I noticed that the Gelydh tattered dress mesh was the same as the one she has on TSR - she's just changed the name slightly from Tattered Alpha Dress for Adult Females (REA25) to  AF-FB_AlphaTatteredDress. There must have been plenty of toys thrown out of the pram at TSR when the powers that be noticed that she'd in effect made her mesh free - that's if they've noticed   I don't think either Aikea or Gelydh have mentioned their own site anywhere on TSR have they? Maybe they're testing the waters with the free site before dumping TSR, as Aikea has of course uploaded a few things at InSIM in the past.

Re: the tattered dress mesh, am I right in thinking that the TSR version of the mesh won't work for the free dress and vice versa (ie the free version won't work for the pay dresses)? I have both so it doesn't make a difference to me, but I thought I'd ask anyway.  

I read most of that thread as well before I got sick of all the gushing. And I have to say that this comment was one of those that made me run for the bucket most of all:



Talk about the blind leading the visually challenged (and who wouldn't be after accidentally stumbling across atwat's amazing technicolour crap)  :roll: "At any time of the day ... there's so many downloads ..." - not at the moment there ain't kiddo! And I agree with Lilith that deleting the post with the EULA quoted smacks of them knowing that what they're doing is illegal. Could that be more ammo to use in future e-mails to EA about their activities?

Even though I can't make diddly squat, and wouldn't upload it to TSR if I could, what exactly is the nature of the contract/agreement between them and FAs? I wouldn't have thought that TSR sends the FAs anything to sign, so in that case there's no legally binding contract and therefore the FAs can post their stuff anywhere else that they choose. If a creator did that and TSR found out, what would they do - sue them? I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the court case when in fact TSR would be the ones in the shit because of the laws they're breaking  :lol:

I've been reading about the copyright argument on here for a few days, and remembered that here in England - as far as I know - you have to legally register something, whether it's a book, music or whatever, in order to claim that you have legal copyright on that item. As I very much doubt that any of the paysites (possibly with the exception of TSR) have gone to the trouble of doing something similar as is required in their countries, for them to say that freely distributing their CC via the booty or any other method is violating their copyright is a load of hogwash. Unless they've gone through the proper procedure, they do NOT own the copyright on anything they make, whether it's meshes, textures or simple recolours. Let's face it, many paysites - such as Sim Chic for example - photoskin from celebrity and designer photographs in order to make things such as formal clothing and full outfits. In that case surely they themselves are violating two sets of copyrights - the original designers' and the photographers'? Starbucks pulled the plug on a Sims Connection payset when they found out that they were selling items that infringed their copyright after all.

I found this definition of copyright on an online dictionary, and have italicised part that seems most appropriate to any whinging coming from paysite owners who believe that their copyright (and other rights) have been infringed by freely sharing their CC:

[Free On-line Dictionary of Computing - Cite This Source
copyright legal
The exclusive rights of the owner of the copyright on a work to make and distribute copies, prepare derivative works, and perform and display the work in public (these last two mainly apply to plays, films, dances and the like, but could also apply to software).

A work, including a piece of software, is under copyright by default in most coutries, whether of not it displays a copyright notice. However, a copyright notice may make it easier to assert ownership. The copyright owner is the person or company whose name appears in the copyright notice on the box, or the disk or the screen or wherever.

A copyright notice has three parts. The first can be either a c with a circle around it (LaTeX \copyright), or the word Copyright or the abbreviation Copr. A "c" in parentheses: "(c)" has no legal meaning. This is followed by the name of the copyright holder and the year of first publication.
Countries around the world have agreed to recognise and uphold each others' copyrights, but this world-wide protection requires the use of the c in a circle.

Originally, most of the computer industry assumed that only the program's underlying instructions were protected under copyright law but, beginning in the early 1980s, a series of lawsuits involving the video screens of game programs extended protections to the appearance of programs.

Use of copyright to restrict redistribution is actually immoral, unethical, and illegitimate. It is a result of brainwashing by monopolists and corporate interests and it violates everyone's rights. Copyrights and patents hamper technological progress by making a naturally abundant resource scarce. Many, from communists to right wing libertarians, are trying to abolish intellectual property myths.

See also public domain, copyleft, software law.
US Copyright Office Circular 61 - Copyright Registration for Computer Programs.
The US Department of Education's "How Does Copyright Law Apply to Computer Software".
Usenet newsgroup: misc.legal.computing.
[Is this definition correct in the UK? In the US? Elsewhere?]
(2000-03-23)

The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, © 1993-2007 Denis Howe]

I have no doubt that paysite owners and supporters would say that the start of the second italicised paragraph is in their favour if EA eventually do agree that the selling of CC must stop, namely "Use of copyright to restrict redistribution is actually immoral, unethical, and illegitimate." However anyone with a shred of common sense can see that they would again be talking out their behinds, as we have EA/Maxis approval to use their tools to make and redistribute CC - they are not the ones imposing the restrictions on sharing what should be available to all of us in the Sims community.

In my opinion it's the paysites that are the real pirates as they are guilty on more than one or two counts in what they do. All we are doing is dowloading and using what should be freely available to us in the first place, as stated in EA's EULA. That's why paysites must be destroyed.

EDIT: link to the online dictionary (the definition quoted is the second to last item at the bottom of the page):

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/copyright

I made him a family sim as well! His lifetime want is to breed 20 kittens or puppies, and when he met my self sim he spent a lot of time looking at her boobs  :oops:

*sneaks in*

I haven't changed his eye colour, but did make his eyes slightly bigger. At the moment he's still got the purple hair as well, although I will try a different style on him at some point. In my game he has a thing for my self-sim - bless him - and he's working his way through the education career track. No sign of any angst. Yet ....  :lol:

Forgot something: I have absolutely no clue about meshing, re-texturing, etc but I was puzzling over whether or not the updated hair that Aikea Guinea uses on him is a tweaked version of her Robert Smith hair? I can see a few similarities in the overall shape (which could be wishful thinking), so maybe she tweaked the alpha/s a bit and retextured  :?:

Thank you JesterImp!  

Hi, could you upload this file again please - I didn't see this thread before (got my copy of Tristan elsewhere), and wasn't happy when he disappeared in the shower  :shock: