since there is no good place in the middle to draw a line, the booty's hands are tied here--either put up everything and stand up for principles, or pick and choose, and look like huge ass hypocrites.

So if Numenor's gift is seen as a pay-only item (and it most certainly IS a pay-only item, in reality), it's not OUR fault for putting it up in the booty, it's the jack-off paysites' fault for making any sort of item received after making a donation become a purchase.

Numenor's had my utmost respect, and I never thought any less of him for having one item on his site.  And I think most people probably don't feel badly about him for it, and would probably donate to him if they really wanted that damn bed.  Though I still doubt anyone would donate FOR the item (except maybe whoever put it up here ), all his donations were probably donated just to donate.

His esteem is dropping rapidly in my eyes with that skewed-ass poll.  It's why I posted BETTER questions in the S2C thread about the topic.  There are and should be shades of gray in public opinion, and there are lots of viewpoints I think are valid without having a moral quandry, but I still think putting the item up here was the right thing for HERE to be doing.  It makes the most sense.

[silver]

My esteem for him hasn't dropped a bit. But his putting up that poll, and keeping that poll up has presented a load of complications:

- If you vote against what he obviously wants you to vote, will he be angry and stop creating? Does the ordinary voter want to be known as one of the bad people (pirates) who made him stop creating? Of course not! So the OV votes the way he wants them to.

- That poll can be very easily multi-voted. Can anyone even TRUST the answers? If he presents the answers as "proof" of support, they could very easily be disputed.

- If after posting the poll, Numenor makes the bed free, it may look like he caved in to us. This would make him look bad, and hey, I understand that someone doesn't want to look bad. Who does?

- If WE take the bed off the booty now, it will look like we caved in to him. Not a problem in and of itself, but that can set a really bad precedent, for reasons explained here.

- What was the purpose of this poll exactly? To make us take the bed off the Booty? Seeing how Pescado has acted in the past, did he think that would work? Honestly. Even the most prolific posters and fervent supporters don't have that effect with him.

To verify his reasoning for making the bed a pay item?

And even with the loaded and tense questions, a large number of people (over a third in some cases) might not have answered the way he wanted them to. What to do with THAT result?

One thing I've learned the hard way with emotionally-based polls ... be prepared to deal with the results. They may not turn out the way you hoped.

My husband works with people from many cultures, and in several  cultures, it is very important when trying to get a desired result to allow the other side every opportunity to save face first. To compromise without backing down. He has seen that failure to do so can yield disastrous results. This poll has made this very difficult, if not impossible.

[Amazone]

His poll presents other problems, too, and I'm not even sure if Numenor's aware of it.

There is an extremely easy way to vote multiple times on his poll.

Yes, there is.  I have manipulated polls
in a newspaper many years ago, (i am bad), that was a political fight with some of my countrymen. It was very childish of me, but i thought it was funny to figure out that it was easy to manipulate. But i prefer to stay away from Nums poll.  The questions do not appeal to me, but it's his site, so he's of course free to do whatever he want.

[Pescado]

Emotionally, using hearts not heads, most of probably do agree with you to an extent.
Rationally, removing the item from the booty, IMO would weaken the idea behind this whole site.

And herein you see why attempts to appeal to me on the matter are futile. As the test results on MATY show, I have only a cold, black lump of rocklike substance that oozes toxic black ichor for a heart. When reason has dictated something to be correct, no amount of emotion, not even kittens, will move me. A true INTJ is unswayed by emotional appeal. We likewise are incapable of truly comprehending the foibles in others which even make such an attempt worth considering. Resistance is futile.

[Amazone]

I wonder if Pescado is among one of them?

[Ry]

:shock:
I've been quoted by the great Pescado...

Wow.

Something I said made sense??? :lol:

[Apsalar]

:shock:
I've been quoted by the great Pescado...

Wow.

Something I said made sense??? :lol:

Personally, being quoted by Pescado would creep me out, but that's me...  :roll:

[Ry]

Do you think I should hide for a while, now?
 :lol:
*eyes dart to and fro*
Is he gonna yell at me? No heart, he could make me cwy. :cry:
Jeez, I should avoid forums until I've had coffee...lol

[Apsalar]

Do you think I should hide for a while, now?
 :lol:
*eyes dart to and fro*
Is he gonna yell at me? No heart, he could make me cwy. :cry:
Jeez, I should avoid forums until I've had coffee...lol

You should run, I tell you, RUN!  :lol:

[Ry]

Sh. I'll hide behind Silent Bob. He won't tell until the very end of the thread, and by the time everyone figures out what he's talking about, I'll have had plenty of time to slink away.
Sh. Ry is hiding.

[calalily]

Can anyone even TRUST the answers? If he presents the answers as "proof" of support, they could very easily be disputed.

As NeptuneSuzy saw that poll (she viewed the thread for a very long time on s2c - I was waiting for her to say something about greedy pirates and respect), you just know that they have mobilised the troops to vote in their favour.

And personally, I'm going to reserve judgement on anything Numenor does until he does it.  

[Quinctia]

...I'm just too scientific at heart.  Manipulating data is wrong, even if it's a poll about content for pixel dollies.