Mh? What did 2-for-you to Enayla? I feel like I've missed some drama here.

I don't know Nouk.
It's not like, just because she your friend everything she does is right.
I don't think that taking off her pay stuff make her an hero. She didn't get rid of that because she knew it was wrong. She removed the pay stuff because she was afraid by the possible EA legal actions against her. She's most likely to be a coward to my eyes.

Said that, of course every pay creator that goes free is welcome in the community. Turn the other cheek.

Actually, as someone else pointed out, the tanning bed on his site *is* pay per download. You pay for it, you get it. And that download also happen to be the only downloadable thing on the site (or at least it was the last time I checked).
And this make Numenor' *site* a *paysite*.

Now, we know that every other work made by Numenor is avaiable for free, so I might agree that he's not a pay *creator*, cause, afterall, the 99,9% of his stuff is not pay, but still, his *site* is pay.

Just in case it wasn't clear yet, I agree with the general "If you have to pay to get 1/all contents you are on a paysite" rule.

Are ATS and XM Sims supposed to be free site now?  :wink:

Btw, I guess Google basically list sites using their meta tags. The sites listed above probably have the word "free" in their metatags - and they're also widely visited sites too, and this contributes to put them at the very beginning of the list.


oops, NaughtyDiamond, I didn't saw your one  :lol: .

I especially love the "e-mail me and you can get your set by contributing in other ways" bit.
They're basically saying "kiss our ass and you'll get your donation gift" or what?

Really  :shock: ? 'Cos I remember I read this thing somewhere (I believe it was NoukieSims), a letter were this guy from EA said that selling stuff made using EA tools is against US copyright law.

*search for it*

Here it is, Nouk posted it on her site.

"If you use a tool created by Electronic Arts and wish to charge money for the content created with that tool afterwards, then you are in violation of US Copyright Law. Several countries share and/or recognize US copyright law."

I thought the guy was pretty much saying that paysites are considered illegal by EA Games.

It would be quite embarassing for me if I got it wrong, 'cos since when I read that I've been going around saying paysites are illegal.
Erm.

I'm now curious to find out who are the 29 jerks who voted against PSMBD.

(edit), I mean, you can support or not the idea of file sharing, you can support or not the idea of paysites, they're pretty much personal points of view. But pay sites ARE illegal, no matter what is your view on it. Free creators always said that, and now EA confirmed. So, wtf? How can sharing for free files that should be released for free at first, be *illegal* ?

What? I've been offline for barely 10 weeks and *all* this happens? Wow.
Drama drama drama!



ps. I admit I didn't have enough patience to read all the 45 pages, so I guess it might went OT in the meanwhile. Eh.

Ah, gossips!

Eheh, well, I guess I'm pretty partial it comes to SimChic.
Lets just say I wouldn't download their stuff even if it was a free site.
I make skins myself, and I notice very easily when a texture was made badly, and SC skins are.
They look like they were rushed off, with no care over details at all. All of the most of their textures looks like the creator just took the picture and pasted it over the skin, with no further adjustments.

Speaking of meshes, I gotta say that some of their meshes are useful; not pretty, not well done, but useful, since they're so many and they're freely redistributable. I can't judge for their technical quality since I'm not really an expert mesher.
It's a bit of a sham to admit it, but I even liked a couple of their meshes.. I loved the "nails" accessory mesh when it came out, for example.

This is very far from saying I like their meshes, tho. As someone else mentioned, their feet are.. erm.
The heels are not the problem; I like stiletto heels. The whole foot is disturbing. So thin, small, and yep, the heels are probably a bitt to much high.
Marylin did
I confess: I like sim swimwear with shoes and heels, and I even made a couple as well
I rarely make my sims actually *swim*, I'm more likely to just take them and bring them to the beach to eat sandwiches, play darts and stay with friends. And what's wrong in going to the beach wearing heels? I mean, I do that.
Seriously, I love stiletto heels (even if I can't walk on em and they make me look like a drunk goose, *cough*cough*), and I quite like meshes with heels (stiletto or not)

The worst thing is that "the artist" is CrecheBaby herself. I wouldn't find it so offensive if they were made by someone else of the staff, or a guest artist. I mean, why should they even care about quality? It's not their site. I believe they're paid on the basis of how many skins they make.
But Creche? She's the site owner. I would be fuc*ing embarassed to have such things on my own site.

Would you share it privately? I hate that mesh too.. so unrealistic, in a sort of weird, pinup-ish way  :?

Mh, I'm lost. Who Inge, Alesha and Raincandy are? Are them S2C members or what?

Eheh, I don't think you are either.
But, while I generally understand and approve this "policy", I'm not sure I would use it on my site/uploads, since I try my best to respect other creators policies...
Yes, I know, said by a file sharer this might sound pretty self-contradictory XD, but I can't help but think it this way.
I'm curious, tho, to see how you'll manage to go trough this thing and how will downloaders and creators react to this.

I'm also pretty curious to know Hysterical Paroxism point of view about this subject, since she's a member here.
I quite enjoy her meshes, and I find her redistribution Policy pretty restrictive, especially since she's a MTS artist (I have nothing against being a creator over MtS, but lately its downloads are more likely to be down then up and it's such a tragedy to download stuff there).
I'd love to know wich reasons make her decide to forbid the redistribution of her meshes and how would she feel if someone would ever redistribute her meshes somewhere, with credits and everything of course. :?:

Thanks

I ditto to this.
The worse thing is that lot of people probably thinks that a pay creator deserves thanks and support more then a free one.
And btw I love your avvie. So Rose-hairs

I don't know.
While I myself hate to upload stuff on my site without the meshes, and I try my best to use only meshes that are redistributable, I wouldn't redistribute someone elses work if that's against their policy.
I always try to follow and respect other creators (free or pay) policies, even if I don't approve them, even if I think they're wrong.

I'm not trying to say you're disrespectful or anything, and, yep, rules are there to be infringed, but, if everyone start to follow only his own rules or only the rules he/she approve, that would be anarchy, even on internet.
Anarchy looked super cool when I was a 16een years old punk-rocker ;P, but isn't in fact *that* great.

On the other side, when I download something and then I have to go look trough 100.000 other sites to download the meshes, I get quite annoyed.

So, I don't know. So far I've always thought that giving accurate directions to download off-site meshes is fine. As far as I know you're the first to have this all-meshes-included policy.

Lately Carla Niven' site, with its fugly stuff and overly high prices, has become the symbol of crappy paysites.
Everyone agrees that their stuff is bad quality.. or even worse XD.

But there's another site that really bugs me but isn't mentioned alot. As the title says, I'm talking about SimChic.

[RANT mode ON]

I've never actually liked their downloads alot but, while at the beginning they had average looking stuff, not very hq but still not fugly, it seems to me that not only their quality level hasn't improved, it looks like it has gotten worse.

With the exception of a few guest artists, all the stuff on the site is made of low quality, badly photoskinned, weird, designer clothes that *I* would never make my poor sims wear.

When today I saw these clothes on Bines' finds,

my eyes tried to commit suicide and I felt the urgency to run into the bathroom and puke.
Instead, I decided to wrote my own personal rant here ;P

So, why is Simchic better than Carla Niven? But most of all, how in the world so many people actually like and subscribe to Simchic?(Someone might point out that Simchic is cheaper then Carla Niven. I don't think this is very important though. Personally, I'm against the whole pay per download idea, wichever the price is.)

It would be interesting to debate about this on a bigger board followed by a wider variety of people (I guess it's hard to find someone here who likes paysites XD) but I doubt that a mature and polite debate could be possible  :?

[/RANT mode OFF]

So, what do you think? ;P