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Title: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 26, 22:09:59
Its all here (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?p=1466833)

So it seems that downtime was to do with the handover to a new owner. He's only just joined AND get this - isn't a Sims 2 player but in fact an online marketing and web development guy. I call Insim dying very soon. Call me paranoid or a fan of the tinfoil hat but I'm very skeptical of him so far.

(I posted it here as its not paysite related - even if he wants to raise $1,000 to cover server costs - but is an interesting change in the community)

Oh and:

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I'm hoping to complete this transition by around the second week of December 2008 with your help.

Thats about setting up a new donation model and moving to brand new servers :o He wants it done in two weeks. Hello, world economy in meltdown ::)


Title: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 26, 22:34:12
OK, I got this in my email just now after hearing about it, and needless to say, I am PISSED. Read for yourself and see what you think.

Hi there.

Since you are one of our super-moderators at InSIMenator.net or Insimadult.net, I wanted to contact you first and introduce myself. My name is Walt Thiessen, and I have acquired the inSIMenator.net and insimadult.net websites from Kathy and Eric. They contacted me a couple of weeks ago because they needed to relieve themselves of the responsibilities of these sites so they can concentrate more time on other priorities. We reached an agreement, and the sites and server were transferred over to my control this past weekend. I'll be posting an announcement about this change on the sites soon, but I wanted to contact all the super-moderators first.

Eric has already agreed to continue to update his InSIMenator module for at least another year, and Kathy will undoubtedly still be around from time to time, as she will be answering questions for me behind the scenes. So while there has been an important change, it doesn't mean we're losing the two original founders entirely.

I'm hoping you'll stay on as a super-moderator and help me as I take steps to move these forums forward to the next level. I'm not a “gamer,” and I don't know much about The Sims, so I'm counting on you super-moderators to help me. Among other things, I'll be leaning on you heavily to continue to maintain the standards the sites current enjoy. I'll also be leaning on you for recommendations regarding moderator and super-moderator nominations.

I'm an online marketer and website design/host/development guy. My plans for these sites are two-fold. First, I want to  keep them going in the tradition that Kathy and Eric have already established. Second, I want to make them profitable enough that we can add functionality and hardware to handle the increased traffic that the sites have experienced lately and will likely continue to experience when The Sims 3 is released in February.

I want to share with you some of my ideas for the sites and server for your feedback. I'll also appreciate any suggestions you can make to help me with my transition in my new role.
New Server Planned
First and foremost, as soon as I took control of the server I noted that it is quite under-powered compared to what the demands of the website are. This is something I'm planning to change ASAP, probably by the second week of December. Currently, the sites are served on a dual-processor server which I took over from Kathy and Eric. Over the weekend, the heavy demand crushed them to the point that they were largely unavailable. I've put in a load limit to prevent them from crashing, but that's just a temporary fix. In the meantime, during peak periods some users will get messages saying that the server is too busy, asking them to try again later.

I'm planning to acquire an eight-processor server (plus 3-4 times as much RAM as we have right now) which will give us four times the processing power and should eliminate most (hopefully all) of the bottlenecks we've been experiencing particularly in times of high demand.
Insimadult.net Needs A Big Helping Hand
The Insimadult site is barely at break-even point according to Kathy and some months has been subsidized by the InSIMenator site.

Further, when I tried to transfer the advertising links by setting up a new account at Adbrite in my name, they forced me under a new policy structure they have into their “black label” section which is dominated by hard core porn advertisers. This resulted in a short period where some really hard-core ads hit the site on Sunday. As soon as I discovered what had happened, I pulled the ads and replaced them with some Amazon ads for Sims 2 and 3 products. However, such ads are not likely to pull as well as regular advertising, so it's likely that on-site ads at Insimadult are going to produce less revenue than before.

Obviously, this is a bad situation. If revenue was already no more than break-even before I acquired Insimadult, then we can't afford any revenue reductions for Insimadult. So I'm giving serious consideration to a subscription-based membership system of some kind so that we don't have to shut Insimadult down entirely. I'm also in contact with a large ad agency that specializes in advertising placements for adult websites, trying to discover if there are any alternatives we can use that won't hit Insimadult with hard-core porn ads while generating some reasonable ad revenue.

I'm trying to decide between a VOLUNTARY subscription-based membership system and a MANDATORY subscription-based membership system for Insimadult. With either approach, I'd work on creating some incentives for becoming a subscriber. The most obvious one I can think of is to remove advertising from the pages for logged-in subscribers. I'm also open to any other suggestions you can make regarding additional benefits to offer potential subscribers in order to induce them to sign up.

You know the users and members of Insimadult much better than I do,. Can you tell me what you think their reaction to a subscription-based system would be? Should it be voluntary or mandatory? I'm thinking of putting up a poll to ask them how much they'd be willing to pay on a monthly subscription to Insimadult with the following options: $0, $1, $2, $3, $4, $5, $10, $15, $20, and $25 Or More per month. I'd use the poll results to guide the minimum subscription pricing options we'd offer.
InSIMenator.net Needs To Stabilize Donation Model
As I looked at the financial history of InSIMenator.net, I found two things. First, the advertising revenue is consistent, but it's not large enough to finance the site sufficiently. The donation model that the site follows is critical to its success. Further, donation totals from month to month have varied dramatically. This makes management of the site a bit of a financial headache.

Similar to the Insimadult site, I'm thinking about implementing a voluntary donation model here as well. Unlike Insimadult, I'm not contemplating a mandatory subscription model for the InSIMenator site. I want to make it voluntary, which we'll need in order to grow the site. As with Insimadult, I'm thinking about making the subscriber experience advertising-free. Beyond that, I'd welcome from you suggestions about additional incentives and benefits we can offer in order to induce people to become members.

The potential for InSIMenators.net is very great. Over 400,000 people have become site members in the past 3.5 years. That's a sizeable pool, and it seems reasonable to me that we can get at least some of them to become subscribers. If only 1% of that 400,000 became monthly subscribers, it would provide sufficient financing to not only pay for the larger server needs but also to bring in professional developers to add various kinds of functionality to the website over time!
Current Bills Are High Right Now – Donations Are Needed
From the moment I took over the sites, I incurred some instant expense hits that haven't yet been covered by advertising or donation expenses. So far, in addition to the purchase price I paid to Kathy and Eric, I'm more than $750 in the hole in operating costs, and that's going to more than double with the new server acquisition. Plus, the vBulletin licenses for the forum and database are coming due at the end of this month. So I'm going to be putting out a donation drive request, which I'm hoping people will enthusiastically support. We need to raise money fast in order to do the things that need doing.
Polling For User Input On Both Sites
I'm going to put out some polls over the next couple of days to measure user input on a number of things.

First, as I mentioned above, I'm going to poll on the subscription idea to get a sense of how willing users are to support the sites financially on a regular basis.

Second, I'm going to offer a poll about whether they think the sites needs a “face lift.”

Third, I'm going to ask for suggestions about additional features and benefits they would like from the sites.

I'd appreciate it if all super-moderators could encourage people to take these polls. The more input we get, the better.

That's all for now. I'm sure I'll be in touch with you all as we move forward. Feel free to contact me with any input and suggestions you have. Also, I welcome your suggestions as to who should be promoted to moderator or super-moderator positions on an ongoing basis.

Yours Sincerely,

Walt Thiessen

Clipped to get rid of personal info. Thanks for reminding me about that, Jojoba, had totally forgotten to do it in the copy/paste.


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 26, 22:36:24
I posted about this in Sharkbait and waited to see if you would tell us what you heard but...

...omg! :o


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 26, 22:38:36
Wow.... just wow.

It just sounds so slimy, are you sure it's not a joke?  It's unreal.


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 26, 22:41:39
Its all over the InSIM frontpage, with links to threads about donations, who Walt is and revamping the entire site. So I don't think it is - it would explain the blackout at InSIM a few days back.


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Jojoba on 2008 November 26, 22:44:12
Yup am pretty pissed as well. Was unsure when I PMd you whether you knew about it already or not..from the posts at Insim, it seemed Eric and Kathy decided not to give anyone any prewarning. I am too annoyed for words currently

Although, you may want to snip out his address in your post Paden.


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 26, 22:48:58
Its sounds weird

First you start out saying that the site doesn't even get enough money currently.
Then you suggest to buy a server that is 3 times as expensive, and make giant upgrades that cost alot of money.
Then make suggestions for a subscription system (like at MTS2, not a big deal). Or, maybe make InsimAdult pay.

But in the end, surprise surprise, it won't be enough, so time to make a TSR the second.
He even SOUNDS like Thomas or Steve XD


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Ashbashtus on 2008 November 26, 22:49:44
This is absolutely ridiculous. I can't wait for Paden to give him a piece of her mind though. I don't believe the whole innocent act of not knowing how the community would react to this news. Kathy and Eric had to tell him about the war that has been going on since the beginning. Something smells to me.


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 26, 22:53:44
I don't think this is going to go over well.  They pretty much just oked Mr. Corporate Douchebag to come in and try to milk as much money as he can out of the website and it's members.  Then they waited until everything was done and over with to warn their mods and members, cause, undoubtedly, you'd be all WTF are you thinking?  I don't know what exactly is going to happen with insim now, but my guesses is it's going to be the beginning of the end, and if Walt as clueless as he makes himself out to be then it will probably also be hilarious. 





Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 26, 22:56:29
I want to be a fly on the wall, when the shit hits the fan. I'd actually pay to see Paden rant at him in public. Now that would be money well spent.
He's just started the death toll for Insim and Insim Adult. What a dumbass.


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 26, 22:57:30
If either of the sites turn into something smacking of TSR, I will cut all ties there and only post my stuff at MTS2.
I am very, very disappointed by this news.


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Jojoba on 2008 November 26, 22:59:04
Theres also a thread at GoS about this (http://www.digitalperversion.net/gardenofshadows/index.php?topic=7852.15). Its just riduculous :/ I do not understand how they decided to do it like this. People were not given a prewarning or even the chance to say goodbye - many of the members, regardless whether they are mods or the whatnot, had known Kathy and Eric for years and had built friendships with them. To brush them off like this is just insulting. To further give the site to someone who sees it as a business and investment and not interested in the community/sims in general is just destroying the site in itself.


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Requip on 2008 November 26, 23:00:03
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Second, I want to make them profitable enough


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The potential for InSIMenators.net is very great. Over 400,000 people have become site members in the past 3.5 years. That's a sizeable pool, and it seems reasonable to me that we can get at least some of them to become subscribers.



I got no further than reading up to this part. He really sounds like ThomASS! Let him try this...and watch it become a ghost town.  :D


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 26, 23:01:09
I find it very hard to believe that Kathy and Eric wouldn't add some sort of no-going-pay clause to the sale, but I don't know either of them so  can only imagine what went on there. If they've had enough of the site that's fine, it can't be easy keeping it up, but this is appaling.

Paden, if he really wants to know how the community would react, I suggest linking to this thread. It's gonna explode nice and proper.


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 26, 23:02:50
Its lulzy that he says he doesn't want mandatory subscriptions at InSIM in response to Paden, but he's alright with doing it at InSIMAdult?! ???


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 26, 23:12:02
Sadly, I suspect that letter is spelling out the end of Insim.  This guy is incredibly stupid.


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 26, 23:18:54
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I'm an online marketer and website design/host/development guy. My plans for these sites are two-fold. First, I want to  keep them going in the tradition that Kathy and Eric have already established. Second, I want to make them profitable enough that we can add functionality and hardware to handle the increased traffic that the sites have experienced lately and will likely continue to experience when The Sims 3 is released in February.

You do not buy a website without knowing exactly what you're getting and what it's potential is. So either he's a complete idiot who bought something sight unseen or he was informed as to exactly what he was getting, was informed about the whole pay/free debate, and was assured that there was potential for a profit to be made of this site and within the Sims 2 community. I wonder where that information came from? Who would know all about InSim/InSimadult and it potential. If this is for real and it appears it is, it was properly researched and evaluated and planned in advance. I hope they made a few bucks of this.  That's the only answer that makes sense to me. Or this is a complete debacle for our amusement.



Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Souvenirs on 2008 November 26, 23:19:52
When I saw his post and the subscription poll, my jaw dropped.  And he's thinking of making subscriptions mandatory for InSIM adult?  WTF?

Where did Kathy and Eric get this guy?  If it were my site, I'd talk to the moderators I knew best and see if anyone could take it, not hand it off to some guy who looks like he's trying to make money off of it.  Again, WTF?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: LadyDea on 2008 November 26, 23:34:44
This is unbelievable. Is it April Fools and I just didn't notice?

Insim's ship is sunk, or at least, will soon be.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: dietofworms on 2008 November 26, 23:42:51
Are we sure this isn't Thomas setting up another branch of his cult?

Even if this Walt guy is really the one taking over, it just smells to high heaven of eau de TSR. 

I don't know much about Insim, stopped going there a long time ago,so I don't care personally that it's going to go belly up.   ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BoogerNabbingCrust on 2008 November 26, 23:57:31
I guess the Insimenator will be sent to the booty. >:(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 26, 23:59:56
No I don't think so, Insim itself he claims to be a voluntary sub, but the sister site, well that is another story all together.a


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: LadyDea on 2008 November 27, 00:12:19
I'm biting my tongue at mentioning "Walt"'s plans (and thusly ending my three year mission of silence at Insim) about InSimAdult there. I breezed through the announcement, but I didn't see any mention for ISA and I didn't want to be the one to mention PMBD at InSim as I don't know about their policies. The "stop panicking, I R devil's advocate, it's only voluntary donation" thing was kinda getting on my nerves.

Gah, I've been hanging around MATY too much. Moar fight is not appropriate for everywhere. *slaps self*


Title: Re: How's THIS for some shit?!?!
Post by: Yarp on 2008 November 27, 00:14:36
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I'm an online marketer and website design/host/development guy. My plans for these sites are two-fold. First, I want to  keep them going in the tradition that Kathy and Eric have already established. Second, I want to make them profitable enough that we can add functionality and hardware to handle the increased traffic that the sites have experienced lately and will likely continue to experience when The Sims 3 is released in February.

You do not buy a website without knowing exactly what you're getting and what it's potential is. So either he's a complete idiot who bought something sight unseen or he was informed as to exactly what he was getting, was informed about the whole pay/free debate, and was assured that there was potential for a profit to be made of this site and within the Sims 2 community. I wonder where that information came from? Who would know all about InSim/InSimadult and it potential. If this is for real and it appears it is, it was properly researched and evaluated and planned in advance. I hope they made a few bucks of this.  That's the only answer that makes sense to me. Or this is a complete debacle for our amusement.



My guess is that it wasn't properly researched. Kathy has stated on the site that they end up paying. Everyone who owns a forum will tell you that member numbers mean dick when it comes down to it. Many people sign up, grab what they want and never return. Others may pop in every once in a while to make sure their username isn't removed. Most of the active members are kids so getting money from them is not an option. The others that have posted state openly that they do not have the means to offer 'anything but their support'.

As far as subscriptions go the guy had better look around at what he has to offer. While TSR has some decent creators to at least bring people in most of the creators on InSIM are new and not that talented when it comes to creating. a lot of the creators who did offer decent CC have retired or moved on for the most part. You can't expect half a dozen talented people to create enough to make the site worth paying for. From what I can see the majority of the members came for ONE thing: InSimenator. I am not saying there are no decent creators, by the way. I just don't think there are enough making new meshes to be worth paying a subscription for.

I think that if the guy makes InSIMadult pay he will lose the only creators worth going there for. This whole ordeal is a shame because InSIM was a decent place. I'm not giving up on it yet. It depends on what he does with it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 00:18:37
I find it very hard to believe that Kathy and Eric wouldn't add some sort of no-going-pay clause to the sale, but I don't know either of them so  can only imagine what went on there.

Kathy has long since banned discussion of PMBD, or any links to it - so colour me unsurprised that there is no clause.  I have no doubt that as an online marketing guy, Insim will be soaked in ads and slapped onto the screen dripping.  I don't think his cunning plan will work though.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Yarp on 2008 November 27, 00:26:53
Kathy does allow links to it in the WCIF thread. I think there is ONE thread to discuss the paysite debate too. But yeah, for the most part it's off limits. Personally I think the site is already dripping with ads. I hate going there without being signed in. The ads are in the threads as well as all around it. I can't imagine where else he'd be able to squeeze the ads in.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 27, 00:28:40
Well that surely sucks. I recommend everyone download everything they might want from the site post haste. With Marvine gone, there's just a handful of good creators there, and those might not be happy about going pay. Warlokk won't, I don't think BlooM, Enayla or Gothplague will either.

Sounds like everything's going down in flames there pretty soon.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BoogerNabbingCrust on 2008 November 27, 00:36:58
 >:( I do hope they do not go pay. It's a sad day indeed. >:(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 00:45:24
Kathy does allow links to it in the WCIF thread. I think there is ONE thread to discuss the paysite debate too.

Last I read, it was banned - which is when I promptly stopped advertising my site there, deleted my update thread and stopped doing anything there but thanking people for downloads.  She went and changed that later - it was no PMBD for a while.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 27, 00:49:00
Delphy PWNS Walt:
In case it disappears:

Quote from: Delphy
Hey Walt,

Since you've admitted to not being a technical guy I really don't expect you to understand this - but be aware that:

1) You've just taken over a new site. I seriously recommend stabilising things before spending money on a new server.

2) Before spending money you should always look at actually optimising what you have! Heck, you complain that vBulletin is "older" forum software (which is completely untrue, but hey, you said you weren't technical...)... yet MTS2 runs 3.0.7 which is even older... yet we have features that are only just now beginning to show up in the 3.8.x versions. In addition, becuase we (aka I) have the technical knowledge, we can optimise the servers to be very very fast but still push some 20TB a month in bandwidth with 2-3k members online.

One of the things that any self-respecting server administrator knows is that just throwing more powerful hardware at the problem does not make it go away!. I mean, seriously, an 8 core machine with 3-4 times as much ram? That, I'm afraid, is a mistake.

You can get much better speed ups from simply having less powerful servers but more than one and actually configuring things properly! It's what all the big sites do - and frankly I think that your single-server upgrade is only going to help for a while especially when you think about lack of bandwidth aggregation and having to pay more for extra bandwidth than you would have if you just had multiple servers. I come from a site where I have 6 servers, all seperated in task, and none of them more powerful than a dual core with only 1 having 4gb ram. So, yeah, from a technical standpoint, your server upgrade plans really don't work in the long run.

If you really want this site to survive then you need to rethink how you go about this particular task.

3) No offense, but all these "polls" and stuff asking for peoples input right when you start really... I dunno, it doesn't sound right. What you should have done was to lay low for a while, talk to your staff and get their input on the donation problems, how to improve things, etc.

A rule of thumb in running a site like this: Ask your staff before you do ANYTHING - especially when you make major changes like this. You failed to do this and instead starting posting announcements and so on - which I can understand, I really do - I just think it was too early and too soon and likely to make a lot more people unhappy.

Stabilise your donation plan internally - get suggestions from your staff and only then actually announce where the site is going. After all, it may be a community site, but you with your staff run it - ultimately you saw where it's going.

Oh and my last question:

4) How much would it cost to buy the domain and servers from you?

I understand how hard it is to run a site like this and I appreciate you wanting to "make your mark" - It's just my opinion that you've perhaps done it the wrong way. With that said, if you want to talk about servers, coding, etc, or even about the sale price for the site and domain, let me know.


Regards,
Delphy


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 27, 00:50:06
Love this

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Oh and my last question:

4) How much would it cost to buy the domain and servers from you?

Regards,
Delphy


ETA: DOI!!!!  Ninja'd by Nouk


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 27, 00:51:51
And yes he is serious :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 27, 00:52:06
Say what you will about Delphy, the man has his faults, but that reply is made of win  ;D

I've been reading at Insim a bit and I'm alittle disappointed about how... giddy people seem over there. They're either welcoming uncle Walt or mourning the passing of Kathy and Eric. Not a word about these new plans and polls and what have you. Or haven't I read far enough? I'm worried either way.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 00:56:14
Quote from: Delphy
4) How much would it cost to buy the domain and servers from you?

Delphy rules.  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 01:01:16
I think I've made clear that I do not like it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: whiterider on 2008 November 27, 01:51:33
I wanna see him capitalise on InSim's biggest (only?) asset. Make the InSim pay! Doooo ittt! I are fan of slapstick comedy!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BoogerNabbingCrust on 2008 November 27, 01:52:08
Yes you have Paden, i myself am worried as well. >:(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2008 November 27, 01:57:16
Delphy purchasing InSim and taking over would bring joy, sunshine, peaches and orgasms to the entire sims 2 community.   Merging of the two largest completely FREE sims sites = check mate.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 27, 01:58:40
As I said in the thread over there, I think that this has been handled totally wrong.  I wont repeat what I've said there for brevity, but I think it's very disrespectful to the staff there that thier first indication was the email.  Kathy and Eric obviously have been going through some stressful times, but I can say from experience it's way better to get your staff involved with how the site runs and the direction it's going in as well as the technical details (even if nobody understands, they still care! Heck, I spout off stuff about PHP and mySQL to the MTS2 staff and even if they don't understand totally, at least I'm communicating what *I* find interesting to them - which all goes to making the site better).  I just think that this would have been easier and less frightening a move if it was more planned... but I guess hindsight is a perfect science, so we shall see.

I *am* serious about my 4th point.  Pretty much my first reaction when I finished reading was "Hrm, I wonder how much it'd cost?".  Heck, with some decent servers (plural), a good split setup and a day or so of memcached work, the "server busy" stuff would be pretty much eliminated and it'd probably end up cheaper and faster than his "8-core 4-8gb ram" server plans.

But oh well, maybe in a day or two I'll email him and ask him how much. :)

Even if I *did* own InSim, I'd just do the server administration and appoint a few admins to do the day to day running of things and basically just make it business as usual - except possibly changing the ads but thats fairly minor. Everything else?  No real need to change it unless people want it changed.

Regards
Delphy



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 27, 02:01:19
I've been reading at Insim a bit and I'm alittle disappointed about how... giddy people seem over there.

That was my reaction also, that whole donation system overhaul is so thinly veiled it would be considered immodest in certain cultures. Honest to God some of those people are worse than the BBS sheeple.

It's a couple of very small steps from "ad free browsing" (pfff! in this day and age of Adblock NoScript et al.)  to " Why am I paying for the same content some one else gets for free, I think some other incentives would be nice" to " you want it you pay for it". I hope he enjoys his ride.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SamanthaS on 2008 November 27, 02:02:54
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But oh well, maybe in a day or two I'll email him and ask him how much. Smiley

Regards
Delphy

Hell, in a day or two he may be ready to pay you to take it off his hands. Which would be awesome.

Also, nixy's post over at GOS in the Insim thread said it all I think...just where are Kathy and Eric and why haven't they said anything at the very least to their (now former) staff? It smells.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 02:03:19
But oh well, maybe in a day or two I'll email him and ask him how much. :)

I'd say unless he's hellbent on having a paysite, he might take you up on that offer.  And you shall be known as the Sims 2 Community baron - with the most real estate ever. :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: RedSeawench on 2008 November 27, 02:05:09
Why did'nt Kathy or Eric at least give the mods a heads up?It sure does'nt take much to shoot off a pm.Personally I think this is pretty low of them it sure shows(in my book anyway) that they have no respect for the people that did all their work for them to keep the forum running smoothly.
I think the majority of the blame for what is going on there now rests on their shoulders.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 02:07:44
Welp, guess I need to look for another site to post stuff on, in addition to MTS2.  I might only be talent at Insim, but I'm kind of shocked right now too.  I wonder how much it would cost to make my own site?

And Delphy, that post of yours was in fact, full of win.

I just can't believe that Eric or Kathy didn't mention it to their staff at least.  I know they've had stress, but sometimes sharing around stuff at least with your staff can help lighten the load.

*sigh*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 27, 02:11:25
.  I wonder how much it would cost to make my own site?

Nothing.  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 02:12:39
Shiiiiit, this means he's gonna own Boardwalk and Park Place if Walt sells, doesn't it? Oh well, I still own Marvin Gardens! Yeah, this is still serious shit, a lot of us feel betrayed that we worked there and were considered friends and all of a sudden, the people who we called friends were just... gone. Poof. Vanished. Not a word of farewell, good-bye, shove it up your ass. Nothing. And I won't work for the place if either section of it goes pay. I won't violate what I believe in.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Markus on 2008 November 27, 02:15:29
All I'm gonna say is: WALT MUST BE DESTROYED! :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SamanthaS on 2008 November 27, 02:16:38
markus, where the hell have you been?  :-*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2008 November 27, 02:17:38
Doesn't InSim already have a subscription system?  I mean.. if it aint broke don't fix it?

http://www.insimenator.net/billspaypal.php?






Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 02:18:45
I had him locked up in Pooki's basement, he only gets out to see sunlight every couple of weeks these days.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BoogerNabbingCrust on 2008 November 27, 02:19:04
Delphy i simply applaud you. ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Markus on 2008 November 27, 02:27:02
I had him locked up in Pooki's basement, he only gets out to see sunlight every couple of weeks these days.
Yep. Pooki accidentally left the door a jar, so I escaped. ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FilthyPriest on 2008 November 27, 02:27:10
Delphy, your the man. As to the issue of Walt the Corporate Cock Riding Tool, if he does go pay, insim will die quickly with all its booty looted by us pirate renegades. All right you bastards drink up, opens barrels of rum to all.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pooki on 2008 November 27, 02:27:36
I had him locked up in Pooki's basement, he only gets out to see sunlight every couple of weeks these days.

Paden! You naughty panther you weren't supposed to let him out yet. You didn't free Snarky yet did you?  Anyway back on topic this so far just strikes me as a paysite in the making and I can't understand why they didn't let the mods know either.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 27, 02:28:37
All I'm gonna say is: WALT MUST BE DESTROYED! :P

That was my first thought too, I might have somewhat alluded to that over on his "ZOMG Welcomez!!! GLOMP" thread.


wassup dude?



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SamanthaS on 2008 November 27, 02:29:10
I had him locked up in Pooki's basement, he only gets out to see sunlight every couple of weeks these days.
Yep. Pooki accidentally left the door a jar, so I escaped. ;)

You should escape more often, you look a little pale.  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 02:29:34
Hmmm *ponders her own site*

And I tried to register at GOS and it doesn't do gmail....does it do yahoo?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: dizzydevil on 2008 November 27, 02:33:38
And I tried to register at GOS and it doesn't do gmail....does it do yahoo?

Yes it does.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FilthyPriest on 2008 November 27, 02:34:05
Yeah, about Kathy and Eric. They have been saying for a long time now that they weren't able to keep up with the site. But to just jump out and hand over this site to a know-nothing tool like walt is a bad insult to everyone who has supported there site in the past.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Markus on 2008 November 27, 02:37:37
You should escape more often, you look a little pale.  ;D

 I was almost blinded by the sunlight when I left Pooki's basement. :P

Actually I've been working, and aside from MSN haven't been hanging around the forums as much. Between this and the BBS fiasco, what a week :o


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 02:45:19
THERE you are! *nabs Markus by the collar and throws him into the basement again, with a computer this time* Get the cobwebs by the furnace this time!

No, none of us were alerted as to this happening. I know that Kathy is pretty ill and needs a break from the stress the site causes her on top of RL stuff, but this way of handling it was just WRONG. You don't sell out and not say good-bye to people who've had your back in the past. And, you sure the fuck don't dive right into a community with spreadsheets and financial shit and wanting money right the fuck NAO!!! ANd the next little bitch that don't know her ass from a teakettle that tells me to calm down over there is gonna get a smack upside the head and told to shut the fuck up! I told KATHY that I would behave, I promised HER that I would, but I made no such agreement with Walt. He can suck my non-existent left nut to make the non-existent right one jealous.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 02:48:15
Ah, there we go - hopefully I can change it to my gmail account later - since I never check my yahoo one.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 02:50:20
Yeah I read that and I was just *flabbergasted* at her tone.  Yes, it -might- not be as bad as it looks, but as Numenor said, it helps build trust if you actually -play- the game the fansite is for.

Investment *snort*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FilthyPriest on 2008 November 27, 02:52:07
THERE you are! *nabs Markus by the collar and throws him into the basement again, with a computer this time* Get the cobwebs by the furnace this time!

No, none of us were alerted as to this happening. I know that Kathy is pretty ill and needs a break from the stress the site causes her on top of RL stuff, but this way of handling it was just WRONG. You don't sell out and not say good-bye to people who've had your back in the past. And, you sure the fuck don't dive right into a community with spreadsheets and financial shit and wanting money right the fuck NAO!!! ANd the next little bitch that don't know her ass from a teakettle that tells me to calm down over there is gonna get a smack upside the head and told to shut the fuck up! I told KATHY that I would behave, I promised HER that I would, but I made no such agreement with Walt. He can suck my non-existent left nut to make the non-existent right one jealous.
Well Paden, don't attack walt yet, if you haven't already. We may need a person on the inside for the possible upcoming struggle for the soul of Insim.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 27, 02:56:30
I am not surprised at what Kathy and Eric did, though I'm saddened by it.

I hope Delphy can buy Insim.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 27, 02:58:32
Delphy purchasing InSim and taking over would bring joy, sunshine, peaches and orgasms to the entire sims 2 community.   Merging of the two largest completely FREE sims sites = check mate.
I think this would be a bad idea, though. Such a move would negatively affect the truck size of the community, especially given that Delphy is not exactly somebody good at staying alive.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 27, 02:59:04
Markus you forgot the mustluvcatz vs BlackDwarf cage match over in the TSR thread.

It's nice to see some of the TS2 "heavies" digging their heels in over there. I hope he and others have the sense to read what they wrote (but I doubt it). And good work there Paden, you da man wit imaginary testes.

On a side not, props to all FOJs for not subjecting us to blinky pink welcome signs


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FilthyPriest on 2008 November 27, 02:59:24
1) I am not surprised at what Kathy and Eric did, though I'm saddened by it.

2) I hope Delphy can buy Insim.

Good points Calisto....ohh I mean neriana. :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 03:00:31
I almost feel sorry for this guy - he doesn't really grasp what he's gotten into, i wager.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 27, 03:00:53
Ahh but Pescado, whoever said I would "take over" if that did happen? :)  (Protip: I wouldn't)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 03:01:53
Like I've been sayin, if InSIM goes pay in any way, shape or form, I'll be walkin out the door and they can be kissin me arse. I'm pissed, sure. No doubt about it. You don't treat your staff like shit unless yer an old shit like Pescado, and that's just expected out of the old fart.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: whiterider on 2008 November 27, 03:02:59
Well Paden, don't attack walt yet, if you haven't already. We may need a person on the inside for the possible upcoming struggle for the soul of Insim.

It is highly unlikely, judging by his attitude so far, that Walt is going to listen to his staff much. If he wants to do things which will imprive InSim, it will be improved; if he wants to do things which will damage it (far more likely), it will be damaged.
Because staff should be consulted before proposals are announced to members.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mustluvcatz on 2008 November 27, 03:04:24
Markus you forgot the mustluvcatz vs BlackDwarf cage match over in the TSR thread.

 :P





.......sorry for the interruption.......


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 27, 03:06:29
Like I've been sayin, if InSIM goes pay in any way, shape or form, I'll be walkin out the door and they can be kissin me arse. I'm pissed, sure. No doubt about it. You don't treat your staff like shit unless yer an old shit like Pescado, and that's just expected out of the old fart.
Actually, treating your staff like shit is important to maintaining order. Otherwise they start getting weird ideas and raised expectations. Consistent abusiveness is the key to any successful relationship. Once they have gotten used to a consistent level and form of abuse, they'll come to expect and even like it that way.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FilthyPriest on 2008 November 27, 03:07:47
Well Paden, don't attack walt yet, if you haven't already. We may need a person on the inside for the possible upcoming struggle for the soul of Insim.

It is highly unlikely, judging by his attitude so far, that Walt is going to listen to his staff much. If he wants to do things which will imprive InSim, it will be improved; if he wants to do things which will damage it (far more likely), it will be damaged.
Because staff should be consulted before proposals are announced to members.
I completely agree with your statement. And to add to it, I would really hate to see insim go down the tube. Its been a great site for me to get downloads for my game. Whatever happens-happens,I just want to see our community excel instead of becoming corporate commercial trash.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 27, 03:09:09
Like I said in the GOS thread, I think that Kathy and Eric may have hoodwinked Walt. Honestly, a site that is forever begging for money is an investment?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 27, 03:11:47
Paden, I am so sorry for you. I know you talked about InSim alot. But this just boils my blood. If InSimAdult because sub based, I will completely remove InSim and InSimadult from my favorites. It is outrageous. In the long run though, I do hope that Delphy will take over the servers, because why should a man that has no knowing of the game run that site? I think this all was a very bad move on Kathy's, Eric's, and Walt's part.

Besides, if he turns InSim/InSimadult into a sub based system, that will ruin all that InSim stood for!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 27, 03:13:54
.....corporate commercial trash..

He did mention about wanting to transition the site with TS3 so that would sort of be in keeping with the theme.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 03:19:21
Like I said, you know what he can be suckin.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 03:24:14
Actually, treating your staff like shit is important to maintaining order. Otherwise they start getting weird ideas and raised expectations. Consistent abusiveness is the key to any successful relationship. Once they have gotten used to a consistent level and form of abuse, they'll come to expect and even like it that way.

Treating your staff like something might be a good idea - no matter what - it should be consistent.  Kathy and Eric don't seem to be consistent at this - but I'm sure that all of your staff rely on your consistent obstreperous jerkery.

Like I said in the GOS thread, I think that Kathy and Eric may have hoodwinked Walt. Honestly, a site that is forever begging for money is an investment?

I agree - it certainly does look like that.  They must have known what he was going to do, and they let him do it cold anyway, while rubbing their hands with glee.  And what better as a final fuck you to the community than Insim the new paysite?

I'm totally going to do this when I quit. :D I'll turn off guestbook moderation before I go, just to really stick it to the sucker I sell to.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FilthyPriest on 2008 November 27, 03:28:48
.....corporate commercial trash..

He did mention about wanting to transition the site with TS3 so that would sort of be in keeping with the theme.
HAHAHAHA! Kenmtl, I agree TS3 is gonna equal trash.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 27, 03:43:27
Like I said in the GOS thread, I think that Kathy and Eric may have hoodwinked Walt. Honestly, a site that is forever begging for money is an investment?

I was thinking that too. This Walt guy obviously had no idea at all what he was getting into. Right now, I do feel sorry for him, because he obviously thought he was buying a real, legitimate investment opportunity. Kathy and Eric really haven't done right by anyone in this.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 03:52:14
Cala, I can't see you selling out to anyone without you being dead or at least haunting the bastard if he did make your site into a paysite.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 03:53:56
Cala, I can't see you selling out to anyone without you being dead or at least haunting the bastard if he did make your site into a paysite.

But there's monies and butthurt community members to be had. :'(  Plus, if I could beat the 2-for-u guestbook fiasco, with the most hate spam ever, this would be a great boon. :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 27, 03:56:04
Like I said in the GOS thread, I think that Kathy and Eric may have hoodwinked Walt. Honestly, a site that is forever begging for money is an investment?

Ya but here's my thing, guys like this are by profession looking for profit and besides that, he writes like someone with a reasonable amount of intelligence, so I'm assuming he's educated. He would of course want to see financial reports, membership info, traffic data, server costs, etc. So if he was hoodwinked by Kathy and Eric either they a: fabricated data or b: were in fact making a profit and led him to believe there was more to be found (paysite). Who knows.

This guy is not a gamer so why buy a fansite? I don't see a benefit. Anywhere. He has every intention of making a profit from this, that shouldn't even be question, I don't think he just always dreamed of being a member of the Sims community. Websites are business, fansites are not. He's a business guy not a fan guy.

So either a: he had enough truthful information given to him to see an actual profit and even more potential profit or b: Kathy and Eric are big fat liars and this poor dolt is a complete idiot.


and for future reference calalily might potentially need to be destroyed

edit: now my first b: makes sense


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 03:58:01
And if they were making a profit, then they were lying anyway, since they were saying the site was in danger of being closed down from lack of fundage.

I like Kathy....it makes me said no matter how its sliced.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 04:10:55
I know what you mean. But, Eric is committed to updating the InSIM for a year...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 27, 04:23:09
IMO, this guy wasn't lied to. His plan is to make money and he believes he can make money with his new business venture. If that includes becoming a paysite, that's what he's going to do.

It's shitty.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: crunk on 2008 November 27, 04:24:36
After reading the threads here, at GOS, and at Insim, I'm really just... sad. Any way you look at it, long time members are going to get burnt. New members and going to be either taken advantage of or turned off completely, and one of the biggest community sites out there is going to in fact become something to point and laugh at - or scream, depending on your temperament.

I really hope that the people who used to run the site made a killing off of selling out. What I don't understand is, if things really were so bad IRL, why they didn't first offer it to someone with a little more invested in the community - either staff members at the site, or someone like Delphy with some experience.

I've had an account at Insim for a couple months, but haven't ever posted and rarely go there. I had gone through some of the boards the other weekend, thinking about getting involved, and I'm glad now that I let my shy side win. I had enough of a time when I realized how shitty T$R is, without getting involved in drama on a new site.

Hopefully the little bastard goes bankrupt.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 04:36:59
Oh, I meant what I said - I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, after all, investment -can- mean more than cold hard cash.  There are other sorts of payoffs - the pride of a job well done, experience with running a large website and the like.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Souvenirs on 2008 November 27, 04:40:45
Like I said in the GOS thread, I think that Kathy and Eric may have hoodwinked Walt. Honestly, a site that is forever begging for money is an investment?
Ya but here's my thing, guys like this are by profession looking for profit and besides that, he writes like someone with a reasonable amount of intelligence, so I'm assuming he's educated. He would of course want to see financial reports, membership info, traffic data, server costs, etc. So if he was hoodwinked by Kathy and Eric either they a: fabricated data or b: were in fact making a profit and led him to believe there was more to be found (paysite). Who knows.
I don't think they were making a profit (at least I hope they weren't), but I can see how a web developer would look at InSIM as a good investment.  Sure, it's in the hole now, but it's also a big site with a big community.  I bet Walt thought it would be a lot easier to "rescue" InSIM than build his own site from scratch.  Of course, he knew little about the srs bsns that is the Sims community. ;) 

I've tried not to think poorly of Kathy and Eric over the past few months, even with the whole Beos fiasco, because I believe they have a son in Iraq among other real life issues that should definitely be more important than a Sims 2 site, but I'm not sure if I can help it now. :-\  Would it have been so hard to make some sort of announcement, at least to the mods?  Urgh.

I agree with crunk--I don't think that InSIM will come out of this for the better, no matter what.  I don't frequent InSIM anymore, but I have a lot of memories of people there helping me when I was a wee n00b downloading game-borking files from the exchange, so I'd definitely be sad to see it go.  It's one of the few big free sites in the community as well; it would be a big loss. :(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 27, 04:51:09
Souvenirs heads up, I slightly edited my post you just quoted but it doesn't really affect your response.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 27, 04:59:47
Oh, I meant what I said - I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, after all, investment -can- mean more than cold hard cash.  There are other sorts of payoffs - the pride of a job well done, experience with running a large website and the like.


That is really, really, really stretching it. It's one thing to think the best of people, but it can be taken too far. He said he wants to make the website more profitable. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a non-gamer to take over a site like Insim unless he thinks he can make money from it.

My opinion of Kathy and Eric wasn't exactly stratospheric before, so I'm not having trouble believing they'd sell to someone like this :P.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 05:05:25
Well, yes I know its highly unlikely - but until he does prove folks right, it doesn't hurt to hope he won't, you know.

I am a tolerant person - less stressful to take the high road, and the disappointments are outweighed by the times I'm right, even if they happen more often.

I also make like a duck and let stuff roll off of me alot.  So, if he does turn it into a paysite, then oh well - my stuff will get yoinked and I won't have anything to do with it.  If he doesn't, then that's fine too.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: wannacracker on 2008 November 27, 05:44:18
Even as someone who is not a member of Insim, this concerns me greatly. I wonder about the details of the transaction--not just how much it was sold for, but more importantly, what was sold. Did "Walt" just buy the site, or also it's content? Does he think that he owns the creations submitted by the two communities? It's pretty presumptuous (among other things), to buy the sites, and immediately threaten to start charging money for content created by members of the community, and posted freely for all to enjoy, with no intention of it being SOLD.  >:( I hope that everyone will have no hassle with removing their creations if it becomes necessary.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 27, 06:01:59
Quote
Even as someone who is not a member of Insim, this concerns me greatly. I wonder about the details of the transaction--not just how much it was sold for, but more importantly, what was sold. Did "Walt" just buy the site, or also it's content? Does he think that he owns the creations submitted by the two communities? It's pretty presumptuous (among other things), to buy the sites, and immediately threaten to start charging money for content created by members of the community, and posted freely for all to enjoy, with no intention of it being SOLD.   I hope that everyone will have no hassle with removing their creations if it becomes necessary.

Yeah, I am already considering taking down everything I uploaded. Better safe than sorry. Most of the pages are pretty old, so I don't think anyone will notice them. If anyone asks me about wanting them again I can always upload them elsewhere and put a link to them in my signature.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Yaardarm Monkey II on 2008 November 27, 06:18:14
Twice a year Kathy & Eric would suddenly appear, do a 'we have no monies, so cough up 750 bucks in 2 weeks or the site is finished'.  And they would get the money.  Then disappear until they asked for more money, been sooo busy, you got 2 weeks...

If they presented the regular monthly donations plus the twice yearly "mystery" amounts raised to this Walt guy, he just might think he can raise a shitload of dough.  After all, he did mention about the number of members being 400,000 or something...plus even 1% of the people donating on a monthy basis = 4,000 people.   

4,000 x  $5 monthly fee = 20,000 bucks a month

THAT.......Imho......is the "investment" Walt is looking at;
an established site, dedicated fans, and all he has to do is convince only ONE PERCENT of those fans to cough up 5 clams a month.

ah yes, here is the quote:

"The potential for InSIMenators.net is very great. Over 400,000 people have become site members in the past 3.5 years.
That's a sizeable pool, and it seems reasonable to me that we can get at least some of them to become subscribers.
If only 1% of that 400,000 became monthly subscribers, it would provide sufficient financing..."


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 27, 06:24:52
Even as someone who is not a member of Insim, this concerns me greatly.

Ditto.  For me it's because a place like insim shouldn't be sold.  I can appreciate the time and effort they put into insim and the forum but insim is a community.  They sold a community.  You have mods, and creators and loyal members and friendships possibly made and held by the forum and frankly there shouldn't be a market for that. 

It's like having a local coffee shop bought out by Starbucks.  So maybe the coffee is the same price, but now instead of using local suppliers they ship in their corporate stuff.  Instead of paying their employees more, it a minimum wage job.  It simply doesn't give back to the community the same way and frankly is a little soleless. 

Who benefits from this?  No one but Kathy and Eric and possibly Walt.  They brought in someone who sells ads and by his own admission just wants to turn a profit.  That is clearly the goal.  Is the how you see the communities you love and respect?  I don't.  They are labors of love.  Not revenue making machines.  I can understand making ends meet, but I don't see it here. Sorry.  I won't feel the same about donating there, and if I was a mod I wouldn't feel the same way about volunteering my time knowing that the new owner doesn't have the passion for the game.

Maybe Kathy and Eric are completely within there right to have done this (their forum and program) just like the owners of that local coffee shop, but it still feel a bit hollow now that it's said and done. 

I hope that he'll cut his losses by selling the forum to Delphy. 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Yaardarm Monkey II on 2008 November 27, 06:30:43
Well, there is nothing on the main page of InsimAdult about a new owner.

Just an month old post asking for money (and nothing about selling the site...remeber Walt said he had been in contact with them for WEEKS about selling the place):

Oct 19, 2008 - 3:15 AM - by Eric 
Hi Everyone,

As everyone knows this site is completely free for everyone, to download, to upload, to socialize. All we ask for are donations to keep the sites running.

While last month we met our server costs, this months bills are due again by the 25th and we are $650 short for the servers alone.

You can donate by making a payment through PayPal here or you can mail in a donation via the information found below in post #2.

Also, we have monthly subscriptions for those who wish to donate on a monthly basis.

For those who missed the announcement, Kathy has also finished upgrading the software on both sites. Some of the features include personal photo albums, customized profiles and more. You can check the thread out here.

Thank you for your support.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Markus on 2008 November 27, 06:33:43
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h49/markusrandall/WALT.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 27, 06:37:23
Maybe it's because I am tired but one of his front teeth looks more yellow in comparison to the others and it's all I can focus on now. 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BoogerNabbingCrust on 2008 November 27, 06:39:20
It's yellow, trust me.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 06:41:51
Must be a replacement tooth, or he missed it with the bleach.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 27, 07:27:58
I'm a bit pissed off, enough so that I won't give him a chance to make people pay for my stuff. Needless to say, I'll be pulling it (but it'll be available elsewhere; I'm not a total asshole).

I find it both disheartening and amusing that Kathy not only went against her word ("I'll never sell the site"), but she sold it to a complete asshat. It's almost laughable. Almost.

I had plans to e-mail Kathy and ask her why, but upon further consideration, I've decided to let her fester in her (and Eric's) own decisions.

Rot on, InSim.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 27, 07:42:12
Well, yes I know its highly unlikely - but until he does prove folks right, it doesn't hurt to hope he won't, you know.

It has nothing to do with "hope" and everything to do with logic and simple truth. The guy said he was making an investment, and what he wants it obvious. Twisting things is twisting things, whether you're trying to make them look prettier or uglier than they really are.

Kathy and Eric did a rotten thing here. It's far worse than selling a neighborhood coffee shop, because the owners of the coffee shop are running a business and they unquestionably own it and have the right to sell it. Also, I can't imagine any business owners not informing their employees that they'd be working for someone else soon. Just how much money did Kathy and Eric make in those donation drives, anyway? And just how much time does it take to write a couple sentences about where the hell you are, on a forum you own, in a community where you set yourself up as a leader? (Largely by screaming at people on a semi-regular basis, in Kathy's case.)

I don't know anything about Walt, except that he obviously expected that his ideas for making money with the site wouldn't be greeted with anger and trepidation. He may have been a victim in this.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quinctia on 2008 November 27, 08:07:00
I'm sure many of those 400,000 members are like me.

I have been a member of InSim for years.  I haven't ever posted, let alone donated or any of the like.  I really only ever went there for the InSimenator and Enayla's section.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 08:08:25
He came on like gangbusters, all full of how he's gonna turn it around and make it something that will pay and bring in some money. I don't like people that call a community an investment and use words like revenue, as if the people there can be milked like old Bessie in the milking barn. I don't moo for no man!!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 27, 08:19:16
Ah, there we go - hopefully I can change it to my gmail account later - since I never check my yahoo one.

You can't - due to the spambots using it a while back Ligen banned all new users from using gmail to set up new accounts. You could try asking her about changing it now you've signed up, but I wouldn't think it would be possible.

And woah, this is why living in a different time zone sucks; personally, if Delphy can get it off this Walt character then its something I would like to see happen. Delphy has more experience and know-how about running a site and running a sims 2 site specifically.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 27, 08:34:56
I hear you Anyerfillag. You in Europe too? This thread sure went splode when I was sleeping. I'm glad  didn't miss Delphy's reply.

I'm going to give this Walt character the benefit of the doubt. He obviously hasn't got a clue about this community and the hive-mind stances toward pay content. It's a little silly buying something you don't fully understand, but remember that we're on the inside, looking at the inside, while this Walt is clearly an outsider. It's possible he doesn't know that there's anything wrong with selling Sims 2 content. TSR does it and they appear very fluffy, friendly and successful to the casual observer.

Still, has anyone tried to inform him that selling content, or asking for donations to access said content, is illegal? As a bussinessman, I'd think he would like to know that.

I've been meaning to ask this: we know that selling the actual content, the .packaga files, is illegal. But if you charge people to register on a download forum or site, aren't you selling them the right to use the site as opposed to the actual package files? I know it does't make any difference practically, but would that logic hold in court, so to speak?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 27, 08:38:42
You can't - due to the spambots using it a while back Ligen banned all new users from using gmail to set up new accounts. You could try asking her about changing it now you've signed up, but I wouldn't think it would be possible.
Actually, you can. Such email addresses are not permitted for use when registering (email is not even checked!), because spammers are both stupid and scrupulously honest in this regard. Besides, I'm not certain the stupid email thing even works and have no means of testing it.

I've been meaning to ask this: we know that selling the actual content, the .packaga files, is illegal. But if you charge people to register on a download forum or site, aren't you selling them the right to use the site as opposed to the actual package files? I know it does't make any difference practically, but would that logic hold in court, so to speak?
There's plenty of weasel-logic involved. None of it appears to be NECESSARY because EAxis does nothing. Whether the logic will hold up in court is similarly irrelevant, because it never WILL go to court. Our view is simple: If you have to pay to get it, it's a paysite.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 09:26:46
and for future reference calalily might potentially need to be destroyed

Pescado had it covered months ago.  :D

Yeah, I am already considering taking down everything I uploaded. Better safe than sorry. Most of the pages are pretty old, so I don't think anyone will notice them. If anyone asks me about wanting them again I can always upload them elsewhere and put a link to them in my signature.

Noukie has a community creations section now. :)

I don't know what school of management he goes to, but his lack of reaction is deeply stupid - he's pissing people off and leaving them unsure. 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: deelink on 2008 November 27, 10:40:24
I just checked my favourites and realised I don't even have Insimenator in there. Goes to show just how often I go there, and I am a member.
Ran over there and saw this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/deelink/The%20Sims%202/insim.jpg)
If it's too small, click to zoom or  go here (http://www.insimenator.net/billspaypal.php)

Look at all the methods to pay, at all the obscene amounts, and all with little yellow "subscribe!" signs underneath. Overkill much? Desperate much? What are your real intentions Walt? To revamp the site and make it More Awesome? Without telling your "donators" and "subscribers" what it is? At least TSR had a model, and at least the subscribers knew what they were getting into. Urgh, I just vomited a little.
I don't understand this guy's intention, it smells like he is just trying to make a quick buck. And it stinks.




Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 27, 10:54:25
It reeks to high heaven. For all we know he'll rake in the donations for a couple of months, let the servers explode and walk away a richer man. Or even better, take the donation money, sell the site to Delphy and leave him with a big steaming mess while uncle Walt laughs all the way to the bank. I'm not saying he's going to. I'm saying we know fuck-all about this dude. It could be a con, for fuck's sake.

It's insane. I heard this news yesterday and this happened a couple hours later? What is he playing at? Half the community is still going "Wait, what?" I imagine the other half hasn't even heard about it yet.

It's about time I start grabbing everything I can from Insim Adult. Never thought I'd say that, by the way.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 27, 11:12:10
I hear you Anyerfillag. You in Europe too? This thread sure went splode when I was sleeping. I'm glad didn't miss Delphy's reply.

I'm in the UK. Its weird when something like this happens, nothing is said or done whilst I'm here yet the next morning I come back and everything has happened whilst I'm asleep :D

Actually, you can. Such email addresses are not permitted for use when registering (email is not even checked!), because spammers are both stupid and scrupulously honest in this regard. Besides, I'm not certain the stupid email thing even works and have no means of testing it.

Ah my bad, didn't know that! Ignore what I said SoggyFox!

And geez, that smells like the beginnings of a paysite! $100?! He onviously doesn't give a shit about the world economy meltdown then ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 27, 11:15:51
None of it looks good.  If it even looks like going pay I don't understand why Delphy has to pay the guy a dime.  The patrons, mods and creators owe no loyalty to this guy.  The creators are free to choose where they upload. Mod the sims has a site already set up for anyone from insimadult that would want to upload there.  The only thing that wouldn't be able to be negotiated a new home is the insimenator itself.  I know to go about it this way is disrespectful, but hell I don't think respect for anyone came into it when the site was sold.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 11:36:52
None of it looks good.  If it even looks like going pay I don't understand why Delphy has to pay the guy a dime.

Walt bought the site as an investment - if it's money he wants, Delphy will buy it.

Synaptic Sim reveals they've had the site up for sale for a while (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=100055&page=6)

Also, their selling points make me wonder why they're constantly threatening closure with the constant donation drive:

Hosting $500 per month, ad and other revenue per month $3200 per month - found from Synaptic's link here (http://www.dealasite.com/buy-sell-website-12642.html)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 27, 11:48:44
This just gets worse and worse :o


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 27, 11:53:52
In case it goes off the site:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/cosmic_charly/10b89087.jpg)

Insim information according to http://www.dealasite.com. Have Kathy and Eric been lying about needing donation this whole time?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 27, 11:56:36
Pfeh. This is entirely shady, I say. Not to mention there is absolutely no reason why creators should remain there after the site is sold, given that they will not be receiving any of the profits, so all they're doing is generating income for some business while getting nothing in return. Either those figures are massively inflated and the true picture is much more grim, or someone is being cheated.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 27, 12:00:34
Interesting page Calalily.

I have to say though - I feel those numbers for page views and visitors are way overexaggered.  32 million pageviews a month?  MTS2 only gets about 40 million right now and we are a hell of a lot bigger.  750,000 unique visitors a month? Err, no... with only 400,000 members plus guests?  And all this in "only" 3.8TB.  Come on, if those figures are to be believed then it should be shifting some 12-15TB a month, not a lowly 3.8!  

It's especially fishy when you use Alexa and compare insimenator.net to other sites like TSR or MTS2:

(http://www.modyourpanties.com/hosting/4089_081127065124insim_tsr_mts2.jpg)

So, yeah, I honestly don't think it actually has those traffic levels or visitors or gets that much ad revenue.  As somebody else said, if they get $3,200 a month in revenue, why did they need to keep having donation drives every few months?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Jojoba on 2008 November 27, 12:07:30
Pfeh. This is entirely shady, I say.

Is it time for the Doom song yet?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 27, 12:10:42
I don't know Delphy. The graphs clarifies some things, but I can't help but feel that even if Kathy and Eric lied on that site and inflated the numbers, anyone buying it would want to verify the numbers. How likely is it that they simply... you know... cheated us instead of Walt, with their never-ending donation drive? :-\

EDIT: apparently you can fill in any number you want on that auction site and it's not verified in any way before it goes online. So they could have been pulling numbers out of their ass for all we know. I don't know about this Walt but with that kind of system in place, I'd be very careful to actually verify everything.
By the way, didn't he mention that Eric and Kathy contacted him? That's bullocks then, isn't it?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 27, 12:18:03
I have to say though - I feel those numbers for page views and visitors are way overexaggered.  32 million pageviews a month?  MTS2 only gets about 40 million right now and we are a hell of a lot bigger.
Every single envelope estimate pegs Insim's size at being about 3-4x the size of MATY. Consider: When I did this estimate for #grah a few minutes back, Insim + ISA was hosting about 340 peasants, with MATY/Phorum at about 100 peasants. They claim "32 million". You say MTS2 is 40M, which, of course, makes the 32M figure bogus. They obviously added an extra zero there, so if we go by "extra zero", it brings it down to 3.2M, which is, again, roughly in line with the figures of being 3-4x the size (ours is about 1M).

The inflated 400K usercount is similarly estimated: MATY has about 5-6K users, but we subject them to monthly DB purges. Going by the "historical" view, the highest user ID is nearly 43K, meaning if we did not expunge all the bloat from the DB on a monthly basis, we'd be up to some 43K members (obviously, we don't give a rat's ass, so BRING OUT YER DEAD!). However, there's a wrinkle to this: MATY explicitly discourages registration and makes doing so completely unnecessary. Given that the standard distribution of users on MATY is about 2:1 guests:members, we can reasonably multiply that 43K figure by 3, assuming all guests were forced to register because you couldn't get anything without being a member. Thus, we get a figure of about 130K. This is, AGAIN, in line with the original 3-4x estimate.

Going with yet another figure, Alexa reports that Insim is around 0.002, as similar to your graph,with MATY, again, at about third to quarter. Again that 3-4x number.

Basically, based on all the information available, Insim is about 3-4x the size of MATY. Every single measurement I've found and computed confirms this figure. And that's just MATY/Phorum. If you graph it against the Booty, the picture gets even more interesting: PMBD is about the same size as Insim and basically follows the same fluctuations. In short, Insim's constant server-costs issues are a product of either woefully inept financial management, embezzlement, or both.
(http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/crapola/alexa.jpg)
So I am convinced that this problem is either gross incompetence, fraud, or both. It is highly likely that everyone, from Kathy & Eric, to Walt, to the donators, have all been cheated.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 27, 12:27:44
I have to say, (I know this is going to come as a shock) that I agree with Pescado in his figures and his maths for the last post.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 27, 12:30:33
Delphy and Pescado agree? Isn't that the 7th seal before the Apocalypse?

Someone is getting cheated alright and I don't think this Walt is the big bad guy here.
This is turning into one of those "Where were you when Insim exploded?" kind of moments.

EDIT: Walt posted some clarifications here (http://www.insimenator.net/forumdisplay.php?f=96).


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: carlydunham on 2008 November 27, 12:33:09
heres a  update



Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Warrenton, VA USA
Posts: 9
   
Clarification About Free Site Access
I want to clarify some key points.

First, I apparently made a mistake in the way that I communicated my intentions for the web site in yesterday's announcements. Let me clarify. This site will continue to offer all content free. No one will be forced to become a contributor in order to share in the community, mods, downloads, etc. on this site. I apologize for the confusion that was created.

Second, I want to thank those who have already donated on the first day of this donation drive. It is already helping. To those who have not yet donated, please consider donating if you can.

Third, the idea of the voluntary subscription plan is NOT to make some of the contents of the site unavailable to free users. Rather, it is intended to be a replacement for the donation drives.

I want to thank those who have given me your warm welcomes. I pledge to you that I will do everything in my power to make sure this web site will thrive.

To those who have expressed concerns or doubts about the viability of this web site in bad economic times, I respectfully disagree. I am a student of history among other things. While we undoubtedly have some rough times ahead economically, we will get through them.

I have studied the Great Depression of the 1930s. One of the most startling facts about that time period is that not all industries went belly up. In fact, some industries thrived. One of those industries was the entertainment industry. Despite the fact that huge numbers of people were out of work, the vast majority (75-80%) of people DID have work and always scrimped and saved to have a radio to listen to or to go to the movies or to engage in other forms of inexpensive entertainment. My parents were children of the Depression. In fact, while my father passed away this past year, my mom is still with us. She is not online and knows nothing about the Internet, but she is helping financially with this website. Why? Because she knows how important entertainment was during the Depression! She grew up on a very poor Kansas farm in the midst of the "dust bowl." She KNOWS from personal experience what it takes to survive in a Depression. She knows that entertainment is the key, that it's imperative to have good entertainment alternatives in order to survive bad times!

That's why she's supporting this web site.

When times are tough, people need to be able to escape for short periods of time. That's what the entertainment industry offered...much needed escapes. Movie theaters were popular. It was the Big Band era, and in places like Harlem ballrooms such as the Savoy, the Roseland Ballroom, and the Apollo Theatre survived and thrived. Night clubs were popular in the cities. In the towns and rural areas, dances and church events and county fairs and community groups were organized to provide entertainment alternatives. Throughout America, people engaged in low-cost and no-cost entertainment of all kinds, and the pattern repeated itself around the world.

The Internet is the modern entertainment realm, and gaming is one very important aspect of that realm. The Sims is one of the most popular computer games in the world. That's why I think this web site, this community, is so worthy of the relatively small amount of investment involved.

Kathy and Eric

A number of unkind things have been said about Kathy and Eric. While I wasn't here during the past few months, I do know from personal contact with them that there were other issues that you don't know about in their lives, issues that go beyond gaming, the web site, the economy, etc. I have little doubt that these personal issues were behind much of the negativity that some of you have reported. I am not at liberty to discuss these issues in detail, nor would I do so if I was at liberty. Privacy is private, and I respect their privacy. But I can tell you this. If you knew what they were going through, those of you who have said such negative things about them would almost certainly want to take back what you said!!!

Those of you who have expressed support and confidence will find that your faith will be rewarded. This site is not going to change its basic good character. It will continue to offer all free content, and I have every confidence that it will continue to be supported as it has always been supported...by the people who love it the most.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Echo on 2008 November 27, 12:34:23
...that I agree with Pescado...

Gasp!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 27, 12:44:26
Jesus Christ!

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THE FUTURE OF THIS SITE IS BRIGHT
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Those of you who have expressed support and confidence will find that your faith will be rewarded.
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We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. ALL HEIL TSR!!!
*not an actual quote*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Elphaba on 2008 November 27, 12:46:16
This is turning into one of those "Where were you when Insim exploded?" kind of moments.
here (http://www.insimenator.net/forumdisplay.php?f=96).

Is it me or is the Sims 2 community going out with a bang lately? Or is a whimper? Or is that too poetical? Or will Elphaba stop asking questions real soon?
...I'll be good

EDIT:
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Those of you who have expressed support and confidence will find that your faith will be rewarded.
My goodness how cultish is that! The truly faithful will be rewarded while those sinning doubters WILL BE THROWN INTO THE PITS OF HELL (also known as... the BBS!!!)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 27, 12:51:26
All that stuff about the Great Depression made me roll my eyes.  He's running a community here not a business steeped in history!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Witchboy on 2008 November 27, 12:57:39
All that stuff about the Great Depression made me roll my eyes.  He's running a community here not a business steeped in history!

Haven't you seen his picture? He looks old enough to have lived through the great depression LOL

Quote from: Elphaba
My goodness how cultish is that! The truly faithful will be rewarded while those sinning doubters WILL BE THROWN INTO THE PITS OF HELL (also known as... the BBS!!!)

ROFLMAO :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: crunk on 2008 November 27, 13:07:58
All that stuff about the Great Depression made me roll my eyes.  He's running a community here not a business steeped in history!

He sounds like a bad infomercial - what a creep.
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That's why she's supporting this web site.

Also, the money numbers floating around, whether inflated by Kathy and Eric or real, obviously lead this guy into thinking that he was going to make a killing. From a business standpoint, I'd guess that he figured that the staff could be replaced if needed, and that the majority of people using the site wouldn't care. If the revenue numbers are real, then I think that the entire community over there has been getting screwed for a long time.

Also, I can haz incoherent morning postings... sorry if this didn't make any sense!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 27, 13:25:29
Additional figures I have rounded up suggest that for a site the size of Insim, monthly ad revenue is on the order of the lower-half of three figures. Not 4, meaning that the publicly listed figures of "$2000" a month are off by about an order of magnitude.

The site has definitely already been sold, the transfer apparently having gone through about a week ago. It seem likely that this Walt person is aware that the advertising figures have been inflated and he knows the real figures, if he's still talking of a shortfall. What this means is presently unclear.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: carlydunham on 2008 November 27, 13:55:03
nice little tantrum walt had


Quote:
Originally Posted by carlymichelle View Post
walt can you understand why so many of us are concerned and upset though we had NO warning whatsoever and IMO that isnt right what we need now is honesty
walts  reply to me
Sure, I understand. What I don't understand is why some people think I can fix the way they left. I can't. No one can. Get over it.


http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=100123&page=2



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 13:59:42
carlydunham, you don't need to quote everything - you can read it without being logged in.

Pfeh. This is entirely shady, I say. Not to mention there is absolutely no reason why creators should remain there after the site is sold, given that they will not be receiving any of the profits, so all they're doing is generating income for some business while getting nothing in return. Either those figures are massively inflated and the true picture is much more grim, or someone is being cheated.

Someone here is being cheated - donators or Walt.  And creators are already pulling out - so download while you can, and while it's free. He mentioned making InsimAdult pay, and Insim having a subscription system for ad free placement - so all of his assurances on Insimenator of "this site will always be free" - that's what he's already said - it will be free, but adult content will be paid.

So, yeah, I honestly don't think it actually has those traffic levels or visitors or gets that much ad revenue.  As somebody else said, if they get $3,200 a month in revenue, why did they need to keep having donation drives every few months?

I don't think that they would - surely that would not be possible for a site like Insim - particularly considering that the site was left to fester and die while Kathy and Eric were off.  

Quote from: Walt
That's why my mom is supporting this web site.


DOOOOOMED! A 12 at the wheel. Fucking hell - his mother  ???


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 27, 14:06:01
I get this feeling he might jump ship sooner rather than later, as I don't think he took into account how pissed off everyone (bar the the extreme sheeples) would be about how this was handled.

Wait - his mum supports the site? Norman Bates anyone :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 27, 14:27:02
Again my immediate reaction when I saw this, "what is he up to"? It doesn't add up to me at all. At least for Kathy and Eric (pulling a profit and deceiving the community or not) they had some sort of personal investment in the whole business. Keeping  2 sites running requires time and effort from someone, so who's that going to be and why would they be willing to do it? This guy has no interest in TS2, he has no connection with anyone in the community and I seriously doubt he will ever develop an interest in it, so there has to be a purely financial motivation.

He must have (truthfully or not) seen what appeared to be a good investment opportunity and grabbed it. Was he mislead? Possibly. His he intent on making a profit of other peoples free given time and effort? Definately. Would he unload it in a minute if that's not the case? Absolutely.

I would suggest that anyone who works over there make it a condition of their staying onboard, that he provides them with a written agreement that the site will never go pay and that it will always remain completely free and accessible to everyone without financial restrictions. Either that or run the site and do all the moderating yourself. It not legally binding in any way, but it will be available to be posted at any time in the future should the need arise.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FilthyPriest on 2008 November 27, 14:32:14
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h49/markusrandall/WALT.jpg)
A Walt sim will soon be available for any one who is interested.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 27, 14:56:30
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THE FUTURE OF THIS SITE IS BRIGHT
I suspect that he may have inadvertantly meant "bright" in the way a Big Fiery Ball Visible From Space is bright.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Darby on 2008 November 27, 15:00:54
Originally Posted by carlymichelle
walt can you understand why so many of us are concerned and upset though we had NO warning whatsoever and IMO that isnt right what we need now is honesty

(Walt's reply)
Sure, I understand. What I don't understand is why some people think I can fix the way they left. I can't. No one can. Get over it.

Wow... Anyone else struck by the 12-ness of that response?  Nice, coming from a supposedly serious adult businessman.  Idiot.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 27, 15:09:45
This guy has no interest in TS2, he has no connection with anyone in the community and I seriously doubt he will ever develop an interest in it, so there has to be a purely financial motivation.

Which is quiet frankly why I would want to leave the site, be it mod or creator.  It's not as if Kathy and Eric decided to have new donation drive/system or put up ads and then they just happen by some profit.  I would be okay with that so long as it was only donations not pay or subscriptions.

It's his intentions, he intends to profit off the site, off the creations, the mods, the fun and friendship of the forum.  Whether he makes it pay or not, he intends to make money off your labors.  That's such a kick in the balls to everyone there.  



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SamanthaS on 2008 November 27, 15:19:31
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It's his intentions, he intends to profit off the site, off the creations, the mods, the fun and friendship of the forum.  Whether he makes it pay or not, he intends to make money off your labors.  That's such a kick in the balls to everyone there. 

The kick in the balls imo is the profit Kathy and Eric seemed to be making with their "DONATE NOW OR WE'LL BE FORCED TO SHUT DOWN IMMEDIATELY!!!!" apparent bullshit. And if it was just bullshit to make the site appear more profitable to whoever bought it that's still disgusting behavior.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 27, 15:25:15
Walt pretty much said that the financial information (probably referring to the info on the auction site) was incorrect. Also, that he refuses to discuss things as complicated as "fay-nanse" with the peasants. (My interpretation)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SamanthaS on 2008 November 27, 15:35:12
Walt pretty much said that the financial information (probably referring to the info on the auction site) was incorrect. Also, that he refuses to discuss things as complicated as "fay-nanse" with the peasants. (My interpretation)

Well, that does make him a dumbass then but it doesn't make Kathy and Eric's behavior any less disgusting. Still, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Darqstar on 2008 November 27, 15:56:54
Walt For Dummies. 
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Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Warrenton, VA USA
Posts: 9
   
Clarification About Free Site Access
I want to clarify some key points.

Watch me backpedal like a mofo!
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First, I apparently made a mistake in the way that I communicated my intentions for the web site in yesterday's announcements. Let me clarify. This site will continue to offer all content free. No one will be forced to become a contributor in order to share in the community, mods, downloads, etc. on this site. I apologize for the confusion that was created.
You heartless bastards! Expecting custom sim stuff to be free, just because that's the LAW.  Damn it, why can't I be TSR? 
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Second, I want to thank those who have already donated on the first day of this donation drive. It is already helping. To those who have not yet donated, please consider donating if you can.
Gave me monies? Give me more.  Haven't gave me monies? Give now, thnxs!
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Third, the idea of the voluntary subscription plan is NOT to make some of the contents of the site unavailable to free users. Rather, it is intended to be a replacement for the donation drives.
Whew! Thank god I thought up this excuse. I just have to hope that everyone is idiotic enough to believe that anyone would expect people to "subscribe" to a site for absolutely no benefits at all!
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I want to thank those who have given me your warm welcomes.
Dance for me, my puppets, DANCE!
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To those who have expressed concerns or doubts about the viability of this web site in bad economic times, I respectfully disagree. I am a student of history among other things. While we undoubtedly have some rough times ahead economically, we will get through them.
I took a history class in High school. Thus, I am an expert you twits.
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I have studied the Great Depression of the 1930s.(Not a direct quote, but sumerized to save space) Blah blah blah, my mother can't use a computer. And, I'm old, BTW.  And even when times are bad, people like to be entertained!
I hope you're buying all my history cred.  Even though what I said is something anyone who watched 10 minutes of A&E knows already.
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That's why she's supporting this web site.
Mom ROXS.  Love ya Mom, now, where did you hide your purse?
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When times are tough, people need to be able to escape for short periods of time. That's what the entertainment industry offered...much needed escapes. Movie theaters were popular. It was the Big Band era, and in places like Harlem ballrooms such as the Savoy, the Roseland Ballroom, and the Apollo Theatre survived and thrived. Night clubs were popular in the cities. In the towns and rural areas, dances and church events and county fairs and community groups were organized to provide entertainment alternatives. Throughout America, people engaged in low-cost and no-cost entertainment of all kinds, and the pattern repeated itself around the world.
Moar Histories!  I'm sure glad I watched The Waltons when I was a kid. 
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The Internet is the modern entertainment realm, and gaming is one very important aspect of that realm. The Sims is one of the most popular computer games in the world. That's why I think this web site, this community, is so worthy of the relatively small amount of investment involved
Please don't bring up that people already have to buy the games, so why would they want to spend more money on stuff to put into the game.  Please don't... I have no answer. 
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A number of unkind things have been said about Kathy and Eric.
Kathy and Eric are my best friends, because I paid for them.  Giving money = friendship.  Just ask my mom!
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Those of you who have expressed support and confidence will find that your faith will be rewarded.
PRAISE JESUS!
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This site is not going to change its basic good character. It will continue to offer all free content, and I have every confidence that it will continue to be supported as it has always been supported...by the people who love it the most.
Cash = Love.  No cash = you hate this site.  Money can buy happiness! Give me money and I'll be happy.!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 27, 16:08:39
 :D That's too funny BlackDwarf!  I can't believe I missed the part about his mom!  OMG is he really 12?  Loser. 

"But my mom says I’m cool"


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Darqstar on 2008 November 27, 16:14:51
:D That's too funny BlackDwarf!  I can't believe I missed the part about his mom!  OMG is he really 12?  Loser. 

"But my mom says I’m cool"

I love my parents too, but I don't use them to validate arguments.  I used to, but then I turned six and that became sooo baby-ish.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 27, 16:24:36
The kick in the balls imo is the profit Kathy and Eric seemed to be making with their "DONATE NOW OR WE'LL BE FORCED TO SHUT DOWN IMMEDIATELY!!!!" apparent bullshit. And if it was just bullshit to make the site appear more profitable to whoever bought it that's still disgusting behavior.
Kathy and Eric have always been infamous for their LOUSY FINANCIAL PLANNING, which is why they tend to resort to last minute histrionics when it comes to donation drives. Over here, we plan these things months in advance, so as not to create a sense of panic or pressure.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 27, 16:26:00
Why was it necessary to go outside the Sims2 community to find a buyer for Insim and it's sister site? Why wasn't Delphy contacted and offered the site? These are questions I would surely love to have answered.
Delpy doesn't play Sims2 either, but he at least has his finger right smack dab on the heart of the Sims2 communities.
This Walt is flying blind. He waltzes into Insim, makes his first colossal blunder with his announcement, and then doesn't get why no one thinks he's God's gift to Insim. Then he makes the crack, "Get over it."
Only Pescado can make those kinds of statements. We expect that from Pescado and would be sorely disappointed if he didn't.
But Walt is not Pescado, not even close. We have Pescado and Delphy to go to for clarification. Walt obviously does not know this. For a business man he neglected to realize, or take into account that Insim is a forum with *gasp* people on it. His people skills are of epic failure proportions.
I will never again donate to Insim. I'm not gonna finance this asshat's vacation property or aid in lining his bank account. I don't care if that's what some of my money goes to do at MTS2 cause Delpy doesn't rub my nose in it. (anyway I don't think it does)
Walt is apparently oblivious to the fact that the staff at Insim is voluntary, they don't get paid for their time and effort. The entire staff should be outraged at his shenanigans.
Walt doesn't play the game, he has no clue as to what draws people to play it. He has no knowledge of the Sims2 communities, so how in hell does he think he's God's gift to Insim or the Sims2 communities in general.

And all I wanted was to see TSR go BOOM.With Walt at the wheel, it's possible Insim will go BOOM before TSR, what a shame that will be.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 27, 16:31:02
*adjusts telescope* So Salty-Walty emerges on the horizon. No need for the harpoon and cannonballs. This guy's going to sink himself.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 27, 16:31:54
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To those who have expressed concerns or doubts about the viability of this web site in bad economic times, I respectfully disagree. I am a student of history among other things. While we undoubtedly have some rough times ahead economically, we will get through them.

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I have studied the Great Depression of the 1930s.(Not a direct quote, but sumerized to save space) Blah blah blah, my mother can't use a computer. And, I'm old, BTW.  And even when times are bad, people like to be entertained!

Yes we'll get through them but right now I am going through hardship and know of others going through the same thing. Heck, I'm having to send money to my parents as my dad's part time job isn't bringing in anything and my mum's wages aren't that great. If I'm doing that, do you fucking think I would send money in for a gaming website?! The world economic is going down the pan and he expects us to fork out money which would better spent on keeping us going through this hardship?

And I couldn’t give a shit if the 1930s were worse – I’m living now not fucking back then. And shove your History high school education up your arse!

He’s a fucking greedy shite and I’m going to stop typing now before I get too fucking pissed off…


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 27, 16:34:57
That whole speech sounded like it calme straight out of an Employee Motivational Speech handbook. Or Cults For Dummies. Take your pick.

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Blahblahgivememoney

--> insert inspirational story here

Blahblahfamilyvaluesblahlovemymom

THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT!

I swear this guy is doing things by the book. Some shitty book about running a successful e-bussiness and dealing with plebes. I'm insulted.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 17:05:20
Why was it necessary to go outside the Sims2 community to find a buyer for Insim and it's sister site? Why wasn't Delphy contacted and offered the site? These are questions I would surely love to have answered.

Cause they wanted to say clearly to the community "Fuck you all".  They took some time and effort to set this up - it wasn't as if they weren't looking for someone to buy it.

Only Pescado can make those kinds of statements. We expect that from Pescado and would be sorely disappointed if he didn't.

I agree - Pescado has earned it with consistency - he provides mods, booty, hosting and help - if that comes with a bit of his persona trolling, at least he didn't fuck anyone over without telling them he is going to do so.

And I couldn't give a shit if the 1930s were worse - I'm living now not fucking back then. And shove your History high school education up your arse!

Actually, the 1930's entertainment booms were about a lot less than entertainment, and a lot more to do with prohibition - it's largely a USian phenomenon.  Not to mention that all the fun to be had was free - my Dad grew up then, and made his own toys, went to dances, and watched sport - not put in a couple of hundreds of investment on a high luxury item like the sims, PC and net access.   ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: scrappysim on 2008 November 27, 17:06:19
His arguments about how people still need to be entertained in bad economic times just doesnt make sense to me.  I agree with that actual statement but if website A is totally free and website B is not then during hard times I go to website A.  During the Depression people still went to the movies and spent a small amount on entertainment, sure, but if all the movie houses on the next block were showing thier movies for free or asking people to help out with the electricity to run the projector if they had any spare change in their pocket (and told the rest not to worry about it ) then thats the block I see my movie on.  

I wonder if Walt knows how huge this community is.  Does he understand the vast Sims 2 community and the unbelivable amount of amazing FREE sims sites that exist or does he believe that he now owns something "unique" and in "demand" within the community?  Insim may be a big site but I, for one, dont use the Insiminator.  I go to the site for the community downloads.  I know that hte majority of the creators that I enjoy will walk away and move their creations elsewhere if this guy doesnt get what the Insim website is all about.  

The mere fact that he has a voluntary subscription payment option with $100 a month shows me that he doesnt get what the community is all about.  He doesnt seem to have done any research about the community he was joining.  Not a smart way to do business.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 27, 17:09:57
$100 just for no-adverts? lol fail lol

Sad thing is, some idiot will actually select this option.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 27, 17:11:39

The mere fact that he has a voluntary subscription payment option with $100 a month shows me that he doesnt get what the community is all about.  He doesnt seem to have done any research about the community he was joining.  Not a smart way to do business.  

He didn't have time to study the ways of business.  He was too busy learning his histories. 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: whiterider on 2008 November 27, 17:18:37
Eheh scrappysim, I'm honestly not sure how he can actually be in the business he says he's in. (Cross-posted from InSim, 'cause PMBD gets moar fun bitchin')



I'm not sure how Walt ended up in this position. Clearly he works for a company, or possibly is a company, which does this kind of thing fairly frequently. How, then, did he fail to double-check the seemingly positive information given to him by owners of a site which, as a little research would have quickly revealed, is clearly struggling financially?

Has he not taken over a forum before? It seems that way, as his handling of the staff and members has been frankly appalling.

How can he possibly be in the business of running websites without even basic knowledge of server technology - I understand that he's no expert, but surely by now he has enough experience with websites to know that optimisation is often far more efficient than spending more cash, even if he needs assistance in actually doing the optimisation.


The WaybackMachine indicates that his site has been up since at least 2002 (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.dirtcheapadvertising.com). A company which takes over other companies and organisations doesn't survive for six years by doing absolutely no prior research into what they acquire, which is the only explanation I can see for how he ended up in a such a pickle.
Is this not his company/site? If it is... huh? I have no idea what could have possibly compelled him to buy InSim.

In fact, does anyone know where exactly we got the Dirt Cheap Advertising link? I missed that bit.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Jojoba on 2008 November 27, 17:31:48
Whiterider, he gave the Dirt Cheap Advertising address in the purely charming email he sent to the moderating staff which Paden posted on page 1(?) of this thread.

I am currently watching the Insim thread with a very blank impression. I am very disappointed and hurt...although it is not a surprise that Kathy and Eric would not be able to keep up with the site, them doing it like this is really shocking. The community there simply does not deserve that treatment. The staff that have kept the site going when the site owners first disappeared off do not deserve all their effort and time to be dissolved by someone like Walt. Its in the support of those members of staff, and the hope that somehow this will be sorted, that I have yet to pull my creations but damn am I really tempted to.

This guy seems so out of his depth and researched this so badly that its almost laughable. Almost.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: whiterider on 2008 November 27, 17:43:07
Ah, thanks, that must have been the removed personal info, as I don't see it in the email.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: dietofworms on 2008 November 27, 17:45:30
I don't wish him luck, but I'll bet he finds a way to make money off of other people's work.  He has a fine model to follow, after all. ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 17:46:35
For the younguns and non-members, here's the post from Insim Adult:

Quote from: Walt
The Firestorm

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I had wanted to post similar messages here today to what I've posted on the main insimenator site, but between replying to private messages and trying to read and reply to posts where possible, that goal is proving to be unrealistic. Like everyone else in America, I have Thanksgiving Day responsibilities I have to attend to today, so this will have to be my last post for today. I'm going to limit my commentary for now, then do more detailed work tomorrow.

I have already rejected the idea I had floated about mandatory subscriptions for insimadult. Clearly, that's not an option now. I NEVER intended any mandatory subscriptions for insimenator. The only reason I even considered it for insimadult is because, contrary to some comments that have been made, insimadult is not carrying its own weight financially.

So all content will continue to be free. The only question now is whether and how the website will survive.

Even before the transfer, insimadult was barely breaking even. After getting bruised by AdBrite and being placed in their Adult advertising category which is full of hard core ads, I had to pull that advertising entirely and replace it with Amazon ads. I didn't expect the Amazon ads to sell much, and they're meeting my expectations, but I needed to put something there temporarily. Even when the AdBrite ads were up, they weren't pulling much income.

Some have claimed that insimadult incurs no costs because it resides on the same server as insimenator. That is not true. Just the monthly bandwidth costs for insimadult are $70-100 a month above what insimenator costs. In fact, given the current server provider we're using and the terms of their contract, it's actually more because they penalize you if you go over your initial allotment...another reason to change servers (and indeed, providers) since there are other providers who merely pass along the additional bandwidth costs without building in extra penalties. Further, the server's processing resources are impacted by the site to at least some degree, so it would be wrong to assume that those impacts have no role and should not be paid for by the site. To the contrary, they should.

I am trying to find an alternative to PayPal for insimadult. Like many of you, I am not comfortable with the way Insimadult gets around PayPal's restrictions. I am looking at one particular solution, but I don't want to discuss it yet, because I don't want to risk yet another firestorm to erupt. There are too many of those going on right now.

More later.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 27, 17:52:09
Why was it necessary to go outside the Sims2 community to find a buyer for Insim and it's sister site? Why wasn't Delphy contacted and offered the site? These are questions I would surely love to have answered.
The reason Delphy was likely not contacted first is because there is a history of bad blood between E/K and Delphy.

I will never again donate to Insim. I'm not gonna finance this asshat's vacation property or aid in lining his bank account. I don't care if that's what some of my money goes to do at MTS2 cause Delpy doesn't rub my nose in it. (anyway I don't think it does)
I'm sure Delphy does, in fact, use overflow funds for personal purposes, but most of us are not in arms about it because Delphy is viewed as a contributing member of the community, so if he skims some voluntary donations off the top, it's not a big deal: He's still one of "us", so to speak. This Walt fellow, however, is NOT a part of the community. He contributes nothing and many see him as a parasite whose goal is simply to suck the blood from it. Already, the SITE DOESN'T WORK, yet it is plastered with ad crap at the bottom.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 27, 17:55:39
Quote from: Walt
The only question now is whether and how the website will survive.


I think the question is how is he going to make money off of it.  Walt is not a charity, he bought the site, for profit, so him playing off like he just wants to make ends meet is BS.  

Quote from: Walt
I am looking at one particular solution, but I don't want to discuss it yet, because I don't want to risk yet another firestorm to erupt. There are too many of those going on right now.


Yeah I don't think those are going to be dying down until the site does as well.  

I'm sure Delphy does, in fact, use overflow funds for personal purposes, but most of us are not in arms about it because Delphy is viewed as a contributing member of the community, so if he skims some voluntary donations off the top, it's not a big deal: He's still one of "us", so to speak. This Walt fellow, however, is NOT a part of the community. He contributes nothing and many see him as a parasite whose goal is simply to suck the blood from it. Already, the SITE DOESN'T WORK, yet it is plastered with ad crap at the bottom.

That's exactly how I feel.  He may make some money, but I don't feel like things are done with the purpose of making money.  I do hope Delphy acquires insim, I am not going to donate one cent under Walt.   


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 27, 17:55:45
I haven't read the whole thread yet, I just got to Walt's yammering about the Great Depression. My eyes are rolling so hard I think they may shoot across the room. Oh my god he is an IDIOT. He's one of those people who read an article in Esquire and thinks he therefore knows everything. I'd love to show his imbecility to one of my professors to punish them.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 27, 17:56:48
Pes why don't you post your graph over there if you haven't just to make him look like a total asshat.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: vindi on 2008 November 27, 17:59:36
Pes why don't you post your graph over there if you haven't just to make him look like a total asshat.
Like that guy needs help looking like an asshat! That's probably the only thing he studied besides history. But posting the graph would be excellent pwnage.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Yaardarm Monkey II on 2008 November 27, 18:00:41
Pes why don't you post your graph over there if you haven't just to make him look like a total asshat.


Problem is, the site has to be working to post any graphs...and most of the time I'm getting "server is busy"   :P

edit:  page 6 has the buyawebsite info on revenue/expenses, page 7 has Delphy posting some delicious graphs
http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=100055&page=7


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: catbyte on 2008 November 27, 18:04:24
I'm a lurker here and the Insim sale is really distressing.

I got this when I logged in just now (after several "Server Busy" messages"):

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w13/nycgirl321/StartingaNewEraatInSIMenatornet-Pag.png)

Not wasting any time, is he?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 27, 18:05:04
Oh well I've been avoiding visiting that site for fear that his low IQ is contagious.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 27, 18:14:46
Okay, my mind is still reeling from this idiot's Great Depression spiel. I'm not a specialist in 20th century American history, but of course I have studied some basic things about it -- and I mean actually studied, under professors, not watched a show on The History Channel about them, as Walt apparently has.

But one does not need to have studied history to see that his analogy doesn't work at all. People expected to pay for movies, which were not incidentally really cheap to go to at the time. A better parallel would be things people don't expect to pay for, like dances or picnics. People who could afford it did contribute food and money to those, but it was a very small investment all done for the sake of community. No one was expected to profit from them!

Hey Walt: your last name isn't Disney. Also a quick trip to Wikipedia might dim your enthusiasm a tad. "As the Great Depression deepened, MGM could make a claim its rivals could not: it never lost money. It was the only Hollywood studio that continued to pay dividends during the 1930s."


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 27, 18:17:10
I noticed the "We buy websites!" link on Stupid Walt's website. Kathy and Eric must have gotten desperate, filled in the form and sold Insim in about five minutes.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 27, 18:21:24
For the younguns and non-members, here's the post from Insim Adult:

Quote from: Walt
The Firestorm
           *lots of stuff!*
More later.


Ya that all sounds fine and good, and I would like to think the best. However, when you arrives in the community to say hello and announce yourself thus,

We're Under New Management!

New Server Planned

InSIMenator.net Needs To Stabilize Its Donation Model

Current Bills Are High — Donations Are Needed Right Now!!!

it still makes me go , hmmmm.

So if he really didn't know what he was getting in to I'm waiting for the announcement that negotiations are under way to pass this whole mess off to someone else. Otherwise I think big changes are going to be occurring over at InSim.

Personally I don't think "skimming a little bit of the top" would be quite sufficient for someone like that considering the work involved to keep 2 sites running and active.
It one thing when you're personally invested in the content and have connections to the community involved. But that's not really the case is it? So I'm sorry but my Spidey senses are all a tingle over this one. Besides he talks like a telemarketer and they just get right up the crack of my ass.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 27, 18:33:48
The guy just doesn't listen at all.  He keeps going on about insimadult  not making enough donations.  People have explained that because of paypal restrictions on adult content they had to donate to the adult site via the main site. 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 27, 18:37:27
Can't post a screencap at the moment, but one of InSIM creators Mellisenda has already removed all her creations and will be uploading them elsewhere. Has anyone else seen others taking down their downloads?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 18:38:22
Hilarious - I'm watching the video on his site - he talks about authoritative websites linking to you is the way to go - the BBS doesn't allow links to Insim. And all the fansites use pictures - so google doesn't rate them the same way.  That plan is fail.

His business seems to be selling links to businesses, and then embedding that content on the page, so as to form a webring type thingie.  

Can't post a screencap at the moment, but one of InSIM creators Mellisenda has already removed all her creations and will be uploading them elsewhere.

Link for those gawkers like me: http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=76291


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quinctia on 2008 November 27, 18:47:56
His business seems to be selling links to businesses, and then embedding that content on the page, so as to form a webring type thingie. 

A webring?  That's so 1995.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 18:49:57
Yeah - I'm giving serious thought to trying to start up my own site as well.  I know how to do clean html, even if I'm rusty.  I don't have tons of content to share, but I've been more creative lately, and so I've been trying to do some stuff as I can, and of course there is always MTS2 as well.

I just....I'm still upset.  I can't imagine then just up and selling like this - someone on insim said it was a family - who sells their family?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 27, 18:54:35
We don't even know who he is really.  If Eric and kathy could pretend they hardly had enough money to pay the costs of the site when in fact they were running at $2500 profit a month, what's to say they can't be pretending to be called Walt now, so as to deflect some of the personal attacks they would have found themselves under with this change of tactic?   On the sock puppet theory, remember the sock has to put a distance between himself and the hand up his ass.  What was the first thing Walt felt he needed to say to us?  "I don't play The Sims".  Now that's a funny opening gambit when you think of all the things he could have said to *close* the gap between him and us!   He's trying to appear as different from his puppet masters (or co-conspirators) as he possibly can.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lilwen on 2008 November 27, 18:57:48
I bet he wonders what the hell he has gotten into.Pity he didn't lurk for a while before putting all his monies into a community web site.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 19:05:16
We don't even know who he is really.  If Eric and kathy could pretend they hardly had enough money to pay the costs of the site when in fact they were running at $2500 profit a month, what's to say they can't be pretending to be called Walt now, so as to deflect some of the personal attacks they would have found themselves under with this change of tactic?  

It doesn't strike me as the sort of thing Kathy and Eric would do - they are absolutely crap at organisation and this one would take a lot of planning.  Every time they come back they just make more rules, and take an opportunity to have a go at everyone for everything over the last 3 months, ask for money and leave again.  I don't see why they would make a far more elaborate plan this time.

