The first one or two or maybe even three times could well be because she apologized and promised to never do it again, but if we’re at number 4 or 5 it does begin to look strange. I don’t know. Numerous women take violent husbands back again and again and that seems equally difficult to understand if you haven’t been in that situation yourself.

And honestly, if I were TSR, I’m not sure I would know what to do to handle Atwa and her craziness. She seems to be in a state where even if – IF – Thomas said clearly to her that he never ever wanted to see her within a 500 meter radius of TSR, she would interpret that as a message of support for herself – only Kath and Tug and the scumbag and the pirates and those outside her home are making him tell her in such a strange way. I mean, judging from the MSN chat she must be completely delusional and has quite lost touch with reality.

PS Missbonbon, that is quite a scary story about that friend/enemy of yours, too.

Inge, I think you’re right that nobody at TSR anticipated how far out Atwa would get. That level of nuttiness is rather hard to fathom – particularly from somebody you know. What’s scary is also that this MSN chat took place 10 months ago. Who know’s were Atwa’s mental state may have taken her in the meantime. *shudders*

Oh, and Snarky: I’m not out to score sympathy points. Don’t need them, and if I did I would simply stick to always backing up the consensus here and never speaking out when I think things are wrong. And of course also promise to always support PMBD no matter what happens. I do none of the above.

No, that would be MTS2. The cult thingie. At least according to LyricLee and her minions.

Hmmm. I must have misunderstood something then. This is Paysites Must Be Destroyed, no? The main reason we don’t like paysites is because … they are paysites – and thus businesses. Or did I miss a change in the overall politics here?


Not really criticizing, no. Just saying that hurling insults is not an intelligent form of communication and doesn’t achieve anything.

I suppose that could be called criticizing. So yeah, alright, criticizing.

What has been intelligent and informative are the discussions between Pescado and Johan here and at MATY. But they would never had taken place if Pescado had adopted the tone missangelica used in the post I quoted above. That's all I'm saying.


Again the subtle manipulation and twisting of facts. For one thing, I’m not raging at ‘people’. I’m raging at you.


You have much to learn about the people who frequents this place and what they care about. By all means ignore my posts. I won’t promise you I’ll extend you the same courtesy, though.

Oh, and I gotta say that what I admire the most about the person who supplied the MSN chat is that she had the stamina to get through that raving conversation with Atwa and still manage to keep her wits about her. I quote: "They have even been outside my home". That's lunacy on a high level, that is.

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Sorry, Paden. No offence meant. I definitely like cat macros too, but you've gotta admit that guy up there is cute.   

Oh man, mustluvcatz, that account has literally terrified me. I suffer from acute new-hairdresser-phobia and next week I have an appointment with a hairdresser that I have never been to before. Please, please, please. I don't want to go through something like that!

Much obliged, kenmlt, Inge and Paden.   


Missangelica, I don’t know if you were being sarcastic or if there is a meaning that I missed, but no I didn’t delete that post. I never delete my posts, and if I edit them I try to be very clear about what I edit in and out.


I don’t think Johan would get upset about what you posted. I think he would rather shake his head, ignore it and simply think you were an idiot. I know I react that way to unreasonable exaggeration. It was one reason (of many) that I left my son’s father. I would ask him to please not bring his dirty boots into the kitchen. He would answer by sneering ‘You just want me to walk barefeet in the mud and catch a cold’. Of course I didn’t want him to do that and of course he knew that.

You’re doing the same thing. So you want to point out to Johan that running a paysite like TSR is greedy and wrong. Excellent, and there are loads of good arguments to do this with. Saying that Johan thinks he’s practically a saint because he’s saving TSR subscribers from spending their money on hookers and booze is NOT one of them.

Without knowing Johan very well I’ll pretty much guarantee you that that is a far cry from what he’s thinking. I’m also pretty sure that you know this. So all you’re doing is hurling an insult, and what purpose does that serve?

Again, I’m using myself as an example, but if somebody threw that in my face, I’d just write them off as an idiot and then ignore them.

Here’s the quote, so we all know what I’m talking about:


(Ooooh, and that was a sea lion up there! Much better than a cat!).

Okay, I do not mean to be condescending, so I will apologize for that. Hostile is possibly another matter. I’ll certainly admit that I have not liked you since you waltzed in here in another thread and in your first post started telling everybody here what to do and what not to do. I care even less for your constant manipulation of facts and situations. In fact, I loathe that kind of manipulation.


TSR is a business. That’s the main reason we don’t like them here.

Apart from that, every larger fansite or community who don’t apply the same principles will soon be dead also. Why do you think LyricLee was fired as a mod at MTS2?


I’ll just repeat myself: TSR is a business. That’s the main reason we don’t like them here.


I base my assumption on the discussions I have seen between Johan and Pescado here and at MATY – plus a few other details like Inge’s comment about why he came here in the first place. But the biggest difference between my assumption and yours is that I don’t try to pass mine off as fact. There is always a ‘I think’ or ‘In my opinion’ before anything I believe to be true. You present your speculations as if they are established facts. That is a no-go, because it does a whole lot of damage to the credibility of this place.


Pescado has certain privileges. You are not Pescado.

And I don’t particularly like the ‘atrocities’ up there either, by the way.
 

Yes, you said something pretty much the same last time we disagreed on something. You know, this is PMBD. The place of no sugar coating. We eat each other alive here. If you are uncomfortable with that, then I suggest somewhere nicer like Sapphire Sims or Black Pearl Sims. And then just be happy that you have not yet had Paden on your tail.

I wanted to answer missangelica too, but I have to go and take care of kiddo who’s sick with a fever.

I’ll also try so send Hec an email, but Paden’s channel is probably faster and more efficient.

Will be back later.
(Somebody please post in the meantime, so I won’t get catted for double posting).

I don't know, but they must have been practising. You don't get that bad just in one go.

No No No, you need to wake up and face the real world.

Every business, cooperation, government agency and organization of a certain size do exactly this. If they didn’t they’d soon be dead. This is the way things work. Deal with it.

Every business, cooperation, government agency and organization with something to hide do exactly this. If they didn’t they’d soon be dead. This is the way things work. Deal with it.

You have no idea whatsoever if this is the case or not. Stick to facts when you want to accuse people of devious dealings. You own personal speculation is not enough – not to mention that – at least to me – your speculation seem rather farfetched considering what we know of Johan so far.


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Oh, come off it. Atrocities are massacres, genocide, mass rape, concentration camps and the like. NOT the sharing of private information or hacking a few websites. Man, you’re being twice as manipulative as I’ve ever seen Inge Jones be.



Snarky, please read what I actually write – especially since you’re even quoting me. I said ‘What No No No is describing’ is normal and responsible behaviour. I never said TSR is responsible. Nor the sharing of personal details.


Of course not, if what Coconut is talking about is what No No No is describing in the post I referred to above. Which – I repeat – is completely normal and responsible behaviour. So what’s the problem here?


No doubt it happens that people work late and until after midnight. But Johan only posts here or on MATY when there’s an issue, and you’re not going to tell me that the whole TSR management + whatever FA’s are supposed to be in Team Johan decides to all work until after midnight because a bunch of pirates are in a TSR uproar – for the umpteenth time in a year.


You know very well what my meaning was with that. But if anybody is at the risk of misunderstanding let me clarify by changing it to “because anybody who were at the receiving end of the accusations levelled against TSR would eventually get fed up with them”.


I suppose I should have made it more clear that I wasn’t talking to you, but to No No No – and everyone else who still thinks that Johan is a sockpuppet sent here by Thomas & Co. You might also notice that that was a very ‘un-Inge’ remark,  since it actually put a damper on the drama and that is not what Inge usually does. Therefore I’m inclined to believe that what she said happend.


And none of those reasons are any good. Whatever else you can say about Thomas he’s not all that dumb. He knows that 1) Coconut is too smart to do anything to reveal herself here, no matter how much he tries to provoke her. 2) Nobody here is going to believe anything he says to discredit Coconut no matter how convincing he tries to be. 3) There is NO WAY he can cause trouble at PMBD. It is known to the whole community that we do that all by ourselves.


Well, at least we agree on that very last sentence. But we’re never going to stop nefarious paysite activities unless we tackle that battle in a reasonably sensible and fact-based fashion. Exaggerations do not help the cause. Nor does unfounded speculation. I imagine that’s also why Pescado has forbidden any kind of false flag operations from this side of the fence. We need to keep the credibility. Simple as that.

Can we just take the tinfoil hats off.

What No No No is describing is completely normal, rational and responsible behaviour by any adult who is part of a group – be it a business, an organization or a family. A problem comes up. You discuss it. You decide how to handle it. If anybody here thinks that’s a devious, suspicious or just bad way of handling things then I’m glad I don’t have to interact with you in real life.

It doesn’t matter how big the TSR office physically is. I’m talking about time here, not space. And constantly discussing what Johan should post or not post would take time – too much time when you’re running a serious business.

Besides if you look at the time of a lot of Johan’s post here or at MATY they’re made very late at night – often past midnight. You’re not going to tell me that the whole TSR management sits around in their office at that hour?

I think the coder gives a damn, because anybody would eventually get fed up with the accusations levelled against TSR. Particularly if you actually thought they were wrong. I suggest going back to read the ‘TSR: In your accounts’ thread where Inge points out that it was originally her who advised Johan to come here and speak out, because he was ticked off about what he thought was lies.

Can anybody come up with just one good reason for Thomas to come here? No? I thought as much.

Can anybody imagine what would happen if Thomas did show up here and tried to talk about this? I can. It would be total mayhem with nothing but accusations and nastiness – like what missangelica presented in her latest post in this thread. It would serve no purpose whatsoever – neither piratey nor TSR-ish. Except for those who are just waiting for somebody to vent their frustrations on, of course.

Finally, just for the record: I don’t wear any woollen blinkers. But you’re not going to make me wear a tinfoil hat, either. I think they look quite ridiculous.

PS Inge, yes we do cats here. There’s a whole thread about them over in Sharkbait.

I don't believe the 'Team Johan' think either. For two reasons.

Firstly, I think Johan is a grown up man and entirely capable of speaking up on his own.

Secondly, because if the whole TSR management has to consult and agree on a strategy every time Johan makes a post here or at MATY, it would take up an enormous amount of their time. Time that would then not be spent running TSR and making money off Sims stuff. I don't think that's realistic.

Of course they talk about these things. They have to. But I find the suggestion that Johan is just a sock puppet for a panel of TSR management and certain FA's rather farfetched.

And of course he only comes here when there is trouble for TSR. At all other times there really isn't any reason for him to snuggle up with pirates, is there?

All chaps are assless. Even a fair few of the British ones. 

I still think Pescado has the most probable and credible theory - that the list with unencrypted TSR passwords was leaked or given to script kiddies who are now enjoying themselves with hacking into random people's accounts.

And you know what? That pisses me off NO END!    Because of TSR stupidity and/or arrogance my password and that of a whole lot others are now in the hands of people who are only out there to wreck havoc. Thank you very much, TSR, for not having the sense to encrypt a database with such a load of information. Morons!

And them I'm not even addressing the issue of how that list came out of the database in the first place, and who might have passed it on to the script kiddies. Double morons!

I'm with Kenmtl. Can't really blame somebody for using an email that the owner has published themselves on their own site.

What I don't see, though, is why it should be necessary with credit and link to TSR just because you used their tool to make CC. Both Murano, CycloneSue and Anoeska have used SimPE for their Sims 2 creations for years, but I've sure never seen any of them linking back to Quaxis site.

Obviously it's about luring more people to subscribe to TSR. Greed in other words. I find that disgusting.

ETA:
Honestly Inge, if this is another example of TSR screwing up and creating bad publicity for themselves, then I say 'Cheer it on'. The more bad publicity they get, the better for the cause we're advocating here. Paysites must be destroyed, you know.