PMBD

One of the creators of my forum. Ad a lot of payd stuff to a house to download...
Now the "owners" of this pay stuff are bulling us... or triying at least...

This is what they said:

Hello this is Flem from Holy Simoly. Your lot has items from our donation pack in it, please remove these items from this lot thanks. Great house by the way.

Flem

and

please remove my objects from your house.
I don´t give permission to include my objects in downlaodable houses.
Only the build objects like windows and doors may be included.

That paysites are illigal isn´t a fact it´s just an opinion of some filesharers who just want to legalize there piracy. It´s just a fact that EA knows about paysites since more than 6 years and didn´t ever had a problem with them. They even work together with some of them and already invited them to the fandays to L.A.


B.tw. this isn´t Malysia it´s Europe and I just have a copyright here on my creations and I will use it if neccessary.
I hope this will not be needed, just let us have respect for the creations and efforts of all community members.

Thanks for understanding
Greetings
Torsten
www.simgedoehns.de

P.S: very nice house, by the way

This is my response:

(i included all the stuff you have in the Home page of the Booti plus the Nouk site letters) and then i add this:

you don´t know my name, were i live... nop nothing so... how are you gonna push this rubiish wanna be laws to me?

Olso, You DO NOT OWN a copy rigth from something that you create to use with the engine of EA

And i wanna say too... we migth be a new forum, so you think we are easily scared...
We are not
I bet you know your stuff is in other places to download for free but just because you can't do ANYTHING agains them you come to bully this new Forum...
Well honney...
Wen you STOP selling your stuff an become a real part of the sims comunitty we will eticly respect the (hopefully soon) ex paid sites.
Have a nice day.
Yunaleska

I'm sorry they're trying to bully you. All they can do is complain though, their threats are empty.

(snorts) Excuses, excuses.  If I was on the EA team, I would spend my days shutting down those paysites while drinking lots of rum-with caffeine mixed into it.

I just want to see what they say to you after they read what EA sent back to Nouk's question.  (cackles)

I know is just... im not so good at not following the rules... but i just get fed off of following stupid and empty lies!

I olso ask  them to try and speak in spanish as Spanish try to speak in english wen enter an english site...
Thi i really don´t care but... what woul they do if i didn't understan english???

Maibe next time i said somethig like... mi no habla ingles xDDD

LOL I would say that. No ingles! LOL

Flem from Holy Simoly is very nice though. They are one of the few non-greedy sites.

you should type your reply in a made up language, see how many translators they go through before they realise its nonsence  :D

La parsa oblique der la francla koala bear et atwa ugliaria, sur molla casta el feta,-  thismakka noosence sa wadonia foockoff.   :D

Ahahah si, yo podría actuar como traductor...lol. Nono, no hablo bien español. Bueno, espero que te dejan en paz...no pueden hacer nada. Es tu propio derecho y ellos están en el lado illegal, no tú.  :lol:

I would reply with "no ingles, love you long time", but I'm pure evil. :twisted:  :lol:

 

OH CRAP! I just spit my tea all over the floor. That was the best laugh I've had all day!

O god can i use that???
hahaha is so good!!! it actually look like something xDDDD



Si que hablas!!!! Holaaaa! xDD Ojala me dejen en paz! los muy cabrones! Thank good i have you backing me up ans cherring me up guys!



I dont love them... they do not deserve my wonderfull and caring love!

I guess not everyone would get that, it's from a war movie. Sorry it was really funny to me though. :)

"Me love you long time" is a pickup line that a Vietnamese prostitute used in the movie Full Metal Jacket. I only liked about the first hour of that movie. After the drill instructor died, I stopped watching.

That was the best made up language sentence I have ever seen.  They would look at the screen with a blank look on their face and say something like this:

"What?......I don't want a bear........nonsense?  Wait-fook off?!  OHH SNAP, U SO DID NOT DU THAT!!!!!1111."

|D

Uups... sorry... didn't know... i haven't seen that movie

Hey it's also in me so horny by 2 live crew, I forgot about that. I knew I had heard it in two different things. It just cracks me up. I use it to prank call my family members. :lol:

LOL @ fookoff

This is my favourite:



:D What kind of crap is that?  In my opinion 2+2=4.  But that's just what I think, personally, so no pressure or anything. :lol:

She's triyiing to bully me under the European comunitty... Yep i will love to see a girl sayin in court:

She put my sims table and beds in her forum... and the judge... your whatthefuck???

And she download my stuff from a very bad people for free!!!

