I still don't buy that they've thought that much about it.  Infact, I'm more convinced they think very little about this sort of thing, which is why they seem to do it so frequently.   


Right, and I am not advocating anyone do so here, or even that it should have been done at TSR (to be clear I don't think that it should have).  However, I still my opinion was that there is a distinction between the two incidents of sharing others information.   I feel the first was more egregious, not because this other person stealing free creators work, but because they made their information readily available in the first place to anyone who has a mind to find it (hence leaving themselves open to consequences that could have easily been avoided).  Whereas there was no way any of the other members information could have gotten into other FA's hands without Thomas breaching privacy of those members, plus his own and paypal's TOU.   I guess what I was trying to convey, is how unshocked I was that they would do this sort of thing because they have already done, what I consider much worse to others. 

Again I am not justifying what they did, I think it's wrong, but I think it's on a different level than what happened weeks ago.  People here have brought up where Atwa lives (neighborhood - someone was saying they live right around her) or where Thomas lives (country) just as recently as this hacking scandal and I even remember seeing their full names once upon a time.  I never see anyone going out of their way to stop others from announcing that sort of thing because both have already made much of this information public - even if someone like me wouldn't have known how or have taken the time to find it on my own. I'm just saying I think it's a bit different drawing people's attention to something that is already public, and sharing something that was meant to be kept private (site registration & paypal info).

That's seems more like assumption, unless you know something I don't thanks to coconut... I don't see that as the reason for sharing her information.  I can't imagine anyone at TSR thinking that deeply about it.  I honestly think that it just shows how little they think of the concern for others and the consequences of their actions.  It also show that they are freaking retarded to post, even jokingly, about calling someone at home and threatening them, when they are aware of the fact that coconut is watching and the storm from the previous ordeal just died down. 

That information is pretty public though amirite?  I mean you have to pay for that kind of privacy I thought, last I heard it wasn't too expensive.  Don't get me wrong I think it's in poor taste to draw attention to this information since there are probably plenty of people who don't know just how easy it is to find.  However, I don't think it's not quiet as awful as making private information that you have been entrusted either through paypal or site registration public.  Just my $.02, please don't hit me with empty rum bottles (there may still be a few drops of rum left in them after all). 

If they are not bothered by TSR they are not going to be bothered by this Walt character, especially if he continues the site with just ads or donations.  Even if he didn't EA doesn't seem to give a flying fuck what anyone does.    There are plenty of people being scammed and EA does nothing.  If people want to donate and continue on there, we can't do much either.  

Now if Walt comes back up, and doesn't remove other creators downloads as per their wishes then we need to attack.  The way I figure Walt apparently has other things to do than to just babysit a forum night and day, and there are several of us, and he has lost most of his staff so I think we can make a significant impact and hope he gets really tired of continuous drama and banning.  

When I type in http://www/insimenator.net/forums.php I get the same message as Mr. Boddy shows in his screen shot.  

I'm getting the same thing Mr.Boddy. 

So is there no way to burn the forum then?  Private threads being opened and the fact no one seems to be able to do anything about it is a reminder that Walt still controls the site and as far as he is concerned it is still for sale.  We wouldn't want it to fall into the wrong hands.  

I haven't been able to get a peek all day.  Thanks to whomever posted a download of some of the conversation pages back.  I wish I could finally get on, and I wish Walt would actually respond. 

No you didn't.  If that was the case you'd be able to take some kind of legal action to be able to recoup your goods.  I know you thought you did just like Walt thought he paid for a community, and files and several thousands of willing members who would donate. K&E conned you out of money thinking you paid for the server, and then turned around and sold it to Walt.  

I know what you intended to pay for when you gave K&E that money, but without real proof of ownership, you paid for nothing.  Walt owns the server, not you guys, and no amount of money anyone donated to insim can change that.  I can understand that sting of that might make you unwilling to pay the guy anything, but keep in mind you didn't pay for anything, you just donated a large sum of money that went to K&E.  

I see what you are saying.  As a community you put out alot of money thinking you were going to get something out of it and surprise! they gave it to someone else who is now graciously wanting to sell it to you for real.  

That doesn't change the fact that insim still needs an server and domain, so if you could get it from Walt at a cheap price it may be the only reason to negotiate with him.  However, I seriously doubt Walt will be willing to come down to the price Pes is willing to pay.  Sounds like he wants to collect stupid tax for his mistakes, and no one here wants to pay that bill.  

ETA:  Paden that is good to hear. 

I pretty much thought everyone was in agreement Delphy or Pes would have made much better hosts than Walt.  Either would have been up to the task and been able to contribute a large amount of expertise.  Only Walt didn't take Delphy's offer soon enough, and Pes got to work on cloning.  So I think with the way things transpired Pes is the better option at this point, but that's not because I ever had a preference.    

I like the idea of a fresh start, but I thought cloning was because they wanted to save a bulk of the old site?  

Finally, as others have mentioned, I would like to know Walt's asking price, even though I don't think there is any way in hell we should pay him anything.   

Kathy and Eric are gone, and while I personally don't think Walt is nearly at the same level of fault as either of them, there is only so much we can say about Kathy and Eric at this point.  Walt just keeps on putting himself out there.

What makes him think that if money is tight people are going to spend it on something they can easily get for free and most importantly don't need?  I'd fear if I was someone who was relying on donations of any kind, and if money gets that tight for me, there are only a few causes that I would really stretch my pockets for, and none of them are going to be sim sites (no offense sim owners but I'd rather have people eat). 

My guess is the music and movie industries should watch the hell out now since most of that media ends up digital and can cost you nothing if you have half a brain to find it.  I am not advocating, I'm just saying, there are plenty of free ways to entertain yourself.  Poor Walt has no idea what he is up against, and if he didn't sound like a total douche every time he opened his mouth I would probably feel sorry for him.     

Yeah but as has been repeated many times we all have to remember that the previous owners of 'what was once a great site' willingly sold it to Mr.  I don't pretend to play or understand anything about the game and dynamic of a forum centered around it.   It's sad those owners thought so little of their own community to do this to them. 

I enjoy making fun of Walt as much as the next guy, and will continue to do so.  However I don't blame him for the predicament that insim and it's mods/members are facing now.  Clearly, not many people are keen on the prospect of someone who is just looking to make a profit owning insim, but it's not his fault he was led to believe that they would be. 

I know, but I think Cala has a point, even if she went all fuckity fuck fuck with it.  We've pretty much been bashing members who know less for going on insim, then to turn around and see that people who should know better are checking.  Walt and his comments can wait until Pescado is done can't they?  If not perhaps designate one person to do the checking.  

Edit: seems deelink and I share a brain.