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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / I smell bullshit
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on: 2006 December 29, 01:59:45
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As if you had an open mind to begin with coming here with the sole purpose of starting up drama for the sake of becoming noticed for the first time. Oh you know me so well. :roll: If you know so much about the in's and out's of TSR... Do you read disclaimers? ...then do take the time to explain the sudden drop in the FA's download counts and the amount of subscription losses if more people are going to TSR? Hmm? Come out with it I am willing to hear it with an open mind. It's probably because this site is here, offering it for free. Or maybe it's a fluctuation in the economy. I really don't care. Pity, you mention that the people higher up than you are laughing at me? First off this only shows me that you at least know your role as a lapdog at Tom's throne. Good for you! Second, the laughter is on them for taking a site that actually worked as free site and later on creating a monstrous absurdity out of it. And third, I must be really good at intimidation. I didn't even have to threaten you to make you feel that you had to type the line of 'I don't feel threatened by you'.
Insert my laughter here. :wink: Mock me all you like. I expected as much from you. And you asked me if TSR was threatened by The Site That Must Not Be Named. I was assuming that question was directed at me, even though I already said I don't speak for TSR... since you seem to have missed the disclaimer in the first place. |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / I smell bullshit
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on: 2006 December 29, 01:17:01
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I smell bullshit. :roll: Do tell. It's spewing forth from your mouth a mile a minute. Is TSR being threatened by The Site That Must Not Be Named? Will your 'job' be taken away if TSR ceases to bring in more customers? Is that why you are here "Miss Invisible" of TSR fuming and foaming to get into Tom's good graces to finally become noticed? How charming.  As if that had anything to do with it. I've never created a damn thing, you're free to check. It doesn't matter anyway. The average person is going to use TSR, not come here. I don't feel threatened by you. In fact, the people higher than me are laughing at you. Me, I'm just trying to relate. I do like to keep an open mind. But these are some things I thought I'd mention, do you have an open mind? |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / I smell bullshit
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on: 2006 December 29, 00:57:04
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According to this interview. Steve Bonham set up TSR to share with the community. Well, he went back on his word, he aint sharin' no more. He chose to make TSR for the community, for the community spirit, (if I read the interview correctly). TSR used to have free rotation of all content, people paid subs to gain better site access, no ads, the download wizard/basket, etc. Now FA content is held to ransom. In other words, it started as a very small site. Then it grew a lot bigger and more complicated. How dare they?!
I don't see how it's vastly superior, but that's open to opinion. They've perhaps found a more thrifty way of running a website. They don't steal TSR content, however. This website does, and does not even bother posting a picture of it. That's abusing TSR.
Oh for jeez sake. Do you really think TSR isn't making any money and is getting what they spend on the site? Get freakin' real. I never said that. Why do you care if they make money? Even if their content "should be free", should their labor be free, too? Why do you care if they don't make money? Their labor is voluntary since it is based on the implied agreement that they can only accpet donations (re: not charge for them) to cover bandwidth. Nobody is making them take something that is not really all theirs to begin with and change it a little bit so they can claim exclusive rights. "implied agreement"? I smell bullshit. :roll: |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / I smell bullshit
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on: 2006 December 29, 00:34:09
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I don't see how it's vastly superior, but that's open to opinion. They've perhaps found a more thrifty way of running a website. They don't steal TSR content, however. This website does, and does not even bother posting a picture of it. That's abusing TSR.
Oh for jeez sake. Do you really think TSR isn't making any money and is getting what they spend on the site? Get freakin' real. I never said that. Why do you care if they make money? Even if their content "should be free", should their labor be free, too? |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / I smell bullshit
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on: 2006 December 29, 00:05:46
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So I was wondering... could you design, build, maintain, staff, and run a site like TSR for free? Because that would be amazing. I'd love to see you do it, Pescado. Your generosity has always been something to admire. (I'm not being sarcastic... I love your work)
You think making a site like that is easy? PROVE IT. If you turned this site into something people could actually USE with the features TSR has, then you'd really have something over it.
Erm, MTS 2 already does all that with a vastly superior search function and no half-naked sleazy date service ads. I don't see how it's vastly superior, but that's open to opinion. They've perhaps found a more thrifty way of running a website. They don't steal TSR content, however. This website does, and does not even bother posting a picture of it. That's abusing TSR. So sure, charge for all the extras if you want and if people want those extras, I'm sure they'll pay for them. But how can you say they have the right to charge for actual custom content? The download wizard is bs anyway, MTS provides much the same features and convenience as TSR and is completely free. TSR is just marketing their best stuff to make people want to subscribe. That is commerce. They are still providing a service other than the content itself. |
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on: 2006 December 28, 23:56:42
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I've been reading for a good week now, and I have to say I went through many different emotions but have chilled out considerably and won't vent them. (And I gotta tell you, I laughed my ass of over the Carla Niven thread. Yeah, I read the whole thing.) But I have a few things to say and here they are.
Sure, you have the booty! but PMBD does not even come close to offering what TSR does. TSR provides a comprehensive database through which anyone can conveniently search for specific downloads.
It's all about convenience. No one would download any TSR downloads off your booty without viewing them on TSR first. Therefore, your site leeches off TSR and your beef is really with them, not EA. Except EA likes TSR (obviously, since they invite Steve to EP previews).
TSR provides a service; they give subscribers the downloading wizard, they update the site frequently, they offer such variety, the fun challenge wizard, the community, etc. You don't appreciate the censorship, but many parents do (It's called marketing :wink: ). And sure, I don't know why they don't like for people to try to discuss "business" on their forums. It's none of our business how they run their company. Maybe they like to keep that kind of thing private. Lots of companies do.
So I was wondering... could you design, build, maintain, staff, and run a site like TSR for free? Because that would be amazing. I'd love to see you do it, Pescado. Your generosity has always been something to admire. (I'm not being sarcastic... I love your work)
You think making a site like that is easy? PROVE IT. If you turned this site into something people could actually USE with the features TSR has, then you'd really have something over it.
To me, this isn't an issue of selling custom content at all. This is selling a database. And paysites have every right to charge for it if they put up a good website.
disclaimer: Although I am a TSR Forum Moderator, my affiliation is completely voluntary and I get site priveleges only. I am not privy to the interworkings of TSR nor do I represent TSR officially. I speak only my opinion.
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PMBD