And again...  :shock:

PLEASE!
Like the law didn't have more important things to do....
God!
And a copyrigth? I will love to see how she will go and explain that she´s selling things for a platform that dosen't belong to her...

That is Standardblabla of Tolli (Torsten). It will close your web page let leave is rules of Hostern in Spain? Tolli becomes you denunzieren with Hoster.

I dind´'t understand what you mean... can you explain a bit better for me please

People such as Tolli write the Provider down of your side and let them close. They call you a thief, Provider close your side

WTF!??çWhat can i do?
Shall i write them and explain??
How this site manage to not get that problem??

Reply back saying why did they close it down.
If they reply:
"Because you are doing illegal activity and was reported by *Such and such*"
Put down:
"Well one, the person that sent you the message was DOING the illegal activity, selling pixelated content which BELONGED to a company called EA which explains very clearly that content should be shared freely and not for commercial use,"
Give them the EULA for proof.

Edit: Also the reason why PMBD is up is because A: They live in malaysia and B: privately owned server (Someone please explain it better than me!)

So they will send a warning?

Yunaleska, it will be interesting to see what the reply back saying. Post it here for us, mkay?  :D

If I was you I wouldnt be nasty to them (even though Sherrie's made up language does rock my socks) as you can use this as a chance to explain to them that selling content is wrong and that they should go free... :roll:

I dunno, it could be something along the lines, you may get a warning, you may not.
If that happens and there's no way to agree with the provider of the server then I'd suggest: http://www.fffss.org/, it will find you another server at a very cheap price or freely however see how it goes

Most providers will not close a website without proof of law-breaking. All you'd have to do is explain that the complainers are, in fact, legally in the wrong, and then elaborate to show the ridiculous stalemate we're in - they could still call on the "we reserve to right to terminate any and all services at any time at our sole discretion" clause, but they're far less likely to do that if they can see the ridiculous amount of controversy surrounding the issue.
Given that you're not an expert at legal wordiness in English, I'm sure you could get someone here to write that for you :wink:

Maybe even me if you give me enough rum....

Ahh, that drama with them all the time!  :roll: Before I found that site here I had no clue how much paystuff I already had through Lots and Sims! As we all know exactly about every rule that is on any single item out there!!!!  
Approcing you like that is just rude! :evil: They should better worry about their illegal activities, be it against EA laws and also about running a kinda shady backyard shop not paying taxes and stuff instead of sniffing through the net to locate files.

many Provider close directly, them know not Sims and not the EULA, do not discuss not, know humans as Torsten.

I'm sure this is going to be an unpopular comment.  

All paysites are illegal, but aren't some more illegal than others (so to speak)?  Holy Simoly has contributed lots of extremely high quality free stuff, which has been recolored and downloaded by a ton of simmers.  They have, as far as I recall, only two donation sets.  Contrast that with a nearly all-pay site like Peggy's or a pay-if-you-don't want shit site like TSR.  I don't see antagonizing Holy Simoly.  They're not big players in this paysite fraud, and they provide sizeable benefit to the sims community. If it were me, I'd remove Holy Simoly's stuff from downloadable houses simply out of respect for what they're done for all of us (the case isn't the same with Gedoehns).

double post ignore my low caffeine ass this morning. LOL

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agree

AND of course the ever infamous 80's rap song "Me so Horny" by the
2  Live Crew (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/2/2+live+crew/me+so+horny_20000597.html) (not for the faint of heart.)  :lol:




I had this same argument in an earlier thread and to be honest, I now don't hold the same thought any longer. Paysites are paysites, whether one is more flagrant than the other or more prolific, makes no difference. They all charge you outside of the allowable in the ELUA. It really doesn't matter if someone is nice or not as big, in the end they are making money outside of the allowable. Fraudulent activities happen, whether they be big or small in the eyes of the ELUA, it is all the same. It does not state that if you only have one or two pay files that you are not violating it, violation is violation.

I'm just going to peep in quietly with a small comment, because I try to keep out of the throws.  What is illegal is to have commercial net.  If Holy Simoly keeps proper records that show income and costs, and funds are soley used to maintain the website, then they are in the clear.  That is, in the clear to *offer* product as gift exchange anyway, not control it's travel thereafter by rights.

Actually that is not 100% true. In the ELUA it says you can ask for DONATIONS to maintain a site, it does not say you can SELL items for "DONATION" to maintain a site. That is the fine line that the smaller paysites are operating under.

In other words, if HolySimoly were to take the donation button off of her objects/packs and they were able to be downloaded by anyone, at any time and then placed a donation button asking for site donations on her pages, and then kept records of the site's costs,  this is legal according to the ELUA. Much like some of the free forums/sites do.

Having the actual objects/packs themselves for "pay/donation" is no different than what the big guys do, no matter what the money is being used on.

I realize that the smaller, less affluent sites probably are using the money for site upkeep, but the method of "donation" is illegal according to the ELUA. It is as simple as that.

AND as Denimjo once told me in a thread before I read all the information out here...

(paraphrased) Sometimes the good will go down with the bad if they are walking that same line. If "she" is so nice and kind, talk her into changing her ways or she will go down with the rest of them.

Sadly, she was 100% right. I have heard that Holysimoly is the nicest person out here (I personally have never spoken to her), but she is doing things the illegal way. What can you do if she won't change her methods? <shrugs>

*Laughs so hard at this thread, that she falls off chair an' canna post anythin' sensible*

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*takes a deep breath*

Holy simoly has wonderful items but they ortin't mind us helpin' them wi' bandwidth beyond properly creditin' them. Ser`sly. This be exactly 'ere we shipmates need t' stand firm wi' a keg o' rum in our hands, on accoun' o' 'tis easier t' juggle rum infore o' someone ye dasn't like than someone ye really respect creator wise. We be nay th' illegal party, an' they ortin' ta know that - we`d better educate them - or share rum. Or both. Ya bilge rats!

Lol. I didn't understand one word. FAIL.  :lol:

Anyway...HolySimoly is as illegal as any other paysite...it doesn't matter how many items they have...one is enough to be marked as illegal.

However, in the terms of "greedy", HolySimoly is definately on the better side.


This does not mean, though, that it's okay what they're doing. I don't like HolySimoly. I don't like paysites in general. They are all illegal. Period.

Hey Yunaleska can whe have an link to your forum please i wanna take a peak there ;)

"She love you good. Boom-boom long time!" (http://www.rleeermey.com/sounds/boomboom.wav)

"Well baby, me so horny. Me so horny. Me love you long time."
 (http://www.rleeermey.com/sounds/horney.wav)


and one of Pescados favorite lines:

"I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-f*** you!" (http://www.rleeermey.com/sounds/fmjskull.wav)

K maybe my post wasn't detailed enough, because its point was missed.

Any commercial net via a simsite, no matter how it is obtained, is what is illegal by EA's EULA.  If a website has a donation button with no strings attached, or a payment button in direct/obvious exchange for an item -- if the website is making a commercial profit, they are achieving it with EA's product as the vehicle.

If Holy Simoly, or any site, has record that monies obtained via the website have only been put toward costs, and not for any other purposes, then they are not breaking the EULA.

As a user of bodyshop and/or homecrafter they are permitted distribution, and have the basic right themselves to offer a package discriminately.  They cannot impose others to be discriminate however, in particular those who have received the package (ie Yunalesca, as others have stated, they can't shut you down).

So.. PMBD = Perfectly legal, no new news there.  The server doesn't even need to be in Malaysia.  Holy Simoly = not sure, dunno if they've turned commercial profit, that's EA's business to find out.

Hope that clears my post up... and now I'll go back to light hearted threads, heh.

My forum is this: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Rebelion_Sim there´s no much there jet, is been open only for 4 days... and i all ready have 10 hate mails!!!! xDDD

Y have donate money for free sites, 3 euros in the one that i like, i will be more that happy to donate money to does that don't sell their stuff.

About Hoolly Simolly... i still think even they aren't the big bad... they still having no rigth to ask money for products even if is only to mantain the site... there´s other ways to mantain site´s open.

If you can´t afort broad band or whatever, just upload your stuff to plces like mega share and all does places like the "foreros" do...

Your post was clear, it's just wrong. It doesn't matter if a donation item's revenue is provided to bandwidth and only bandwidth. The item is withheld from the populace unless money is paid. This means that the item is a pay item, and the paysite is actively charging for the pixels. Which makes it bad.

Now, you can put a donation button on a website and that's cool. You can put so many donation linkies on a site you can barely see the content. No problem. You can even make more moneys from donations than you need to clear your costs. You just can't make something with EA's crap and wave it in front of people, then say "Nope, give me money first!"

OLE OLE OLE!

They had no right to do that to you.

I still don`t understand why HolySimoly gained the pirates` favor - or should i say blessing?  I mean, they do the exactly the same things your average paysite does and still is excuse by almost everyone here. If not totally excused, their actions are taken lightly.

Really, they sent a `cease & desist` letter to a fellow pirate and there were members that came forth and patted them on the head. Even if they had ZOMG, WONDERFULLLL content that outshone every other creator in the community - which isn`t the case - they would still be in wrong. HolySimoly is still a paysite that frowns upon fileshares and sends little `cease & desist` (i like this expression!) email.

Why do we back them up?
Because their stuff is shinier?
Because the owners are suave?
BECAUSE THEY ARE A CULT? (!?) I WANT MY WEBCAM NOW.

P.S.:  Even  the self proclaimed neutral Better Sims Bureau seems to glorify this site. It gave the `maximum-est` rating on all topics to HolySimoly. The others hardly got a 4 (out of 5) on 2 topics.

P.S2. I expect this post to be unpopular, but, please, use rubber rocks if you feel the urge to lynch me. :(

Personally, I love Holy Simoly's creations. I am not afraid to admit that. I would donate to them if there weren't so many other free sites that deserve my donations first. Yes, Insim got Holy Simoly's donation. How sad. (Sarcasm!)

I can't speak for others here but until they sent that letter to Yunaleska I'd never heard of them sending out "cease and desist" letters or ever having said anything about their items being shared anywhere before now. So, this is a first for me and it is disappointing.

Indeed, their items are superb quality-wise, but it shouldn't be an excuse to charge for them AND recieve free pass among us.  

Insim got HolySimoly donation ?  :shock:
whaaat?

I totally agree with you, TheVanity. It shouldn't be an excuse for them to get a free pass from us. They won't be getting one from me any longer.

As for the donation:

I gave the donation I was going to give to Holy Simoly to Insim instead.  It's better to support free sites than paysites regardless of how much I love their stuff. :)

The only way I've seen a site do "donation items" in an acceptable fashion is XMSims' way.  You get it a month before everyone else if you donate or are a creator.  If you want it for free, wait a little while and there it is.

I'm guessing the tentativeness toward HolySimoly is due to the quality and craft of their free stuff, of which there is much.  Yes, technically they come in under the paysite category for those 2 'donation' packs (which I purchased literally 10 minutes before I found out about the Booty).  I rationalize - 10 bucks US for lots of stuff I always use, versus whatever Maxis stuffpacks cost, stuff I won't touch with a barge pole.

The cease and desist letter is disheartening, only because it seemed they were staying out of this whole thing.  They can't possibly not know about the Booty - but the Booty's been paid for...I'm rambling, sorry.

I found it interesting that they recently put their 50's fridges up for free after revamping for Seasons - they were formerly part of a donation pack.

I would like to see a list of all sites with traffic and dollar amounts so you would know who needs the donations. I think most people would donate more if they could actually see where money was and was not needed. If every site was free, I don't see how it wouldn't work. You know we aren't going to watch a place close because of bills. It's a lot different when you don't know how much profit someone is getting , or worse when you kind of do know. (like TSR)

I have to say... i don't know if they give up on me... or is just that they'r up to something... 24 hours without any hate or theratring mail... record!!!

Thank you all for your support, i will let you know how it goes ok??

Holy Simoly is way better than most. I'm not really an anti paysite fundamentalist, so I don't feel the need to draw such sharp lines. If all paysites were like Holy Simoly, with 2 small donation sets and oodles of great, free content, this site would never exist.

I was considering donating to them anyway, but the cease and desist letter bothers me a lot. I wish they would stay out of the fray.

Mm, well, people would still want to fileshare since there would still be that exclusivity going on, and some of the site owners would get butthurt about it, even if they only have one or two donation items/sets.  (Like Retail Sims.)

I think their attitude and behaviour has a lot more to do with it than how much money they're raking in, although that is definitely a point of interest.

Well, I use a good P2P prgram called Foldershare, and "own" and moderate a few Yahoo groups, and a few of my yahoo pals have suggested at times, starting a Sims 2 group, posting downloads for a month at a time, then rotate them into Foldershare. That way we wouldn't use up all the files storage space at Yahoo groups, and could "recycle" the storage, so to speak. And the previous downloads could come from anyone who also had Foldershare in the group, and had it running. I'm still kicking the idea around, though.

Yunaleska, why won't you just upload your lots to Exchange, giving fully credits to the creators of the cc you used, put the links on your forum and let the bullies deal with EAxis itself?

That's been done frome the begining...
I will NEVER neglecte credis!

I didn't mean to imply that, sorry :oops:, I know you have given them credit. It's just that Exchange is hated by all paysites, even more now that the meshes go with the objects and there's nothing they can do to stop that. There's a part in me that would love to see them trying to convince Eaxis to delete your lots from their database. :lol: