Paden, I have a 'Fairchild' home entertainment system, see it here http://gamingmuseum.classicgaming.gamespy.com/channelf.html
I 'think' it was the first. Unfortunatley, it doesn't work anymore=(
ETA-Actually, google tells me it was the 'Magnavox Odysey' predating the fairchild by 3 years.

Ummmm, wow  D=
Hec, that kokigami link is so hilarious OMG. I've never heard of such a thing
I guess now I know the origin of finger puppets

I'm pretty sure the ONLY instance where you could feasibly get away with selling someone a seperate 3d model and appropriate texture .bmp and not be in violation of the EULA is in the case of completely static objects
with no game interactions what so ever (including 'look at' or whatever it's called)

Anything with any kind of animation, which is pretty much every kind of object(anything with an interaction) and all clothing, and hair too(hopefully), uses EAs animation code. When I make a clothing mesh, not only do I start with an EA mesh as my base, but I always use all of EAs bone assignments which they created for the sims 2 game EVEN IF I MAKE A PART ENTIRELY MYSELF. If I didn't use this, my mesh would not work and your sim would not move, or maybe the mesh would 'explode' as sims 2 meshes are fond of doing (I actually don't know what a non-animated clothing mesh would do)

 Maybe if I sold someone an unboned(sims bone assignments belonging to EA) appropriately sized 3d model which I did not start with game mesh to make (which would be immpossible, in terms of correct sizing) and a 1024x1024 bmp for texture( I could not use BodyShop to preview while I made it either, but Milkshape displays textures pretty nice), and than I required that they do the bone assignments themselves (it takes forever), and use BodyShop themselves to connect the bmp to the mesh, than I could do it without violating the terms of the EULA.
However, I don't think any one does it this way or ever will.  Most people would not want to have to bone a mesh themselves, it would be way easier to just make the whole mesh yourself 99% of the time.
 
Or, I suppose I could say I did the bone assignments and connecting the texture in BodyShop for free, and charged only for the mesh and texture, provided I hadn't used any of EAs tools (which is really totally impossible for someone who has only sims 2 meshing experience)
When I make a mesh, I use EAs hands, feet, necks, and any other parts I can, because it's too long and complicated to make your own if you don't have to. So I have used EAs animation code long before I put the mesh into a .package. It already belonged to EA the second I loaded it into my Milkshape. If you have had a Sims 2 mesh and your mesh loaded into your 3d program at the same time while you were working on it, you'll lose your case, I guarantee :lol:

The only reason I think the commisioning is different is because we just can't do anything about it, other than discourage it. I don't think it's any more or less illegal than a paysite, I just think it will never catch on the way paysites did, mainly because I think most people don't have a clear idea of what they want for cc, and prefer to just see whats out there.
Many people who could afford a tailor still prefer ready to wear, etc...

Well, I don't take anything personally, really :lol:
I agree that is really silly and snobbish behaviour, and if anybody ever sees someone doing that and saying I (iamliz13 at MTS2) am the creator please, pm me here or at MTS poste haste and the item will be uploaded immediately=)If I gave someone a nice sweater IRL, I wouldn't expect them to wave it around at people saying 'Lookie what I got, bitches'  I do not do it to exclude anyone, or even because I like to keep things to myself, it's actually down to my personal laziness and lack of time. I like to only upload things in sets,screenshots etc take forever. So chances are, if I've made something and it's not part of a set it won't get uploaded.

I do agree it seems silly to want to pay someone to make you a hood when there are some already available for free. I wonder what it is she wants so specific that she can't just modify an available one?
I can for sure understand wanting an entire premade hood though, where you can just start playing immediately, if you don't like building and decorating. Sometimes I love building and decorating, and sometimes I hate it sooo much, lol.

Well, for me the issue isn't really with the EULA. Obvoiusly no matter how you go about it, profiting from cc is still forbidden by the EULA.
The issue is more that you can't really expect a perfect stranger to undertake a hugely comlicated task for you, particularly one in which they have little personal interest, without offering them some form of compensation.
I'm not trying to state that what is being commisioned is the labour, not the product, I'm blatantly saying it's both.
Production costs factor heavily into any purchase you'll ever make. Surely noone would be compensated for their time without receipt of the end product, but the end product would not exist without the time invested to create it.
And to me it is crystal clear that this is still rendered perfectly illegal by the EULA.

I can't say I think the poster at N99 is a lazy ass. Is anyone who plays PleasantView, StrangeTown, etc... a lazy ass?
This person just wants a brand new nh to play with, and would rather invest money than time for it. Transactions like that make the world go round.
Bottom line on cc commisions is that we won't be able to stop it.
Though I agree with Sherry and Kariminger that obviously EA's ownership of .packages supercedes any contract between other parties, there is just zero way to get said files.
I'm not sure if I would take a cc commision or not, but if I did and the person did not want me to distribute the files I wouldn't. I make PLENTY of files I don't distribute, and some I send only to my friends if I want (for free mind you). In that case I do ask that people not distribute those 'gifts' because I feel if the .packages have not been posted, they are still mine. EA can take files I have posted on the web if they want, but they can not come into my house and take them from my hard drive.
I can't say I think it's too different.

