Base Game= $59.99 CAD
Uni = $39.99
NL = $29.99
OFB = $29.99
Pets = $29.99
Holiday 2 = $6.99
Video card on first computer = $79.98
RAM Upgrade on first computer = $99.99
New computer to play it better = $600.00
RAM Upgrade on new computer $180.00
                                                  $1156.92

Plus about $600 in total on paysites (though only half of that money was my own spent)

Now, I do have all of the other stuff packs, but I didn't exactly pay for them (arr!) so I won't even mention them.

I think she'll be back after a break.  There's lots of reasons why a person might disappear, and speculating and talking shit about her won't make her come back any sooner.

I'd really appreciate it if we could keep the fucking smacktalk to the paysite owners.  The ones that do decent free work should be allowed to take a break once in a while ya know?

I'm having a major "WTF" moment here.

Base Game= $59.99 CAD
Uni = $39.99 (Don't ask me why it's more expensive than the other EXP packs but it was the same at every store I went to)
NL = $29.99
OFB = $29.99
FFS = $19.99
Glam = $19.99
Pets = $29.99 (I would prefer a refund because it sucks)
Holiday = $19.99 (I actually had to haggle to get this price because everyone seemed to think it was a full expansion pack)

My total spent on The Sims 2 : $ 287.41 (Give or take a few dollars due to the change in taxes where I live)

Should I really start to add the amount I wasted on subs?  No because even I don't remember anymore but I can tell you now that I've stopped, I can actually put the money that I was previously wasting, I can put that money towards bills.

I see your point, but after thinking about it even more than I've been doing since the whole paysite issue was brought to attention, I still don't really care what Delphy or other freesite owners do with the money they get from the donations.

The point of being against paysites, I think, is largely a moral one, but it is so because it derives from a legal observation: having people pay for something you're not allowed to sell in first place is not legal. Maxis is the one entitled to mind about it from a legal point of view, and they may decide not to mind at all, we on the other hand are the ones entitled to mind about it from a moral point of view, but our minding about it has a reason to be and is so strong because it directly comes from the fact the selling CC stuff is not legal.

Gah, am I even making sense?? while the toughts form in my head in Italian I assure you I am :lol:

What I mean is, I completely support and am interested in the issue of being against paysites only as long as it has a legally relevant reasoning behind it. Otherwise, I'm not interested in the sheer moral issue of what should or should not be done generally speaking by the freesite owners. As long as someone offers 100% free cc content on their site, leaving it up to people to decide whether or not to donate and knowning that donating won't gain them any "special gift", that's perfectly fine with me even if the owners in the end get so much money to sustain their site and live off it. Because while that might sound not moral, yet it doesn't infringe any law, and specifically any of the rules made by Maxis. I guess that's the only confining line I'm willing to consider :wink:

There used to be an expenses/incomes meter on MTS2 once upon a time, actually. Can't remember when it disappeared, though, perhaps someone here has a memory better than mine?

Ya know Free, I think you just like to debate.  :wink:  

But I do get what you're saying. Perfectly valid concept to debate.

Yeah, as an Aussie, I've paid like $350 -

Sims 2 - $80.00
University - $30
Nightlife - $30
OFB - $35
FFS - $30
GLS - $35
Pets - $40
PLUS - 2 of my CDs got scratched so I had to repurchase the damn things.  I've spent enough on this game - I don't need some fucknuckle telling me I gotta give them money for anything.

well one thing that's very important here is that all donations are voluntary, you don't have to give.  And he actually works on the site....but no I don't think it's necessarily right to make it your career, actually it doesn't sit that well with me, but then I look at friends of mine who do site support for a living and they are paid and they work on tons of sites(that usually have outside revenues and can afford them).  So in some way i guess this is the same thing, other than the fact that it's a free site and the money's gotta come from somewhere.  I don't know if the donations that delphy gets actually covers the monthly costs. It would be nice if he were a bit more open about everything.  Such as exactly how much it costs per month AND the amount he gets in donations, etc.......I know he mentions how much things are but it would be nice to see things broken down.

I agree with you on all your points, but I would like to just make a comment in regards to MTS2 and Delphy.  TBH I don't care if he uses the donations that are left over for personal use.....because 1. do the donations actually meet all the costs per month on MTS2?  it's approx $1500/month, and if they do and delphy lives off that, well then so be it cause as 2. he is constantly working on MTS2 to make it better..... now please don't think I'm a delphy lover and kiss his ass, far from it, he doesn't even know i exist and I can care less if he doesn't.  

That said though, I have been having problems with MTS2 for the last 4 months, and even with the new thingy that he installed that was supposed to cut down on the 503 pages, i still get them about 95% of the time and makes me not want to download from there.....but eh *shrugs* I guess that's neither here nor there....

I got the base game for $50 and I pay $30 for every expansion pack that comes out. Do the math. ^_~

See, if it's voluntary, it's actually a donation.  It's like a tip jar, especially at a Starbucks.  You know they get paid over minimum wage, they have excellent benefits, but you decided you wanted a grande white mocha with an extra shot of expresso and a shot of hazelnut and soy milk instead of regular and extra whipped cream, so you feel your favorite barista deserves a little extra reward for that.

Same with the free stuff.  If they made something extra super special that you love, you leave something in their tip jar.  You don't ever have to leave something there, but you can.

If you exchange monies for content, it's a business transaction.  One's technically a bit more legal than the other.