Hello Everyone

I don't celebrate cristmass myself but I wish you all good days .

 I wanna say thanks to Pescado and Bluesoup that is giving time to make Bootylist so I can download stuff and then put in my downloads again .

And thanks for those who share their stuff .

And I guess , that is it .
I am not really big fan of this forum for reasons that I said loooong time ago , so maybe I see you again next year around this time .

Lizard

I think they are not all too happy with all talk but you have to keep in mind that people are bored fast and it will come and go in waves .

And to answer , of course many paysites are only out to make proffit , we can agree on that .

With one step back I don't mean you have to cave on or in , not sure about word, but is like this .
When you make painting and stay too close to canvas you sometimes loose sight of whole painting .

So back to the fact that many paysites is out for the money .
I think is safe to say that most are aware you are collecting and sharing "donation" and payfiles .
Most just cut their loss and with this I mean , they know of your sharing but still making goooooooooood money anyway .
Or they close but like I said , another will eagerly fill the gap .

For them it would be very nice to get you of their backs so they can make even more money .
Ok , now you can keep on doing this and I see the other parts of community warming up to this idea , so not only do they grab your sharefiles in anonymous way cause I think you are aware that many people are just out for the grab in same spirrit as people who have paysites . But they are also prepared to become involved a little more active and that is good thing .

What I mean is , if a paysite is willing to negociate , and you only have to wait if paysite come forward and is prepared to make some contribution to this community , it can be by giving a donation to MTS2 or give more files for free , is this not something to considder ?

The motivation of the paysite would be : if I give an x amount to MTS2 and in so get rid of Pirateforum , that would make my proffit xxx more .
Ok , but then on the other hand MTS2 , who could need some donations,  would have some more cash to continue.

This could bennefit whole community and both parties can bennefit .
Paysites use bút also suport free inittatives .
Free initiatives can continue and keep community creative .

If maybe paysites know you could maybe considder alternative , well maybe they grab calculator and are doing their math .

Well , this is all I can really say , otherwise I am in repeating myself .
I am 45 years old and for in life I learned that there are sometimes more then one aproach , and is sometimes different then what I had in mind .
I do apreciate your inititative and I am not only one , maybe is also good to know for you .
But I have small forum , if it was even smaller it would implode so there is only so much I can do .
I don't think my idea's are bad idea's and I don't see it as matter of right or wrong , we can both have different opinions on this .
Maybe you can considder but I leave up to you .

It was nice to talk in better way as we have done in past , so good luck with all .

Friendly greet , Lizard / Nikos

:shock: arr

Ok , I read all .

I comment of few otherwise is all too long.
Yes there is indeedy also very good free products made for free in this community bút it seems that more and more ask money but make free use of all tools and free promotion .
Because they can and because this community allows it ...still .
And with this I mean , that maybe update/find sites could maybe think a little too if they still want to give all free promotion for sites that only take from this comunity .

The reason I write here is that more people will read then but I do hope that more people will join in here and speak their mind and not leave it all to a few people .
If you feel reluctant to speak up in here you could share your payproducts of sites you don't agree with, in here .

If you have a forum or a site you could also start to promote the Piratesforum or SimsVault simply by putting a link to these 2 forums in your find or update topic .

Ok , someone in here someone said as reply that paysites could freely share ALL their products that are older than 1 year to show goodwill to community and in so give something back and in so include more people .

Would this something you are willing to open up for ?

So to say it simple , what can a paysite do to get you off his back ?  
The fact will remain that people will go on to make Simsproducts for money , in spite of your well meant efforts , some sites close but then 2 others open to fill that gap and this will go on and on .

I am more of a practical guy so what could you see in practical what could bring both parties little more together .

And also , now that there is more openness in this all , what could the rest of the community do ?

And I answer one more , about the TSR2 , well that is very big site so in this I can't see any solution then what you are doing now but most are way more small , like Simsconnection and Reflex , I saw in your booty list so is there no way to talk with them and see if you come both to solution that will bennefit both parties , so give room for both ?

