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http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims3-materials-miscellaneous/title/Solid%20Misc%20Gold%20Tone/id/906358/ (http://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims3-materials-miscellaneous/title/Solid%20Misc%20Gold%20Tone/id/906358/)

Um. Lolwat. DOT is a beautiful genius artist.

This goes beyond their usual level of idiocy. I can't even describe how pathetic this is.

We are already talking about this in the Ugly Paysite creation thread.

Oh. My bad then. I hadn't seen that thread.  :-[

missmudkip - I should have mentioned in the Sims3 forum that I learned of this at PMBD, so sorry about any confusion I caused.  I do appreciate you spreading the word about this!

I think this might deserve a thread of its own. The other thread is about ugly paysite creations. Since this is just a color, it's not really ugly, and it's sure as hell not a creation. It's a TSR Atrocity, really. Just beyond anything I thought even they would do, and I thought they couldn't surprise me any more.

Is anyone else surprised that it's not pink, btw? :P

I'm waiting for her to do a hair mesh that only comes in pink, you can't recolor it. That way you can make DOT sims.

This was priceless for me, I haven't LOL Whut! since someone uploaded the pigtails with the gaps in the mesh. Loved Delphy's response, giving the hex value to make your own.

Apparently the uproar accomplished something.
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f114/dusdeedawn/DOUCHE.jpg)
I'd bet $37.45 that if people hadn't complained, it would still be pay. Faulty submission system? Yeah, like the whole fucking site.

Priceless! Way to run a site Thomass!  :P

Hey, he just pointed out something wrong with their site. Wow.

But really, blame it on the submission system? How could it be the systems fault?

And yep dee, had no one said anything, it would still be pay. But that was being talked about on several sites, here, GOS, MATY may have had something about it, and it was talked about in CatofWar's thread on the BBS.

I'd imagine that many of the TSRtards who downloaded the solid color pattern are having so much fun with it today. Some may even be starting a collection.

TSR: Ownin' yur Colorz!

Hehe, DOT made a comment on that "pattern":

Free speech fail and overreaction to dissent.

TSSR, anyone?

Also:
One of ours?

I would not be surprised if that was someone from the BBS. A lot of the comments that were deleted from there were people who posted in CatofWar's thread on the BBS.

OFFS Thomass and Dot! Why can't you just admit for once that you made a stupid mistake and appologize like normal people, instead of trying to give everyone some lame excuse as to how a solid color magically appeared in the pay section. We all know that you are both greedy bastards and thought you'd get paid for doing absolutely nothing, but if you had owned up to it, then people might have given you a little more slack.
Seriously, what kind of response did you expect?

Well hell, I am going to go to TSR and get paid too then.  And I will make MOAR money cause I can do an entire palette of solids.  :D  Screw this meshing bullshit and finding the stinking footprint.  Solid color palette's are soo much easier.  And apparently profitable.

Delphy reposted the RGB values in DOT's comments section. I guess since she is trying to sell EA's solid colors that she still hasn't figured out the " Lamp Law" and how to do " Shapes" for TS3 yet.

You think it was a mistake?  Really?  They have been selling Eaxis recolors for years.  This is the same thing to me.

And, hai guys, look at all these colors (http://www.december.com/html/spec/colorhex.html)!  I can be a millionaire!

If anyone wants some good reading, lewisb posted the link to the thread about this on MTS over in the ugly paysite creation thread, and Delphy has made several posts in that thread.

Heres the link again: http://nene.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=364492&c=1&ht=&page=1&pp=25#startcomments

lol - So he seriously considers a swatch of flood filled orange a "creation"? That's just sad and pathetic. Also, any system that DOT participates in is bound to be faulty. There's just no getting around it.

*needs to know what exactly is wrong with DOT*

I will allow one of the more concise members of PMBD to comment on what is wrong with DOT. I am afraid I could write about a 25 pages paper on what is wrong with DOT- from a psychological, legal, and social perspective.

I was going to ask if Lock had a year or two... :P

But lets put it this way, she is obsessed with lamps, if that tells you anything.

And shape - add shape+ lamps together. We will leave you to figure that one out.

How could I forget shape? And hardware, we can't forget hardware either.   ;)

And finals - can't forget those either.

Well if you could visualize the debate going on in her head it would look like this.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/es6qva.jpg)

I wonder how she got into making patterns in the first place- obviously patterns - especially orange/gold/whatever the fuck - are not shapes. They are a two dimensional flat surface. Maybe it is because of texture.

RFLMAO

Thanks Kenmtl! I needed that. :D

Well, for starters, she's a mean spirited twat who gets off while viewing other people's personal information without the least bit of regard for their privacy. She's even on record as wanting to exact revenge on someone simply because they dared to have the same avatar as her. Then there's the fact that she went to extreme lengths to hide the truth of the matter by fabricating elaborate tutorials which ultimately only she believed. Also (and kind of important), she's a fanatical member of TSR (if not the fanatical member of TSR) which may very well be the greediest, most corrupt site within the sims community. Perhaps scariest of all is how she hides all of this behind a facade of pink fluffiness that she considers cute and adorable. After taking everything else into account, it's anything but. It's just more deception on her part.

I missed that. Is that in any of the screen shots Coconut has, or somewhere else. I would love to read that for me self.

A better question than "what's wrong with DOT?" would be, "what's RIGHT with DOT?" The answer would be much shorter and leave you more time in which to enjoy your day.

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg194/ekimsal/UMBRIDGEdOT.jpg)

The REAL Locke wouldn't have to ask...he would already know  ;)  


to ekimsal: Where did you get the picture of DOTs mother?  ;D

slow edit (see next post): You are right, of course, SoggyFox!

But that lady has a ton more style than DOT.

Thanks a lot, lol. Every time I watch that Harry Potter movie, or read that book, I'm going to think of that. 

Looking at the MTS thread with someone defending TSR without being properly eviscerated (well MTS has to be NICE right?) reminds me of why I basically only post here and don't bother with anywhere else unless it's purely about the technical side of the game. I've seriously had it. If people are so stupid they can't read about the bullcrap TSR and other paysites regularly pull, if on the official site they're so stupid they're willing to defend EA's right to be completely unethical, then let them be stupid. After years of this stuff I just don't want to see it any longer.

Also, did Thomas just claim that someone could accidentally submit a pattern, and it could accidentally be approved, because of some kind of automation in the system? As usual, his explanation is worse than the truth. But Thomas is still the perfect leader for TSR, because the basic requirement for being the community manager or whatever he pretends his job is, is to have no conscience at all.

Actually, if I remember rightly, FAs/SAs bypass the upload approval person.  They pick the date to release and it automatically releases.  They may have changed that, I don't know as I finally wised up (thanks to all of you) and quit TSR for good.

neriana, you may want to put aside your dissatisfaction with MTS for a brief moment to look at Sisaly's shocking expose of the faulty upload system ;)  It explains much, although that chimp looks sober to me.  I would have thought it'd be drunken chimps.

I didn't mean to sound like I was dissatisfied with MTS in particular. I just think the entire Sims community is afflicted with terminal "niceness". Niceness is great for keeping the status quo, and the status quo sucks.

Cute picture on that thread, but it's kind of an insult to monkeys. ;)

Took a look at the MTS thread about this earlier, and saw a pic of the infamous whatever-the-hell it was. Sure wasn't a pattern. Charging for what looks like MS Paint swatches is fuckery. It's not even a nice colour, it's like that horrid MS Paint shade of gold. At least she could have had the courtesy to call it 'Fool's Gold'.

neriana  -  I should have said "dissatisfaction with MTS's attitude towards pro-paysite people" or something more accurate like that.  And yes, poor chimp, definitely an insult to chimps!

Your MTS avatar kitty looks like it has a dapper, curled mustache and goatee.  Never seen that particular face pattern on a cat before.  It's up there with my friend's rather nifty "vampire fanged" cat, has white stripes on her chin.

Yep, that's my kitty. I've had the same avatar there since I discovered MTS2, which was... well, it was before people discovered how to recolor, before Pescado burninated the jumpbug. I remember an early post Delphy made about how much money TSR was making. Now vets are claiming my cat is "geriatric", even though she can pin down our 2-year old kitty with little effort, and people are still shoveling money into TSR and using the "bandwidth" excuse. I feel old. I wish I could grow a long beard.

DOT forbids others from using orange in lots they upload to TSR, that's what "TSRAA:no" means.

Let's make houses, color them totally orange inside and out, and everything in them too.
Use the in game bucketfill, not DOTs bucketfill.
Then upload the orange houses to TSR, and in the text description, say exactly how to replicate the color, using the bucketfill that comes with the game, and that we did not use DOTs version, and thus did not violate her TSRAA:no policy.
I'm tempted to get a TSR account just to do this.

Pattern selector, Misc category, solid color theme
hex code: #D5AB3F

If you do, please take screenies, and we can play "guess how long it takes the house to get stomped by Thoma$".

edit: Could also make orange clothing, orange hair, orange whatever.

I can't believe it's still up. And people thanked her for it.

I'd be willing to make a house if someone else wanted to upload it.

I totally made this today. It's my own personal colour palate that I totally invented on my own. If you want it you can use it but you can't upload it anywhere because it's totally mine and I invented it all by myself.  kthxbye.

(http://i25.tinypic.com/2ujo6jt.jpg)

You forgot to say that it's pay only! ;D Monnie!$$!

I go to that download periodically just to check the comments.  So many very polite comments pointing out the in game issue have been deleted.  What's funny though is that the downloads will slow down during the time a comment about it is up.  Then it gets deleted and suddenly, bam, 200 more downloads. 

If I had Sims 3 I would totally upload an orange lot over there.  Is the thread on the BBS about the bucketfill issue still around?  Someone should point out the TSRAA issue with that download specifically.

You know what's amazing about TSR? Once they delete your comment, they also charge you -50 points. Haha! Princeless! In a kind of nazi way...... :o

Left a comment, couldn't help myself...won't stay up long.

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g46/putti_2006/TSR-Dot.jpg)


I was right it's gone and muffinlove's too...oh Dot you stuck up b****!

I made two comments that were gone in less than 3 hours. Silly TSR

The word is "bitch". You don't have to do that irritating pretend-censor thing here.

For a moment I must've forgotten where I was, won't happen again.

The internet is an interesting place, isn't it?  People upload all sorts of stuff to sites, who in turn make a lot of money off of that free content.  The creators of the content never see a dime.

It's not just the Sims stuff.  Think of sites like Facebook, Youtube, and all of those Google blogs.  Most sites merely sell access to advertisers and are content with the advertising revenue.  Of course, that revenue is big bucks.  Even MTS has ads on just about every page, which probably bring in excess of $100,000 per year.

What makes TSR so different is that not only do they charge for the advertising, but they charge for membership as well -- even though that charge is rather minimal.  It's a trade off of sorts; more members mean more advertising bucks -- charging for membership reduces it.

It is clear that they do not review the content all that closely.  But, then again, neither do sites like MTS -- I mean I have downloaded and had to fix a lot of crazy stuff (inaccessible beds, trees in toilets and the like.)  In fact, it probably is not in their best interest to review this too carefully.  A rejected submission is an unhappy member who is less likely to renew their membership.

SOMEBODY probably had a good laugh at TSR's expense.  It's sort of like the pet rocks which were so popular a few decades ago.  Upload a creation which really is not a creation and see if it is accepted.

Uh, can I express dissatisfaction with MTS in particular? The comments there, at least/especially on "lookalike" sims, are numb, mindless praise no matter the quality of the upload, and from what I've seen, that's the norm. Over on MS3B (http://mysims3blog.blogspot.com) if something sucks, people call it out immediately and the mindless praise is by far in the minority. It's actually quite impressive.

It befuddles me that a site like MTS would let this go. Crit and honestly, when done appropriately, would seriously increase the quality of uploads... and inspire the kind of people who thrive on praise to kick it up a notch. Being able to submit half-ass stuff and get your ego stroked encourages you to submit half-ass stuff, and encourages people who don't have that much real skill too submit even worse stuff just for the halibut.

I didn't revive the thread, he did, so I feel like it was a relevant place to vent...

We DON'T bash free sites here, so stow that bilge. We DON'T bash free creators, either, unless they go pay and then we unleash the hounds of hell. While we may not like what they upload, we at least give them praise for trying and constructive crit on what they can do to improve. MTS also hosts any number of tools and tutes for those looking to learn and they've got some of the best selection of content in the community. Where the fucking hell do you think the pay motherfuckers go to learn their trade? Sure in the HELL isn't TSR, where yes, the FAs DO get paid. They take their silly asses over to MTS, download the tutes and try to milk the rest of the community for the pixels they put up for download, even if it's half-assed or not even a quarter-assed.

I'm not "bashing" MTS; it's a wonderful site. Nor am I advocating "bashing" free creators. I am, however, expressing surprise at the way no one there seems interested in crit, which is good for the community as a whole. I'm reading my post again thinking my phrasing was off, but your ire seems a little extreme ("Where the fucking hell do you think the pay motherfuckers go...?"). I'm also not sure what TSR FAs have to do with anything. I'm well aware that people such as Delphy and Wes are engines for the entire operation.

There's this problem in pretty much any creative community that people... don't concrit. It surprised me that on a site like MTS where the quality is so consistently good and people tend to expect a lot of them that there doesn't seem to be a big culture of "This is good, but if you xyz it'd be even better..." like the person I was quoting said, there seems to be a pervasive "niceness," which tends to translate into mindless praise. And while I'd expect something like that from, say, TSR or Peggy who thrive on drone-y compliments, it was surprising to me as it was the person I quoted that MTS being as forward-moving as it is isn't a place to go for positive AND negative feedback... and "negative" doesn't mean "bashing," it means, "help improving."

Hope that's clearer. Saw Neriana mention it and I had been thinking the same thing, so agreed. You should probably take a deep breath, though.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, your kind of visceral reaction to my comment is probably an example of why people won't crit... yikes... if, "I'd like to express dissatisfaction with something I can't really explain" qualifies as bashing, I wonder how, "Hm, I'm not a big fan of this but it has its strong points..." would go over. >.>

No, I don't need to take a deep breath, I wasn't even mad when I posted that but if you continue to act like a patronizing prat, I will rip you a new asshole so wide that you'll never even need to sit to do your business. It wasn't even aimed at you in particular, so you can pull your horns in. I'd a hell of a lot rather see stuff from people on a free site who at least try than the fuckers at TSR that cut and paste shit, that's for damn sure. And, for your further information, I have always been, and always will be, visceral in my reactions and if you can't handle it, grow a thicker hide and put on your big kid pants, because I'm not changing.

You want to criticize free sites you go to that site specifically and do it. No matter what your opinion of MTS or any other free site is Act - this is not the place to critique them. The sole purpose of this site is to stand up against pay sites and make it clear that what they are doing is wrong and not acceptable. It is acceptable to critique pay sites and pay sites only here. If you don't like something from a free site complain on that site.

The deal with MTS and other free sites is the same as it is with anything else that you get 100% for free. You really lose the right to complain about something if you get it for free. Yes the creator/manufacturer may take your criticism into account, but it really doesn't matter cause you don't pay. Someone hands you a free ice cream cone and you eat it, you really can't come back later claiming you don't like chocolate without looking like an asshole after all. Free sites like MTS don't look at content as something exclusive that only sooper speshul people can do ,since they view content as something everyone can create there will be a certain amount of content that anyone can create such as Sims or lots on a given day. If you don't like it - use the filter key, and don't download it. This is a anti-paysite forum, not an anti freesite forum.

Free site owners DO NOT charge for custom content. Anyone can head over to MTS and download all the game content they want for FREE. Content that has been created by people who view creating for the sims games as a hobby and NOT A FUCKING PROFESSION. If you truly have a problem with free site owners making money off of ad revenue then take it up with them. Don't waste our time.


What really makes TSR so different, idiot, is that the owner and administrators; are known to share the personal information of it's membership, hack into accounts, continue to utilize content creators even after it has been proven that their work is stolen.  Oh yeah, they also create and distribute extremely shady programs.


Your opinion. Not our concern.

I know you think you're being clever, but really, you're not.

Seriously... is that called for at all? I'm not trying to be patronizing; I was trying to clarify what I meant. You just seem to be out for a battle.


You quoted me, so I assumed it was aimed at me. And I'm not saying that at all... that last line really screams that you're fishing for a reaction, but I'm not interested in a fight-- just having an opinion which, for clarification, was agreement with a poster that too much mindless praise is an odd thing at MST. But the person I was agreeing with wasn't vilified, which is a little odd. Also, I'm not sure what I said that indicates, "I can't handle it..." it does come off as bully-ish, but that's your choice. I'm not really going to be losing sleep or anything...


I'm not criticizing MTS (where is this coming from? my wording, I guess). Again, lovely place, best out there, etc. I just found it odd that TS community was so... mindless praise-y. My point was that I'd expect it from a pay site (who need the mindless praise to justify themselves), but it was odd on a site like MST.


It's not that I disagree, but I guess that as a creator I would want to improve myself and crit is a part of that. There's a difference between "OMG DIS SUXORS" and advice on how to improve. Why would one not want their creations to be the best they can be? I dunno, I guess it's odd to me, coming from a writing background, to see that this community is so abject to concrit. No one is being anti-anything... I have no idea how you guys are reading that in what I'm saying.

I'm not interested in a fight, so if anyone feels like taking it up further feel free to PM me, but I will say that I'm a little taken aback at how attacked I was for an opinion of the community that doesn't really relate to the pay-free debate in any strong way. I have to wonder if my post-count was higher if I would have been treated a little nicer. How is flaming someone here for wondering out loud different than flaming someone at TSR for wondering out loud.

This is kind of an odd anomaly in internet sub-cultures I think... this idea that because no money is being made by the artist there is no right to offer opinions. I guess that would explain a lot though... huh. I've been lurking here for a while because there's definitely some unwritten rules you have to learn, but I've gotta say, I've read hundreds of pages of posts and have never seen this kind of outright hostility... especially from Paden, who I'd started to really like based on her posts.

And to think, all I said boiled down to was, "Why is there such a culture of praise in free TS Comms?"

No, even if one of the old timers had said something like that, they'd have had their ass put on the griddle, put onto a plate and covered with syrup and butter and handed to them for it, because it would have proven that they haven't learned a damn thing, not to mention the lack of reading the goddamn FAQ. READ MOAR FAQ!

  It is not about whether or not this is t a valid question,  or debate, however; it has simply being pointed out to you that PMBD is NOT the place to stage this debate. It is a topic perhaps better addressed in the creators forums at MTS or other freesites such as GOS. The free community is the target of enough shit from paysites that this is simply not an issue that is appropriate for PMBD.

   I also think that if you actually looked in the creators feedback forums on MTS and other freesites like BPS and GOS you would find that there is plenty of constructive criticism going on. As a free creator I receive plenty of constructive criticism, and in fact have never had a single thing accepted at MTS. This is also true for many other talented creators who are members of PMBD. You might not see the concrit in the comments section of someone's content upload but they have already been through a series of feedback and concrit from other creators. Concrit is not frowned on in the free community like it is in the pay community where it is simply deleted you may just not be looking in the correct places re: creators forums and feedback communities such as BorkedBacked Womrats on Livejournal.

  This is also not the place to stage an argument over what free site owners do with their advertising money. As long as they are not making one dime off of Sims creation tools in which the programmers explicitly state fileshare friendly or no pay (which pretty much excludes all paysite content which is generally not file share friendly and obviously is pay or could be so at any moment) or one dime off of content created with EA's tools e.g. CAST, Bodyshop, Homecrafter, Sims 2 and 3 Packs (ala TSR and DOT"S pay RGB value orange) than it is none of our business whether or not a  freesite owner that chooses to fund a site with advertising uses the excess funding from their advertising to buy diapers for their kids or make house payments. We don't put the money in their pockets and get our content for free- therefore it is none of our business.

   My suggestion would be to address this issue in the Debate forum at MTS, or the Rant and Rage forum at BPS which are more appropriate forums for this topic of conversation. On this site any criticism of free sims sites is likely to be seen by paysite opponents of the free community like certain members of TSR and used to validate their arguments. You have been told to take this point of view and put it up for debate in a more appropriate forum for the subject matter, and I would suggest that you do so or you will continue to be poked with large sporks by the members of this community.

*wonders when the phorum became a place to whine about MtS as she remembers someone else doing it recently here too*

Seriously, Act, if you have a problem with the way they do things over at MtS, then go bitch at them on *their* site.  I know Pescado is on the back end of a lot of sites, but MtS isn't one of them.

Who the hell are you Act? I don't get what you're trying to do here, really. First you intimate that MTS doesn't really check the stuff that get's uploaded, then you say that the content at MTS is consistently good.

Ah, I know. They turned you down, didn't they? It happens. They're actually pretty strict- and that's from someone who has stuff available there. So, grow up. You're in the wrong place to whine/cry/battle/bitch/whatever about MTS or any other free site.

I don't know, I think there is merit to the idea that on the whole, the Sims community takes and gives critiques... oddly, when compared to other game communities.  I can think of a lot of specific creators who are great at it and have seen some wonderfully polite critiques. 

But we have such an odd culture compared to other gamers, that it's really no surprise to me that things can get a little twisted.  I mean we've talked here before about how odd it is that downloaders will make demands of free modders, and it only stands to reason that some of them, though by no means all or even most, will start to get sensitive to any kind of criticism, no matter how well intentioned.  AS usual, I think it all goes back to how many people play this game that are a part of no other gaming community (perhaps casual games like at kongregate and armor). 

We truly are unique in the land of gamers, as a group.

And I thought, though I may be wrong, that Act was specifically referring to Celebrity Sims when saying that MTS may not vet uploads as well as they could (hey there's always room for improvement).  If I'm wrong on that, then yeah, what mustluvcatz said.  But if I'm not wrong, well that's something that not only could I see being a valid opinion but something that we've talked about here in the past as well (on the rare occasion someone has posted a good celeb sim in the freesite finds thread specifically).

Years ago, I was told personally that the reason why the approval system seems so erratic is because they allow lower quality work from new creators and put those creators in a probation period in which they are expected to improve.  Eventually they will be held to the same standards as the older creators.

Although MtS is a large site, it's still a privately owned site.  It's up to the discretion and taste of the mods on what gets approved.  I know that can be frustrating, but it is how it is.

Well, that's something I never expected to happen because of what I said. Not exactly the kind of thing I'd hoped to inspire ::). I had to look up that post, because it was on fucking August 18th.

Act, seriously what the fuck. And who are you, besides a shit-stirrer? (This post brought to you by the letter "f". I'm not done yet, either.) You took what I said completely out of context and used it to, out of the blue, bash MTS. I am so fucking sick of people whining about MTS's submission system. Put up your pictures somewhere else and use 4shared or something, stop bitching and moaning because the cool kids wouldn't play with you.

I was NOT talking about a "culture of niceness" around mods people make for the game. Constructive criticism is good, whatever, but I also don't see the need to tear apart a free creator's stuff unless it is morally repugnant or it fucks up the game somehow. It's free, it's a hobby, you don't like it just move on. I was very explicitly talking about how people want to gather around the campfire and sing Kumbaya with a bunch of fucking con artists. Perhaps I was not clear enough that I was pissed off at the entire community, not at MTS in particular. In fact, MTS is not nearly as bad as most sites I used to visit in that respect. What the fuck does that have to do with someone's Paris Hilton Sim or whatever?

That makes sense, missangelica, thanks for the information.  Celeb sims have never been my thing to begin with (downloading sims at all for that matter) so it's not something I would have tried to find. 

Act's posts make me think that he/she has never actually read any comments on the MTS downloads.  I see loads of helpful criticism, suggestions, ways to fix, as well as praise all the time.  When Neriana was talking about being tired of the overt niceness, whe was talking about MTS not allowing people to strike back at Chaz for being an asshole and bashing Stefan's lovely sim.  At least, that's how I recall things. 

I don't get it 'cause it's a fake problem, like Andais I read a lot of critics at MTS. Compare the comments there with the Gos ones and you'll see a lot of difference: Gos likes praising a lot and will only notify a serious problem with the upload when there is one. Other forums I won't name ::) love sugar coating and blinking 'thank you' and pink fluffy sigs, I personally cannot stand that but whatever, to everyone it's taste. Who am I to judge? Plus, who cares? Grab the item and flee, make your own criticism with your own mind. Plus again, you quickly develop a keen eye and will be able to judge on a mere pic.

Concerning the non-criticism and sugar coated places, you can draw a general rule to it: the bigger the site is, the more criticism there'll be. It's a simple law of demands & offerings: if there's barely anything on a forum/site you won't have anybody criticizing but if you have like hundreds of stuff posted, a lot of bad comments will pop out when an item is 'Meh' or useless. It's a natural process, not limited to the sims world.

Now you're stating your own opinion in the wrong forum, you're at PMDB, not the Interweb Complaints Desk. Go to the corresponding forums/sites for that: we're simply not here for that. We are anti-paysites, point. It's not that we're being stubborn, it's just that you're out of our goal and even acting against it/are being counter-productive 'cause see the awesome logic: being anti-paysites means pro-freesites. We love freesites and want them to thrive and multiply and when one of them have problems we'll do anything to help. We are the Interweb Freesites Help Desk, not the contrary.

It is not a fake problem.  If you take one look, for instance, at practically ANY of the sims offered for download at that site, not just the celebrities, you can see that it is an issue because most of them are fucking horrible.  It's a whole bunch of issues as to why that is, including some misled guidelines for the category, but part of it is the lack of criticism, and I do feel bad.  Because people fail to respond to wishes for critique because of the atmosphere on there and creators who actually want to try and improve end up seeing the criticism elsewhere after their stuff has been "approved."  I had a discussion with someone in that position just the other day.  "I put everything on the feedback forum."  "I stopped trying on the feedback forum because no one ever listens."

While I agree that this is not the place to discuss it, gently reminding a person of that fact, especially if they are new works better than throwing a shit-fit like a vulgar three-year-old.  Yes, Paden's reactions were out of line, and so are most of yours.  If you can take such minimal points of criticism and throw a fit about them being bashing, then you are a fucking moron.  My god, can some of you annoy the hell out of me at times.

You don't realize such outright hysterical reactions work against what I thought was our collective purpose, showing that paysites are bad and freesites are good?  Such vehement reactions against the most minimal of statements makes us collectively look like idiots?  Makes us look like we're not bringing anything approaching discretion and reason to our actions?  That it makes us look like reactionaries, making our outrage against some of the paysites' shadier actions, and the abyssmal quality of the items some of them charge for, just the same way we appear to approach everything, irrational and overemotional?  If you water down every mistake to shrieking diatribes, then it makes like we have nothing worth saying here?  Ugh, it's utterly disgusting.

That rings a bell too. I know my post was sparked at freesites not allowing people to rip into paysites the way I would prefer. But hell if I remember exactly what I was thinking, except that it was over freesite/paysite stuff and had nothing to do with freesite creations.

And Quinctia, I get goddamn vehement when someone takes something I said out of context in order to bash a freesite. So sorry if anger offends your sensibilities. But I disagree with your entire post, and don't feel like picking it apart bit by bit. Just, everything about it? Yeah, I believe the complete opposite. I will not be "gentle" to people who try to claim that MTS and TSR are comparable. That was the entire point of the post Act quoted for its own agenda, that all this gentility and civility and other garbage is not the way other communities roll when asked to pay for mods by con artists, and that IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.

A troll rolls in here,  takes multiple swings at MtS while soft-peddling TSR. That troll is quickly followed by someone jumping on the band wagon who wants to use the opportunity to "vent" his frustration with MtS. Both are quickly shot down. Now, we are being told we should have been more gentle.


Let me make this absolutely clear, Quinctia, I DON'T CARE how disappointed you are with MtS, and I particularly don't want to read your opinions about a freesite's shortcomings in a thread called "TSR charging for bucketfill".

That's a good point for MTS specifically, and I sort of forgot that when I made my reply.  I know I've seen some really nasty critiques and really nasty responses to polite critiques around the community back in the day when I used to frequent more sims sites (sims 2 only, I never really got online much during Sims 1)  but because of what seem to be solid moderators and whatever other factors, the comment threads at MTS contain a lot of great discussions while modders work out kinks, if they have any to work out.

Wow. Just...wow.

I was staring at that pattern for 10 minutes trying to figure out why in the world that would be a pay item. In all honesty, the creation of a solid color pattern would take less than 60 seconds in Paint. Not even worth paying for something I could just as easily make myself....

Edit: I forgot to mention that the fact that Thomas can't even admit his own stupid mistake in this situation only degrades himself and TSR further. I don't think it would be that hard and a big of deal if he just said, "Opps, I missed that, my bad. Now I'll go correct it."