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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / I smell bullshit
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on: 2006 December 17, 01:16:02
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You know, I'm one of those stupid people that know of this place and still sub to some sites. I like to donate to high-quality sites that give enough free stuff. I don't know why, but it makes me feel good. I'm not that stupid that I think it'll actually help them pay for bandwith, I have my own site and it's totally free so I know what it costs. It's just... I like to do the right thing once and awhile, thank people for the great stuff they make for me to put in my game and if it costs me a couple of bucks, then so be it.
I was thinking of getting a sub at TSR next month, just for he sake of supporting them. Because of this post, I know for sure I'll never support THAT site in my life. I have some free incentives left, and this place ofcourse :lol:
I just can't believe their greediness, it's like they have a wallet with a big hole in it (reminds me of my ex). I wonder, when I donate to ATS, Holy Simoly, or even some more dubieus sites like 4ESF and Reflex, I know those people are buying dvd's and clothes and other stuff with my (and your) money, but that Thomas guy must have gotten himself some BMW cabrio's with that kind of businness.
I know I'm ranting here, so I'll just get to the point. I've read the comments at Windkeepers blog, and everyone just seems to think that if you're able to have a great computer, an internet connection and all of the ep's, you should be able to pay whatever TSR wants you to just because they have a few good creators that are stupid enough to put their shit there instead of a free site (like MTS, Yahoo Groups, whatever)?
What about the teenagers? Do they have to ask their parents money for a 'great new hair' for their sims? And the people that actually have to work hard for their money, struggle with their bills and have some mouths to feed? Do they have to say to their children: sorry honey, no dinner tonight, mommy has to buy a new bedroomset for Freakin' Bella Goth?
This just makes me sick. Sorry for making this post so long but I had to get it off my chest once. I'm sure none of you guys will actually read it, but hell, for as long as I live, I will never give half a penny to damn TSR!
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Retail Sims
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on: 2006 November 07, 00:38:50
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Posted by Jennifer on: 06-11-2006 23:45
I totally agree with Dorien and Bella, if we stop....then they would win.......I believe most of the community is honest and would not turn to such...... blah, I can't even think of the right word to descibe it/call it.....
Too many of my firends have been hurt by these people, and it is very sad, but if we gave up, they would only get what they wanted in the first place. There really is Nothhing we can do to stop them
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Posted by aa93 on: 06-11-2006 23:49
mar1nka wrote:
I don't have a lot of extra money, but that doesn't mean it's ok to steal. I have to agree with the comments about the corporate theft, however.
I personally feel that an organization, like Krispy Creme, would be stupid to go after Retail Sims, because in effect, they are getting free product placement. (If they were smart, they'd hire really talented people to make meshes / textures and distribute them freely to promote their brand.)
That being said, using any logo without permission is a copyright violation. So it's kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.
I just went to the RS site, and everything is gone. Such a shame.
This reminds me of what happened to Sims Connection when there is this Starbucks Set used without any permission that is pay.
And yes, the site is cleared except for the " Who is John Galt? " frame Edited 06-11-2006 23:54:14 by aa93
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Posted by kikkert1 on: 07-11-2006 00:11
In a way, it all seems very childish to me. First of all that donationsets are being offered for free, but also the attitude of some creators. I can understand it's not nie to see your hard work being offered for free, but punishing everyone for what some of them do is not a mature way of handling things
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New member Posted by DelMita on: 07-11-2006 00:58
The EULA for EA clearly states that EA Games owns the copyright of any items created with the code they used to make the Sims. They did however give creators permissions to accept money to cover their bandwidth costs. Unfortunately a lot of creators have abused this system.
Truthfully, what creators who charge for donations sets are doing is against the EULA of EA Games and therefore a grayshade of illegal. Pescado received the files from people who donated money to receive the files. He did not steal them. He is sharing what was shared with him.
I agree with Sharon, that is is humorous and hypocritical of the Retail Sims site owner the have abused the Krispy Kreme copyright, but now that her set is available for free, she cries foul and throws a temper tantrum.
What Pescado is doing causes no harm except to people who have abused the system. These people do not work for EA Games, they aren't employees of EA and therefore should not treat a hobby as employment.
Do these creators have business licenses? Do they pay taxes on their received donations?
If they aren't careful they will wake up someone larger than EA Games at the door. The taxman. Heaven help you if the taxman makes a visit.
As a side note. The owner of Retail Sims may have taken her stuff down, but she made sure to leave her Paypal button up didn't she?
Just a thought...
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Posted by aa93 on: 07-11-2006 01:07
DelMita wrote:
The EULA for EA clearly states that EA Games owns the copyright of any items created with the code they used to make the Sims. They did however give creators permissions to accept money to cover their bandwidth costs. Unfortunately a lot of creators have abused this system.
Truthfully, what creators who charge for donations sets are doing is against the EULA of EA Games and therefore a grayshade of illegal. Pescado received the files from people who donated money to receive the files. He did not steal them. He is sharing what was shared with him.