Because you can be stubborn and only go for one goal only but maybe there can be also something achieved , if you could open up for more possibility , if both parties could be little more flexible.

And maybe you could make some suggestions to payites in here that are practical so they can think this over and maybe they could come in here and talk further with you .

Is this not something to considder for both parties ?

Well , I know the idea sounds little like Sound of Music tune and I am not missing your point , I just ad another view .

The way I see is this .
People who make stuff ánd want to make money with this,  are most of time more stimulated to make good stuff cause well , it has to be so atractive that people give money for this .
I think you can see logic in this , it is just like in Real Life .

So , if they could open up to this idea so still make some money , make use of free tools and promotion provided by the rest of community ( like it is already happening now) ánd after some time put up for free download then it will bennefit whole community .
Because people can make recolors of that , put up for download , so like that .
Paysites that are willing to do that can come in here and talk about this .

If you could open up to this idea or at least considder to open up , hehehe ( I am being careful here ) then both sides can maybe make step to eachother .

Because I see like this also . I can understand about this sharing but in long run it will discourage people to make cool stuff .
Not all paysites will go for this of course but like I said before then you can focus more on those sites and maybe whole community can help then to ignore updates from those sites .

Some updatesites are doing updates now for free sites only or give more atention so I guess this means , more people are now more in understanding all of this .

You can go the hard way , of course but then more and more sites will close or let themselves be bought .

I know is not ideal solution and both sides have to do 1 step back but I really think in long run it will bennefit more people then now.
Cause this would also mean that kids and people on low budget can have free acces to all downloads , only little later then the paying crowd .
Paysites keep motivated cause their products are more protected and this could safe all lot of money .

I think it can be done  

Julie Andrews

Hello all

I have been here before but since then have been thinking little about all .
Although I am not too happy with some things that are said here , but that is matter of personal taste , I can understand better what is meaning of all .

Now I guess many of you know there is many talk about pay-sites and in a way the initiative of Pirateforum and SimsVault made it easier for many people to speak more honest in this pay-site matter .
So that is all good .

But I see also some kind of statusquo , so there are 2 oposit sites/sides with different aproach , the people that share payitems on internet so like Pirateforum and SimsVault , the people who download from you , in secret or out in the open .

And on other side/site is paysites  who are of course not too happy with this cause it will lower their income .

But maybe both sides so Pirateforum and SimsVault ánd paysites can come to some kind of agreement .

For me is this . I think there is room for both and I hope that you and paysites who is reading this will read with open mind and think about it a little .
It would be a good thing if all people , so also kids with no visacard and people on budget who can't afford to buy could be included in all downloads .
And it can but then both must do effort and be real in this .

If we allow paysites to make money ( even if you don't agree ) and leave the payobject be so not share for the first period of time and give room then for site to make money .
Then , after this period of time ( I was thinking of  half year , that can be discussed) this paysite put this payobject up for free download for all so all can enjoy and make recolors , and stuff like that . And if paysite agree he will put all paystuff that is older then 1 year already up for free download and in so giving message he agree and also start dating his new paystuff . For paysites that are reading this :
You make free use of tools and promotion in this community and this is a way to include all and give something back to community and you are still able to make money .

Paysites that agree know then that their stuff is safe for that period of time and all know that they can acces this download but only little later .
The paysite could date all paystuff so it easy to see for all when it will be up for free download .

Now for you safes maybe time also cause I think this take many time now , this forum . In this you can then focus on paysites that don't agree and share only from then , safes money too .
I know this not an ideal solution for both sides but it can work if both sides could take 1 step back .

To include all people is not what is in Real Life cause there many people are excluded from nicer things but in here , if we could come to such arangement that would be cool cause then all can enjoy .

Well maybe both sides can think about this a little , and paysites could vissit here and start to talk with people here .

I hope so , anyway .

Thank you for reading , Lizard

Hello all

I have been here before but since then have been thinking little about all .
Although I am not too happy with some things that are said here , but that is matter of personal taste , I can understand better what is meaning of all .

Now I guess many of you know there is many talk about pay-sites and in a way the initiative of Pirateforum and SimsVault made it easier for many people to speak more honest in this pay-site matter .
So that is all good .

But I see also some kind of statusquo , so there are 2 oposit sites/sides with different aproach , the people that share payitems on internet so like Pirateforum and SimsVault , the people who download from you , in secret or out in the open .

And on other side/site is paysites  who are of course not too happy with this cause it will lower their income .

But maybe both sides so Pirateforum and SimsVault ánd paysites can come to some kind of agreement .

For me is this . I think there is room for both and I hope that you and paysites who is reading this will read with open mind and think about it a little .
It would be a good thing if all people , so also kids with no visacard and people on budget who can't afford to buy could be included in all downloads .
And it can but then both must do effort and be real in this .

If we allow paysites to make money ( even if you don't agree ) and leave the payobject be so not share for the first period of time and give room then for site to make money .
Then , after this period of time ( I was thinking of  half year , that can be discussed) this paysite put this payobject up for free download for all so all can enjoy and make recolors , and stuff like that . And if paysite agree he will put all paystuff that is older then 1 year already up for free download and in so giving message he agree and also start dating his new paystuff . For paysites that are reading this :
You make free use of tools and promotion in this community and this is a way to include all and give something back to community and you are still able to make money .

Paysites that agree know then that their stuff is safe for that period of time and all know that they can acces this download but only little later .
The paysite could date all paystuff so it easy to see for all when it will be up for free download .

Now for you safes maybe time also cause I think this take many time now , this forum . In this you can then focus on paysites that don't agree and share only from then , safes money too .
I know this not an ideal solution for both sides but it can work if both sides could take 1 step back .

To include all people is not what is in Real Life cause there many people are excluded from nicer things but in here , if we could come to such arangement that would be cool cause then all can enjoy .

Well maybe both sides can think about this a little , and paysites could vissit here and start to talk with people here .

I hope so , anyway .

Thank you for reading , Lizard

Well I have read enough and I come to this conclusion .

You make no difference between profit items and items that are used to make good time , so you might as well toss that whole story then .
If people wanna "share" they "share"  , ok , I know enough then .  

I understand that many of you live very small , narrow lifes .
The words gay , lesbian  is still very upsetting for you .
I would suggest to come out of that little box that you call your life and get a life .

I have great respect for Jack.  He is creative and he is not hiding himself . It take courage to do that .
You acuse him of being lazy , well all I can see is his creations , and his courage .
From you I don't see nothing , only words .

Yes there are a lot of restrictions and rules that cramp the style .I can agree with that.

I read somewhere in here that a girl don't mind to be called slut . Ok, maybe you have no selfrespect at all .

For me is no need here to come again , it has led to nothing .
I leave you with your outlet of your frustrating lifes , your scoring points , and trashing people .
Have cool time with that .

Nikos

Well I guess a post where no insults are involved are a little harder to answer so I check back later if there can be some kind of agreement in non profitstuff .

About the question if I am gay , well Captain Flint lets have shower together and find out  :lol:

We can make this looooong story where all score points and then react on that , and so on .

Bottom line , I don't like you , don't like your style and don't care what you say .

You don't like me , don't like my style , don't care what I say .

So now we have that settled , I would like to know about contestprizes cause that is in my concern if prizes are safe , if there is no money involved ?

I don't think that is hard question to answer , I like point of view on that and see if we can make deal on that .

Well , that's "funny" the moment I leave forum the tone of all posts certainly change .
I don't wanna "hang" with you , if you should read my mesage , I wanna have some answers , if I have my answers , off I go .

Gossip , oh well,  it is something of all times , most come from people who live not happy lives , are jealous but not capable or too lazy to change their own lives . In fact all this says more about you . Smart remarks , I have read none till so far , funny remarks just for laughs , neither . But ok , is your time so use it as you see fit .

Still have no answer to my questions .

I am reading all this about EA , well it is very nice of course that you are all so concerned about the millions and milions and more milions EA is making but unless you all work with EA , I don't buy this for one bit .

Also on the contests  part still no answer , cause when this is all about being against making money on EA meshes  , what has that to do about having contests , where no money is made ?

Now if someone could give a clear answer on that .

Well I think is all very black and white .

I am listening to what you say , so what if someone sits on his butt whole day , lives with her/his parents and so on .

I guess in this life we can only judge ourselfs , and that don't mean you are holier then holier , it just means you are being honest .

That is what I mean also , we all take a lot of blows in life and sometimes life ain't all that cool .

At the end of the day we are lucky if we find someone who loves us , or pay atention .

What is use to give more blows ?

I think it is very easy to trash someone , very easy indeed .
I don't mind words like , suck , fuck , goddammit , eat me and stuff like that .
That is not what I am talking about .

But what I do mind is the trashing of people .
Do you realize how hurtfull it can be , even though , you don't know the people and they don't know you , the power of words can be very strong .

Look at kids in playgrounds and how they pick on someone and how that can affect a child .

Don't think for one minute that an adult can rise above that .
An adult can just hide his/her feelings better but evenso , it will hurt him/her .

Well we don't live in Disneyland , that I can understand .
And I have my moments too .
But evenso , I think it is responsibillity of moderators to see that it don't get out of hand .

There is a difference to question someone or to trash someone .

And why do those people have to come here , why not say it in their face then so in their forum or site ?

From: woes_wee
To: Lizard
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:13 pm
Subject: same thing you are  
Did you get all the files you wanted???
All that yelling and hollering and the whole damn time you are downloading files from here.


What a crock of shit No wonder you ran out the thread You knew Pescado would tell us what you really came here for

You may as well come out the closet now we know you too are a file sharer


Well I got this message today again telling I am downloading the files you took away from others .
Well I have been on your file site and downloaded 2 files , from Reflex to see if all was for real .
Those files I have myself , also checked names and have written to the ones I know that their stuff was for grab.

We had our conversation , I understand that you are not open for reason and all you want is negative atention , ok have fun with that . My idea of good time is different .

I also understand that some of you are kicked out of forums , well I have been kicked out also , so ok , I broke rules so have  to take the shit what come with that . I am not whining or taking others down with that .
You brake rule , you know what follows , if you are for real you take responsible for own action .

Another thing , I am not Liryclee or whatever his/her name is , the reason we have same computer-id is that we live in same place in Holland and so I am sharing same computer -id like you do too with the ones who live xxx kilometers from you . Is not like fingerprint or something .

You all could come to neutral forum say your REAL forum name , like MINE is LIZARD and tell all why you are doing this so people can say what they feel about it .

I have not heard ONE good reason about this action .
Paysites are as long as the game is around and EA never complained about any of that . So why do you care
People created stuff and sure, many with EA mesh ...so what ?
Nothing is origional in this world so in a way we all borrow idea's from eachother and some of us make job out of that .
But people put time and effort to create simsstuff and if they ask money for that , it is up to individual to decide to buy or not buy .

I heard argument that "poor"kids could not affort .....hmm well , if mother can affort to buy game , I think she can affort to buy simsfurniture for 3 Euro . And if not , kid hads to learn to wait for birthday or Xmas or whatever , or safe from alowance

What is message you giving ?
When you can't buy it , you steal it .

I will not return to this forum anymore cause all is negative with you .

If you are open for reason and interested in the consequence for your actions and want to hear what others think of that , then again, close the list for awhile , come to neutral ground and hear for yourself if is all good idea , without saying the link to your list or give any information about that .

I don't think you up for that but then again , maybe you have guts .

You can contact me with the emailadress that I used for register if you can take this challenge bút only if you close the list for awhile and not give any info on how to find it  .