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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 17, 20:48:42
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And BTW, I'm under no obligation to answer questions that you decide to toss at me. I'm just being a good sport, you could do that too!  |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 17, 20:47:20
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How much do YOU personally get paid? You can do an average per month if that makes it easier on you to figure it out and tell us. It was already answered ... reread using some imagination and maybe you'll get the answer, if not then I'm sure someone else here got it and maybe they'll help you out. |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 17, 17:18:16
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NeptuneSuzy, thank you for speaking out here. I agree with practically everything you’ve said since page 3. And it has given me the courage to come out of lurkdom. Thanks, I just don't know how to keep my mouth shut! LOL!
As an FA at TSR, how much do you get paid?
That is a question that I would also love to hear the answer to. If we get a completely honest answer, I will give Suzy my first born son. (He's 22, so I doubt she will take him. :lol: ) CaptainJojoba and keirra... I actually answered that a couple of times on various boards, but people seemed to have missed it... I pointed out that I'm not TSR's spokesperson, so I'm not going to get involved with discussions about their FA's. However, seeing as this has been posted all over PMBD for a long time now, I've been comfortable enough to say not all FA's get paid....  And Kierra, Yikes! No please don't send me your first born! *shivers :lol: The next thing that NeptuneSuzy posts to TSR - she can hardly say that she didn't know it would be posted somewhere else, can she - and depending on how long she's been a member, she's been giving tacit consent to this for ages. Hey, I know they're going to be uploaded here.... Didn I ever say that I didn't. No. I have said many times that I don't care where my files go .... my site... mts2.... tsr.... the exchange....PMBD.... or the moon! You may be emotionally attached to your creations, but I'm not. However, I'm trying to point out that alot of creator's do care and these creator's are your peers, as peachfish said.... "hosting a creator’s work somewhere where they don’t want it to be hosted. To me that is wrong. Just as wrong as TSR refusing to take down a creator’s work if they ask for it. I guess it’s a question of respect. At least let us keep a minimum measure of control over what happens to our creations." Yeah, but I don't believe that - otherwise they'd call them referrals - ambassadors go out from the site on behalf of the site.
Just a clarification for you. The ambassador thing really is just referrals. You can add a link to your minisite on TSR in your signature or if you have a separate website and TSR can count the number of hits from that link. That is all it is. Thank you! Although the idea of being a subversive entering the enemy camp was starting to sound like fun! heeeheee! :lol: |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 17, 08:45:57
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Yeah, but I don't believe that - otherwise they'd call them referrals - ambassadors go out from the site on behalf of the site.
And TSR do pay you - you admitted such on s2c. They don't call them referrals because not everyone gets their little gold boxes from 'referrals', because not everyone has there own website to send the referals from...... I'm being a good sport here but you're getting a little too involved in these little gold boxes..... Just curious, do you count everyone's little gold boxes?  ? :| |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 17, 08:10:01
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Not an ambassador - to make hollow laughing - you've even advanced points for ambassador work. Far more than Atwa.
It doesn't matter if you don't disappear - your opinion means nothing - you have an agenda - possibly one you've been paid for. That! Sorry, never made the connection, LOL! Those little gold boxes appear according to referrals from a rather ugly link on my own site's index page. And I'm with Pescado.... if TSR would like to pay me for the link I'd be glad to take their money, better in my pocket, but darn, they haven't offered.  |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 17, 07:42:28
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Users are required to convincingly pretend to be older than 12. It sez so in the registration agreement. Furthermore, harassment is not an activity supported by us, as this isn't really very funny.
Well, that's my only real beef with it all. I wouldn't have been bothered at this point if it wasn't for the harassment issue, that's what brought me back into it. Good to know you don't support such things, I didn't really think you did.
Oh, my. REAL feelings. I do get such a warm, fuzzy sense of satisfaction when I stomp on people's pwecious feewings. Yes, I know, I'm an asshole. Pleading with me cuz I'm hurting someone's pwecious feewings is totally the wrong way to convince me of anything. If anything, that just makes me more determined to do it. Honestly, this entire thing would not have been much fun if it didn't cause butthurt.
Watch out, I may stay here spreading the warm and fuzzies all over your forum! LOL! Some pretty pink curtains.... maybe fresh flowers... a frilly fringe laden Free Willy wall lamp, in a lovely shade of violet of course........