Well, a while ago someone sent me a request for a huge set of very complicated clothes on MTS2. I pmed them back saying their request would take too long, probably 2 months or more of 2-3 hrs every day, and that I wasn't interested in it.
So they pmed me back offering to pay me $20-$30 for it.
Now, assuming it took me 3 hrs/day for 30 days, thats 90 hrs. $20 for 90 hrs is about 20-22 cents/hr :?
Lol, thats a real shit job.Like a sweat shop in Bangledash :lol:  And remember, I can really only sell it the once, I can't create an exclusive item for someone and than distribute it. So my only option would be to shave hours off my production time, and of course that could ony lead to reduced (severely reduced) quality in my productions. So, for me, that's why I wouldn't take a commision. It's just insulting in terms of the money.
 I don't really think of it in the same way as a paysite, because if you really really want something made that no one else seems interested to make for you, this is probably the only way to get it. I would pay someone $10 or $20 to make me a computer that looks like a medieval scroll with a new writing animation, I've wanted one for ever, lol.
(But they'd probably say to me 'That would cost me $200-$500 in my time')
It's also patently obvious that we can't stop it, we can never get those files unless the vendor or the customer agrees to hand them over.
It's also the absolute least profitable form of selling cc, no one will ever pay you for the files what they are worth in terms of labor. And noone will request anything easy like 'ponytail hair with gap' or 'shitty photoskinned bikini' So I don't think it will ever catch on in the larger sense.

Now,I just wonder how much this person was willing to pay for an entire complete nh? I made myself one medieval themed hood from scratch, it took FOREVER! I couldn't make someone one for less than $1000, honestly  My time is just worth too much to me to let it go for pennies an hour.
Lol, I hope I'm not coming off sounding pro-paysite, I'm not, but this cc commision thing is just so different to me than just slapping up random five minute files on your site and selling them for 50 cents a pop. It's SO labor intensive to make good cc.
I pmed this person back saying 'At my job, I make about $20/hr. 90 x 20 is $1800 :twisted: '
What ever I do for free I do for pleasure. Whatever I do for money is REALLY going to cost you :lol:

Well, frankly I am just livid/terrified about this.
I was going to go buy BV today, but decided to hold off until after I am done my work for the day. Than I came here and read this, not to mention the link to the BBS and the horror stories over there. So many people over there are saying Securom has borked their whole pc!
I work from home, and my work and sims is on the same pc, including my un-backed up Quickbooks, all my thousands of spread sheets and other documents...GAH!!!(whines) I really wanted BV too. Now I for sure will not buy it, probably not ever, since EA will certainly never fix it by removing the Securom.
Probably hobbies and other eps and sps, if there are any more, will carry this nasty little surprise too.
I really hope people who've had to incurr expenses from this do file complaints and pursue a lawsuit. I don't know if they have a case, really, but maybe then EA will look at changing it's business practices, just a little, to accomodate it's customers. They've lost money from me and others, too.

@Sparkle Plenty-I didn't make this mesh-the bottom is made by Hysterical Paroxysm and the top is maxis.
I will make them in light and dark tan for you=) I don't think I'll put a strap and buckle, as I want them to look like a particular pair of slightly slouchy, distressed leather boots I used to own IRL.
@Army Wife-Ya, I haven't made any recolors at all yet, so if you have color requests I'll do 'em.
My username at MTS2 is iamliz13, they'll probably be up there this week.

I'm working on a set of 'untucked' seperates-tees and skirts with boots.
The boot texture is hand made-I'd really appreciate some feedback if anyone has any, as I am still working on the boots and I'm not too sure about the texture. Also, please fawn all over me m'kay

Thanks guys, I'm glad you like them!
I'll post them on my paysite when I'm done, lol=)
 ( my user name at MTS2 is iamliz13, I'll put them up there when they are done)

This is what I've been working on most recently-a set of casual summer dresses with flip flops.This is just an example-I have sketches for about 30. Does anyone use clothes this simple?
I want the pirate opinion yarr!

Hurray!
I'm so glad people use my silly medieval clothes :lol:
I'm going to be uploading a set for men to MTS2 tonight, so you can hopefully find those this weekend if you want em!

Here is my latest creation



You can find it at MTS2 here.
http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=236612
And hurray! it's my first featured upload!

Thankys<3

For me I've only ever played medieval so I haven't seen like 99.9% of cc in game lol. I feel like I'm probably really missing out as the very best stuff is not medieval :cry:

Look at my stuff too!!!!!...please :cry:  :oops:  :lol:


http://www.modthesims2.com/member/iamliz13