I agree with Sharon, that is is humorous and hypocritical of the Retail Sims site owner the have abused the Krispy Kreme copyright, but now that her set is available for free, she cries foul and throws a temper tantrum.
What Pescado is doing causes no harm except to people who have abused the system. These people do not work for EA Games, they aren't employees of EA and therefore should not treat a hobby as employment.
Do these creators have business licenses? Do they pay taxes on their received donations?
If they aren't careful they will wake up someone larger than EA Games at the door. The taxman. Heaven help you if the taxman makes a visit.
As a side note. The owner of Retail Sims may have taken her stuff down, but she made sure to leave her Paypal button up didn't she?
Just a thought...
I know what you mean, but then people who download from Pescado is stealing, right? And that HChangeri from Retail Sims did not leave anything behind except the ' Who is John Gale? " background
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New member Posted by nivaya on: 07-11-2006 01:21
aa93 wrote:
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I know what you mean, but then people who download from Pescado is stealing, right? And that HChangeri from Retail Sims did not leave anything behind except the ' Who is John Gale? " background
Not really, downloads from Pescado are hosted by him, to be downloaded for free and thus not costing the creator anything, nor leaving them out of pocket. If, for example, he was distributing usernames and passwords, that would perhaps be stealing, as it would be detracting from the creator's bandwidth and so on.
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New member Posted by DelMita on: 07-11-2006 01:25
aa93 wrote:
And that HChangeri from Retail Sims did not leave anything behind except the ' Who is John Gale? " background
Scroll down her rant. To the left side is her PayPal button. It's only that far down because her rant is so long.
Another point. Her threatening to sic Black Hats on Pescado isn't illegal, but she is talking about illegal activities. While Pescado may have stepped on some toes he has done nothing illegal. Much less threaten anyone.
Edited 07-11-2006 01:27:48 by DelMita
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Posted by aa93 on: 07-11-2006 01:26
nivaya wrote:
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Not really, downloads from Pescado are hosted by him, to be downloaded for free and thus not costing the creator anything, nor leaving them out of pocket. If, for example, he was distributing usernames and passwords, that would perhaps be stealing, as it would be detracting from the creator's bandwidth and so on.
But then its not right to host other people's files as yours. When things are yours, its not the right way to take it and say "Oh! This is mine!" And further more, most stuff do have copyrights on them
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Posted by Daria on: 07-11-2006 01:26
just to point out, that paypal button is not to donate its one of those info links to tell people what paypal is and how to use it, theres nothing about donating to this site at all.
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New member Posted by DelMita on: 07-11-2006 01:29
You are right. I just assumed. But it is still here.
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Posted by Daria on: 07-11-2006 01:31
DelMita wrote:
You are right. I just assumed. But it is still here.
well i dont see anything wrong with that as long as she didnt have the unmittigated gaul to accept further donations, which of course would be ridiculas.
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / nice message
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on: 2006 November 07, 00:34:15
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I love the way you're trying to type a phony accent all of a sudden.
And what do you mean with: if mother can buy game, mother can buy donationset of 3 euro?
Do you actually think that it's ok to STEAL some poor kid's allowance? That is more stealing than what happens here on the site you know. Here they are sharing somethings that some people bought, which means they OWN it.
And if you think a mother should hand out her creditcard to some youngster to buy some donationsets, I really hope you're not a mother yourself because you would be doing a crappy job.
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ??
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on: 2006 November 05, 00:09:51
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They could always get a job :roll: I have kids too, I have to feed them too and don't tell them they can't eat for a whole week because I have to help some lazy ass I've never met just to get some cc for my game :roll:
Face it: almost every site has a pay-set for every free set, a lot of sites only have a few freebies, so you'd have to SHARE them or you just couldn't pay for all of them without going bankrupt. And then we'll I'll start making our own paysites, with stuff on it that equals Carla Niven's and the internet would be a doomed place forever :twisted:
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ??
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on: 2006 November 04, 23:59:04
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Many people have worked very hard on their payitems and pay schooleducation and just HOUSEHOLDstuff or bandwith with that . WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS  ? This simsstuff was supposed to be fun , are you soooo unhappy that you can't stand that ? It's not so fun when you have to pay for it every month  I also have to buy myself a good enough computer, pay my internetconnecion every month, and buy all games and ep's just to be able to keep up with downloads. When will I get rewarded for that? If someone like to create for the game, let them, but I don't see any reason why they should make a profit out of it |
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The Pirate Ship / ARR! / Retail Sims
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on: 2006 November 04, 22:05:47
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To be honest, I don't really care much about this site, I've never downloaded anything from that site, because it just looks like a bunch of crap to me (I did however download the donation packs here, maybe they have a better quality), so I don't really care wether she decided to shut down or not. On the other side, if all paysites or sites that take donations decide to do this, I would really freak out :roll: I love 4ESF and Mangosims and several other sites, and my game would be total crap if it weren't for their downloads.
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