Ultimately, I don't really have any beef with TSR creators specifically. After all, they don't run the site, and if they're getting paid money for that? Meh, so what? It's a properly pragmatic and mercenary attitude which I can respect. It's only when they get butthurt and whine about us that I sneer at them.
Luckily my skin's pretty thick at this point, don't have anything to whine about, and my butt's still in tact. -----------------------
The second point I would like to make is that though I disagree with Neptune Suzy, I do appreciate her sense of humor and her willingness to post here on the board. Most creators wouldn't. However, I do disagree with some of what she said, but I think it is ok to disagree and be civil and not insulting.
Thank you for that! And civil disagreement is always welcomed, how boring the world would be if we all had the same opinions. ------------------------- I wouldn't praise NeptuneSuzy too much for coming here - she's a TSR ambassador and I believe they have the job of spreading the good word about TSR. She's company relations guys - she's not being nice.
She doesn't really care about how this debate goes, or whether people have more free stuff - she just wants you to think well of her so by extension TSR's reputation will be better. I wouldn't be surprised if she's being paid to do it. A TSR ambassador, LOL! I have my own site to care for, thanks. And besides I don't think I would be TSR's first pick as an ambassador. She hasn't had the guts to really respond to the debate, or to legitimate questions, and seems to have bowed out of the s2c debate since Nouk got an answer to a question about custom meshes and the ability to sell them. Well, actually three questions were put forth clearly and I answered clearly and was thanked… ...... good enough for me. Besides, I showed up which is way more than most would. BTW, don't worry I didn't disappear, |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 16, 23:12:24
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Wow Suzy, I have new found respect for you for sticking it out and not going all psycho on us and threatening to hack us. *does a little salute thingy my dad taught me* Angelica she did a lot more than other people did so I respect her for that. Maybe you're too jaded to appreciate her even coming here but I can. For as long as I've been here the creators haven't responded or responded and then went psycho and threatened with lawyers and other crap. She may not have answered all the questions but she did some. So to me she did stick it out. Thanks! and Thanks! 
I've seen her free site. It's kind of lacking. I have a question about that. Does Windkeeper mind you editing her windows and offering them for free?
:shock: Isn't that against TSR rules?
They aren't Windkeeper's windows, they're Chrissy6930's windows. Maxis could be blamed for originally allowing paysites to gain a foothold in the community. Then TSR, though not the first paysite, set an example for many of those that followed. And TSR, as we all know, is owned by a man (unless you've got some REALLY good dirt on Thomas). No, no really good dirt! LOL! You're so right though about EA/Maxis. Suzy, if it was proven by EA that what PMBD was doing was declared illegal, I know that some people have stated that they would abandon the cause and move on. You may think it's wrong, but most of the people who do partake in it don't think so. It's not so much about whether I personally think it's wrong, but it's causing alot of friction, and I think alot of folks get caught in the crossfire. War is serious bizniz. Eh, I hug more trees than anyone. I send emails to creators on TSR, but I'm nice about it, thank you (ask DOT, I'm still waiting for my cookies and cheerios). As for creating friction with the whole debate and the existence of PMBD, change is needed. Change creates friction. The people who are really getting caught in the crossfire are the KIDS who TSR and other major subscription/pay sites are ripping off because they are too young and too uninformed to know of the alternatives. Honestly, I don't give a crap about EAxis's right to all the profit of the game (though I think they should). I care about the kiddies, and by extention, the kiddies' parents. They are getting ripped in a bad way...through the pocket. Emails that are clever and friendly actually may win people over in my opinion. I guess that's what I meant when I said friction, that emails etc that are flaming just get people angry and the person that's being flamed is just going to get angry and all there is a bunch of friction. But you're right, change often creates friction. Now go hug a tree for Willy! LOL! "creates fiction" I admit I'm not that active on fora, but I know that prior to this paysite issue, there was plenty of drama and hate in the Sims 2 community. People, creator or not, left the community prior to PMBD. People left hateful messages on guestbooks and in people's inboxes prior to PMBD. But I guess evil and bad things didn't exist until the paysite issue arose. You're right, there were always dramatic fights etc., right from the beginning. I guess the difference was that they seemed to come and go, or maybe it was that the subject of the fight was always changing. Now it's the same battle going on and on so it feels different. But yes.... evil existed before the paysite issue! |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 16, 12:45:43
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It's tewtally the chix fault. Hells yes.