But you're right in not knowing who he is - I for one am glad I don't have any real information for myself in my Insim profiles. 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 27, 19:15:02

It doesn't strike me as the sort of thing Kathy and Eric would do - they are absolutely crap at organisation and this one would take a lot of planning.  Every time they come back they just make more rules, and take an opportunity to have a go at everyone for everything over the last 3 months, ask for money and leave again.  I don't see why they would make a far more elaborate plan this time.

Yeah, I think that's it. I think they started the site because they loved the game and the interaction with people. They had RL problems like everyone does, started dipping into the pot, became dependent on it. They lost their ethics along the way. The really big line they crossed was manipulating people's emotions, getting money out of their members that they believed was going to the site when in fact it was supporting Eric and Kathy directly.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SnarkyShark on 2008 November 27, 19:20:33
A whole "new era" has started over at InSim. I think it's to be called the Age of the Clueless Doofus. Its motto: Privacy is private.

Seriously though, the first thing Walt should do, after he's finished alienating everyone, is take down the notice that's always reminding me of how unsociable I am whenever I visit. I hate that thing.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 27, 19:23:26
Same here!  And isn't it just encouraging people to post rubbish when they didn't have anything to say?

Is that why they have these weird games of guess what the person on top of you is up to?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 27, 19:25:59
Oh that "why don't you post" notice? It always gives me the shits.. I've donated to Insim once or twice when they've been in a hole with the money, but I barely download from there (just Bloom and Warlok's stuff) and I don't have the energy to string a sentence together with people I don't know most of the time.. I'd prefer to download and leave.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quinctia on 2008 November 27, 19:26:16
Yeah, I think that's it. I think they started the site because they loved the game and the interaction with people. They had RL problems like everyone does, started dipping into the pot, became dependent on it. They lost their ethics along the way. The really big line they crossed was manipulating people's emotions, getting money out of their members that they believed was going to the site when in fact it was supporting Eric and Kathy directly.

And I think that shows the major difference between the way they did donations and the way a lot of other sites do donations.  Other sites have set goals, warnings ahead of time, etc.  More information, less on the begging.  So if there's $50 profit (pulling a figure out of my ass here) left at the end of the month on a site that just has a donate button, or a small "perks" subscription on a forum, you probably wouldn't care if the site owner went out and had a nice dinner with it.

On the other hand, if the owner comes up with a doom-and-gloom story every couple of months with a rather large figure to be pulled off in a smallish time-frame (We need $600 by the middle of next week or the site explodes!!!!!11), that's honestly more than taking advantage of good will, it's closer to blackmail.  You're only able to raise the money because of people's emotional investment to the site, and you're threatening to take it away to get the money.  Plus, the sums of money are turning out to be larger than the monthly bill for the site according to the information we have now, and it appears to be sheer greed, one way or another.

People are not going to be willing to give in the same amounts to a new owner looking to turn a profit that they were to a long-known community member who was supposedly only trying to keep the site up, especially now that they know the latter of the pair was lying the whole damn time.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 27, 19:33:45
Can't post a screencap at the moment, but one of InSIM creators Mellisenda has already removed all her creations and will be uploading them elsewhere. Has anyone else seen others taking down their downloads?

SynapticSim is gone. Everything will be moving to his site eventually.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 27, 19:42:07
Does SynapticSim have a site? I can't find one for him when I search..


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 27, 19:42:58
Yup. http://s11.zetaboards.com/SynapticSims_Lair/index/  :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 27, 19:44:00
A whole "new era" has started over at InSim. I think it's to be called the Age of the Clueless Doofus. Its motto: Privacy is private.

He certainly is.  All this flouncing while he's eating turkey - great timing guy.  ???

Same here!  And isn't it just encouraging people to post rubbish when they didn't have anything to say?

I get rid of that by posting thanks for stuff I download - I don't download there often, but often enough. It shows up for me at Insim Adult though.

You're only able to raise the money because of people's emotional investment to the site, and you're threatening to take it away to get the money. 

Once (for Freetime I think) they even held the Insimenator over people's heads.  

Does SynapticSim have a site? I can't find one for him when I search..

Googled for you: http://s11.zetaboards.com/SynapticSims_Lair/index/


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 27, 19:48:24
Yeah, I helped Syn. I deleted (most of) his section this morning.
I'll be deleting mine once I'm sure people know where I've uploaded everything.
I know of 3-4 other Creators/Staffers that are going to be leaving too.
I'm going to be buying a domain by the end of this week, but hosting is gonna be a bit more interesting.

Also, I think it's funny he's so quick to assume we know nothing about Kathy and Eric. Like a lot of people here have said, it's a community. We knew the owners rather well, but not well enough, obviously.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 27, 19:54:20
 :) oh that's cute.. I like the layout.. I won't join though, communities where I need to sign up to download make me nuts.

Corinne, with your domain, make sure you get whoisguard protection.. Namecheap's really good for that, they charge you ten bucks for the domain, then you get the whois protection for free. It's worth it not to see your personal details plastered everywhere. With the hosting, it depends on what you need as to what you want to buy...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 20:01:47
I had this to say to the son of a bitch and am doing a copy/paste so non-InSIM members can read it:

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You bought a website and domain, NOT the community of people that call(ed) this site HOME. You bought the licenses and all of that stuff, but you didn't buy the staff. You didn't buy the users. You did NOT buy my respect. That could have been gotten had you introduced yourself to the staff and formed a rapport with us, gaining knowledge of how the minds and relationships around here work. But no, you sat back and did NOTHING but run the numbers, seeing what you could make where.

I knew that there were real life problems for the two of them, but it wasn't my place to blab it out to the public. I still won't. BUT! They did a shitty on those of us that trusted them to not sell the site! Kathy swore up and down that she would NEVER, EVER sell this site! Take a partner, maybe. Sell? NEVER. You can chew me out for insubordination, lack of respect, whatever the hell you feel like doing.

Know what? It's not gonna matter a flying DAMN at a rolling donut. YOU don't know the working relationship/friendship that many of us had with Kathy, and you obviously don't CARE a rat's ass about how we feel about being left holding the bedpan!!

This place is entertainment, yeah. I heard the stories of the Great Depression from my parents and grandparents. It's great that your mum supports the site, I hope SHE at least plays! Thing is, people were still given a chance at dignity in those times, not talked down to when they would visit a music hall nor told to "get over it" when they couldn't afford whatever was being raffled off. Then again, the price of admission was also the price of the raffle ticket. I know history, I'm living through it every damn day I'm on this planet.

If you don't want to take into account how many special people make up this community, nor make any effort to understand us or support our growth, then get the hell out of it and sell it to Delphy. We ain't here to make money for anyone. My name isn't Bessie and you can't milk me out in the dairy shed. I moo for no man! Wise up, Walt, you're ruffling feathers that should be left alone.

If you drive away members and staff with your attitude, you're gonna find yourself with some empty webspace. If you're foolish enough to keep going the course you have been, then you deserve it. Give us a chance that you denied us at first, we can be one hell of a great group of people. Thing is, when a new owner of a business comes onto the scene, he gets to know the people he's going to be working with if they decide to stay. You've not even done any of the staff here that basic courtesy. If that's the kind of business man you are, then I won't be here long.

I'm trying to give you a chance, I really am. But you keep shooting yourself in the ass with the "new sheriff in town" attitude. That one got a lot of Golden Age cowboys shot in the damn back... Give us a chance, get to know us and what makes us who we are in this community and maybe, you'll earn some good will back that you've lost. If you can't do that, prepare for empty spots where there used to be people posting.


Also, I found this upon the staff boards and the person that wrote it gave me permission to quote it so long as I didn't use her name because she likes to remain unknown here, being as she is a lurker. :D Thanks, babe!

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I think Walt needs to see there are two discussions/issues going on. One addressing the sudden selling of the site without so much as a 'thank you for all the help' from Kathy and Eric. Their lives are filled with RL problems that must be addressed, but I think many would have liked to say good bye and even find alternatives to the site being sold in such a NON sim related way. They are not upset at Walt for this, but rather just venting their feelings. Walt, saying 'get over it' to a membership that was hugely supportive of the previous owners and treat this site as a second home is was pretty cold. Perhaps you should allow them to vent and not comment on it. The comments are for support of others feeling the same way.

The second issue is someone who suddenly posts that they bought the site and now want to discuss how the members can make money for them. Honestly that was really something you should have held back. You have a huge membership of kids. Some are younger than ten. They just want to play their game and download clothes. You also have a large amount of people who are disabled/out of a job and this is really their only way to escape from the life and socialize with others without barriers. THESE are your members. Please keep this in mind.

Hopefully we can discuss this more behind the scenes in the Moderator section.



We're calling for the motherfucker to have some talks with us, but he seems to wish to remain upon his money bags, reclining while munching on a turkey leg with some grapes nearby to finish his repast with. Hope the fuck chokes on some gristle for a few moments...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 27, 20:16:24
Paden, makes me think of......"The king was in his counting house counting all his money...."
I hope his turkey is undercooked.  :-*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 27, 20:24:19
I can't believe you guys are giving this money hungry d-bag a chance.  He's not going to talk to you until he realizes he is failing miserably and that is his only option left.  If he does say anything it will be the same regurgitated shtick that he has been feeding into the rest of his posts.  He doesn't want your complaints, companionship or opinions (unless they help him make more money) he wants you to work for him much like a boss wants his employers to work.  He wants you to help deal with what he deems problems, take orders, be supportive of him and most importantly make him money.

He's an ass.  He dropped this bomb of an announcement yesterday knowing full well what day it was and then is using Thanksgiving as a reason to excuse himself from the ensuing uprising.  If he really gave a shit would be actively working with staff to help resolve...yet for some reason took the time to set up a poll to try to forecast how much money he could milk out of a subscription system.  That's exactly where his interests lies, in money.  

I am so glad to hear people are leaving.  I hope both the turkey and the forum are left cold for him. 

 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 27, 20:29:04
anyone who wants their section deleting at insim let me know before I get sacked

........... and most likely I will as I won't be able to keep my mouth almost shut much longer!

I've long been disgusted at the behaviour over there but couldn't bear to leave as it's my home, but this is just one slap in the face too many for this lassie  >:(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BoogerNabbingCrust on 2008 November 27, 20:32:20
Well said eledhel, and Bravo Paden! :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 27, 20:34:56
There is something I have never really understood.  What do unpaid moderators and admins do it for, unless it is because they like the site owner a lot and want to help them keep the site running?  Why do so many people work as moderators for sites where they say they don't like the owner, or don't approve of all the rules, yet they still work, unrewarded, at enforcing them?   I know the answer you often hear is that the person likes helping users, but they could help the other users without being moderators.   The only thing that moderators can do that non-staff helpful people cannot, is delete posts and reprimand users.

This is not aimed at any individual BTW!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 27, 20:35:56
I'm sure he'll be firing up his diamond hot tub in his ivory tower soon. I never really go in InSim, but I feel sad that such poison has corrupted that place in such a small space of time.

I find it suspicious at how someone buys a website two weeks before server costs are due with no ready guarantee or even money set aside to cover them. That's either poor business sense or a lie. Probably both. Also, why leave the gravy train? I know K&E had RL issues, but it seems unusual for people to deceive others like that and then just "suddenly" decide they don't want to anymore. And here are some select quotes...

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The advertising revenue is consistent, but it's not large enough to finance the site by itself.
This is very fishy, if we're going by the financial information we've seen. The costs are supposedly $500 (per month) and they apparently make $2000 in advertising alone every month. Someone is definitely lying here.

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The donation model that the site follows is critical to its my success.

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Donation totals from month to month have varied dramatically. "I want lots of monies every month, damnit!"

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Over 400,000 people have become site members in the past 3.5 years. That's a sizeable pool, and if only 1% were to became monthly subscribers, it would provide sufficient financing to not only pay for the larger server we need but also to bring in professional developers to add various kinds of functionality to the website over time!
Huh? The Sims 2 is coming to an end. He mentioned that development of InSim is soon coming to an end. Why the hell does he expect that community to grow much more beyond what it is now. Plus the whole idea of "voluntary subscriptions" is doomed to failure. Why on earth, especially in these financial times, would you want to such a vast unnecessary expense every month when you can do it for free. Sure, no ads, but that's why adblockers were invented. His ultimate aim is to charge people for continuing to be a part of a community they love. Emotional blackmail.

Plus there's the obvious fact he's a businessman who doesn't even play the game and has no understanding of how it, or the community, works. He's not interested in merely keeping it going. All he wants is cold, hard cash, and will subject that site to anything and everything until he gets it. Bye, bye InSim.

He's an out and out conman. They all are. I feel like bringing up the Oblivion post again. We should do what the Oblivion community does to anyone who marches on up and demands their weight in gold: Point and laugh him out the door.

ETA: You make a good point about moderators Quorneater. That's exactly the reason why the SimMasters had a mass exodus over the weekend. EA gave them the cold shoulder.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Yarp on 2008 November 27, 21:02:18
There is something I have never really understood.  What do unpaid moderators and admins do it for, unless it is because they like the site owner a lot and want to help them keep the site running?  Why do so many people work as moderators for sites where they say they don't like the owner, or don't approve of all the rules, yet they still work, unrewarded, at enforcing them?   I know the answer you often hear is that the person likes helping users, but they could help the other users without being moderators.   The only thing that moderators can do that non-staff helpful people cannot, is delete posts and reprimand users.

This is not aimed at any individual BTW!

Most moderators on there liked Kathy and the site. They enjoyed helping people. Right now they are in limbo. The old owners left without so much as a wave and the new owner hasn't even personally addressed them outside of an email that he cut and pasted onto the forum the next day. No direction, no real introduction and no compassion. Most of the people who are staying on are doing so because they have a soft spot for inSIM and they are in a holding pattern. Most likely they are hoping something will be resolved.

I am at odds with Delphy taking over InSIM. While it would be nice if he did so and didn't change it into MTS2 I am hesitant about how it would work. MTS2 has pop ads that I get on every other page and other ads all around. Besides that I was under the impression that Delphy was phasing out MTS2. Why buy a site if you are not interested in continuing the current site? Not to sound snarky... hopefully he's had a change of heart.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 27, 21:06:48
Time for me to go as well, have asked Corinne to smash the delete button on my section there.
If anyone is interrested in moving their stuff to Noukiesims2 they are more than welcome.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 27, 21:07:59
I don't mind ads really, as long as they are for stuff I can buy, not all American things.  And as long as none of them have spiders suddenly running across your screen, like one that TSR used to have.  That put me off logging in there for ages.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 27, 21:09:16
I would love it if he came back to the site after Thanksgiving to find the place deserted, tumbleweeds blowing past and nothing that will bring him the profit he so obviously wants :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 27, 21:18:00
I don't mind ads really, as long as they are for stuff I can buy, not all American things.  And as long as none of them have spiders suddenly running across your screen, like one that TSR used to have.  That put me off logging in there for ages.

I think there are a lot of other things that will put you off even entering their url. For eternity.

I too would like to see Walt return to find a ghost town. Sadly I don't think it will happen quite that quickly, but certainly soon enough at this rate.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 21:20:26
Let me grab copies of my things and then I think go ahead and delete my section as well.  Considering Kathy had asked if I minded her deleting it a while back, this is almost ironic. [ I didn't mind, not sure why its even still there.]

fake edit - I've nabbed my things.  So push the button.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: nixy on 2008 November 27, 21:28:06
I gave Walt the benefit of the doubt - obviously, he's a tool, but was he a duped tool? I think that he was - at least as far as the nature of the site he bought is concerned. Of course, those of us who gave money to InSim because of its dire and urgent need for big cash infusions are even bigger dupes.

I know I'm being elitist, but seriously: website using a 16-color palette plus random point sizes of Arial = clueless at doing intarwebz. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but he's a bottom feeder at best. His life's work seems to entail doing all the things online that most of us simply filter out with a couple of browser plugins. Of course, if I ever need to participate in a marketing scam, engage the pointless assistance of a cellular service middleman, or need someone to write me bad fiction about spirit guide hijinx (http://www.stories-by-email.com/author.asp?AuthorID=0), I know I can count on Walt. Some might not consider it relevant, but I am not comfortable with the attitudes expressed on the various slightly paranoid and god-flavored Libertarian rant sites that he runs, if only because it makes him seem like an even poorer fit for a diverse and talkative gaming community.

As for the Insimenator, based on what people are saying about M&G, it probably requires a final update. Assuming that Eric does do that, what else would he need to do during his promised year of continued work on the mod? I don't use the Insimenator any more, but the only upgrades I recall always happened shortly after the release of a new EP (or not so shortly, depending on whether or not E & K were around). With no further EPs or development expected for Sims 2, what would he be doing to the Insimenator other than a bug fix? It sounds to me like the promised year of care and feeding of the mod is actually something that can be handled with a single e-mail attachment.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 27, 21:31:27
I really can't imagine Eric doing any more work on InSim after this!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 21:32:19
And if that one Gamestop person is correct, there might be more stuff for sims2.

I mean, After FT I thought it was done....then after AL came out, I thought it was done.  So....


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Beefcake on 2008 November 27, 21:32:25
I think the fact that the guy's not even a gameplayer is a total joke. It'd be like giving a bone to a cat. All in all quite a funny situation.
*Beefcake hands out cocktails*
Sit back, relax, and watch inSim run dry

Cheers!  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Skadi on 2008 November 27, 21:32:34
Now that K&E are gone, I wonder if this means we could get away with booty links at insim.  ???

Just to add my indignation: I'm speechless about how this idiot has handled the purchase of a forum. How fucking stupid do you have to be? Even businesses tell staff what's going on when they buy each other out. It's like rocking up to work one day and instead of finding your boss who you liked and had a working relationship with, even though they hadn't been there much lately, you find some old guy in a suit telling you he's the owner, he has no clue so he'll be relying on you even more, and he's charging an admittance fee. Oh and it's a holiday in the US and he wants you to handle the customers discontent while he eats turkey. WTF?

I know all the mods at insim must have a lot invested personally, to be there doing what they do, even with K&E randomly disappearing. But what would be good to see is the bulk of the creators and mods bailing over Thanksgiving, just to show that he can't treat people like that.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 27, 21:32:51
Of course I can delete your section, Nouk. If someone hasn't done it yet, I'm heading over to take care of it right now.

I'll be around all day if anyone needs anything.

Fakest Edit Ever: SoggyFox, what's your Section called there? I'll nuke it for you, no problem.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Beefcake on 2008 November 27, 21:34:16
Soggy - Mansion & Garden is the 9th SP for the Sims 2, goes past the 8 for TS1 8 for TS2 thing, so maybe there's a 9th EP for the Sims 2 yet :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 27, 21:35:06
Thank you so very much, Corinne! Or in the spirit of this forum: baaah baah <3


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 21:36:35
The Fox's Den :)  and thanks!
I'm Reyn there.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 27, 21:42:32
Soggy - Mansion & Garden is the 9th SP for the Sims 2, goes past the 8 for TS1 8 for TS2 thing, so maybe there's a 9th EP for the Sims 2 yet :)
TS1 only had 7 (glorious) EPs.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Beefcake on 2008 November 27, 21:45:06
Really? And I loved the TS1 expansions. I can't see EA/Maxis doing an uneven ratio of EP's / SP's so I think there's a 9th EP to come.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 27, 21:45:18
Wipe out Kathy and Eric's forums too?  (doh where is the evil grinnie?)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 21:47:36
She's Reyn, of the Fox's Den, I do believe.

Edit: Ninja'd!!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 27, 21:49:56
I got them both, Nouk and SoggyFox.

I'm just sorry it had to come to this. It's not fair for any of us, especially since Kathy and Eric made it seem like I was one of their friends. Truth be told, I'll miss them both, but I'm so pissed at them right now I don't think anything they could do or say would change my mind.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 27, 21:51:03
This Walt must be very trusting.  He has left several people with Admin status, not taken care to ensure they are on his side (in fact knows some of them are not), and gone off to eat turkey for the day.  Heck for all he knows they could be deleting the whole site by now   ::)

If I was him, I would have done an immediate lockdown, and held talks with the staff before deciding which ones should keep their roles.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HystericalParoxysm on 2008 November 27, 21:52:07
I am at odds with Delphy taking over InSIM. While it would be nice if he did so and didn't change it into MTS2 I am hesitant about how it would work. MTS2 has pop ads that I get on every other page and other ads all around. Besides that I was under the impression that Delphy was phasing out MTS2. Why buy a site if you are not interested in continuing the current site? Not to sound snarky... hopefully he's had a change of heart.

D has retired from major duties of day-to-day drudgery on the site - fixing accounts, setting up new forums, that kind of thing, and has me and Tig to do that, as well as a great team of staff to do the rest of the stuffs.  MTS2 isn't being phased out or discontinued at all - there probably won't be a huge amount of new major features on it, but it's sticking around, and who knows, might even get expanded to offer some sort of TS3 stuff, even though TS3 will suck.

If you're getting the popup ads on every other page, something's wrong - you should only get the takeover ad once per day and then it's just the little ads (which you can easily ignore or block).  If it's happening that often, post up in Site Issues (I think there's a recent thread on this or you can make one of your own) with info on what browser you're using (including the version) and any further details like which ad in particular it is and I'm sure we can get it straightened out.  The ads on MTS2 aren't meant to cause a problem with using the site, and if they are, we'll find a way to fix it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Owl on 2008 November 27, 21:52:42
Really? And I loved the TS1 expansions. I can't see EA/Maxis doing an uneven ratio of EP's / SP's so I think there's a 9th EP to come.

Someone pointed out in another thread that the .exe file for M&G Stuff is, in fact, EP 9. Apparently this is because it comes with a new option in build mode and a new interaction.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 22:00:27

D has retired from major duties of day-to-day drudgery on the site - fixing accounts, setting up new forums, that kind of thing, and has me and Tig to do that, as well as a great team of staff to do the rest of the stuffs.  MTS2 isn't being phased out or discontinued at all - there probably won't be a huge amount of new major features on it, but it's sticking around, and who knows, might even get expanded to offer some sort of TS3 stuff, even though TS3 will suck.


I don't know - i have faith that the community will make it fun - even without the ability to make new neighborhoods.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Amazone on 2008 November 27, 22:02:32
I've reached page 7, now the server is busy constantly, too much traffic on there? I am still a site monkey on Insim, cause Kathy scared me away. There was a paysite-debate over there for a long time ago. My impression have always been that Kathy was not really against paysites, even if she might have said so. But Inseminator is great, i am addicted to it in the game, and a lot of great skins to use. :) So i used to donate too, since they seemed to have such economical troubble with their site. Was that just a lie?
Well, then i am very sad and disappointed. And i can't believe i've missed Paden been a super-moderator over there. :P

Don't you think this Walt, might have been too quick as the businessman he is? Maybe he'll reach a solution everyone might agree with. I don't know, but i would wait to judge him too hard before he has sorted things out. (But that's me).  At least the community told told him.

Happy Thanksgiving!



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 27, 22:06:22
The guy's bought a fansite and wants to make a money from it. He's clearly an idiot.

And don't make a comparison of that to TSR, as they were clearly a commerical venture from the get go.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 22:11:43
Except TSR was a free site that offered hosting with the sims 1, iirc?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 27, 22:12:54
Hey Corinne and SoggyFox, what about Animal Army? Does that need a website of it's own?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 27, 22:16:43
Through the tragedy of it all, I am having a wonderful time reading the comments on this scandal both here and on insim.  :P Creative people are creative.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 27, 22:17:55
Nouk - I'm not sure; I think Nymphy would know better than I. I would hope they get their own site, though!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Yarp on 2008 November 27, 22:19:43
This Walt must be very trusting.  He has left several people with Admin status, not taken care to ensure they are on his side (in fact knows some of them are not), and gone off to eat turkey for the day.  Heck for all he knows they could be deleting the whole site by now   ::)

If I was him, I would have done an immediate lockdown, and held talks with the staff before deciding which ones should keep their roles.

You are so right it's sick. I would have been making sure at least ONE admin was spoken to on each site to make a game plan. I just don't think this guy has any idea about what the site is about or why the people come there. Hell, he didn't even know about the software. So far he has not contacted anyone. His lack of presence is only making everyone want to jump ship more.

I am at odds with Delphy taking over InSIM. While it would be nice if he did so and didn't change it into MTS2 I am hesitant about how it would work. MTS2 has pop ads that I get on every other page and other ads all around. Besides that I was under the impression that Delphy was phasing out MTS2. Why buy a site if you are not interested in continuing the current site? Not to sound snarky... hopefully he's had a change of heart.

D has retired from major duties of day-to-day drudgery on the site - fixing accounts, setting up new forums, that kind of thing, and has me and Tig to do that, as well as a great team of staff to do the rest of the stuffs.  MTS2 isn't being phased out or discontinued at all - there probably won't be a huge amount of new major features on it, but it's sticking around, and who knows, might even get expanded to offer some sort of TS3 stuff, even though TS3 will suck.

If you're getting the popup ads on every other page, something's wrong - you should only get the takeover ad once per day and then it's just the little ads (which you can easily ignore or block).  If it's happening that often, post up in Site Issues (I think there's a recent thread on this or you can make one of your own) with info on what browser you're using (including the version) and any further details like which ad in particular it is and I'm sure we can get it straightened out.  The ads on MTS2 aren't meant to cause a problem with using the site, and if they are, we'll find a way to fix it.

Thank you for the clarification. It's good to know MTS2 will still be around. I am sure TS3 will suck too, but I am getting that itchy finger to buy it anyway. *sigh* I'm trying to hold off to at least make a statement but ya know...

I remember seeing the thread somewhere and will look for it again. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I use FF so the only thing that keeps popping up is the box without the ad. I'll post there anyway.

I keep waiting for Walt to at least say something that makes me think he has at least ONE clue as to what he got himself into. Tomorrow should be interesting when he returns to once again put out the fires.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 27, 22:20:04
Oh, that might be good - since I think the reason it fizzled on insim was the whole 'No more paysite' debate rule, probably prompted by Beos..... >.>

The Animal Army that is...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 27, 22:22:35
Unfortunately (or fortunately) I use FF so the only thing that keeps popping up is the box without the ad. I'll post there anyway.
Since you use FF you might be interested in this using noscript (http://noscript.net/). With that you can block everything and nothing, depending on your preference. 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 27, 22:25:03
Wipe out Kathy and Eric's forums too?  (doh where is the evil grinnie?)

damn me ... now there's an idea  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 27, 22:25:20
I also agree he was a bit stupid leaving people with admin powers when he could tell people were getting a little pissy with the whole thing. I so want to be a fly-on-the-wall when he returns!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sinthe on 2008 November 27, 22:25:48

D has retired from major duties of day-to-day drudgery on the site - fixing accounts, setting up new forums, that kind of thing, and has me and Tig to do that, as well as a great team of staff to do the rest of the stuffs.  MTS2 isn't being phased out or discontinued at all - there probably won't be a huge amount of new major features on it, but it's sticking around, and who knows, might even get expanded to offer some sort of TS3 stuff, even though TS3 will suck.


I don't know - i have faith that the community will make it fun - even without the ability to make new neighborhoods.

That's what I'm counting on. I'm not buying it until somebody fixes those faces.

You can use Noscript to get rid of the takeover ad?!

InSim is dying. While I'm glad to see Kathy and Eric gone because they suck, I'm not sure how I feel about its effects.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 22:27:47
Ya know, Amazone, I dunno if I ought to take that as a compliment or as a slur... I hope it was a compliment cause this whole shittin thing is tiring as all hell. The fucker can't even bother to deal with the hornet's nest he's stirred up and seems to believe that as long as he ignores us, we're gonna die down into silence. Big, massive honker of a mistake. You don't ignore the masses when you've shit into the community punch bowl, you just don't.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 27, 22:28:15
You can use Noscript to get rid of the takeover ad?!
I use noscript, and with it, only the scripts I decide is allowed to run. Nothing ever pops up for me, unless I say so specifically.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 27, 22:37:53
Synaptic Sim leaving got me thinking about past happenings - where I deleted my creations from the Insim site because I did not agree with BeosBoxBoy's actions towards me.  BeosBoxBoy made a point out of insulting me in front of all the other mods and admins, Synaptic Sim chimed in and made some very hurtful comments and accusations towards me based on nothing, then tried to start another paysite debate because I had reported a paysite thread in accordance with the rules.
One of the things I remember him saying was that for leaving, I didn't care about the Insimenator community, that I insulted his home, etc. etc. When I told him I had my reasons for leaving and they were between me and BeoxBoxBoy, he simply told me he didn't care. Also, after Kathy came back and I had returned, she asked him about it, he apologized to her to save is ass, told her it was a misunderstanding, etc., but never once said a word to me. Not a thing.

So I should conclude him leaving must mean he doesn't give a damn about Insim, and per his reasoning, I shouldn't care what his reasons are for leaving.  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 27, 22:46:00
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Synaptic Sim leaving got me thinking about past happenings - where I deleted my creations from the Insim site because I did not agree with BeosBoxBoy's actions towards me.  BeosBoxBoy made a point out of insulting me in front of all the other mods and admins, Synaptic Sim chimed in and made some very hurtful comments and accusations towards me based on nothing, then tried to start another paysite debate because I had reported a paysite thread in accordance with the rules.
One of the things I remember him saying was that for leaving, I didn't care about the Insimenator community, that I insulted his home, etc. etc. When I told him I had my reasons for leaving and they were between me and BeoxBoxBoy, he simply told me he didn't care. Also, after Kathy came back and I had returned, she asked him about it, he apologized to her to save is ass, told her it was a misunderstanding, etc., but never once said a word to me. Not a thing.

The more I hear and see, the more I realize that perhaps Insim isn't a place I should be anyway... That's really terrible!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 27, 22:48:18
Perhaps some of the newly-disenchanted insim staff can now explain to me why Beosboxboy changed his userID to be the same as his female modding partner?  (So they became Marvine and Marvine)  I was pretty much told to mind my own business when I expressed surprised before.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 27, 22:51:31
Synaptic Sim leaving got me thinking about past happenings - where I deleted my creations from the Insim site because I did not agree with BeosBoxBoy's actions towards me.  BeosBoxBoy made a point out of insulting me in front of all the other mods and admins, Synaptic Sim chimed in and made some very hurtful comments and accusations towards me based on nothing, then tried to start another paysite debate because I had reported a paysite thread in accordance with the rules.
One of the things I remember him saying was that for leaving, I didn't care about the Insimenator community, that I insulted his home, etc. etc. When I told him I had my reasons for leaving and they were between me and BeoxBoxBoy, he simply told me he didn't care. Also, after Kathy came back and I had returned, she asked him about it, he apologized to her to save is ass, told her it was a misunderstanding, etc., but never once said a word to me. Not a thing.

