Lol! How ironic!

WOOT! Hey! I got something right at last! Although... I'm having trouble remembering exactly what I put :lol: and now Elau has gone and closed everything down so I can't remember! but THANKS!

I know this topic is pretty much done with now, but I have to admit, I can't quite believe how much Elau overreacted to the news of this site... and I really can't believe she hadn't heard of you all before now! But she turned on her friends very quickly, so in my opinion, better off without.

Well you've already been accused of being stupid on here so that makes sense to me...

And you are NOT allowed to bring my pregnancy into this. That's three times you've done it since I mentioned it on here.  Talk about prejudice. That is sinking to a NEW LOW.

And why should I apologise to you after what you've said about me? No chance. You said I accused this site of hacking & stealing and that I made personal insults to you, all of which is A LIE. That makes you a LIAR.

Okay NOW I'm done.

FINE! I'll accept that.

If you can just say to yourself, "Huh! She already said SEVERAL times that she didn't think PMBD are stealing... she mustn't have meant anything by "how" instead of "where"... I wonder why I started all this crap off...."

Oh yes, you're VERY mature.

Whether you "got that impression"or not you should have just taken it from the first time I told you (wording or not) and my subsequent posts all around the forum which said I believed that they were not getting hold of the content in way such as stealing.

Nitpicking about a "how" instead of a "where" in subsequent messages is finding trouble where there isn't any.

Alright - I'm not arguing about this. Just to say that 1) Why would anyone need a screenshot?!?! The exact same piece of message is RIGHT there at the top of this page.

and 2) You are still implying that at some stage I said that people here were hacking/stealing. I NEVER said or thought that. You just assumed that's what I thought.

Thank you.

You're right. I did get riled about something that I probably shouldn't have done. Unfortunately, I tend to do that - add to the fact that I'm 5 months pregnant and I suppose it was bound to happen.

Anyway, thank you for at least letting me get my side in. And keep up the good work.

I'm off to find the DELETED bin now.

Erm... YOU all might know Denimjo like that - I certainly don't, and given what she has accused ME of, I think one accusation of her lying is very small in comparison...

Here are the PMs.

The only thing I have removed is some information about linking to MATY which is irrelevant to this. Denimjo should, I hope, testify to this...
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Me to her:

Okay,

First things first... I just want you to know, I am ALL for PMBD!! I have never had any kind of problem with them. I think what they are doing is fine... (although if it turns out they ARE "stealing" the stuff from the creators to put up at the site, that's probably not such a great thing!)

I've never had a problem with filesharing... I'll be honest - I have paid for subscriptions at Peggy and RoseSims before, which I can afford to do, and shared the files with people I like and trust who I know CAN'T afford to do so. So - there we go. There is my official view on filesharing out in the open (well with you anyway!! :lol:)

However, I'm completely confused as to how all this crap has come about on the other forum. I don't quite understand why you had to go over there and essentially take the piss out of all of us there. (which is what I was upset with you about by the way...)

I was a little miffed about how you handled it, and made members on Boolprop look immature. And now, Boolpropians keep thinking they have to go over there and defend or fight or whatever and it's getting a little out of hand...

I have never had a problem with you. I certainly don't WANT to have a problem with you (you should have seen the PM I almost sent yesterday!!:oops: ) and I know that none of us AdMods want to lock the debate thread, but we need to get both threads (here AND at PMBD) under control somehow... and they don't seem to like listening to me.
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Her to Me

You are, of course, entitled to think that, despite all evidence to the contrary.


The only reason I asked people over there to come and post here was because Drew said that he didn't want to see one person (i.e. me) continuing to respond to everyone else, so I asked people at that site to come and back me up. I figured that most people would be respectful enough on this site to be polite in their messages, and they have been. However, what people choose to say on other forums is, quite frankly, not something that should be brought up here since that site is not allowed to be linked to, and thus misinformation about who said exactly what about anyone else in what context can't be publically displayed.


Here's the thing: you can't really stop anyone from googling the site and finding in on their own, nor can you stop anyone from joining to respond to that thread there either. You just have to trust that the members of this forum are mature enough to conduct themselves in a respectful way, even if other people won't, because that's the kind of site PMBD is: rude, brash, up front and honest. There's no false niceness or fake sincerity there, since no one is threatening to punish anyone for being not nice (and by punish I mean warn, ban or the like). I'm not saying the way this forum is run is wrong, it's just radically different than the way PMDB's forum is.


There's the thing: you can't make anyone do what you ask them to do (notice how on PMBD I asked someone to stop ragging on you and rubbersushi and they flatly said 'no.' That's all you can do, really). What I suggest you do is make a public request here on this site about what you would like to see people do or not do (bearing in mind that no one is under any obligation to follow your requests) and then just leave it alone. You don't have any authority over there, and eventually people are going to lose interest in both threads and the whole thing will die down.

And I'd like to know why precisely you were (or are) pissed off at me in the first place.  :?

The last thing I'd want to see happen is to have the thread here locked because of something that's happening at an entirely different (and unrelated) forum.
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Me to Her

   
I'm assuming here that you're saying evidence against them stealing... I did NOT say they were. I did not say that I THINK they are... You're putting words in my mouth here. I just said IF. I don't know how they're getting hold of the custom content that's all.


As this is a private message, fine. I'm pissed off because you went over there, and made a mockery of the people here - which started off the whole "big words" debate... Rolling your eyes because somebody said they had a headache about the big words... I didn't think there was any need for that. THAT's what pissed me off.
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Her to Me


It's been stated several times how people have been getting the content, Emma. There are people that donate for the items and then choose to take the files they have received and share them with other people. There is no "stealing" involved in any way. That's actually where the 'sharing of personal information' factoid came into play: pay sites are sharing information like real names, addresses, phone numbers, usernames, etc. with other paysites to try to figure out who's sharing the files.


Well, it's certainly your decision to get all pissed off because I chose to display my irritation at someone's comments elsewhere and not on this site. You can also continue to think I was "mocking" people over here if you'd like as well; since you obviously want to believe that, I'm not going to waste my time trying to inform you otherwise.

You know what I think would help you out a lot? Forget about what's happening over there; concentrate on what's being said here. This forum and that forum are run two totally different ways, and it takes quite the adjustment to go from one extreme (everyone is sweet and pleasant and chirpy) to the other (people are unabashedly rude, upfront and in-your-face about their feelings).
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Me to Her


Good grief. You really go all out when you're responding to stuff don't you?!

I said I didn't know where they were getting their stuff for the site from. I have said to Jenn on this site (in plain view so I KNOW you have seen me) on many occasions that you can't go accusing people of stealing... In fact I think I also said in the main forums that, ALTHOUGH I didn't know, I believed that people who had donated were simply sharing what they donated for.

Just because I haven't seen the EXACT places where they state where they are getting their content from does not mean I am saying that they are stealing. I didn't think they were. It is not your job to jump to their defence.


I AM however, aware of this. I even asked them at PMBD for their help, but they didn't give me any. They didn't even respond to my post. So how benevolent should I be exactly???

How about taking some of your OWN advice and not running to your friends for help. You asked to have a debate on Boolprop, you got one. You were the one who brought the other forum into it.
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Her to Me

Maybe I should now amend my previous statements about you. I didn't have a problem with you before; you've certainly made me have one with you now with your unnecessarily pissy attitude and leaps of logic. *sigh*


No, what you said was you didn't know how they were getting their stuff. There is a big difference there. Allow me to quote your previous post:



What did you ask, where did you ask it and how long have you waited for an answer? These are all rather important details you need to offer before I'm going to feel sympathetic with you in the least.


For the love of...*headdesk* One of the moderators on this site (Drew) was the one who said he was getting tired of one person responding to all of the criticisms, and that was the only reason I asked other people to chime in. I was doing just fine on my own until he said that. If you have an issue with that, bring it up with Drew and not me. Here's something that might actually help you understand everything that's going on: read the whole frickin' thread!!! *facepalm*

Now you're really starting to piss me off, Emma. Where is all of this attitude coming from?
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Me to Her

I don't really give a toss how you feel about me.

I'm not asking for your sympathy!?!?! I was just stating a fact. But just since you ask, and since for some inane reason I always feel the need to justify myself:

1) I asked whether they thought I needed to make a claim against Rose.
2) I asked in the RELEVANT THREAD at the forums
3) I've waited two weeks now in what was an active thread at the time.