Further proof that vaginae are made of hate and greed. You kill me Plum! :lol: And Suzy...I love your work. You create some amazing stuff. I have a bunch of it in my game. Thank you for sharing it. Thanks, You're quite welcome. And I should say credit goes to Grizzelda and Chrissy6930 over at my site, they make great stuff! And BTW... this board is nothing if not entertaining! LOL! :lol: |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 16, 06:10:00
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I was an observer back at MTS2 when the community was coming together in order to advance the cause of custom game content. And yes, it was a good feeling watching as all you creative folks worked together. However, as I assume your aware, there where more than a few instances of paysite people who, having received the information and tools they needed, pulled their files and headed back home to cash in (thanks, BYEEE). I sure do, I remeber this one gal (can't remember who) that used to show up when she needed something and then she'd just split without even a thank-you. She kept coming back and always got the help she needed, :roll: Oh and there was a fair share of in-fighting then too! But it was damned exciting! Also, it was TSR, the site which benefited the most (financially) from all the FREE tools and information provided by the community, which then turned around and refused links to the very site they were learning almost everything from. That was just inexcusable behavior, plain and simple. No Comment...... :roll: Aside from all that, one of the main reasons I personally support file sharing (as does EA the games creators), is that I‘m very disturbed that a game which has such a huge female following is also one of the few where the games community allows paysites to even exist. That's just unbalanced, unfair and wrong. FEMALES! Are you blaming the females!? LOL! Or protecting them!? :lol: And thank you for having a 100% free site. *Does the happy dance! You're quite welcome! ETA: I don't send nasty emails, though. That's great, all I'd like to see is a friendly community. :wink: Oh and thanks for the compliment on the hair! |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 16, 05:35:49
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If that happens, I will never, ever play it! I will stick to all of my Sims 2 stuff, thank you very much. And it's nice to see that someone has the courage to stick their heads into the lion's den, as I believe you called it. Thank You! And I still have all my limbs... so far.. :lol: Oh and I won't be buying Sims3 in that case either! |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 16, 05:33:23
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Suzy, if it was proven by EA that what PMBD was doing was declared illegal, I know that some people have stated that they would abandon the cause and move on. You may think it's wrong, but most of the people who do partake in it don't think so. It's not so much about whether I personally think it's wrong, but it's causing alot of friction, and I think alot of folks get caught in the crossfire. I'm still not sure what you mean by copying. I don't think copying is a synonym for redistribution. I guess, think of an ebook, I could buy a Steven King e-novel, I own the novel but King still owns the copyright. I can't make 100,000 copies and give them away to my neighbors.... if I had 100,000 neighbors! LOL! It also is not the "meanest" thing that could be done. There are many "meaner" things that PMBD could be doing instead. Well, that's certainly true! And many people agree that not all paysite owners are greedy and/or evil. I'm sure that's true, but from the outside looking in so-to-speak, which is where I am, it looks very different. And I have a tough skin! LOL! I can't even imagine what it looks like to some meek individuals, :lol: |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 16, 05:15:11
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Suzy, I'll leave the rest of the discussion to the others, but I want to address the Numenor piece:
Our policy is that ALL Sims content should be freely shared, as explicitly stated in the EULA. Therefore, if any money is required in exchange for any sims content, it's considered 'pay'. About a month ago, I was made aware of that file on Numenor's site; while I agree 100% that he has done an incredible amount for the community (not the least of which is the CEP), if the line is 'money for package file', then his file must stay in the booty.
It is unfortunate - so many good designers who have one or two pay sets must be represented in the booty. I'd be much happier to see Holy Simoly, for example, release their three sets and ask for free-will donations. And i[m certain that the income from those sets support their site and not pay creators. But if we let sites like that 'get by', where do we draw the line? Therefore, we have made the policy simple.
