I can has Tomato friend too? 

Same name here.

Sent you and Tomato a PM

I uh.. actually haven't closed Tomato's livejournal site on my browser, so everything is still there. Left it open 'cuz I haven't the chance to read through yet 

Should I make screenshots too? Although I think Tomato would've already have everything from enrico palazzo

That nickname for Buntah certainly suits her. In the Malay language, "muntah" means "vomit"   

 Btw, how is her name supposed to be pronounced? Is it "Boon-tah" or "Bahn-tah?" I've always pronounced it as "Boontah" since it does rhyme with "muntah" (moon-tah). And it sounds funnier


And I don't know whether to laugh or to shudder at the strange metal block that Sunair sees as a telly. It gives me a sinister feeling that it's some sort of an obscured torturing device. Death by Television o_O

I think that's what they're planning to do. EA prolly sees there's a huge profit to be made from those paysites, and wants a cut, is why all the while they never really took a stand. I just can't help but feel Thomass or Steve or whoever in TSR knows a big dog in EA and they did some sort of secret shady deal, which is why we see the official Sims 2 site promoting TSR. Who knows, maybe whatever profits TSR made, already a certain percentage of it could be going to EA.

Was the survey recent? If it was, I'm wondering why is it gone so fast. I thought surveys are usually left for quite awhile to gather more insight from the public. 

I'm probably the only one who thinks she kinda looks like a man in thick white foundation and lipstick :shock:

She looks a tad better in other pics, so yeah, I guess this one just happened to be everyone's run in of a bad pic day.

I don't get it. Why try so hard taking down the forum? Like that's going to destroy PMBD  :roll:  Even if the little rodent did successfully bring the forum down, so what? Oh, I know! "Oh noes! We've lost threads of important juicy gossips! We've lost the war! Wave the white flag!"

Seriously, what do you get from trying to bring down a forum? So you get a hard-on from annoying us? Well, do your best then, we're mostly jaded here so we'll try to appreciate what little entertainment you promised to provide.

(Lyriclee? Ooh, been a long time since she kicked up a stink. Would be interesting to see her involved again )

That almost sounded like a haiku

The hair in the pic from DonovonCook, zomg, is it a pay-hair? Looks like she stuck snippets of toilet brush bristles on to her hair tips. She could poke someone's eyes out with 'em :shock: I'm surprised we haven't seen this hair on any Carla Niven models. Bad clothes with bad hair, can't ask for anything more than that :lol:

:lol: rofl, no, I certainly don't expect her to come up with something like that, but I would've expected her to at least mention she used a reference for that pose or something like that, and it was traced from a photo that doesn't belong to her. I posted the link in my earlier post, here's the pic again --> http://conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1286070&postcount=41
I don't find a problem with the part comparing Linda's horse plate armour with a real picture though. As I mentioned before, I don't see anything wrong with using photos as references, and it doesn't look traced nor is the whole thing 100% copied from the photo.

And no, cheating in art isn't evil nor a crime, almost every artists do it, but it's another thing to hear one artist not applying to his/her own principles.

Well, I'm not calling for a "witch hunt" nor looking for a fight, just merely expressing my opinion on this new light shed on Linda. She may not use this "cheating" technique anymore, and I still love to look at her art, and still say they're beautiful, but part of me will feel a little disappointed over what she had done.

I apologize for derailing the thread. For the moment there I was treating this thread as an art thread. CaptainJojoba is right, the main issue here is about 2-for-u wrongfully selling Linda's sim skintones. I don't know what can be done about it, other than everyone bombing the site-owners's   email/guestbook with protests.    :!:

PirateOfMashedPotatoes : Yes, I do realise Nelicquele is one of her older art, but if she did steer away from copying, why did she allow prints of Nelicquele to be sold? She would've at least not included it in the Ballistic Masters posters. And it was what she stated about how Nelicquele came about saddened me:



Here's the link to it -> http://www.ballisticpublishing.com/articles/linda_bergkvist/index.php
No credit whatsoever to the photo she referred to.

And yes, Pescado is right about the tutorials. Should her technique be proven false, then it's not right selling tutorials that aren't real, profitting from many novice artists who aspire to be like her. On the other hand, I will not say her tutorials are completely useless, they do have some value in them, but it's still not fair and inaccurate.