Don't f*cking talk to me like you're my mother.
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Her to Me


People who have behaved shamefully usually don't care how rational people think about them. Look at your behavior towards me in your last couple of PMs. You have acted in a completely unacceptable manner for anyone, let alone someone who is supposed to be a moderator. Your conduct is embarrassing.


Well, I figured since you have the right to fly off the handle when I stated a fact (about your accusations of hacking), then I naturally thought I was permitted to as well.

Don't bother. Your attitude is reprehensible, and I wouldn't help you now if you asked me to.

Yes, yes, yes. Here we go. Everyone knows that cursing someone out when they're trying to be polite to you means that you automatically win the argument. Congratulations! You're the most well-spoken, educated, and mature poster to ever grace this forum! You should feel extremely proud that you're able to start cursing people out when they're trying to figure out why you've suddenly went from Dr. Jeckyll to Mr. Hyde. Bravo! *clap clap clap*

I've noticed that you conveniently refused to address the whole 'I never said anyone was hacking!' issue when it was perfectly clear that you did. Maybe you think pretending it didn't exist will make you feel better. You should be ashamed of yourself for not only making false accusations to people, but also losing your temper over a mistake that you made in your wording to me in a PM. You are petty and spiteful and I no longer can defend you in anything you say or do.

Do not PM me ever again on this or any other matter. I am filing a complaint against you with Jennifer momentarily. It's a shame you couldn't act like an adult throughout this whole ordeal. Take care of yourself.

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So there you have it. All the PMs - exactly as they were, word for word, except, as I stated earlier to remove irrelevant text not related to this issue. Please feel free to comment.

I haven't made any accusations.... this is what I'm trying to say.

Whether you're joking or not with the last part of your post Pescado, I don't know... but I didn't accuse this site of anything. I actually started the whole mess off by saying I was 100% behind the site and the file-sharing.

Okay... the PMs are to follow....

YOU LYING BITCH.

If this forum is no holds barred then fine. Let's damn well have at it.

NOT ONCE did I accuse this site of stealing or hacking. NOT ONE DAMN TIME.

See this is your problem, Denimjo. You read what you what you want to read and understand what you want to and that's it. End of story. Then, when you don't get your own way, you go running to Admin to lodge a complaint. Do you REALLY believe they're going to listen to you over me!??!

I posted my PMs and your replies ver batum in the Mod Forum immediately I received your last reply and everyone who has read them so far has agreed that I did NOT say anything accusing this site of hacking and/or stealing and that you somehow, gradually got to that conclusion yourself.

In fact, and you KNOW this to be true and anyone who comes to Boolprop can see it in my post history, I have DEFENDED the site against anyone who HAS accused the site of stealing. So don't talk such CRAP.

As for the personal insults... what were they exactly?!??! When I said that you really do go "all out" with your replies!!??! Or when I told you not to talk to me like my mother?!?!

And there is NO RULE on Boolprop.com to stop people cursing via PMs so don't try that again.

And just to prove a point... exactly what have you done?!?! You've run to your friends again, telling tales.

You're pathetic Denimjo (there's your personal insult).

And as for everyone else here, when you know the full story, THEN you can comment.

That sounds extremely likely  :roll:

Nobody said they couldn't debate. We were simply stating that they may not understand some of the larger words used that's all.

So.... just to clarify... you're allowed to come to OUR forum and say your piece, but we're not allowed to come here and do the same?! (And now you're moaning about us "lecturing" you??? What were you just saying to me about "don't dish it out if you can't handle it"!?)

Alright... that was a generalised comment. I wasn't just meaning people here. I was talking about in RL too. So sorry. I will clarify in future.

Second, no you're right - I didn't bring up the thing about ESL. But to be fair - the person who Denimjo originally cross-quoted here (i.e. took the piss out of for not understanding the big words) was not complaining because English wasn't their first language either. They were just basically saying that at 13, they didn't know what things like culpable, altruistic, semantics, etc meant. As, I believe, I didn't at that age.

Third - Hi Sushi!

*waves back*

Okay - for your first point - I'll admit I was seeing red at first, and have deleted that part of my post a while ago.

But I'm sorry, but what the heck is everyone HERE doing except for cross-quoting?!

As to THIS point... I think you should have read what I put properly first. I'm the first to admit that if I don't understand a word I'll go and look it up. My point was, that nobody wants to do that for every single post they read

Jesus.... every one is coming down on me like a f***ing ton of bricks lately.