Exactly. Now you understand. [Question mark edited by me].[/qoute]
Besides the list wasn’t actually spread on the web. It was distributed privately and sought passed on. That’s bad enough, for sure, but not exactly the same as being published on the internet where millions of people would have had access to it.
I disagree. Having your information handed to total strangers, having no idea what they will do with, how it will be used, or if it will be sold, or if someone crazy enough will use it to actually find someone, is a serious enough problem to be prompted to deal with without anyone else telling you to.
Well, if Coconut (& co) were looking to get the community involved she/they just have to be ready to answer any questions that may arise in the community. Some of us aren’t sheeple, won’t be used like sheeple and won’t be manipulated like sheeple.
Your opinion.
And give us all a break, will you. If you look at some of the remarks made here, at GOS and at MATY by those who were on the list you’ll see that a fair number are not concerned about it and don’t give a rat’s ass about it. Others are understandably concerned and angry, but talking about “messing with people’s lives” is stretching it.
Again, your opinion. Sharing these kinds of things can lead to identity theft, credit scores being affected, drugs and other crap being sent overseas in your name, crap being sent to your home, people getting your credit card info and buying things in your name, people harrassing you on the phone or at your home adress. These people are at risk of that.
Also, most of the people who said 'meh' did not have their full name shared.
Be realistic, will you. Even if complaints and proof were sent this very minute investigators aren’t likely to take more than a cursory look at it within a few days – let alone contact TSR and confront them with it. In the meantime you have half a community that has just been used as sheeple. Riled up to take action that most would otherwise not have taken and then told to shut up and just wait for further notice from those few who are in the know. I find that rather disgusting.
No-one is being used as anything. The ones that are asked to take action on this are the 600+ affected. And I wonder what you think half the community must say to the authorities? "So and so have been hacked, this and this has been shared, please look into it." If they have not been personally affected, and the ones who actually are, are available, then telling the entire community to act on this is counterproductive. Can you provide a link to where Coconut tells anyone outside the 600+ people to contact the authorities?
And what is this information I should spread? I don’t have any information. On the contrary I keep asking for even just resumes of information that could cast light on what is actually going on here. Read my posts, will you.
Maybe you should read
my posts, so I don't have to repeat the same thing over and over again. By asking for info to be posted in public, you'll also be handing it over to TSR.
That’s plain stupid. Doesn’t matter one bit who goes first.
It does if you want to authorities to actually look at the ones that were affected, without it being flooded with hundreds of other "this list was spread by so and so, please do something about it!" But I doubt you understand this if I've had to repeat other things 2 times already.
5) The relevant authorities, of course, not being the FBI. FBI has no jurisdiction in Sweden and no authority to conduct any investigations whatsoever in Sweden – let alone begin legal proceedings. Only the Swedish police can do that. I posted the addresses and email for them above.
It's good that you did that. Tell me though, what will the Swedish police listen to first? Emails from foreighners, or an email from an offical organization like the FBI?
Are you American? Americans sometimes think their authorities really are the policemen of the world and can do anything they wish.
What you think about 'some Americans' is none of my business.
It is entirely possible that the FBI works transnational on internet crime. But they can NOT contact Swedish internet service providers and ask them for information. They can NOT interrogate TSR and confront them with evidence. And they can NOT begin legal proceedings against TSR.
FBI can not begin legal proceedings against anything or anyone. They inform higher authorities in the US who may or may not decide to do begin legal procedures.
They are however a good steppingstone to be heard by Swedish authorities as I said earlier.
Fine to complain to the FBI, but if the Swedish police don’t get involved too, it won’t go anywhere. Therefore complaints should also go to them.
That I can agree with.
Because it won’t matter one bit. Think! They cannot do anything to change evidence that is in Coconut’s or Pescado’s hands. They can change things on their own end, yes, but then think about this: TSR already knows what evidence could be available. Whatever could be done to erase or manipulate that evidence on their behalf has definitely already been done.
Doesn't matter. It will still change into a 'he said, she said' if they get the right pointers and change what's needed. As the burden of evidence lies with the ones making complaints, then they're basically screwed. This is probably already the case, but why make it worse?
Is it because you really don’t understand or is it because you don’t want to understand? The Bush/Rumsfeld strategy of ‘we’re not telling’ is a dumb one. It only partially worked then – at least here in Europe a great many people didn’t believe they had any proof – and it won’t work at all next time. Not even for a small case of petition hacking in the Sims community. The more you or anyone else refuse to put forward evidence – or actually just confirm that there is evidence like Cala did a couple of pages back – the more people will begin thinking that this is nothing more than a hoax.
In my opinion, evidence should go to the proper authorities first. Those who are on the list will be complaining that someone,
possibly TSR has shared their personal information, and will refer back to Coconut or who-ever else has the evidence. Coconut and who-ever has it, share with the same authorities whatever they have.
Handing over evidence to everyone now, is in my opinion, more damaging than not doing it.
I'm not sure why you connect me to coconut simply because I have a differeny opinion about this. I don't know Coconut.
Would you just elaborate on that last sentence?
You don't know the saying? 'Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one'?
I was not calling you an asshole if that's what you're worried about.
From how you answer me it seems you're getting frustrated with me. Me having this opinion does not mean that anyone will listen to it. Only one person here has agreed with one thing I said. So don't treat it as something to get frustrated over. Everyone will simply do what they wish as usual.
This is the last thing I'll say on this matter, as my opinion will not change, so nothing I write after this will be any different.
I wish you guys good luck on this.
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