So I should conclude him leaving must mean he doesn't give a damn about Insim, and per his reasoning, I shouldn't care what his reasons are for leaving.  :D

No I think it's just some weird phenomenon where people are unable to see things from anothers point of view until they are in the same situation.  Unfortunately, most people don't even realize they are doing this, and when you point out that they are behaving in the same way they will find some way to convince themselves that the situations are entirely different for them.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 27, 22:56:01
Perhaps some of the newly-disenchanted insim staff can now explain to me why Beosboxboy changed his userID to be the same as his female modding partner?  (So they became Marvine and Marvine)  I was pretty much told to mind my own business when I expressed surprised before.

He left and went to create for TSR only, and there he also stopped because of health issues. When he left, he didn't contact Kathy, Eric, and just told another admin to change his username and that was that. Even discussing it sent Lethe, an admin at that time, over the edge. He scolded anyone who asked why he left without saying anything to anyone, told them they had no respect, and basically the whole conversation was stiffled by his ranting. It was weird.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 27, 23:06:24
It's really bizarre how these people, whom I was "friends" with most of, all of a sudden magically left.

I just wonder if the only reason they got Squinge back is so they could sell the site for a higher profit.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 27, 23:15:21
Does anyone, including Yakov himself, know why in the fuck he does a damn thing?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 27, 23:41:00
Haha, Paden; I think we already know the answer to that without thinking twice about it - HELL NO!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: djslippyman on 2008 November 27, 23:51:52
hmmm what a weird development.  I can't blame Kathy and Eric for wanting to sell the forum as it had likely run its course and yet was worth something to sell to someone who thought he could make it reasonably profitable.  While its strange not to aid in the transition but sell and run they may have wanted to avoid the drama (as has obviously occurred). Still its a weird time to buy a site for a game that's basically dying.  Sounds like they may have gotten the better side of the deal.

Whether Insim become TSR with better creators or even runs a paid subscription will be interesting to see (doubtful). Of course with all the server issues on MTS and difficulties paying for Insim I can't blame any party for wanting to improve the site performance / make it financially sustainable at the same time.  I know that might mean its a paysite in many people's eyes here but on the other hand even charities have paid employees.  If people think their donations to Red Cross don't go to employee wages, building improvements, events as much as the charities themselves they'd be kiddign themselves. If this guy's not a Sims fan then he clearly want to be getting enough from his investment to live off it (as I'm sure Kathy and Eric wanted the same at one point) so he'll be the one paid employee.  Whether mods will continue to work for free (why they do in the first place is always what surprises me) or even stick around should be interesting.

Just hope people don't take a slash & burn technique to leaving as it would be even a ruder move to piss on the community right before leaving.  I can certainly understand if people took their sections and left or gave up their moderating with new mgmt.  Still life will go on as it always does.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SynapticSim on 2008 November 27, 23:55:19
Anouk, my reasons for leaving InSim is because of Walt's mentality.  He's treating this like a business, and my number one concern is that he thinks because he bought InSim, he bought everything on it.  And I don't want anyone thinking that they own my stuff besides me and the people that download it to use in their games.  As far as the situation between us goes, I'm sorry that things went down the way they did.  I'm sure I could have found a better way to handle things, but I don't have a time machine so I can't change it.  At the time, I did consider InSim my home, and that included Kathy and Eric.  But this has put the final nail in the coffin for me.  And you are 100% right, I don't care about InSim anymore.  I do care about a lot of the people there however, and I hope they can find a new home, because I don't see InSim bouncing back from this if I'm being completely honest.  As far as BeosBoxBoy goes (and judging by what I've seen here, what I'm about to say probably doesn't bode well for me here) I still consider him a friend.  He has helped me out a lot along the way, and I'll always be grateful for that.  And in that sense, with what happened between you and I, Anouk, was a result of me standing up for my friend.  Whether that was misguided or not.

saraswati, the reason that I don't allow guests into my site is because I'm anal-retentive and some members would forget to log in, so I was getting "Guest" posts all over the site, with no way of knowing who said what.  I'm sure there's a way I could fix this better, but I needed a quick fix for it.  But I will look into a better solution.

~ Syn


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 27, 23:57:30
hmmm what a weird development.  I can't blame Kathy and Eric for wanting to sell the forum

I can. I do. And I hope people slash and burn, rather than sitting around being screwed by some jackass and "hoping" everything will somehow turn out right.

Couldn't someone from the site set up a refuge site for the people who left, and bring the things they liked about Insim to it?

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Still life will go on as it always does.

No shit Sherlock, as we said in 5th grade. I don't think anyone here thinks we're talking about nuclear war. That doesn't mean it's not a big deal.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 27, 23:59:09
You know Paden I gotta tell ya (all my goofball fucktard schtick aside) I'm sorry this happened to you. I know you invested time and effort in InSim, I know you went to bat here for K&E several times when we were hating on them, and I know you always make an effort to do the right thing and your intentions are always good. So I know this has really must suck for you. I'll probably go back to being an ass next post but I just wanted to tell you straight up I really am sorry, you're a nice lady and you deserved better.  J


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 28, 00:03:43
Couldn't someone from the site set up a refuge site for the people who left, and bring the things they liked about Insim to it?

Mutiny like that takes a bit of time to plan... Keep your eyes open. Some of us plan quickly.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 28, 00:16:36
Not necessarily.  All it takes is one or two people to take the initiative and the rest of the people who want to be a part of it will come.  That's pretty much what happened with SFV/simscave.  Ofcourse SFV was "temporarily" down for like the billionth time, but after I talked to Ferris who kinda had a temp site up, her and a couple of others had a new forum up within a few days, and the majority of people just moved on over.  I don't think a ton of planning went into it, just alot of work and help.

Sometimes you just need to move on, and shake of the bad vibes. 

Edit: Nevermind I totally missed the small print. I need to go put the glasses back on.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 28, 00:17:51
Agreed - it only needs a forum to start it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FilthyPriest on 2008 November 28, 00:34:40
THE END IS NEAR.
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e17/kxmerune/motivator6224019.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 28, 00:40:47
 :D :D :D

Oh man, I so needed that. I've been biting my nails all day and this made me laugh so hard. Thanks, that did me a world of good.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: djslippyman on 2008 November 28, 00:57:17
hmmm what a weird development.  I can't blame Kathy and Eric for wanting to sell the forum

I can. I do. And I hope people slash and burn, rather than sitting around being screwed by some jackass and "hoping" everything will somehow turn out right.

Couldn't someone from the site set up a refuge site for the people who left, and bring the things they liked about Insim to it?

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Still life will go on as it always does.

No shit Sherlock, as we said in 5th grade. I don't think anyone here thinks we're talking about nuclear war. That doesn't mean it's not a big deal.

lol. Kathy and Eric saw the ending credits on the site and sold it to an interested party who was willing to pay for what he likely thought was a still thriving site.  No doubt that Insim contributions and ads went to the roofs above their heads as well. Sounds like they got the better part of the deal and a nice severance check.

I'm sure Insim refugees can put together a good competition for it and put together a thriving forum.  Can they do so completely free and how long will people want to spend on Sims 2 mods, content, and discussion after Sims 3 comes out?

PS I don't consider slash & burning taking the content you made and uploaded to the site and leaving with it or even yelling at the new mgmt and quitting.  I do if people want to lock others accounts or access out, delete other's content, or do similar destructive acts. That's quite a bit more unethical and unwarranted.  Might as well hack or do DOS attacks on paysites if you live by those standards.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tchannie on 2008 November 28, 01:07:41
That picture is truly terrifying. I thought it was the witch from Hansel and Gretel when I saw it. *shudders, squeaks, and hides behind CapnJ, even though she isn't here at the moment*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 01:11:15
I think it's going very well so far.

(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/20739150/344946584.jpg)

Ok who the fuck are those 6 people who can cough up $25/mo. or more! Geez, I needz me one of them.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FilthyPriest on 2008 November 28, 01:12:08
:D :D :D

Oh man, I so needed that. I've been biting my nails all day and this made me laugh so hard. Thanks, that did me a world of good.
That picture is truly terrifying. I thought it was the witch from Hansel and Gretel when I saw it. *shudders, squeaks, and hides behind CapnJ, even though she isn't here at the moment*
I'm glad you people like it, and thanks for the complements.
Ok who the fuck are those 6 people who can cough up $25/mo. or more! Geez, I needz me one of them.
LOL Kenmtl, are you that desperate for money?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Markus on 2008 November 28, 01:14:18
That was hysterical Filthy Priest. :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 28, 01:35:49
saraswati, the reason that I don't allow guests into my site is because I'm anal-retentive and some members would forget to log in, so I was getting "Guest" posts all over the site, with no way of knowing who said what.  I'm sure there's a way I could fix this better, but I needed a quick fix for it.  But I will look into a better solution.

~ Syn

Hey Syn

I'd suggest going to a two-teired thing.. Maybe having a spot that's open to guests that just for downloads only, or a preview gallery? People probably just want to be able to see what they're going to download or get an idea of what's on offer before they log in.. I actually checked out your stuff on MTS and liked the look of it. But like many others I'm often horribly busy (in my case running Reclaim Your Game and creating for Skadi) and I don't have time to commit to posting on another forum just to get downloads.

I will also mention that I can't speak for Skadi or what she'd offer an individual person.. but she's set up free subdomains for people before if she gets on well with them. And our hosting on Sublime is set up for the next two and a half years, so it ensures a site is up for a long time. And you can ask Cala and Hec about what kind of host Skadi is if you want to check things out first..  ;) And we've also got a nice, friendly site if people decide they want to talk to Skadi about maybe just uploading their stuff to Sublime..

What I'm comforted about is that all of the people who're leaving Insim at the moment will have multiple options to find new homes or places to share their stuff.. it's a disaster but it shows we've still got a good, strong community even at this point. :)

Kath


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 November 28, 01:53:09
Ok who the fuck are those 6 people who can cough up $25/mo. or more! Geez, I needz me one of them.
That's ridiculous. Get Firefox and Adblock. No advertising for the cost of FREE.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: djslippyman on 2008 November 28, 01:55:16
In case it goes off the site:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b33/cosmic_charly/10b89087.jpg)

Insim information according to http://www.dealasite.com. Have Kathy and Eric been lying about needing donation this whole time?

$3200 in $500 going out.  $2700 income a month /  $32k a year.  So are Eric and Kathy a couple (do they live together with that shared income), or are they splitting that, and did they have any other jobs?  Again if people think they ran Insim fulltime without getting a paycheck....its a little naive. You can't pay for a house and food with Simoleons.    


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paleoanth on 2008 November 28, 01:56:22

Cause they wanted to say clearly to the community "Fuck you all".  They took some time and effort to set this up - it wasn't as if they weren't looking for someone to buy it.



Ok, this is what I get for spending the day with family.  I miss the ruckus.  Good internets drama, though.

Question:  I must have missed some stuff out there.  Why would Kathy and Eric have this kind of attitude toward the community and their own site?  What is the background that I am missing here?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 28, 02:04:06
Anouk, my reasons for leaving InSim is because of Walt's mentality.  He's treating this like a business, and my number one concern is that he thinks because he bought InSim, he bought everything on it.  And I don't want anyone thinking that they own my stuff besides me and the people that download it to use in their games.  As far as the situation between us goes, I'm sorry that things went down the way they did.  I'm sure I could have found a better way to handle things, but I don't have a time machine so I can't change it.  At the time, I did consider InSim my home, and that included Kathy and Eric.  But this has put the final nail in the coffin for me.  And you are 100% right, I don't care about InSim anymore.  I do care about a lot of the people there however, and I hope they can find a new home, because I don't see InSim bouncing back from this if I'm being completely honest.  As far as BeosBoxBoy goes (and judging by what I've seen here, what I'm about to say probably doesn't bode well for me here) I still consider him a friend.  He has helped me out a lot along the way, and I'll always be grateful for that.  And in that sense, with what happened between you and I, Anouk, was a result of me standing up for my friend.  Whether that was misguided or not.

~ Syn

Well, one one side, I do care for Insim, I don't care for what Walt's about to do with it after Kathy and Eric sold it to him, so I agree with that point. If you want to shake hands and forget about the nasty things we told eachother I'm more than happy to. :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 02:16:40
Ok who the fuck are those 6 people who can cough up $25/mo. or more! Geez, I needz me one of them.
LOL Kenmtl, are you that desperate for money?

Hey if someone can throw $25/mo at a fansite, trust me that $25 is just the tip of the iceberg.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 28, 02:51:58
$3200 in $500 going out.  $2700 income a month /  $32k a year.  So are Eric and Kathy a couple (do they live together with that shared income), or are they splitting that, and did they have any other jobs?  Again if people think they ran Insim fulltime without getting a paycheck....its a little naive. You can't pay for a house and food with Simoleons.    

They're married. As far as I know, Eric has a job, too. It makes -no- sense.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 28, 02:56:34
Also, anyone who thinks Kathy and Eric ran Insim fulltime is... misinformed. They haven't run it at all for a very long time. Nor is running a site like Insim a fulltime job in the first place.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 28, 03:01:27
actually it can be really timeconsuming Neriana.. any site is timeconsuming. Even a small site can take ten or fifteen hours a week depending on how much you're updating.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SynapticSim on 2008 November 28, 03:05:25
Well, one one side, I do care for Insim, I don't care for what Walt's about to do with it after Kathy and Eric sold it to him, so I agree with that point. If you want to shake hands and forget about the nasty things we told eachother I'm more than happy to. :)

I'll bring the rum so we can toast. ;)  I'm more than happy to let the past be the past.  Thanks.  At least something good has come from this madness.

And thank you for the suggestions Saraswati.  I like the idea of a preview section.

~ Syn


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: uknortherner on 2008 November 28, 03:12:07
I couldn't care less one way or another what happens to InSim. The only time I posted there, I was shouted down by that double-dipping twat BeosBoxBoy, and had some of my anti-paysite posts deleted by the aforementioned double-dipper. After that, I decided it wasn't worth my time contributing to discussions there. Every time I see that bloody message at the top of the page telling me I haven't posted there for a while, I find myself yelling at my screen, "yeah, there's a reason for that!"

I can't say I'm surprised by Kathy and Eric's attitude. Hell, they only turned up now and again to impose more rules, to hear the sheep shout "boobies!" and to demand more donations before pissing off back into obscurity. If those figures that have been posted here and on InSim are true, then they've been taking many donators, contributors and staffers over there for a ride  >:(.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Eskimo Pie on 2008 November 28, 03:27:50
 I have not visited that site for awhile, so I took a pop over today. There is not a whole lot going on over there...BUt a whole lot of begging for money! Even some members have a "please donate" in their siggys. It is like the annoying friend who is always broke and ask for money every time you see them.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ry on 2008 November 28, 03:32:33
I have to say that this looks like the largest scam I've seen in the Sims community to date. And the most personal.
I say grab your pitchforks and torches, folks.
My sympathy for those of you who were loyal Insim members. Huggles and back pats from me.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SnarkyShark on 2008 November 28, 03:43:15
I couldn't care less one way or another what happens to InSim.

Aside from how this effects Paden, I have to agree. I am curious about Squinge though. Does anyone know if he'll be leaving Walt Dismaland? 

Quote from: uknortherner
I can't say I'm surprised by Kathy and Eric's attitude. Hell, they only turned up now and again to impose more rules, to hear the sheep shout "boobies!" and to demand more donations before pissing off back into obscurity. If those figures that have been posted here and on InSim are true, then they've been taking many donators, contributors and staffers over there for a ride >:(.

Maybe having a fence post stuck up their asses for all these years inclined them to be a bit disingenuous.

- edited because I had to deal with family today and both my nerves and my concentration are shot. Wanna buy them, Walt? - cheap?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 28, 03:51:46
Aside from how this effects Paden, I have to agree. I am curious about Squinge though. Does anyone know if he'll be leaving Walt Dismaland? 

Squinge hasn't decided what he's going to do yet, but I'm sure we'll all know soon enough.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 28, 04:01:29
Hey-  maybe the Insim mods should change the tile of the thread there from "Starting a New Era..." to "New World Order at Insim" It would be more appropriate.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 28, 04:09:24
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"Starting a New Era..." to "New World Order at Insim" It would be more appropriate.

OT: My conspiracy theorist brother would love you for mentioning any New World Order...

The mood of the site has already changed for the worse in so little time, it's shocking.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: comicalmuse on 2008 November 28, 04:23:03
Squinge hasn't decided what he's going to do yet, but I'm sure we'll all know soon enough.

He'll probably be moving as well. This whole situation isn't sitting well with him (or Chaavik and I, his moderators), and we've had a few offers from other sites to host his stuff.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 28, 04:35:55
They're married. As far as I know, Eric has a job, too. It makes -no- sense.
Maybe he doesn't anymore. You know, the economy and all.

Squinge hasn't decided what he's going to do yet, but I'm sure we'll all know soon enough.
He could TURN TO THE DARK SIDE. We have cookies.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Chaavik on 2008 November 28, 04:57:00
The whole situation isn't sitting well with me either. What's worse is being told about the announcement Walt made at Insim by someone else on another site where I do frequent. None of us knew what happened. That's the betrayal of those who put time and energy into the site because we like to be with other people whose interests are as common as ours.

To think the previous owners really cared about us is an understatement. To think that the money we donate doesn't always go to the costs of site maintenance. To think they sold out to someone who had absolutely zero interest in the Sims 2 community or even the game franchise. All of this is sickening. Sickening to think they would care about Insim and the community behind it.

Yeah, we got blindsided royally. Real nice fucking way to tell us you were leaving us without so much of a "goodbye" or a "warning" to tell us the new changes were coming.

I don't know what Squinge's plans are for the moment, but we both do know he already had his mods backed up on his machine(s). I have my own mods backed up. They always have been backed up before I uploaded them.

What kind of cookies?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 28, 05:02:39
Evil cookies. Also, Insim's cheezserver has meltz0r3d under the baleful gaze of angry rubberneckers.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 05:11:13
Yeah, but God only knows what you put in the fucking things, Pescado.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BoogerNabbingCrust on 2008 November 28, 05:11:36
Rohina burnt them chaavik, plus they leave a bitter taste in your mouth. :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: carlydunham on 2008 November 28, 05:11:50
it appears insim has  gone   down  i  cant  get in


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: comicalmuse on 2008 November 28, 05:13:57
Rohina burnt them chaavik, plus they leave a bitter taste in your mouth. :D

Just as long as rum is provided to wash the taste away, all should be well.

ETA:
Or Jack Daniels, as Paden suggested. Thankfully, I have that in plentiful quantities.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 05:15:56
Think Jack Daniels, CM, it's about the only thing that will work. Or Everclear.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: karu on 2008 November 28, 05:16:57
Evil cookies. Also, Insim's cheezserver has meltz0r3d under the baleful gaze of angry rubberneckers.

Maybe walt returned from his t'day dinner to find a huge defection and loss of filez and locked down the site?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 28, 05:17:27
Absolut works wonders too.  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: carlydunham on 2008 November 28, 05:20:57
its  gone down for sure maybe to much downloading of the artists own creations?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 05:23:09
Well, if the little bastard has done that, it proves he's nothing but a worthless piece of shit. I won't be surprised to find myself fired at the end of all of this.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: carlydunham on 2008 November 28, 05:25:01
all,i keep getting in firefox is problem loading page


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: scrappysim on 2008 November 28, 05:25:18
I would like to say welcome to all of our new Insim friends.  This totally sucks for you guys and you should feel free to come on over and speak your mind.  Vent it out.  We dont mind.  Get rowdy, Yell, scream, cry but most of all Plan!  This is a great place to sit and think and plan.  It has helped many people in this community to get organized and many new forums and communities have popped up or been reclaimed due to the open and unmoderated planning that can be done here.  If anyone needs any help with any of this just ask.  We are all always willing to help.  You all deserve a break after all the crap you have been dealing with over there what with having to keep the site going without any real support from the owners all this time and now this.  

Anyway,  Welcome and enjoy.  Let us know what we can do.

-jen


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: arrrohina on 2008 November 28, 05:27:12
Rohina burnt them chaavik, plus they leave a bitter taste in your mouth. :D

Vile calumny! I was totally and utterly nice and helpful to Walt, both on InSim and sim wank.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 05:27:52
Well, if the little bastard has done that, it proves he's nothing but a worthless piece of shit. I won't be surprised to find myself fired at the end of all of this.

You can't be fired, you're not getting paid for anything.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Canoodle on 2008 November 28, 05:34:33
There is something I have never really understood.  What do unpaid moderators and admins do it for, unless it is because they like the site owner a lot and want to help them keep the site running?  Why do so many people work as moderators for sites where they say they don't like the owner, or don't approve of all the rules, yet they still work, unrewarded, at enforcing them?   I know the answer you often hear is that the person likes helping users, but they could help the other users without being moderators.   The only thing that moderators can do that non-staff helpful people cannot, is delete posts and reprimand users.

This is not aimed at any individual BTW!

Sorry to dredge this up, seeing as it's 10 pages back, but this struck a nerve with me. I've been a long time lurker and never registered until tonight. I am staff at MTS2, and I must say that Delphy has been nothing but kind, considerate and pro-active since I've been on board. No major changes have ever been made without full staff input.  We aren't paid at MTS2,  but rather do our job for the love of the game and for the site.

My first reaction , when learning the news and how Walt and the prior owners handled it, was absolute bewilderment. I cannot imagine putting my heart and soul into a website, for no pay and very little thanks from the membership, and then having the rug pulled out from under me. I can go to bed at night and sleep tightly knowing that Delphy would never, in a million years, pull a stunt like this nor even consider turning our beloved site into a bloody PaySite.

The whole situation is just pathetic. Prior subscribers who feel ripped off, general users who enjoy the site, and lurkers like me who love to pop on over and see what's going on...we all feel a loss. Not just a loss of faith, but a loss of community. Maybe something good will eventually come out of this. That is what I am praying for.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Chaavik on 2008 November 28, 05:38:22
Hehehe I'll take those evil cookies and leave a morsel on the plate.

Thank you for welcoming us. Who knows what will be there tomorrow when we wake up or come home from work to check?

Canoodle couldn't have said better for how we felt as well as Corinne, Paden and the others here. Yeah, the rug was pulled. To think we would have some sort of input as to the future of the site since the majority of work were done by unpaid mods at the Admin level down to the Mod level to keep the site going for the community, the ones who put in time and energy without asking for anything in return really for the love of the game and community.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 05:40:54
Rohina burnt them chaavik, plus they leave a bitter taste in your mouth. :D

Vile calumny! I was totally and utterly nice and helpful to Walt, both on InSim and sim wank.

Now you have piqued my curiosity, please elaborate further.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 28, 05:46:32
Maybe walt returned from his t'day dinner to find a huge defection and loss of filez and locked down the site?
Actually, it's probably my fault. I kinda aimed download scripts running 7 high-bandwidth machines distributed around the globe at it in an attempt to suck it dry. As a result, it seems to have meltz0red, even though I stopped. :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 05:52:48
You naughty boy! I am so proud of you... :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BoogerNabbingCrust on 2008 November 28, 05:53:26
Rohina burnt them chaavik, plus they leave a bitter taste in your mouth. :D

Vile calumny! I was totally and utterly nice and helpful to Walt, both on InSim and sim wank.
Well dear the first batch of cookies were under cooked, and the second batch tasted salty. I'd rather have rum balls instead.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: arrrohina on 2008 November 28, 05:54:03
Rohina burnt them chaavik, plus they leave a bitter taste in your mouth. :D

Vile calumny! I was totally and utterly nice and helpful to Walt, both on InSim and sim wank.

Now you have piqued my curiosity, please elaborate further.

Sim wank  here (http://community.livejournal.com/sim_wank/8565.html). You even get a mention.

My letter to Walt seems lost for the moment, since Pescado meltzored InSim; rest assured it was a post worthy of my usual brilliance and erudition.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 06:04:16
Yeah, thanks for the treatment. Thing is, when I signed on to do the job, I gave KATHY a promise to be on my best behaviour in order to be able to counter some of the pay site supporters always directing people towards T$R to get things. I was able to direct them to the Booty, with official sanction. Now that she is gone, so is the promise to be on my best. Everyone slips with the language at times. I am no exception. I can think of no one that is an exception. I did, however, enjoy what you had to say to the man.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Shark*Tooth*Hester on 2008 November 28, 06:04:38
So a guy who has nothing to do with the sims and no personal investment in the situation swoops down and buys one of the largest sims communities, which the creators have sold part and parcel without a peep to the mods, users or anyone. Great. (I don't know how anyone could ever trust people in marketing. They only want what they can get out of you and they are horrible at hiding it.) To make things worse he doesn't play video games, so it's abundantly clear this is nothing but opportunity for riches in his greedy little eyes. (Did he really just admit at his age his Mom is bankrolling him? Lollin forever.)

Shame on Kathy and Eric. I know they have friends that will chide me but I wont take that back. If they were sick of the site, there are lots of qualified people in the community they could have turned it over to. If they really did care things wouldn't have been handled this way and there's nothing nice about what's going on right now.  I don't think they'll be back this time. They did this on purpose to flip off the community and make a little extra cash on their way out. This is the way they decided to say goodbye.

Klassy.  ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 06:06:22
Maybe walt returned from his t'day dinner to find a huge defection and loss of filez and locked down the site?
Actually, it's probably my fault. I kinda aimed download scripts running 7 high-bandwidth machines distributed around the globe at it in an attempt to suck it dry. As a result, it seems to have meltz0red, even though I stopped. :P

Just 7?




Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 28, 06:06:53
I know that I would love to see Squinge/Chaavik over at MATY. Kinda like how Lord Darcy has migrated over there. Besides, I think they would receive more respect over there anyways.

Rohina I loved the summary at the end of the Sim Wank. I just don't think Walt realizes the shit he has gotten into. Not only has he managed to piss everyone at InSim off, but pretty much any community involved with InSim as well. Way to go Walt!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 06:08:46

Cause they wanted to say clearly to the community "Fuck you all".  They took some time and effort to set this up - it wasn't as if they weren't looking for someone to buy it.



Ok, this is what I get for spending the day with family.  I miss the ruckus.  Good internets drama, though.

Question:  I must have missed some stuff out there.  Why would Kathy and Eric have this kind of attitude toward the community and their own site?  What is the background that I am missing here?

I'm glad there is no Thanksgiving here - I got all the gawking and drama. :D

Kathy and Eric for about the last year or so just couldn't give a shit - this is how it went last time they returned (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,1871.msg92489.html#msg92489).  And here is a statement made after one of her returns - before she left the last time.

I am fed up with peoples stupidity. If it isn't one thing it is another. Someone faking their death, someone stealing from so and so, someone going to some paysite so they have to be evil now, all anyone in this community thrives on is drama and I am sick of having to deal with it.

There is of course all kinds of statements like this on Insim and Insim Adult, as well as a long discussion on SFV which is now dead, and unavailable for linkage.  Every time they've been questioned about leaving and coming back to ask for money only to leave again, they've acted like the community owes them a lot, but they owe nothing back.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 28, 06:12:48
Well, it's not as ready as I'd like, but seeing as Insim is um...well, melted, I'm launching now. Please forgive the not so fabulously customized theme. I just started setting up the server 4 hours ago, and had to stop several times and reinstall because I kept getting distracted, so it's not done. It will be cleaned up soon. Any/all Insim refugees, and anyone else interested are more than welcome. Right now, our plan is specifically to relaunch the contest section, but we also have general chat sections up and open, and we'll be thinking about whether or not to take on other sections after we see how much interest there is. Check it out.

Sim Oasis (http://forums.sim-oasis.com/index.php)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 28, 06:13:32
I sent a message to Kathy on Myspace. She's likely to not answer, but whatever. Fuck it.

And nice work, Pescado; I couldn't have done better myself.
Nuking things seems to be the only productive thing I've done lately.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 28, 06:17:26

Kathy and Eric for about the last year or so just couldn't give a shit - this is how it went last time they returned (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,1871.msg92489.html#msg92489).  And here is a statement made after one of her returns - before she left the last time.

I love that Kathy said she was anti-drama. That's (almost) the funniest thing I've read all night. What next, Pescado saying he wants Less Fight?

I feel really bad for the people these jerks screwed over. I hope y'all find a home where you're actually treated like human beings next time.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 28, 06:25:47
Googled Walt - for the lulz

http://www.dld2000.com/ (http://www.dld2000.com/)
http://www.uavmedia.net/author1.html (http://www.uavmedia.net/author1.html)

 :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 28, 06:26:29
Saharia the color theme is really nice. Not overpowering, but visually pleasing. Wish we had something like that here.  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Witchboy on 2008 November 28, 06:26:35
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Pictures/INSIMCONNECT.jpg)

I keep getting the lil pop up above in the lower right hand screen everytime i try to access InSim. Is this because Pes nuked it or has Walt Dismal stopped all incoming traffic at Insim?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 06:30:53

Kathy and Eric for about the last year or so just couldn't give a shit - this is how it went last time they returned (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,1871.msg92489.html#msg92489).  And here is a statement made after one of her returns - before she left the last time.

I love that Kathy said she was anti-drama. That's (almost) the funniest thing I've read all night. What next, Pescado saying he wants Less Fight?

Or saying "make love not war". :D I was flabbergasted every time she attested that, because she's always in a shitstorm of drama or arsekissing.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 28, 06:38:32

Kathy and Eric for about the last year or so just couldn't give a shit - this is how it went last time they returned (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,1871.msg92489.html#msg92489).  And here is a statement made after one of her returns - before she left the last time.

I love that Kathy said she was anti-drama. That's (almost) the funniest thing I've read all night. What next, Pescado saying he wants Less Fight?

Or saying "make love not war". :D I was flabbergasted every time she attested that, because she's always in a shitstorm of drama or arsekissing.

Especially considering I first got to know her because she charged in and screamed and swore her head off at Pescado on a site where she hadn't ever posted before iirc.

I'm reading that thread you linked, and I wish I'd known what was going on. I pretty much avoided insim because Kathy rubbed me the wrong way, and also because its "organization" drove me nuts, but I always pretty much thought it was on the side of the righteous. Enayla was there! But the whole "neutrality" thing -- yeah, I think I'll just be "neutral" while my neighbor gets robbed blind.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 28, 06:40:48
Saharia the color theme is really nice. Not overpowering, but visually pleasing. Wish we had something like that here.  ;D

Thanks! It's going to get cleaned up more. I haven't even had time to start on the graphics.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 28, 06:42:56
Yeah - I got here because Hecubus got involved in some Animal Army cases, which led to emailing EA about the legality of PMDB and paysites.  Then, when we couldn't discuss it anymore, its like the AA died.  Since a majority of the theft investigations we got were paysites stealing free creators, I think most of us were varying degrees of anti-paysite.

And not -all- marketers are bad.  In fact, one of my sweethearts has his masters in marketing.  Its not what he does for a living though, and getting him to use his expertise to help me market my skills is like pulling teeth.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 28, 06:47:06
My husband does network marketing using the internet, and I don't think he's a terrible person.  (Granted he thinks Sims is a waste of time.)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 06:47:48
I'm reading that thread you linked, and I wish I'd known what was going on. I pretty much avoided insim because Kathy rubbed me the wrong way, and also because its "organization" drove me nuts, but I always pretty much thought it was on the side of the righteous. Enayla was there! But the whole "neutrality" thing -- yeah, I think I'll just be "neutral" while my neighbor gets robbed blind.

Well I have the advantage of being here every day and much drama gawking.  I hope someone has emailed Enayla - it would be awful to find that she comes back to a lock on her stuff - I know that would really upset her.

Oh, and per Saraswati's post a couple of pages back, Skadi is available for those who want to discuss having their own site - I can honestly say I'm really happy being at Sublime, where there is *truly* no drama.  ;) And all site costs were met earlier this year - so don't worry about that. :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 28, 06:48:57
My husband does network marketing using the internet, and I don't think he's a terrible person.  (Granted he thinks Sims is a waste of time.)

You should kill him and eat him.

I don't think there's anything at all wrong with marketing for legitimate businesses. And, you know, if you're not a total nutcase, like Walt seems to be.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: arrrohina on 2008 November 28, 06:54:21
Walt is apparently marketing air, if you watch his video.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 28, 06:57:22
lol.  The business's he's involved in are all legit, and been going a while.  One of the products is apparently being used in Africa at the moment to cure malaria, and the company's even donating products to the cause.

I'm referring to my husband, not Walt, who seems to be a total airhead himself.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 07:23:51
I wouldn't say he's full of hot air, I would say he is full of methane gas. He's a part of global warning, don't you know?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 28, 07:39:52
I wouldn't say he's full of hot air, I would say he is full of methane gas. He's a part of global warning, don't you know?

Yippee, at last, it's not my hot flashes after all. :-*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: pinkyfriend on 2008 November 28, 07:44:42
Didn't think I was ever going to get to the end of this as it just kept growing! Paden, I feel really bad for you & the other staff/creators at Insim. I don't know Kathy & Eric at all and even tho I am a member at Insim, I rarely post, do not use the Insiminator, and only went there for downloads. I think it is really shitty to treat people who are supposed to be your friends and who they apparently relied on for much of the maintenance of their site in such a way that they did. This guy Walt is truly a clueless dipshit! I'm not even sure Delphy could save the site now, but hey there are lots of other free sites where the creators can upload their content. This seems to be a good place for people to look for a new home...people here from lots of other forums. I just want to say good luck to any that have pulled their content from Insim. A good thing to come from this already is that it seems to have pulled a lot of the community together...just a really crappy way for it to happen. Also, gotta say that I was irritated that I could not pull up Insim...until I read that Pescado sizzled it. Then I just LMAO!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BoogerNabbingCrust on 2008 November 28, 07:47:59
Walt is apparently marketing air, if you watch his video.

I didn't watch it, he seems like a bore.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SynapticSim on 2008 November 28, 08:05:38
I'm not sure how much validity we can place in this, but I remembered here at work that I had this website value calculator saved in my favorites.  I plugged in InSim and InSimAdult and this was the result:

http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.insimenator.net

http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.insimadult.net

But a combined estimated worth of $137,196.20 is outrageous considering the donation drives.  And a combined Daily Ad Revenue of $187.94 just adds to that.  Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but is that number saying that in a month you could make $5,638.20 (based on 187.94 x 30 Days).  And the combined page views of 61,703 seems more in line with what Delphy and Pescado has posted earlier.  Maybe InSim IS a cash cow afterall.  Damn Walt for thinking of this take over first, lol.

I don't know if the website value calculator can be verified or not, I suppose a site owner that knows his financials could see how accurate it was.

Anyhow, just found this interesting, and like before in the interest of staying informed, decided to share it with y'all.

~ Syn

PS - Thanx for the welcome btw.  I was kinda looking forward to the newbie macros though.  :'(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 08:17:31
I don't know that that's very accurate - here's what is says about Sublime:

Quote
Net Worth : $3686.5 Last updated 48 Days ago
Daily Pageview : 1212
Daily Ads Revenue : $5.05


We don't have ads on Sublime. So I'd say it's just a complicated algorithm that takes into account page rank etc. and what you *could* be making.

PS - Thanx for the welcome btw.  I was kinda looking forward to the newbie macros though.  :'(

Much obliged good sir, here you go:

(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/673/roflbot55os9.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SynapticSim on 2008 November 28, 08:28:32
Thanx for checking that out Calalily.  What you said makes total sense.  And also thanx for the cute kitty.  I feel all warm and gooey now.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 28, 08:30:17
Saharia , your forum looks gorgeous.. Really visually appealing and pleasant looking.
And I am so glad we don't have ads on Sublime.. they annoy the life out of me (I hate those ads on the top of Insim) We don't have a need to have extra cash coming in the door, our hosting is covered..


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: eph on 2008 November 28, 08:31:34
Since she was mentioned a page back - has someone who knows her tried to contact Enayla? Maybe she wants to pull her stuff too.

Geez, I don't even play Sims2 but this still upsets me greatly. I wish all refugees good luck in finding a comfy new place for their creations.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 08:33:34
I have been trying to say for years that it is possible for every creator to have their own free (limited) or pocket-money (almost unlimited) site for their creations and not to need any donation drive ever!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 28, 08:39:24
Saharia , your forum looks gorgeous.. Really visually appealing and pleasant looking.
Thank you very much! I still have plans to fiddle with a bunch of stuff and customize the theme some more. And I need to quit slacking and make a splash page for the main site. :P I just feel anti photoshop tonight.

Since she was mentioned a page back - has someone who knows her tried to contact Enayla? Maybe she wants to pull her stuff too.

I don't know if anyone has contacted her, but I know she has a lot of health problems, so she might not even be able to respond for quite a while if someone was able to let her know.  :(



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 28, 08:50:13
I have been trying to say for years that it is possible for every creator to have their own free (limited) or pocket-money (almost unlimited) site for their creations and not to need any donation drive ever!

Ehh that last part I don't know entirely. Even the cheezserver and MTS2 has a donation drive every once in a while. Difference between cheezserver/MTS2 and InSim? They know exactly what they need, and ask for donations for the next year. So you only donate once a year, plus they have updates as they reach their goal. So  you don't continue to blindly donate until their pockets are lined. InSim on the other hand, Kathy and Eric would only pop in every once in a while and beg for donations in an unreasonable time frame.

In a sense, if it's a small server you wouldn't need donation drives. But once you hit the size of MTS2 or PMBD/MATY, one person can't afford it all. But I'm 99% of the community doesn't mind donating once a year to a cause, as opposed to every other year. Plus in lieu of all the financial information that has been revealed, it seems Kathy and Eric have been making a profit on InSim, or lied to Walt to make a profit selling it. Either way, they made a profit off of the good will of their members.

So not only have they abandoned their forum, members, and their family, they have basically said a big fuck you to everyone there. And honestly this Walt character isn't helping.

If he has every intent on keep InSim I think he needs to get into a chat with Delphy and Pes and discuss how to stream line InSim to reduce running costs, and how to make it more appealing to try and build a fan base if that's his goal. If not, he might as well sell it to Delphy. Because option A. Trying to fix InSim with knowledge of other people will cost him money, but not as much money as he wants to spend. Plus not only would InSim run better, members would be happier with having greater access to the website, and be happier that he isn't going to have a sub based system. Option B. will give him the profit in the end. Delphy has already made it sound like he is willing to pay whatever is necessary to get InSim, so Walt could actually end up striking a profit. Then he wouldn't have mad ravaging Sims fans wanting to rip his balls off, put them in a blender, and shove them down his throat as a protein drink.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Vod Kaknockers on 2008 November 28, 08:59:20
Add me to the list of people not surprised that Kathy and Eric sold the site in such a way.  You could tell there were storm clouds on the horizon.  I'm sorry they've had personal issues, but they're not alone.  It really doesn't excuse letting the site languish for a year, in spite of numerous offers of help, and then selling it without so much as a how-do-you-do.  Their site, they can do as they want - true enough.  My money - I can do what I want with it just as easily.

I'm not keen on Walt's condescending little posts and my monthly sub is soon to be canceled.  I never liked being threatened with site closure by Kathy after just paying out my sub money, but taking what I'm giving, begging for more and then dismissing my contribution is just not worth it.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Elphaba on 2008 November 28, 09:01:46
8 extra pages since I last looked, serves me right for going to sleep, eh? Ah well, back at work now so have plenty of time to browse the site (I swear lately that's all I do here...)

Anyhoo to a point which I do have,, in fact two, both relating to my housemate. My housemate works for an insurance company whose bosses have decided to get out of the UK financial market while they still can and are selling. They told the employees it might be happening months ago, then told the shareholders, then told them officially it was happening a few weeks ago, and the sale won't go through for another couple of months yet. That's the process you HAVE to go through in a proper business and if K&E were professionals they should have gone through something similiar (told the mods way in advance then told the community BEFORE handing over the reigns). This cutting and running is almost childish.

The second point is when I tried to explain briefly to my housemate what was going on here, this then led to me trying to explain the sims 2 community as a whole, something which I utterly failed at. How do you explain what sort of positions Delphy and Pes have? I ended up with 'you may not agree with them, like them, or do what they say but you have to respect that they have a position in the community that you can't ignore and have for some time... this new guy can't come in and assume he'll have a similar or better position just ebcause he owns a site, even if he knows such positions exist...' acommapnied with much arm flailing as I find it hard to express myself.
Basically I got a blank look. My housemate doesn't play sims or take any part in any gaming community, but she is familiar with online communitiesn so she's kind of in a similar position to Walt.
If we had been told that this was about to happen we in the sim community probably could have predicted one or two of the things that have happened because we understand the groundwork. But there's no way Walt could ahve seen any of this coming, and probably doesn't understand why it has happened. He's probably got that same blank look. it's not him thinking 'why won't they like me?!!!' or 'why won't they give me monies!!!' it's 'what the heck is going on?'
Sorry, have gone on. Will summarise. We Simmers are a strange lot. You've got to be us to understand us. Sorry Walt but you really should have lurked for about... what do guys think, year? two?... before trying to step in and take over a huge chunk of a community.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: carlydunham on 2008 November 28, 09:02:16
its still down


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Craftingmomma on 2008 November 28, 09:11:33
Walt has made such a bad first impression, he may as well sell.  He came in all condensing, threatening to make the adult site pay and other things.  It is hard to change a bad first impression and takes lots of time.  Good old Walt doesn't have the time.  I've canceled my donation and will not donate to that air bag.  Have a feeling he thought he bought the creations, too bad.  Hope that all creators pull their content.

Lulz with what Pescado did, but slightly ticked as was posting at Insimadult when it went down.  :P

And Paden I'm so sorry for what you are going through.  Was not right what Kathy and Eric did.  I had posted at main site that while I appreciate what they have given to the community, was totally wrong to sell to someone outside the community.  Guess they got blinded by the $.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 28, 09:16:04
I predict Witless Walt Dismal's next move his own reality show. "How to KILL a forum in 48 hours or less."


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 28, 09:20:13
 :D Blue! I wish I could be a "fly on the wall" when he logs on tomorrow and finds it crashed.  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 09:20:47
In a sense, if it's a small server you wouldn't need donation drives. But once you hit the size of MTS2 or PMBD/MATY, one person can't afford it all.

That's exactly what I am saying.   Look at how the large sites that take uploads from large numbers of creators have shifted the cost burden from creator to downloader.  Many people will obviously think that is only fair - so I am not knocking it.  Just observing.

I pay $7 a month for space I choose to use to enable me to share what I make (you can pay less but I have very good quality hosting).  No one told me to make it or share it, so I don't want to ask anyone else to pay my hosting costs.   A metaphor:  If I have a houseparty and invite guests, I expect to pay for the food and drink according to what I choose to give my guests, not charge them for it.   The nice thing is my guests will invite me to their parties too, and I won't have to pay for what I eat there, either.   So in the end it all evens up.   If one of my neighbors couldn't afford their own party, I might tell them to invite their family to mine, and celebrate there (eg sharing my space with other creators)

To continue the metaphor, the large sites are as if instead of having a normal houseparty in my own home, and letting my neighbor invite her family, I let *all* my neighbors invite their families.  Then I find my house is no longer large enough and I cannot afford to buy food and drink for all the guests who will come.  I now need to hire a hall, and get caterers in.  Now I can't afford it myself, so I have to ask the guests to pay for tickets or put money into a whip-round.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 28, 09:21:56
I think that this guy's (Walt) worst decision wasn't buying a site not knowing its fiscal condition. His worst decision was buying a site without knowing anything about the fan base he was aiming at. How ridiculous is it to asume that the simming community would welcome you with open arms just cause you bought up one of the biggest sites but never actually bothered reading up on it ?

As to his claim of 400.000 members? I've been a member of InSim for two years, I have never posted and certainly have never donated. I joined up to get Insiminator, but promptly got rid of it due to tight pants issues. I looked over Enayla's section but actually got the genetisised skins off Mme Mim's site. So seeing as I never actually used the site, why should I donate? K&E I have never spoken to and they were rather ambiguous as to their stance on Pay vs Free, so why should I support them? I am one of the thousands of transients that Walt hoppes to lure in by offering Ad-free site access and alienating all his CC creators and staff?

And finally if you don't play the actual game what's the reason to invest in anything assosiated with it? I mean even Delphy used to play it way back when and I'm sure Pescado fires it up, even if it's only to test out his stuffeths.

Just my two cents on the whole matter. (I didn't have internet connection for a week and I come back finding this whole mess and the BBS fiasco at the same time. I spent two days lurking and reading :P)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 28, 09:25:38
And finally if you don't play the actual game what's the reason to invest in anything assosiated with it? I mean even Delphy used to play it way back when and I'm sure Pescado fires it up, even if it's only to test out his stuffeths.

Pescado plays. You should check out Awesomeland sometime. Pretty funny.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 28, 09:30:11
I'd actually join Maty keirra, if the damned site didn't insist that my I.P. already has an account there  ;D I'd love to find yet another forum to luuurk Moar in  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 09:32:46
Assuming Walt is genuinely who he appears to be, I reckon he's not guilty of much more than naivety, so I am not gonna give him a hard time.  It's Kathy and Eric who have let us down as members of the community.  I won't put it more strongly than that, having calmed down overnight.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 28, 09:46:29
I'd actually join Maty keirra, if the damned site didn't insist that my I.P. already has an account there  ;D I'd love to find yet another forum to luuurk Moar in  ;D
You apparently share an ISP with a serial troll of old. I have removed the block now.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 28, 09:50:40
Baaaaaaaaa! (promise to never thank you. Oh wait I just did, didn't I ?)  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: jokerswild on 2008 November 28, 10:14:24
Lotta reading. I'm not surprised this happened. I've been pissed about the adult site for a long time now. I tried to help the site with suggestions. Even kept them in a PM to an admin at first since some of the information might embarrass the owners and staff, till they blew them off. Then I posted about it hoping someone else with the power to update the old text and it was promptly moved so no members could NOT see it or so I was told. Couple of pms later that contained rules I had never heard of and that changed both replies. I  was sent this quoted statement.

"please dont tell us how to run our site.
you have already told me about this and now you post it in the forum.  i can only assume you are trying to cause some trouble.
how and when things are delt with on this site is none of your concern.  please refrain from trying to pick a public fight."

Right I was trying to pick a fight by trying to make the site a bit cleaner. Might make perfect sense if I hit myself in the head with a hammer till I'm brain dead but most likely not.

What did I say that got that response? I told them that the updates above the various forum areas where months out of date. I figured I had a right to point that out considering I posted something new there. Add to the fact it made many of the forum areas look dead with the bold text saying it hadn't had posts in months. The other was questions and suggestions about the "Featured Downloads" and what qualified one to get top billing over another. It went from having your own area there to being a mod. I gave up trying to talk with that Admin and emailed Kathy.

And just what did that say? I had offended Kathy because she had spent hours updating the site. Also told there was no difference in the "Featured Downloads". What? Then why were they separated in categories and stacked one above the other? Guess I'll never know because you can't talk to some people, so I gave up before I was accused of plotting the end of the world.

Sites like these aren't crap without members and contributors. Yet if you didn't have your own area or a member of a clique the most support you would get from staff was a generic "Awesome Thanks" post. However if you were one of their special ones your got actual comments about your work.

Now I read that the site might have been and may continue using contributions as "cash cows". I'm really ticked off. I take no pride in saying that we've been one payment from homeless for several months.  If anyone gets money from the stuff we made then the creators should be the first in line but none of us asked for it. We made what we made for the community for free.

If it's gone it's gone then I don't have to worry about it. But I have no home for my work and my project will die.

I was also posting at the adult site finally getting things off my chest till it exploded. Maybe that was for the best since one pissed off Irish, English, Black Dutch and Apache was about to go postal.

The admin I mentioned will probably reply. They're popular so I'll probably be attacked by some clique they belong to. If so I hope they enjoy themselves.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: gayle_afcb on 2008 November 28, 10:17:02
saraswati, the reason that I don't allow guests into my site is because I'm anal-retentive and some members would forget to log in, so I was getting "Guest" posts all over the site, with no way of knowing who said what.  I'm sure there's a way I could fix this better, but I needed a quick fix for it.  But I will look into a better solution.

~ Syn

Hey Syn

I'd suggest going to a two-teired thing.. Maybe having a spot that's open to guests that just for downloads only, or a preview gallery? People probably just want to be able to see what they're going to download or get an idea of what's on offer before they log in.. I actually checked out your stuff on MTS and liked the look of it. But like many others I'm often horribly busy (in my case running Reclaim Your Game and creating for Skadi) and I don't have time to commit to posting on another forum just to get downloads.

I will also mention that I can't speak for Skadi or what she'd offer an individual person.. but she's set up free subdomains for people before if she gets on well with them. And our hosting on Sublime is set up for the next two and a half years, so it ensures a site is up for a long time. And you can ask Cala and Hec about what kind of host Skadi is if you want to check things out first..  ;) And we've also got a nice, friendly site if people decide they want to talk to Skadi about maybe just uploading their stuff to Sublime..

What I'm comforted about is that all of the people who're leaving Insim at the moment will have multiple options to find new homes or places to share their stuff.. it's a disaster but it shows we've still got a good, strong community even at this point. :)

Kath

Just to add to the sublime offer, we also have a few spare free sub domains and can assist in helping people who need a new home. (Either on a sub domain, the main site or the forum). Our hosting is paid up for another 9 months or so and I am saving up myself for next years hosting and will have the funds prior to it becoming an issue. If anyone wants our help just speak to me, HugeLunatic or Dinad.

Sorry all of you are going through this :(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: funkybunk on 2008 November 28, 10:18:02
Slightly off-topic: My grandfather and uncle are both named Walt. Grandpa is a retired lawyer and uncle is a farmer. They are both gigantic douche bags.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 28, 10:36:13
Straw poll here:

What would people say to an alternate copy of Insim, only with a few slight differences, such as, say, different domain, being ruled by me, and having 100% less Walt?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 28, 10:37:01
Just to answer a question earlier - while I am interested in getting InSim, I'm not going to pay a ton of money for it.  My current estimate of what Kathy and Eric sold it for is somewhere between $5k and $10k and quite frankly I don't think the site is worth that in money terms.  While I know I may have annoyed some insim people by saying that, I also know that the community as a whole would probably go "Err, what? HOW MUCH?!" if they where asked to foot some of that bill.  I guess if you include the community and everything too then it could be worth that theorectically - but I don't like putting monetary value on a *fansite* - it just doesn't seem right.  (Yes I know thats a bit contradictory but I guess it's more of a "I don't like putting THAT much monetary value on a fansite")


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 28, 10:41:59
$5k-$10k? Oh yea, Walt was so duped!

100% less Walt? Yes please! But not sure how some would take being ruled by you Pes :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 28, 10:46:59
Well, a lot of people are already accustomed to living under my shadow as it is. But hey, there are drawbacks to it. It is also one of several warplans currently being kicked around.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 10:53:23
What would people say to an alternate copy of Insim, only with a few slight differences, such as, say, different domain, being ruled by me, and having 100% less Walt?

That would be fine with me - but it's the creators that really matter.  Also, the 12s are scared of you, and may choose different chat forum alternatives rather than taking the chance of being harangued.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: deathtowalt on 2008 November 28, 11:04:58
As you can see by my username I'm all for 100% less Walt. I'm one of the recently shit on mods over there and I can't express how pissed I am, not so much at Walt because he's just a fudipshit trying to make a quick buck that was sold a white elephant by K & E. My real complaint is them and how they said nothing to my knowledge to anyone and just waltzed, if you'll pardon the expression.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 28, 11:06:01
Yeah, I'm not so fond of 12s either. My plan would just be to have the surviving staff elect a deputy and then let them do their thing, much like the other sites I own now. I might occasionaly deign to show up and demand a sacrifice. But as a whole, I am pretty disinterested.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 11:06:18
I think it would be the greatest satire of all time.  I don't know if it would be the best thing to happen to the community, but very entertaining nonetheless :)

Or maybe Pescado would show us he is capable of being sort of normal in some contexts?

Edit:  Yep - see Pescado's post that nipped in just before this.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 11:11:19
Yeah, I'm not so fond of 12s either. My plan would just be to have the surviving staff elect a deputy and then let them do their thing, much like the other sites I own now. I might occasionaly deign to show up and demand a sacrifice. But as a whole, I am pretty disinterested.

I think if you made it clear that you were just going to set it up and be as hands off as you are now (apart from dropping in to call them buttmonkeys if they break something) I think there would be wholehearted interest - and if Walt sees that all is lost to your mirror, he may just sell it to Delphy at a heavily discounted price. :D

As you can see by my username I'm all for 100% less Walt. I'm one of the recently shit on mods over there and I can't express how pissed I am, not so much at Walt because he's just a fudipshit trying to make a quick buck that was sold a white elephant by K & E.

I lolled at it when I saw it in the latest member thingie.  Sorry Kathy and Eric are dicks.  :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: gayle_afcb on 2008 November 28, 11:14:33
Straw poll here:

What would people say to an alternate copy of Insim, only with a few slight differences, such as, say, different domain, being ruled by me, and having 100% less Walt?

It would get the thumbs up from me.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: deathtowalt on 2008 November 28, 11:20:27
I've lurked here forever on many a night reading various threads and laughing my ass off at times but learning a hell of a lot about the community at large at the same time. I know you don't take kindly to noobs in the ol' pirate's den so I've always been hesitent but as this topic here has really got my blood to boiling I thought that there was no time like the present.

I wouldn't be against a plan like you're describing Pescado but I certainly can't speak for any other staff there. Now, with the servers "meltz0red" it's going to be pretty damn hard to get any kind of word out to some of the fellow staff or members that may be sympathetic to that option. The worst part of the whole thing is that I know creators/staff that were trying to get items of their own off of both site to make backups of their creations that now can't get to them.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 28, 11:24:41
I know you don't take kindly to noobs in the ol' pirate's den so I've always been hesitent but as this topic here has really got my blood to boiling I thought that there was no time like the present.

Yes we hate n00bs but not Newbs. There's a difference.  ;D You don't post like a n00b, that's all that matters.  ;)

ETA: Welcome to the dark side.  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 28, 11:26:19
I wouldn't be against a plan like you're describing Pescado but I certainly can't speak for any other staff there. Now, with the servers "meltz0red" it's going to be pretty damn hard to get any kind of word out to some of the fellow staff or members that may be sympathetic to that option. The worst part of the whole thing is that I know creators/staff that were trying to get items of their own off of both site to make backups of their creations that now can't get to them.
And now you know exactly why the servers are meltz0red. It's like a bank run.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: lewisb on 2008 November 28, 11:58:27
Straw poll here:

What would people say to an alternate copy of Insim, only with a few slight differences, such as, say, different domain, being ruled by me, and having 100% less Walt?

I don't say much, but I must put in a vote of yea. It will be more comfortable than what is available now. What exactly would be the "slight differences" other than the domain?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SnarkyShark on 2008 November 28, 12:05:04
Straw poll here:

What would people say to an alternate copy of Insim, only with a few slight differences, such as, say, different domain, being ruled by me, and having 100% less Walt?

Speaking as a casual visitor to that site, I like the idea. I'm guessing that the desperation donation drives would come to an end and people could actually visit the site without feeling guilty.

I'm also curious as to what would become of the actual InSiminator hack. Now that the expansions have (I believe) run out, does it get left behind in Walt's world or would it make the transition as well?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 12:16:47
Normally I respect even paysite owners' copyrights.  But Eric diddled people who could hardly afford it out of THOUSANDS of dollars using emotional blackmail and lies.  I say put the InSimenator anywhere we like.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 28, 12:20:51
I'm also curious as to what would become of the actual InSiminator hack. Now that the expansions have (I believe) run out, does it get left behind in Walt's world or would it make the transition as well?

If Eric has washed his hands of the actual InSIM and not the site, then it would make sense to take over the project and see if anyone else would be able to work on it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 28, 12:23:37
Straw poll here:

What would people say to an alternate copy of Insim, only with a few slight differences, such as, say, different domain, being ruled by me, and having 100% less Walt?

100% less Walt, and you in charge Pescado, you have my vote.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: carlydunham on 2008 November 28, 12:29:17
i still  cant get into insim has it been pulled? or is walt doing those supposed changes?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 28, 12:40:32
nah, Pescado did what Pescado does best.  And I don't have that much of a Pescado ruled Insim - a better alternative to Waltster and day.  Insim was a good site.  Its sad to see it go this way, all because some outsider chooses to take it over and run it as if it was a business, totally disrespecting the people who work for it and access it.  Hardly a good way to run any sort of a business really.  He is definitely a major dickhead.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 28, 12:43:54
i still  cant get into insim has it been pulled? or is walt doing those supposed changes?
Insim meltz0r3d because I tried to snarf all the stuff at once. We are waiting for Walt to reboot it so I can try to snarf it again. Eventually I will either have it, or the site will be reduced to molten slag by my attempts to do so. :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: carlydunham on 2008 November 28, 12:46:18
ohhh i see well good on ya ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paleoanth on 2008 November 28, 13:35:59
Insim meltz0r3d because I tried to snarf all the stuff at once. We are waiting for Walt to reboot it so I can try to snarf it again. Eventually I will either have it, or the site will be reduced to molten slag by my attempts to do so. :P

So you were just trying to download everything at once to back it up or were you deliberately trying to shut the place down?  Because I might be ostracized for saying this, but the latter is kind of low. 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Algaliarept on 2008 November 28, 13:44:58
And so begins my excellent first post...

Straw poll here:

What would people say to an alternate copy of Insim, only with a few slight differences, such as, say, different domain, being ruled by me, and having 100% less Walt?

You've got my (insignificant, I'm sure) vote.

My current estimate of what Kathy and Eric sold it for is somewhere between $5k and $10k

And I'm afraid that makes Walt pretty much a dumbass, QED. I'm still reeling from reading 25 pages of this thread , but I can definitely join in with hoping Mr W returns to find his "investment" gone belly-up like he was the MD of Lehman Bros.  :P

I never went to InSim other than to lurk and snatch downloads (yeah, that annoying "You've never posted to InSim before, please post!" was always at the top of my pages), but having been involved in a site of similar magnitude to MTS2 in the past (not Sims related) which had the previous owners sell to another bunch of people only interested in making money off it while I was one of the staff, I can at least guess how you all are feeling. As far as I'm aware (I have not been there for a couple of years), the change in hands of owners meant that all the people really interested in the subject left and the staff members were left with only the dreaded 12s.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 28, 13:46:47
From what I understand, not only was pescado trying to get as much as possible, creators from insim were also trying to grab their stuff, which was a bit much for the site.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 13:54:53
Insim meltz0r3d because I tried to snarf all the stuff at once. We are waiting for Walt to reboot it so I can try to snarf it again. Eventually I will either have it, or the site will be reduced to molten slag by my attempts to do so. :P

So you were just trying to download everything at once to back it up or were you deliberately trying to shut the place down?  Because I might be ostracized for saying this, but the latter is kind of low. 

Back it up - although he never said explicitly so here - but did at GoS:

So this is like an epic battle now, eh?? :biggrin:
Well, not really. I was trying to back up everything, not specifically meltz0r the servers.

http://www.digitalperversion.net/gardenofshadows/index.php?topic=7852.msg235718#msg235718


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 13:56:19
As well as all us just-plain members hopping on and off and hammering the refresh key to read the latest :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paleoanth on 2008 November 28, 13:58:54
Insim meltz0r3d because I tried to snarf all the stuff at once. We are waiting for Walt to reboot it so I can try to snarf it again. Eventually I will either have it, or the site will be reduced to molten slag by my attempts to do so. :P

So you were just trying to download everything at once to back it up or were you deliberately trying to shut the place down?  Because I might be ostracized for saying this, but the latter is kind of low. 

Back it up - although he never said explicitly so here - but did at GoS:

So this is like an epic battle now, eh?? :biggrin:
Well, not really. I was trying to back up everything, not specifically meltz0r the servers.

http://www.digitalperversion.net/gardenofshadows/index.php?topic=7852.msg235718#msg235718

Ah ha! I didn't go there.  OK, carry on then.  Honestly, that makes me feel much better.  Sorry to have doubted you Pes.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 14:00:46
He's a bastard but not a low-down bastard  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 28, 14:05:25
Aye, beneath that tough fire and brimstone exterior he's all soft an' warm an' fuzzy  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Light_Angel on 2008 November 28, 14:07:04
To Pescado:  Baaaaaaah!

I was pretty sure it was Walt had decided to pull the servers... but glad to see everything's being backed up.  I'm full of phail and forgot to get other things I needed backups of off of there last night.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 28, 14:08:17
Well, no, I was *TRYING* to back everything up, but the CHEEZSERVER IS MELTZ0R3d.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Light_Angel on 2008 November 28, 14:10:19
Ah... well, even if it doesn't work, the bleating still applies.   ;)

*Edit because what I had earlier made little sense.*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 28, 14:10:44
Excuse the stupid question, but what the hell is the cheezserver anyway?



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: karu on 2008 November 28, 14:15:52
Just one question Pes...  what happens to PMBD, MATY & mirror Insim if you kick the bucket?  Is it all lost foreverz?   ???


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 14:21:30
Presumably Mrs Thumbscrews has instructions who to hand it on to.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Amazone on 2008 November 28, 14:27:50
Straw poll here:

What would people say to an alternate copy of Insim, only with a few slight differences, such as, say, different domain, being ruled by me, and having 100% less Walt?

You are serious about it, so i vote yes for YOU!! But let me have my sexy feets for heavens sake, i am in troubble here  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: froggysim on 2008 November 28, 14:34:44
Straw poll here:

What would people say to an alternate copy of Insim, only with a few slight differences, such as, say, different domain, being ruled by me, and having 100% less Walt?

You have my vote here (yes, I know, not that it matters). But still... more Pes = more awesome ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tchannie on 2008 November 28, 14:42:11
Like I said on GoS, you have my vote too, Oh Powerful Leader.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 28, 14:45:01
Straw poll here:

What would people say to an alternate copy of Insim, only with a few slight differences, such as, say, different domain, being ruled by me, and having 100% less Walt?

I'd say aye, but make the slight differences a little less slight. I'm one of those people who really only went there for the downloads, but finding them was a bit of a pain. I'm a hit&run kind of downloader: browse all the pages and snag what I want, going by preview pictures, the MTS2 way (I suppose). At Insim, you basically had to know what you wanted before you got there and then start looking for it. Maybe I was being a doofus, but navigating that site gave me a headache.

100% less Walt and maybe 99% less guilt trips? Yes plx.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: missangelica on 2008 November 28, 14:48:55
Wow, I'm late to the party.

I can't say I'm surprised that this happened.  They've had their feet out the door for so long that it seemed like an eventuality to me.  I stopped using Insimenator back when OFB was released because even then Eric was bitchy and slow about having to update Insim after every expansion.  Kathy was already "done" with the drama and had ongoing health problems.  One day she left the social irc channel and never came back.

*glomps whiterider, delphy and hystericalparoxysm*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 15:02:11
Yes to the annexation of more provincial territories and besides some form of order would be in well, order. Oh ya and ixnay on the inkyblays!




Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 15:10:12
ixany ixon hupcl?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 28, 15:18:33
Is this going to be like the time we all started speaking in binary for some reason?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 28, 15:21:03
01001111 01100110 00100000 01100011 01101111 01110101 01110010 01110011 01100101 00100000 01000100 01100101 01110110 01101001 01101100 01100110 01101001 01110011 01101000 00100001


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 28, 15:31:56
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn130/BlueMoon1958/PWND.jpg)

The devil made me do this, honest he did.  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lorelei on 2008 November 28, 15:38:56
I feel confident that Glorious Leader will manage to snarfle all relevant booty, and that nothing of importance will be lost.

What little contact I had with kathy was here, and I liked her fine, aside from the incessant BANOOBIE-type talk, but the excuses and money-grubbing donation drives did get a bit old, especially when questions were raised months ago about the amount requested and the frequency of the begging, and then the PMBD censoring on INSIM.

I'm torn between simply quietly P&Ling at Walt from afar, and rushing out to get marshmallows for the inevitable burnination in effigy.

Also, kittun macro above reminds me of my two fuzzies scrapping, a sample of which can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGW4XB26QLQ
No ferrets were injured in the making of this video.

Cheers! *blows dust off of rum and vodka bottles I hid in my secret cache when Real Life got hectic and I had to wander off the ship* GLUG!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 28, 15:59:33
That would be awesome - and we'd get Insim and a new simspage as well [or two.]  Oasis is really well laid out for a baby site.

Questions, Pes - one, do you want the stuff people yoinked before you tried to acquire it all?  Two, do you plan on letting folks who had sections there but deleted them to keep their stuff from becoming potentially pay, have their sections back?

It was always nice to have a place to check for new things when some of the creators's main sites were down.

And I'd like to thank everyone who is showing their generous natures by being supportive on this, as well as offering various other alternatives.  Makes me feel like I've drank all the rum just seeing it.  I personally wasn't that close to K&E and I feel smacked in the face, and I know it has t be much harder for those who thought of them as close friends. *passes around rum and popcorn*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: tsahnas on 2008 November 28, 16:07:45
Im on board. I would be happy if anyone got the site back, even with a few new features.

and Hale yes, good rum indeed!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: LDE on 2008 November 28, 16:24:46
The whole situation is utterly comical to me. You have K&E who may or may not have lied to everyone up to and including staff,members, new guy, all world leaders and the guys out orbiting the planet. You have New guy who has 0 idea what a "fansite" is and as such spouted off "blah blah business, blah blah revenue..MOMMY!!!". And the resulting uproar (heard by the aforementioned astronauts) followed by yoinking of creations, yelling, crying and door slamming.  and then as the cherry on top we have good ole' Pescados backing up efforts  kersploding the server like a bottle rocket up a cats butt....

As sad as it is to watch it crash and burn, it has also been highly entertaining from an outside stand point. I feel for the staff/members for the loss of their home away from home, but you must remember "even during the great depression people needed entertainment!" (paraphrasing, of course)

The refusal to discuss financial matters in a public forum is absurd. If I donate to (insert any donation funded entity here) I can get all info about how much they've received, what it was used for and how much more they need...heck I can get that if I donate to the local high school booster club begging outside the Walmart. The whole thing just obscene.


*goes back to lurking quietly*




Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 28, 16:34:30
LDE, I think that was the thing that annoyed me the most. How does that work? In chronological order, this seems to be the bussiness plan Walt follows:

1) Ask for money from members
2) Brush off financial 'scandal' these members were involved in
3) Tell members they have no bussiness asking about said money
4) Ask for more money from members
5)  ? ? ?
6) PROFIT!

What the fuckity fuck? I'd love to see the bussiness school he attended so I can go wallop them all with a rotten shark. Idiot.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lethe on 2008 November 28, 16:36:02
He could just be utterly embarassed about how much he paid for the site,
now that it turns out it was probably too much.
It doesn't exactly make him look like a savvy businessman.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 28, 16:40:06
Possibly. But I think he just expected to step in as CEO and is now having a WTF moment while the people he thought were his employees (or slaves, since he bought the package fair and square) are throwing a stink-fest at his wicked ways.

I think it's becoming obvious that he overpaid, by a lot. I'd still prefer it if he counted his losses and sold to Delphy for peanuts. At least he could pay his mom back then. Poor dear. Alternatively, having PESCADO: THE DESTROYER OF SERVERS rule the place sounds like it would be a shark-filled blast.

We'll see. I just hope Insim comes back for now, so at least everyone there can say goodbye and take their toys to a better playground.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 28, 16:55:10
Whoops I misunderstood you Quorneater, my apologies. I wouldn't have any problem with InSim2 by Pes, my only question would be, is someone/has someone gotten into contact with the creators to see how they feel about it?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 28, 17:00:36
Now that Insim has apparently gone kaboom, it's getting hard to contact anyone. They all ran in different directions. It's the Great Insim Diaspora of 2009. Lovely.

But I agree, if anyone knows how to contact them without going through Insim, it would be fair to let them know of this. I imagine not everyone would be pleased with a Pescado owned Insim.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 17:06:39
I just can't get over just *how* out of order it was for K&E to "sell" the site when apart from one or two small downloads it was totally the work and copyright of the unpaid contributors!  It wasn't even theirs to sell, only the domain was.  They didn't even own the server.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ashbashtus on 2008 November 28, 17:10:57
Just one question Pes...  what happens to PMBD, MATY & mirror Insim if you kick the bucket?  Is it all lost foreverz?   ???

I don't think a bucket would stick around long enough for Pes to kick it  ::)
I vote yes to a Pescado-owned InSim. At least most of the sheeples and twelves will stay away. Also, anything with 100% less Walt is excellent in my book. Just his picture bugs me. It probably has to do with his stained restoration so he has two different colored front teeth. Dental Education? I haz one :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 28, 17:31:15
100% less Walt is very appealing. What really matters is what the creators think. Both Pescado and Delphy have their un-fans, but I think that either of them could take over as long as they didn't turn it into MATY or MTS2.

I think Inge Quorneater is right though. Mega-sites are problematic just like mega-corporations: when they crash and burn, there's lots of collateral damage. If everyone had their own low or no cost site, with some central locations for tutorials and such, things would run a lot more smoothly.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 17:44:50
Actually regardless of how we feel about them cluttering up our boards with WTF's and ZOMG's , 12's have every much of a right and a need of a place to go as we do. And InSim was that place for many of them. In a certain way I almost feel the most sorry for them in this whole situation. The bigger creators and modders will find a new home and people will follow them there. Plus I'm assuming they have all of their work backed up so nothing is really lost. But it would be a drag if all the self sims, hunks, babes, lots, recolours, etc. that the younger members made and were proud of were all lost. So i hope Pez grabs those also.

They may be annoying sometimes and hard for us to comprehend, but you know what they're players too. They need a place to go and communicate and share stuff, and learn stuff, and quite frankly just be 12's with other 12's. The great thing about InSim was the mix of members there, you had the newer players who were just learning and the older more knowledgeable players helping them out. And doing it very patiently and without judgment. (and that's not easy sometimes) It's a stage they have to go through and InSim provided the environment to do that for many. It wasn't for everybody but that doesn't mean it didn't serve a purpose.




Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 17:51:48
Well if he does invite the same staff over, and lets them set the tone for the new site, then it should be ok.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 17:56:10
I vote ok for Pes to make an InSIM2, I know at least if shit was gonna change, he'd sure in the fuck let us know. And he may even let us warn the 12s about the baby sharks in the toilets... Wouldn't count on it, but what the hell?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 28, 18:02:08
I'm totally down for Pescado taking over if the staff will have say over what's going on. However, I will not be planning on moving the contest section back. If we can get back what was up before, we'll finish out what was in progress on the clone, and move everything else over, after a fashion. I posted a whole explanation of why at the Oasis, but it's big enough to be its own site, has been for some time, and after what I went through to keep it from getting deleted in the last few months, I'm not interested in doing anything like that ever again and moving it is the step I'm taking to avoid that. But on all other fronts, I think it's a great idea. You have my vote.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quinctia on 2008 November 28, 18:05:11
I think a clone is a great idea.  I also vote for the name REsimenator if it's available. :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 28, 18:09:32
Well I just read the extra 28 pages that spawned during the night and throughout today. I guess the BFBVFS has occured. Sad. I fully support and approve of an idea to make a Pescado-based InSim, but I agree that electing a Deputy to take charge would be the best thing to do.

Fake edit: Day gets even sadder. Just found out that GTA IV on PC will be using SecuROM.  :'(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 18:10:13
I think a clone is a great idea.  I also vote for the name REsimenator if it's available. :D

I dunno - maybe walt.mustbedestroyed would appeal too. :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 18:12:30
Don't you mean walt.hasbeendestroyed


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 28, 18:14:52
As you can see by my username I'm all for 100% less Walt. I'm one of the recently shit on mods over there and I can't express how pissed I am, not so much at Walt because he's just a fudipshit trying to make a quick buck that was sold a white elephant by K & E. My real complaint is them and how they said nothing to my knowledge to anyone and just waltzed, if you'll pardon the expression.

hey there, fellow 'shit on insim staff member', don't know which one you are but you're not only pissed off one around *huggles*

I'd be happy with somewhere else to go, not sure how I feel about it right now it's all a bit overwhelming - those rat shit bastards have taken away home (such as it was) and that's completely pants, but somewhere where I wouldn't be afraid to get proactive and do stuff instead of holding back because 'only Kathy is allowed to touch the announcements on the front page' would be nice

edit .. it would also be nice to go somewhere where you're allowed to have an opinion and some debate please


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 18:17:37
Don't you mean walt.hasbeendestroyed

Lol - he still has a lot of creations - especially those who have left the site forever, and forsaken creating.  So he hasn't quite been destroyed yet.  

ETA: Holy crap! Git downloading Pescado - it's back.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 18:22:33
oh!  Examine the place carefully - he could have pulled all sorts of tricks while it was down.  See if the admins are still admins and if the creators are still allowed to remobve their downloads.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 28, 18:23:17
I got server busy at insim with ads


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quinctia on 2008 November 28, 18:27:38
I dunno - maybe walt.mustbedestroyed would appeal too. :D

Eh, that in itself is just too much Walt!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 28, 18:30:54
I think a clone is a great idea.  I also vote for the name REsimenator if it's available. :D

Makes me think of Resident Evil Simenator! We could have just a bunch of zombie sims all of the place too.  :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: EmilyTwitch on 2008 November 28, 18:36:10
I think a clone is a great idea.  I also vote for the name REsimenator if it's available. :D

Makes me think of Resident Evil Simenator! We could have just a bunch of zombie sims all of the place too.  :P

I kinda got that vibe too. RE is pretty awesome. I'm afraid to try the Zombie Apocalypse from MATY, but it's getting so damn tempting to just unleash it on my sims...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: pinkyfriend on 2008 November 28, 18:39:23
I've been asked by the admins at SapphireSims2 (aka Deb & Jafa) to extend an invite to anyone from Insim who needs a place to land, either temporarily or permanently).
Anyone interested, just leave me a PM & I will get back to you with their IM's...or just pop on over to the site & PM them there.

On a personal note - I don't care if it's Pes or Delphy that takes over Insim...either would be OK by me!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 28, 18:42:43
I've been asked by the admins at SapphireSims2 (aka Deb & Jafa) to extend an invite to anyone form Insim who needs a palce to land, either temporarily or permanently).
Anyone interested, just leave me a PM & I will get back to you with their IM's...or just pop on over to the site & PM them there.

On a personal note - I don't care if it's Pes or Delphy that takes over Insim...either would be OK by me!


Yeah, I've been thinking that all my fantasy stuff would be great over there. I don't need a special section or anything, it's really not that much (I'm jmtmom). Right now, I'm busy trying to back up and remove all my stuff from Insim.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 28, 18:45:01
I lul at how the site server is crashing even more than usual due to the mass exodus. I'm certain that when the dust clears, Walt Dismal will be the only one left.

Also, ReSIMenator has a nice ring to it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 18:49:10
Get to grabbing cause it's back!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lilwen on 2008 November 28, 18:54:20
Yeah! Its back but its bloody slow, and I keep getting server busy, it’s a pity the ads aren’t busy.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 18:56:29
oh!  Examine the place carefully - he could have pulled all sorts of tricks while it was down.  See if the admins are still admins and if the creators are still allowed to remobve their downloads.

It's a bit slowgoing - keep getting timeouts/server is busy - it must be being hammered by gawkers. :P

Okay, there seems to be no new major communication from Walt.

GeneralZoi's Barracks are empty, and the one person I was able to look at the profile for, it didn't seem anything had changed.  But that doesn't mean that nothing has changed - they can only tell when they endeavour to edit.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 28, 19:01:05
I've removed a few more items. It comes and goes. Even if Pes takes over, I'm done. I didn't have any trouble getting on and/or removing stuff other than the server timing out.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 28, 19:15:14
Can someone provide a link to where, exactly, Walt told everyone to "Get over it"?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: dietofworms on 2008 November 28, 19:16:36
I'm sorry for everyone who's been put through the ringer by this.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 28, 19:17:02
Can someone provide a link to where, exactly, Walt told everyone to "Get over it".

It was in his clarification thread. If you go to the front page, you might be able to find it. I think everyone else is too busy getting their stuffs to bother to link it for you. Expect lots of "server too busy" messages.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 19:19:50
So far, I don't see any demotions of some of the more rude members of staff, so I can still get in to see if there's anything in the staff areas from the fuck.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 19:20:36
Can someone provide a link to where, exactly, Walt told everyone to "Get over it"?

http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?p=1468172#post1468172


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: simsartgallery on 2008 November 28, 19:21:21
Here ya go....

http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=100123 (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=100123)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 28, 19:27:53
Whew, yanked everything but a few items that were linked closely to items still up there. Now to grab a few of Squinge's hacks for back-up.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 28, 19:31:44
Ho, that's rich.

Thanks for the link. I'm glad to have finally seen that remark.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 19:38:08
*evil laugh* And we could ban any MENTION of paying for the damn meshes and maybe even let them be included in the downloads from now on?!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: gayle_afcb on 2008 November 28, 19:45:10
Does anyone need a hand making backups of stuff there?  I don't mind helping out  :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 28, 19:51:46
I can help as well - Maybe assign different people areas to archive stuff from, for the creators who haven't been around much lately?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 28, 19:56:02
My god its alive! Well, its up and I still get server busy messages. But for shame! I was expecting a a big post from Walt aka a hissy fit over everyone taking their stuff down and running for it :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 19:58:38
Right now he's probably too busy getting his lawyer briefed on suing Eric and Kathy.  If they didn't lie about the turnover, they certainly must have misled him about how much of the site was legally theirs to sell!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: jokerswild on 2008 November 28, 20:01:34
Here's a few thoughts. How many visits/traffic has this generated? How many other sites is Google picking up the mention of the Insim sites issues? Will it make the market value appear better for the next potential buyer?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 28, 20:02:24
I already DL'd all of Enayla's stuff, and most of Squinge's - so if the site times out again, I've got those covered. I also ahve all of Sgooby's historical stuff - I can go back and grab the rest, if people want to concentrate on other areas - especially the community area - it's huge!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 20:03:02
Caveat emptor (http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/caveat_emptor) He got himself into it, so he can eat it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 28, 20:03:20
I was wondering about that too, but in relation to ad revenue.  It still couldn't possible be enough to earn in one weekend what he paid for it, could it?

Edit:  Has anyone got all of olemantiker's stuff?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 20:05:21
My god its alive! Well, its up and I still get server busy messages. But for shame! I was expecting a a big post from Walt aka a hissy fit over everyone taking their stuff down and running for it :D

Well then ole Walter is about to learn about one of our most ancient and sacred rituals, the taking of the toys and the going home.

I was actually in the process of grabbing some of Ole's stuff that I've been meaning to get for awhile. I figure now's as good a time as any. I don't mind helping out either. But who knows what the FOJ already has and if people really want us snarfing all their stuff.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 20:06:36
Better to have duplicates than not have it all.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 20:08:02
I don't suppose anyone would mind the initial snarfing, as long as they had some say in the subsequent publishing.  Some people might be only too glad if you had grabbed their stuff and could restore it to their possession.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 20:09:04
I'll get as much of his stuff as I can.

*puts on safety glasses*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 28, 20:10:23
Walt can't make a post now. That raging hard on he got when he thought he purchased a cash cow now cannot be brought back, even with an overdose of viagra.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: nixy on 2008 November 28, 20:10:45
I've been grabbing lots of stuff from both sites along with preview pics, but does anyone know - or is Pes himself around to say one way or the other? - if his backup effort has been renewed? If so, then it's probably better to let that take precedence. Otherwise, I'm going to start grabbing Warlokk stuff.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: jokerswild on 2008 November 28, 20:14:16
I was wondering about that too, but in relation to ad revenue.  It still couldn't possible be enough to earn in one weekend what he paid for it, could it?

Edit:  Has anyone got all of olemantiker's stuff?

This will surely last more than a weekend but one could sell a bunch of ad space in a single day, if you show enough traffic. Either way there is money to be made. Can't beat a scandal when trying to draw people to a site.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 20:15:11
Here's a few thoughts. How many visits/traffic has this generated? How many other sites is Google picking up the mention of the Insim sites issues? Will it make the market value appear better for the next potential buyer?

It's not going to be generating a lot of income - if the site is to be onsold, you can't show a spike of two days (with a blank day in between) as proof that it's saleworthy.  After everything is vaccuum packed from Insim, the traffic will diminish immeasurably.  So you'd have a say 1 week spike, and then flatline.

As for other sites - google ranking needs a bit of consistency, and as far as insimenator visibility, it's not particularly high - too neglected for too long.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 28, 20:16:00
I got all my crap out and deleted my section. Monica (Mohicantunes) may have me delete hers too, since I backed it all up. I'm not sure this Walt idiot knows where the Staff section is, but he really needs to locate it and start a dialogue with the staff and creators.

Some of the Staff and Creators are going to stay on the log ride, even after all the water has dried up, but I'm not going to push them down the slide.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: scrappysim on 2008 November 28, 20:16:53
I dont think he will freak out since I am not sure he even understands what is happening.  He doesn't seem to understand what he bought. I doubt he even understands the downloads area or that the creators own them and can remove them.  He may also have not realized the amount of daily attention he should be paying to the site especially during the transition.  I mean if the only people he talked to about it were K&E and we know how much daily activity they had maybe they told him all you have to do is go over there every once in while and make sure the money keeps coming and the staff will do everything else.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: gayle_afcb on 2008 November 28, 20:18:20
Ok I am trying to get past the server busy messages to start backing up the modding section.  There's some useful tut's there we don't want lost either.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 20:20:23
Is it my imagination or have the main admins stopped posting too?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: jokerswild on 2008 November 28, 20:22:13
Here's a few thoughts. How many visits/traffic has this generated? How many other sites is Google picking up the mention of the Insim sites issues? Will it make the market value appear better for the next potential buyer?

It's not going to be generating a lot of income - if the site is to be onsold, you can't show a spike of two days (with a blank day in between) as proof that it's saleworthy.  After everything is vaccuum packed from Insim, the traffic will diminish immeasurably.  So you'd have a say 1 week spike, and then flatline.

As for other sites - google ranking needs a bit of consistency, and as far as insimenator visibility, it's not particularly high - too neglected for too long.  

You have valid points and the smart buyers would know that but the current event at hand shows not all would do the proper research before buying. I think it was Barnum who said "There's one born every minute."


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 20:23:39
I don't think it's your imagination. The staff has been running the site for so long, this bastard was probably told to make his announcements and the staff would handle the transition. I got news: Like HELL we are, asshole!!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Chaavik on 2008 November 28, 20:24:21
How much did you manage to grab Squinge's stuff? He has a lot going back to 2005 or thereabouts. I already got my own stuff backed up and ready to delete them (the MQ computers). Got a message to prepare to post in MQ's old thread at MTS2. I will still plan to update them one more time and test them with Mansion&Garden for compatibility.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: DecoraChroi on 2008 November 28, 20:25:34
Is it my imagination or have the main admins stopped posting too?

Admins, supermods, mods.  Were all pissed and as much as I would like to help, it would be defeating the reason of how we feel. What's the word Im looking for...Strike anyone? Even though we dont get paid for any of that, Walt should have been direct with his intentions.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 20:26:13
Caffeinated Joy sounded like she was intending to stick by him.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 28, 20:27:13
I have most of the stuff for olemantiker, but I didn't get any images.

Does someone have an add on that will strip those quickly?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 28, 20:27:54
Well, if someone wants, and hasn't done so already I'll grab Enayla's stuff - I'm pretty sure I already have it, but another copy doesn't hurt.  If not, is anyone making an archive of the -community- section?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: nixy on 2008 November 28, 20:29:22
I grabbed all the Enayla with images, and I got most of Gothplague and Bloom, though it wouldn't hurt to have someone else get those if it's not already done.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 28, 20:30:03
I do believe zillah said she got all of Enayla.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 28, 20:30:57
Is it my imagination or have the main admins stopped posting too?

No - they seem to have - probably don't know it's back up, or are too busy baleeting and downloading to shout into the abyss. :D

You have valid points and the smart buyers would know that but the current event at hand shows not all would do the proper research before buying. I think it was Barnum who said "There's one born every minute."

Well it'll also be immeasurably smaller when everyone is finished - it won't have such and such fan content - it will be a shadow of its former self, with graffiti all over it, and angry shit all over the place - and a terrible reputation.  He let it go down for one day, and already there's far less optimism than there once was.

Of course, there is one born every minute, and Walt may make money at it.  It strikes me that before he gets over his arrogance though (still hasn't checked in) that it will all be too late.  He doesn't have a clue how to handle sims community drama - it's not enough to just say "get over it" or "if you want to leave, leave" - that's a quick way of killing a forum.  Fucking over the staff - that's a big mistake too - it would be a spam farm there if they're not caring for it.  He may have bought a big fansite - but he's going to have to sell a small fansite, and once I know where everything stands, I'll be removing my link to insim, and I'm sure a lot of others will do so also. He may just be the last sucker in line once he's through with his management techniques - particularly if everyone is saying Yay! Pescado.

Furthermore, he'll have to invest far more time to stop all those bitter people who will leave messages about "Insim is dead, come to Reinsim" etc. just like TSR has to do.  I think he'll give it up as a bad job.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 20:31:21
I have most of the stuff for olemantiker, but I didn't get any images.

Does someone have an add on that will strip those quickly?

Oh fuck I was doing that too, lol


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 28, 20:34:06
I'll grab the community section then, as I can - after all, while those folks aren't as well known for their creations, they put as much love into it, and shouldn't have it used to make money for this guy either.

Got a show and family stuff to do tonight too, though, so it will be kind of catch as catch can.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 20:34:23
She may sound like that in public, but the staff section is another area entirely.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: whiterider on 2008 November 28, 20:37:10
I imagine Pes will finish backing up, but for those of you want to do it yourselves too, DownThemAll! (http://www.downthemall.net/) for FF.

Should be able to nab the images too. If you get DL issues (other than general server shittiness and overload), go into Preferences and turn off multiple DLs and multiple chunks. Some sites (such as MTS2 and the booty) have protections against these functions which will lock you out from downloading if you're using them.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 28, 20:42:32
Yeah, Pes will likely get anything that is missed.

But I think Walt Dismal was planning to "shine" the place up a bit and sell on to the highest bidder, mostly likely another "online marketing and web business guy". Either way InSIM was doomed to destruction; it was only a matter of time.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 28, 20:45:40
No worries ken!  As long as we get everything.  Duplicates are ok.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 20:46:30
 Oh For Fucks Sake (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?p=1467199#post1467199)

Just keep trying you'll get it eventually


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 28, 20:47:38
I got Enayla's files, but NOT the images - was going back for that, but since Nixy got those, I'll concentrate on Sgooby right now.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 28, 20:52:07
Ahh, Paden locked the thread. I was going to ask them if they were on crack or something.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 28, 20:53:44
Oh For Fucks Sake (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?p=1467199#post1467199)

HAHAHAHA! Oh dear, they're brown nosing people who don't give a flying fuck about them. So sad!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 20:56:30
I did it so I didn't explode like all hell in the general area. That, and I was getting massive sugar poisoning.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: whiterider on 2008 November 28, 20:59:52
Caffeinated Joy sounded like she was intending to stick by him.
http://forums.sim-oasis.com/index.php?topic=8.msg270#msg270
http://forums.sim-oasis.com/index.php?topic=8.msg325#msg325


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 28, 21:00:48
Oh For Fucks Sake (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?p=1467199#post1467199)

HAHAHAHA! Oh dear, they're brown nosing people who don't give a flying fuck about them. So sad!

This is one reason Insim used to drive me nuts. They worshiped Kathy and Eric as gods over there -- including worshiping Kathy's stupid booby picture.

However, many people really liked the tone of the site. I'd hate to see it become just another Pescado production, because many of those people would be left in the cold. If the same staff were kept, though, it would probably work out well. However, since I only went to insim to snarf downloads very occasionally, I don't really have a horse in this race. :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 28, 21:01:44
I did it so I didn't explode like all hell in the general area. That, and I was getting massive sugar poisoning.

Guess someone has to be a grown-up.

I'm really not too worried anymore. Everyone is busy backing up the important downloads. I yanked nearly all of my stuff. Insim will either continue nuking itself or Pes will save it. Meh....

It is a pity though about all the people who gave so much only to be shafted by K & E.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 28, 21:10:00
Oh they deserve to rot alright. What they did is unforgivable. No, I never knew them. But for those that did, I have a lot of sympathy for you. As for Kathy and Eric, I don't care what crap is supposedly going on in their lives. It gives them absolutely NO right to do what they did. They get no sympathy, and they will get what's coming to them no matter how lazy Karma is. They almost make TSR look like fraudster wannabes. Almost.

And this is turning out exactly as I predicted. The ship is sinking, and based on posts made at GoS it appears that Pescado's WFIS plan is going ahead.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 28, 21:12:03
This is one reason Insim used to drive me nuts. They worshiped Kathy and Eric as gods over there -- including worshiping Kathy's stupid booby picture.

I used to find some of her humour quite irritating, but I wanted to be nice to her because people used to tell me what a hard time she was having in her personal life.  But I think she's made up for that now with a few thousand of our dollars.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 28, 21:17:48
She always got on my nerves. I donated to the site maybe a year ago but she got so annoying, I quit. I wanted to be sympathetic, but she was so unstable and profane I just couldn't.

So I would swoop in, grab downloads, post enough thanks to kill the "why haven't you posted message" and be on my way. Some of the creators there are really good. I hope they find a new place to post their stuff, they don't deserve this.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 21:20:54
Not to mention trying to sell a community of individuals and thinking the staff was gonna roll over and expose our throats and bellies to this new son of a bitch like trained dogs. When I think of the hours that some of the admins spent on that site, doing the damn updates, chasing down some of the folks that uploaded stuff in order to get rid of pay content, and just generally doing shit that K&E ought to have been doing, it pisses me off more than I can express.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HystericalParoxysm on 2008 November 28, 21:24:23
I used to find some of her humour quite irritating, but I wanted to be nice to her because people used to tell me what a hard time she was having in her personal life.  But I think she's made up for that now with a few thousand of our dollars.