Hope this explains it for you. I understand the mission and all. But maybe more people would be on board again if it all wasn't so strict, so black or white sort of. I think the harshness turns people off. ETA: Okay, I have to comment on one other thing. You stated above that we should "stop hiding behind the EULA and admit what we're doing is wrong". The thing is, we do not believe what we are doing IS wrong. We firmly believe that user created game content should NOT cost any money. The only game I know of that allows for pay content is Second Life, and I find that disturbing. The fact that the EULA and recent statements from EA indicate taht user created game content should be freely available for all is simply that 'documentation' that supports our belief that what we do is Right. I actually agree with you (bold), but not because of EA's license. I would feel the same way if EA has a different license blessing paysites. I agree because I think a community based on sharing is what the game should be about. And, let's hope Sims3 doesn't go down the same road as second life.... |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 16, 04:12:34
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Just for the record, let me say a few things.... I'm not on any side in this anti-pay issue. I have a 100% Free Site, I have free items at 4 other sites and I have items at TSR. I feel that some paysites are very greedy and not community-spirited. But I feel that harassing emails etc and hosting files that creator's don't want hosted here is even less community spirited. I've been in this community since the beginning and I hate to see it fractured. Maybe I'm idealistic, but I would hope that we could capture the community spirit that we had a couple of years ago when we were all trying to figure out the files and learning to mesh etc. Or at least maybe we can all be a little more tolerant of each other. Personally, I don't care where my files go .... my site... mts2.... tsr.... the exchange....PMBD.... or the moon! However some people do. Actually many of you have TOU's way more extensive than I do. I would abide by your TOU, and I just think we'd have a better community if we respected each others wishes when it concerns our creations. I know that everyone here hates paysites for various reasons, and I agree to a certain point. I don't agree that taking someone's files is the way to deal with it. That's just seems mean-spirited to me. One of the issues I have with PMBD is that I think you should be more upfront. Rather than hide behind the EULA, just admit that what you're doing is wrong but that you're doing it regardless. You want disclosure from paysites, so why not give a little disclosure here. ie: We're taking paysite files and freeing them until the paysite goes free, we know it's wrong but we're doing it anyway because we want the community to be an all free community, or because we believe paysites hinder sharing etc. In some cases the copying of files can be theft of intellectual property, just admit that you're willing to do it anyway, just be up front. This forum in some ways is a breath of fresh air due to it's openess, so why not be even more open and direct. My other issue with PMBD is that some young and/or immature people get a sense of unrealistic confidence (they get riled up) and move to the direction of harassment. Not everyone, and probably not any regaular posters here. And I know that many of you here denounce what they do.... ie: that 12 yr old who posted something stupid about a month ago, some of you felt he was giving the movement a bad name, so you know what I'm talking about. I know quite a few very nice people who are generous and do wonderful things with their lives yet they have pay creations somewhere. These people are harassed as if they were evil, yet they may be far more generous in reality than the rest of us. There are real individuals on the other side of the screen with real feelings just like yours. About TSR, I know you all have questions etc. but I don't own TSR. I don't make their policies. I have no influence in TSR's policies, sorry. And since it's not my site I'm not defending their policies either. On my own site if someone wanted to take down creations, I would of course take them down. Some of you mentioned FA's and payment. I can't speak for others, but I don't mind saying that not all FA's get paid and that TSR is not paying me any big bucks, LOL! I'm there for personal reasons, and it has nothing to do with money. I'm not held hostage at TSR, LOL! And god knows I have my issues with them.... you have no idea! Here's an example of something that really bothers me. Numenor. He has given so much to the community, yet because he has 1 pay item he's branded an evil pay creator and his item is in the booty. That just doesn't seem right. I would think that he should be an exception to the rule given all he's done (we'd have no color on objects without CEP) for us, so that you would not include him in the booty/evil paysite category. These are just my thoughts. Hopefully, before you arm yourselves with boulders you'll keep in mind that I'm willing to enter the lion's dead, unlike most are! LOL! |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 15, 07:03:54
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But she said she likes a good debate. I guess she lied. :lol: See your questions answered above... I guess she didn't lie... |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / For NeptuneSuzy
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on: 2007 July 15, 07:02:54
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1. When icedMango gave up her FA status Thomas still held her items for pay. It wasn't until people starting having a fit that he finally gave them up for free. Do you think TSR is worse than PMBD? Why or why not? No, I do not think TSR is worse than PMBD because TSR tells you in advance that they want to host your items forever when you upload them, so you have a choice, you can decide not to upload. PMBD uploads without asking the creator so the craetor has no option to not upload. 2. I just can't see you supporting a site that does the exact same thing that PMBD does but on a worse scale. Do you disagree with that? They don't do the same thing because the creator has a choice to not upload at TSR. The creator has no choice at PMBD. So I'm not supporting a site that does the same thing as PMBD, they do not do the same thing. 3. Also people who've been banned or left TSR still had their downloads up on the site. Let's say you decided to leave TSR for whatever reason. Do you not realize that TSR would still be making money from your creations? Are you fine with them doing that? I realize they could still be making money on my uploads and I'm OK with that. If I wasn't OK with it for some reason then I'd have no one to blame but myself because I made the choice to upload there. Questions answers. |
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