Mando: I would also add "photo reference" as a misunderstood term. To me, photo reference is when one refers to a photo when drawing, use it as a guide, but not tracing over. I'm pretty sure others have their own definition of what that term is, and one of them is "to use a photo as reference which includes tracing". In the end, I'm not too sure what the term "photo reference" means anymore :?

Of course artists will need to refer real photos for reference. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, it's encouraged. But tracing over a photo, instead of just using it as a referral, and not mentioning either, is what disturbed me, especially when it gets released to the public, not for personal practice. It's like me taking various sim skintones from Loius, Jirka, Rensim's etc then slapping them up together and upload it to all, claiming it's my original skintone, without properly crediting the original owners. And, I can even get away with it, because I did it so well, that it really looked different from theirs, that is until you start scruntinizing it in depth.

I'm cool with photomanupilation. In fact, I like to see a mergence between  hand-drawn painting and photos, but acting as if the whole thing was hand-drawn by an artist is just misleading.

Now, I'm not all out against Linda, because I still admire her end-results, and her eye for colours are exceptionally good. But I just can't help feeling a little disappointed since she had always been a role-model to me, and I earnestly thought she did everything from scratch. I'm not too concerned with her other works, but I'm more affected by the origins of her Nelicquele since the real photo matches up line-for-line in her art. I guess it's just a little personal thing between her technique and my principle in art.

I'll still say Linda's work is breath-taking, but it doesn't inspire awe in me anymore.

Edit to add: While I may find Linda's technique somewhat shady and hypocritical, I agree whole heartedly with dr.philthy on 2-for-u's unethical action. Selling another's work when it was meant to be free in the first place is just plainly wrong.

It's hard to believe if it really was so. I must admit some of her art does look a tad "Poser"-ish, like Songs Under the Apple Tree, Porcelain, Autumn Whisperlings, and especially http://enayla.cgsociety.org/gallery/378248/.

Also, I just happen to have found a link that discusses her technique. Utterly... speechless now. I think I'm convinced... this post nailed it for me --> http://conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1286070&postcount=41 I still admire her for being able to pass her art off as genuine though. If she really did do paint-overs, I doubt she did it for all her art since there are others that look genuine paintings.

If anyone's interested, the thread that discussed her art technique is here --> http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68448
As an aspiring artist, I'm a little disappointed in her since I've always admired her skill. But ah well, we always learn something new in life. Sorry for going off-topic.

What do you mean when you mentioned her art comes from Poser renders? Is it as in, her digital paintings were painted-on Poser pictures? That it wasn't completely hand-drawn from scratch at all? :shock: I've always admired her skill on how she could achieve almost photo-realistic art from scratch, and it'd be a hard blow for me to find out she relied on Poser instead :?

Also, where did the issue arise? Was it in CGTalk?

I've compared both Ren's and Enayla's texture before, and I've noticed there are similiarities, though subtle. The overall torso for Enayla's and Ren's textures are different, but the arms and legs section are quite the same. Perhaps Enayla used Ren's textures merely as a base/guide for accuracy since if I'm not mistaken, 3d texturing is still something new for her. Or maybe the similiarities were just all some weird conincidence. Who knows  :?

What 2-for-u did was really low. There's nothing worse than profitting from someone's creation and going against his/her wishes. And I thought 2-for-u isn't that bad. Yeah I know, they do have donation sets, but they do make interesting meshes for free. Now it makes me wonder if their meshes are ripped off from some other creators too  :shock:

Woot, even better news to hear! So glad she got saved from the evil TSR!

Can't blame her for being in the dark about Thomas and his crew since she's hardly into the "politics". She's just taking the whole Sim stuff as a hobby, as it should be. Besides, she's a real digital artist. She's got lot more things to look into other than Sims.

Seriously, the Sims is the only one game I know of that has caused insanity and grief within the community (let's not count MMORPG though ). I never expected to find dirty secrets like used jock straps, crazy integrities, drama and paranoia from mods, etc. I bet EA never saw this coming. They're either pulling at their hair in frustration, or laughing at all the drama, wondering how could a harmless game caused so much mess :shock:

I'm just waiting for the next big atrocity to happen.  :roll: