Guys I have a suspicion one part of Cardew probably gets a kick out of all the attention.. :lol:

Haven't Maxis stepped in to help in some cases too?

Maybe someone should start randomly mentioning TSR Thomas's name in this thread so she could start blaming him too?  :lol:

Hey Pooki

HP=HystericalParoxysm from Mod the Sims, a wonderful and truly talented creator.. and I'm not entirely sure why Jan has fixated on her now  :?:

Did HP even post in this thread?

I actually think barring a couple of off jokes I saw at one point about bumping her off, you guys were pretty much fine when it came to her.. Noone started making jokes about her or flaming her until she started acting nutty.

To explain the "it's not like we don't do that to other sites" thing.. You guys are still a shock to the system for a lot of people. I've been around the community for 4+ years now and they're used to a Symbella type fake-niceness. It even took me a long time to get my head around it, but in the end I put it down to the cosmic balance. You guys are yin-yang in action, and gradually the community I think is becoming better because you guys are around. It cannot possibly be a decent place if we lie all the time.

She's not being an adult.. I've been following this thread guys. From what I remember someone offered her hosting, someone else offered to pay for her hosting if she'd go free. She chose this path, don't feel sorry for her in any way.

She's the two year old who breaks it's doll rather than sharing it with someone.. Jan, do you hear me hun? I'm not a pirate. I'm just a free site creator who likes these guys. And I am telling you right now they've behaved a whole lot better than you have..

Plum I'm sorry if you felt belittled in any way.. I'm glad you're open to seeing  how everything pans out.

I actually agree with what MTS are doing.. but I relate why both approached are important back to my own history in left wing protest groups in the 80's and 90's.. And I apologise if I bore anyone.

One thing you learn from watching social change in action is that you need two types of radicals.. You need the type that get in people's faces, yell, and confront their assumptions. If you don't get these types of radicals, the change never start to happen because people never see a reason. I relate you guys back to being these types of radicals in the context

Then once these radicals have raised it as an issue, you get the other type moving in. You get people like Delphy and sites like MTS who move in and translate that information in a way that most people can cope with.. it's like a trade unionist putting on a suit.. Once the first type of radical has changed people's minds, usually the second type finds a way to translate that into laws   and change on a more structured level.

For myself, I think it's a question of "you get what you focus on".. It's not like it was six or twelve months ago where about the only people who were doing hair were the pay creators. For about every peice of paid content there's an equally good free item.. and if you can't find it, you make it. It's still important to make that stuff available for free so it undercuts the paysites (and annoys the hell of them  :lol: ).. but in the longterm what you also want is to cut off their avenues to have their stuff seen. You want to make the free stuff the dominant choice.

So I support what Delphy is doing.. But I can understand you not liking change Plum, it's human nature to find change uncomfortable..

And again, I apologise if I bored anyone..

*hysterics* Go Hecubus!  Having watched this woman make everyone miserable out in the Yahoo groups for years, guys I would have to say watching this thread is the most entertained I've been all week. And she deserves every bit of the schellacking you've been giving her.

Whoever started this thread seems to have given birth to a topic of "Carla Niven" proportions..

See, I have no bloody idea who's good and who isn't because on principle I only visit the free sites.. besides who wants to troll through twenty pages of rubbish to get to one good item?