The sad thing is, if they had just been up-front and said that they needed $700 before the end of the week to pay their rent or fix their car or whatever it was for, I bet people would have donated anyway just out of loyalty and a feeling of friendship.  It wouldn't have necessarily been classy, but at least it would have been honest.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 28, 21:26:26
This is one reason Insim used to drive me nuts. They worshiped Kathy and Eric as gods over there -- including worshiping Kathy's stupid booby picture.

I used to find some of her humour quite irritating, but I wanted to be nice to her because people used to tell me what a hard time she was having in her personal life.  But I think she's made up for that now with a few thousand of our dollars.

Other people have pretty much said it, but having a hard time in your personal life does not give you the right to treat other people like garbage. What kind of hard time were those other people having, and what gave her the right to walk all over them? It was just an excuse.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 28, 21:27:47
Paden, I'm glad you locked it -  after reading some of those posts I want to explode - and I don't explode usually.

And I think the goodbye to the boobies was pretty funny.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 28, 21:30:16
So yeah, Walt... good luck with your server and domain name. The soul of insimenator (creators, creations, shitload of members and staff) is simply moving elsewhere to continue to make the community you tried to buy.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 21:31:28
I think I prefer Elton John's "Good-bye, Yellow Brick Road," it has a hell of a lot more honesty to it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 28, 21:35:46


The sad thing is, if they had just been up-front and said that they needed $700 before the end of the week to pay their rent or fix their car or whatever it was for, I bet people would have donated anyway just out of loyalty and a feeling of friendship.  It wouldn't have necessarily been classy, but at least it would have been honest.

True.  But honesty is almost never the easy way out, and I believe that is exactly what they were bargaining for.  It's the same reason they neglected to even notify their own staff of the changes.  They would have been subject to alot of criticism.  Selling the site to Walt was easier.  They got the money from someone who was probably more than willing and were able to check-out without having to deal with the drama, anger and hurt feelings.    


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 28, 21:36:13
Oh yeah, if anyone's interrested, there's always a place at Noukiesims 2 if you wanted your creations there. Either resident creator or a Community creator.
Edit: DUH, there's this server space and help with building your own site too, ofcourse. 100% free.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 21:37:33
So HugeLunatic I assume between the two of us we got Ole covered, so I'm gonna give it a break.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 21:38:45
Walt's first post, condensed to reflect honesty and brevity: "Hi, my name is Walt, and I'm a greedy dumbass and I own this site, everyone here and all of the creations posted. You'll like slaving for me and bringing me more monies and if you don't, you will be forced to watch my incredibly boring YouTube videos and learn how to shoot yourself in the ass with no help at all. Support this site, my mommy does, and she's nice enough to let me live in her basement and she even gives me allowance money cause I just suck at businessman. Isn't my mommy great, she went through the Great Depression and she knows how important it is to be entertained. So, give me monies and I'll act like a dancing jackass for you!"


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 28, 21:40:24
Yep.  I've got images too.  Downthemall was not working quite right, kept giving me php.  I'm sure I used it wrong.  But got all of ole's stuff.  And a copy on my external as well.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 28, 21:41:21
Walt's first post, condensed to reflect honesty and brevity: "Hi, my name is Walt, and I'm a greedy dumbass and I own this site, everyone here and all of the creations posted. You'll like slaving for me and bringing me more monies and if you don't, you will be forced to watch my incredibly boring YouTube videos and learn how to shoot yourself in the ass with no help at all. Support this site, my mommy does, and she's nice enough to let me live in her basement and she even gives me allowance money cause I just suck at businessman. Isn't my mommy great, she went through the Great Depression and she knows how important it is to be entertained. So, give me monies and I'll act like a dancing jackass for you!"

You owe me a new monitor, mine has milk spewed all over it.
I love my Paden. WOOT!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 28, 21:45:21
Do any of the admins have ftp on the server over there?  Because I think it would be faster to dl via FileZilla all attachments in one fell swoop.  I''m guessing no, hence why we are doing it this way.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 28, 21:49:14
I'll soon have my new place set up, thanks to Quorneater.  But I'm thinking that when I make stuff that's fantasy I'll crosspost it at Sapphire Sims, and if I make something alternative, I'll do the same at GoS.  Basically, I think this has a nice silver lining - its bringing the community as a whole together more, and I think crossposting stuff around will help keep it strong.

And if we do get our new and improved reSiminator [or whater it is called], I'll see if I can get my old section back and use it as well.  Sharing can mean caring, even if I want to nuke that damn purple -thing- from orbit.

*passes around more rum*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Corinne on 2008 November 28, 21:54:46
No, we Admins do not have FTP access. Kathy made sure of that.

If this asshole wants to ban us naysayers, he's definitely not going to have anyone to fork over their cash. He may as well just delete the whole site cause NOBODY likes him.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 28, 21:57:56
I'll soon have my new place set up, thanks to Quorneater.....

What exactly do Quorns taste like anyway? Are they salty/tart/fruity, what?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 22:00:53
I don't think they do, that was kept under Kathy's province, such as that was, as far as I know. My comma abuse, let me show you it cause I don't give a fuck about it. One of those days, guys, one of those days.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 28, 22:02:26
I had to laugh at that name actually, because there is a fake meat product called Quorn (http://www.quorn.com/) which ironically is not made from corn, even though it is pronounced so.  My boyfriend has me buy every so often to make him Tacos.  It's pretty bread-like.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 28, 22:09:06
Quote
I have downloaded all of Warlokk's bodyshape mesh sets and previews and am starting on the skintones and other guest files. I'm also pulling all of gothplague's stuff off the main site. I will probably be able to get Warlokk's off the main site, as well, unless someone else wants to do that. I've got about half of Bloom's stuff off the main site, I had all of Olemantiker's already, and I've got tons of bodybuilder stuff, though some of it is possibly outdated, and I don't have any of the Huge BB because - ew. So if anyone thinks they can get Bloom, LMK so I don't mess with it. Otherwise, I'll go after his stuff, as well.

Nixy posted this over at GoS


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 22:10:51
BlooM seems to be MIA at the moment, not seen hide nor hair since before this shit went down.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tchannie on 2008 November 28, 22:15:44
I had to laugh at that name actually, because there is a fake meat product called Quorn (http://www.quorn.com/) which ironically is not made from corn, even though it is pronounced so.  My boyfriend has me buy every so often to make him Tacos.  It's pretty bread-like.

lol I always thought her name was that for that reason. Anyway, it's pronounced kworn, not corn. It's made from a fungus. My uncle's science team discovered it. ;) Apparently it's quite bad for you if you eat too much of it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 22:18:36
Don't tell me that you know this from personal experience?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 28, 22:23:47

My uncle's science team discovered it. ;) Apparently it's quite bad for you if you eat too much of it.

Really?  That's interesting.

I heard there was some controversy about the fact they compare it to a mushroom, when really it's not, and that some people have had some really bad experiences with it (digestion-wise).  We don't eat it very often though, maybe 3 time a year.  We are more apt to make seitan, which we jokingly pronounce satan because it sounds kinda similar.   

PS.  I need to tell everyone I know they pronouncing it wrong. 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Chaavik on 2008 November 28, 22:30:34
Interesting to see one thread started by Walt being deleted in Site Announcements. It's the one where he asked for feedback on new site features and so forth.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: nixy on 2008 November 28, 22:32:48
Nixy posted this over at GoS...

Thanks, zillah. I should have posted that first over here  ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 28, 22:33:32
I wonder who did that one, I wanna shake their deletion hand!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: NoOrdinaryRabbit on 2008 November 28, 22:37:48
Are there any plans for salvaging InSimAdult?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Chaavik on 2008 November 28, 22:38:39
Shake? I wanna hug whoever did that!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 28, 22:46:43
My understanding is that we're going to try to save InSim adult as well, though I don't know who, if anyone, is working on that right now.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 28, 22:47:05
I keep getting kicked off insimadult when I sign in I get the busy message.  Then when it comes back up I have to sign in all over again, is any one else getting this


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: deathtowalt on 2008 November 28, 22:47:48
I know I can barley get into the site before it hangs, so my thanks to those of you that're pillaging.

Are there any plans for salvaging InSimAdult?

I'd sure like to her something about that as well. Contrary to possibly popular belief by alot of the community we're not all a bunch of sweaty palmed post adolescents looking for anything sheer or tittilating to drag to our (Mom's) basement so we can conduct our version of Sim pRoN. The adult side was home to a small but loyal group of regulars that not only wanted realism for our games but a social setting where we could discuss all manners of topics without being inundated with idiotic posts from the tweener demograph.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: nixy on 2008 November 28, 22:50:18
I'm splitting my efforts between the adult and non-adult sites. I'm having better luck with the adult files, actually. The Warlokk stuff I'm getting is all from the adult side so far. I'm trying to get all the files by any creator I'm working on from *both* sites. Unfortunately, after getting in pretty regularly for quite awhile, I've had a HUGE slowdown in the last few minutes. I think my plans to get ALL the Warlokk files from both sites are now a bit over-ambitious. Anyway, I'm getting what I can.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 28, 22:50:55
I hope so - never spent much time there, but I appreciated being able to find some sexy things for my sims on occasion, not to mention accurate skins.  I don't play with barbies and it always annoed me that girl sims loose bits from childhood on up - it also made me feel a bit like a pedo decided that this was still worthy of a teen rating O.o


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Chaavik on 2008 November 28, 22:51:52
Definitely would want to salvage Insimadult because it is part of Insim with a community there.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: cheekylilgirl on 2008 November 28, 22:56:12
Wow, I've been missing in action for about a week or actually more and all this happens...

Okay, I have now tried to catch up a little with what the hell went on and am still rolling my eyes at the insanity of it all.  I have decided I don't want to be any part of a site that is run by Walt or any other Walts for that matter and plan on pulling my creations off as soon as I can.  Unfortunately being that it's end of month for me I have run my bandwidth into the ground and don't have the resources to do that as yet.  I plan as soon as my bandwidth is restored in a few days to remove all my files and delete the threads (mainly from Bloom and Warlokks guest sections).

As far as a mirror site run by someone that is known within the Sims2 and or Modding community, I am all for that.  Be it Pes or Delphy they would both know what they are doing.

I must go back to reading more now on the situation as it's a lot for me to catch up on.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: NoOrdinaryRabbit on 2008 November 28, 23:03:56
In this age of Jack Thompsons, where some people consider skins with nipples and any hint of body hair pr0n, sister sites like ISA and SexySims2 are necessary for anyone who wants a hint of realism in their game.

I've got just about all of jwilson5's stuff and I've been hitting the community genetics section trying to save all the custom skintones I can. But lthe server hasn't been very cooperative for me, either.  :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Mheyin on 2008 November 28, 23:05:47
I went MIA for a few months due to nursing school and I dropped in to catch up on the juicy gossip and see what might actually be the shitstorm of the year. I've lurked at Insim maybe even longer than I have been lurking here, and it makes me sad to see that it's been taken over by a complete and total d-bag. And worse: a creepy, momma's boy d-bag.  :'(

The "get over it" comment was especially sensitive. My jaw hit my keyboard on that one. I can only assume that Walt and Thoma$$ are brothers.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 28, 23:23:05
In this age of Jack Thompsons, where some people consider skins with nipples and any hint of body hair pr0n, sister sites like ISA and SexySims2 are necessary for anyone who wants a hint of realism in their game.

I've got just about all of jwilson5's stuff and I've been hitting the community genetics section trying to save all the custom skintones I can. But lthe server hasn't been very cooperative for me, either.  :P

I just finished that one


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Skadi on 2008 November 28, 23:30:19
I've decided my simmies don't like Walt either:
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5113/nowaltdu2.jpg)
Get it here (http://www.sublimesims.net/buymode/obj_skadi_nowalt.zip)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: NoOrdinaryRabbit on 2008 November 28, 23:35:54
In this age of Jack Thompsons, where some people consider skins with nipples and any hint of body hair pr0n, sister sites like ISA and SexySims2 are necessary for anyone who wants a hint of realism in their game.

I've got just about all of jwilson5's stuff and I've been hitting the community genetics section trying to save all the custom skintones I can. But lthe server hasn't been very cooperative for me, either.  :P

I just finished that one

Finished jwilson or community genetics?

Has anyone started on bloom's adult stuff?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Smeagol on 2008 November 28, 23:38:19
Ok, who just posted as "Walt." on insim? The pix were seriously creepy.  Ick!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 28, 23:39:43
J wilson lol


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: nixy on 2008 November 28, 23:40:31

Finished jwilson or community genetics?

Has anyone started on bloom's adult stuff?

I don't think so. Do it! I was going to if no one else picked it up, but I'm still doing Warlokk.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: JMZ on 2008 November 28, 23:43:38
Ok, who just posted as "Walt." on insim? The pix were seriously creepy.  Ick!

No idea, but I was simultaneously LOLing and making the D: face.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kattenijin on 2008 November 28, 23:43:56
It's like rocking up to work one day and instead of finding your boss who you liked and had a working relationship with, even though they hadn't been there much lately, you find some old guy in a suit telling you he's the owner, he has no clue so he'll be relying on you even more...

That's basically what happened at my last job. Of course, the "old guy in a suit" was the rep from the company that was handleing the bankruptcy liquidation sale...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Smeagol on 2008 November 28, 23:44:53
Me too JMZ. Full of win. The verbage, not the pix, that is.


*edited to clarify

 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: scrappysim on 2008 November 28, 23:49:23
Anyone snap a shot so the rest of dont have to wait around until the site lets us see it?  (please with rum on top).


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: arrrohina on 2008 November 28, 23:59:01
Combining what I hope is becoming my regular Friday night BBS tease with a Walt tease. But you probably need to be quick (http://tinyurl.com/5accdj)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 29, 00:03:52
Paden, hon, can I convince you to share that screen cap for some rum & cookies?   :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Smeagol on 2008 November 29, 00:09:16
I got a cap of it, but can't figure out how to post it without half of it getting cut off.... I know I suck, lol.

Here is a link to the cap in my album.

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/SmeagolShay/Screencaps/MWSnap820.jpg (http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/SmeagolShay/Screencaps/MWSnap820.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 29, 00:10:39
Oh my.  ::)

*throws rum & cookies to Smeagol*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 29, 00:13:30
Oh my gods.....that's priceless.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 29, 00:14:27
I got a cap of it, but can't figure out how to post it without half of it getting cut off.... I know I suck, lol.

Here is a link to the cap in my album.
*horrid, mind seering link*


Eeewwww! Why oh why did I click?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: jokerswild on 2008 November 29, 00:15:11
I got a cap of it, but can't figure out how to post it without half of it getting cut off.... I know I suck, lol.

Here is a link to the cap in my album.

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/SmeagolShay/Screencaps/MWSnap820.jpg (http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/SmeagolShay/Screencaps/MWSnap820.jpg)

Maybe cruel but it's so funny I don't care. Thanks for posting the screen cap link.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Smeagol on 2008 November 29, 00:16:00
Glad to assist.   ;D



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Skadi on 2008 November 29, 00:17:30
Pass the eye bleach please  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Chaavik on 2008 November 29, 00:18:07
Oh my! That -is- priceless.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 00:18:45
You girls are naughty.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 29, 00:19:12
oh lord, Smeagol, you're evil.. :-X

Rohina, that BBS post is a thing of beauty..  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 00:20:40
I've got the pix, but that was not Walt. If it was, do you think he would have made it out with his ass intact?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 00:21:54
Looks like there is still one Admin over there batting for Walt.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 00:22:27
Oh and i dont know if anyone else posted this link but someone on the sims 2 community found this link: http://www.dirtcheapadvertising.com/rlm/salespage/index.asp   Scroll down. It has Walt's name there. Sleazy right?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 29, 00:23:35
I've got the pix, but that was not Walt. If it was, do you think he would have made it out with his ass intact?
No, I certainly wouldn't imagine he would.  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 29, 00:28:51
I got a cap of it, but can't figure out how to post it without half of it getting cut off.... I know I suck, lol.

Here is a link to the cap in my album.

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/SmeagolShay/Screencaps/MWSnap820.jpg (http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo24/SmeagolShay/Screencaps/MWSnap820.jpg)

 :D I laughed out loud.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Cutthroat Dollie on 2008 November 29, 00:30:35
I heard about the Walt. thing from my younger cousin, but by the time I got to the computer it was burninated. I lol'ed, and honestly, I wonder if they'd post again. I'm also conflicted. I'm torn between wanting to see the last of the post and being so glad that I didn't.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 00:31:39
Ya one of the admins is closing the threads down before they "descend into anarchy". Oh noes!!  Someone didn't get the memo.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 29, 00:33:11
Ya one of the admins is closing the threads down before they "descend into anarchy". Oh noes!!  Someone didn't get the memo.

I actually think that's not a bad idea. I get the feeling everyone had a chance to vent and provide insights and information, anything new would just be repeats.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 00:37:41
Any admin with time on their hands should be making themselves busy deleting the forums!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 29, 00:44:59
anyone who thinks that I'm batting for Walt can go fuck themselves right now

Insim is my home, I don't give a shit whether you guys like or not, or think we're all dweebs or not ... or whatever the hell else you think ... we've worked damn hard to keep that site going over the past year and whilst it's still around we're *trying* to keep things as normal as we can

think you can do a better job? then go fucking do it


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 00:48:27
I actually think that's not a bad idea. I get the feeling everyone had a chance to vent and provide insights and information, anything new would just be repeats.


Well ya I know it's probably the adult and mature thing to do but, but, but it's anarchy and that's hard to find on a cool slightly damp Fri. evening.

(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/20739150/345074301.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 29, 00:50:20
Insim is down again, just when I had the time to start downloading things  :-\


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 29, 00:57:40
Is that what it is. I am over at adult and it has taken ten minutes for my download popup and it still hasn't done it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: whiterider on 2008 November 29, 00:59:23
Blame Pes, he's trying to make cheese toasties again.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 29, 01:01:56
Hope he gets the stuff first this time.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Titan on 2008 November 29, 01:03:23
Is it Pescado or is one of the admins shutting it down right now to stop the downloading spree?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: LDE on 2008 November 29, 01:04:44
Tell me about it, I managed to accidentally click on a thread I had read through before and screwed myself out of seeing anything new because of a single mis-click. The reality seems to be Grandpa is limiting access or something, which just makes him look even more incompetent to me. If he was wise (yes, I know he isn't; lets pretend for a minute) he would just shut down all access and accept that he's screwed. Alternately he could just do what has been said at least 46 million times in every forum in our community and relinquish this steaming pile of crap to one of the big dogs and just fade away...like a nasty sunburn.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 29, 01:09:35
I just hope he realises he only stops it for a while. Those that want to go will, and he has no right to hold on to their creations


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 01:10:28
Y'all need to stop downloading so I can do it. Otherwise the entire cheezserver locks up.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 29, 01:11:22
You know, this may not be the most popular position, but I sort of worry about the 12s over at Insim. Mature members can migrate to places like GoS, MATY and here, but I really doubt any of the younger members is going to feel welcome at any of those places. And I'd feel sad for them if they had to go to BBS, that's just too cruel. I really feel for the mods and loyal members of Insim, but I know Insim was quite welcoming and patient with it's younger members too. I hope the 12s are going to be okay when all is said and done...

Pescdo, do tell us when It's okay to start again. If it comes back this time, that is.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Titan on 2008 November 29, 01:12:03
Didn't he say in a post that he was going to be away, due to other engagements, for Thanksgiving?  I got the impression, he wasn't around right now and had left the Mods. and Admins to deal with his bombshell.

@Devilfish, is there anyway they can be notified, if Pescado puts up another site so that they may go to that one?  That way at least, they will be able to have somewhere; other than the BBS, where they can call home.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 29, 01:13:39
yep, he's dropped his shit storm and walked away to leave us picking up the pieces

.....

oh wait ... I have deja-vu right about now


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Titan on 2008 November 29, 01:21:47
I'm sorry eledhel, this cannot be easy and I do feel for the members that are presently there.  Sadly, the only thing that I can think of, is exactly what the creators are already doing, taking their things and leaving.  I'm really hoping that another site can be put together, so that the Insim members do have a nice place to call home agian, without Walter and he idiocy.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 01:22:10
@Devilfish, is there anyway they can be notified, if Pescado puts up another site so that they may go to that one?  That way at least, they will be able to have somewhere; other than the BBS, where they can call home.
Plenty of ways. It just needs to wait until I can finish DOING it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Bellawillow on 2008 November 29, 01:23:13
Pescado's broken it again, I can't get in to the site ....   ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: pinkyfriend on 2008 November 29, 01:24:24
yep, he's dropped his shit storm and walked away to leave us picking up the pieces

.....

oh wait ... I have deja-vu right about now

I don't envy you at all right now. Just from what I've been reading on other forums it's hard to imagine the confusion over there right now.

I am staying away from Insim so as not to suck up the much-needed bandwidth :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 01:25:54
Ya know, I gotta hand it to her man.  Rohina+BBS= Pure WIN!!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 29, 01:28:44
Ya know, I gotta hand it to her man.  Rohina+BBS= Pure WIN!!

 ??? I missed that, with all the crazy going on. Linkage?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: carlydunham on 2008 November 29, 01:28:59
you guys are going great  i have  not been able to get into insim since yesterday


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 01:32:04
NONE of us is batting for Walt, we just don't want shit like that up on the forum. And I second the fuck you very much if you think we are. That motherfucker owes us for keeping that goddamn place alive, even if it is a home we love. I have many homes on the net, the few places where I spend my time and post. We've been done shit and we want this bastard to come clean about it! Among other things!!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: carlydunham on 2008 November 29, 01:34:26
NONE of us is batting for Walt, we just don't want shit like that up on the forum. And I second the fuck you very much if you think we are. That motherfucker owes us for keeping that goddamn place alive, even if it is a home we love. I have many homes on the net, the few places where I spend my time and post. We've been done shit and we want this bastard to come clean about it! Among other things!!

no no i meant its great that the community is taking a stand against this  its so wrong on so many levels!!!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 01:36:21
Ya know, I gotta hand it to her man.  Rohina+BBS= Pure WIN!!

 ??? I missed that, with all the crazy going on. Linkage?

 here (http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?&openItemID=item.131,item.43,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23&threadID=cb7ee6c16a2c42f3065464e7d41e98d6&directoryID=131&startRow=1)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 01:36:49
I was referring to something that someone else had posted a page or so back, but it's hard to get in cause everyone is so quick on their keyboards today/tonight!!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: DecoraChroi on 2008 November 29, 01:39:10
Everyone who took a stand and stripped that site clean of their things, are buhtphucking him. Thats taking a stand.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Scourge on 2008 November 29, 02:00:44
I'm sorry if this already has been posted (I don't believe it has) or if it's out of bounds but I have this habit when it comes to creepy-people on the internet. I run them through Google to see what I can find about them and boy howdy, Walt is busy on the interwebs. I used the location on his profile at InSIM as a cross-reference as well as his last name in my search and I'm 99% sure that (1% margin of error) that is the Walt.

Take this article he wrote: http://www.nolanchart.com/article3401.html (http://www.nolanchart.com/article3401.html). Laugh or cry, I did the former.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 02:04:45
Oh, yeah - that's just one of his many somewhat disturbing rants posted about the web. He calls himself a businessman, but in fact, his degree is in Poly Sci, and every website he touches has his political propaganda slathered all over it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: karu on 2008 November 29, 02:07:50
I'm sorry if this already has been posted (I don't believe it has) or if it's out of bounds but I have this habit when it comes to creepy-people on the internet. I run them through Google to see what I can find about them and boy howdy, Walt is busy on the interwebs. I used the location on his profile at InSIM as a cross-reference as well as his last name in my search and I'm 99% sure that (1% margin of error) that is the Walt.

Take this article he wrote: http://www.nolanchart.com/article3401.html (http://www.nolanchart.com/article3401.html). Laugh or cry, I did the former.

you missed his "hotties for Ron Paul"   :P  http://www.nolanchart.com/article660.html


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 29, 02:09:08
Take this article he wrote: http://www.nolanchart.com/article3401.html (http://www.nolanchart.com/article3401.html). Laugh or cry, I did the former.

Wow, that's pretty sick. I'll have the latter please. This man makes me very unhappy.

Quote
First and foremost, the greens refuse to understand that global warming is directly caused by the sun.

Well, that sort of kills any doubts I had about the man's intelligence. Thanks Uncle Walt, I understand now!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Scourge on 2008 November 29, 02:09:32
No, I saw that one. I just thought the "Global Warming is Good!" article was more telling of his mental health.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: arrrohina on 2008 November 29, 02:14:56
Ya know, I gotta hand it to her man.  Rohina+BBS= Pure WIN!!

See, you love me when I use my evil powers to spork your enemies.

(http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/uglybutt/winsauce.png)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 02:17:28
That ought to be "Whinesauce" when it comes to people like Walt.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: simsample on 2008 November 29, 02:24:06
I like his 4 star story best:
http://www.stories-by-email.com/story.asp?StoryID=1


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Mheyin on 2008 November 29, 02:29:31
I like his 4 star story best:
http://www.stories-by-email.com/story.asp?StoryID=1

I want to say something particularly scathing about this, but I can't get past the first sentence...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 29, 02:31:24
I like his 4 star story best:
http://www.stories-by-email.com/story.asp?StoryID=1

Holy crap, is there no end to this asshat's infamous over bloated ego?


ETA: Where is retroactive birth control when you need it?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 29, 02:35:03
Well, I wouldn't say supporting Ron Paul is -that- horrible - Ron Paul stuck me as being an idealist, and horribly naive, but not as evil or as icky as a lot of politicians.  What I saw, anyway.

But I object to being called a 'Greenie' by some dork who fails at history AND science.  I mean, come on - Global Warming -is- good?!?!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: karu on 2008 November 29, 02:43:59
Well, I wouldn't say supporting Ron Paul is -that- horrible - Ron Paul stuck me as being an idealist, and horribly naive, but not as evil or as icky as a lot of politicians.  What I saw, anyway.

It just made me feel bad for Ron Paul.   :-[


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 29, 02:46:38
I wonder if he realised that a horde of people would be googling his name and digging up all this stuff about him.  Makes me feel a little bad for him... but only a little. :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 03:00:04
Ya know, I gotta hand it to her man.  Rohina+BBS= Pure WIN!!
See, you love me when I use my evil powers to spork your enemies.

Well of course, credit where credit is due.  And your team is delivering straight up lulz.


I take it you stalkers have all seen this?

men that look like old lesbians (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw78oQYN5lY)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: DecoraChroi on 2008 November 29, 03:04:57
You know, I dont feel sorry for him anymore. He ignored us, so whatever people dig up on him shows me proof of him being a douchebag.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: karu on 2008 November 29, 03:08:43
Quote
I take it you stalkers have all seen this?
 men that look like old lesbians (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw78oQYN5lY)



mywiz.org.........  my wiz ??     


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 03:15:08
Well, I wouldn't say supporting Ron Paul is -that- horrible - Ron Paul stuck me as being an idealist, and horribly naive, but not as evil or as icky as a lot of politicians.  What I saw, anyway.
What's wrong with supporting Ron Paul? *I* supported Ron Paul!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 29, 03:18:55
I gotta say Rohina has really outdone herself this time. Funniest thing I've seen on the BBS evar!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 29, 03:21:34
Well, I wouldn't say supporting Ron Paul is -that- horrible - Ron Paul stuck me as being an idealist, and horribly naive, but not as evil or as icky as a lot of politicians.  What I saw, anyway.
What's wrong with supporting Ron Paul? *I* supported Ron Paul!

He's a nutjob who thinks evolution shouldn't be taught in schools.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 03:22:37
I agree, Redisenchanted, that thread is pure lulz.  I can't remember the last time I laughed so hard.  Nice one, Rohina.
 

*Hi everybody*...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Amazone on 2008 November 29, 03:34:24
Well, I wouldn't say supporting Ron Paul is -that- horrible - Ron Paul stuck me as being an idealist, and horribly naive, but not as evil or as icky as a lot of politicians.  What I saw, anyway.
What's wrong with supporting Ron Paul? *I* supported Ron Paul!

Like we/i - uhm, didn't knew that?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Henbane on 2008 November 29, 03:42:12
men that look like old lesbians (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw78oQYN5lY)


Holy shit, he looks like the Chicken Lady on Kids in the Hall.

"Bawwwk, I love my gravel and groats, gravel and groats!!"



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 03:45:11
He's a nutjob who thinks evolution shouldn't be taught in schools.
I have not heard this position. Are you referring to the doctored clip about his evolution views?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 03:48:48
God damn it...they freakin deleted the thread and i was only halfway through reading it when i accidentally closed out. A lot of people were clueless; which is pretty sad and that wal-mart bullshit...wow they really had no idea who walt was did they. oh well it was pretty funny and i wish i couldn't finished it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SnarkyShark on 2008 November 29, 04:01:44
Damn the real world. Did anyone get screencaps of the Rohina/BBS thread?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 04:06:50
If you got that far down, you were pretty much done.  I was taking a screenshot and couldn't finish before they removed it.  Sorry.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: DecoraChroi on 2008 November 29, 04:09:15
I got caught up all the LULZ only got the first post

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b212/FierceKiten/Too%20Funny/ScreenShot015.jpg


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 04:10:37
OT....Hey Snarky  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: arrrohina on 2008 November 29, 04:16:00
God damn it...they freakin deleted the thread and i was only halfway through reading it when i accidentally closed out. A lot of people were clueless; which is pretty sad and that wal-mart bullshit...wow they really had no idea who walt was did they. oh well it was pretty funny and i wish i couldn't finished it.

I warned you it would probably get zorched. There was a thread of people talking about it, as well.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: giggy on 2008 November 29, 04:59:59
God damn it...they freakin deleted the thread and i was only halfway through reading it when i accidentally closed out. A lot of people were clueless; which is pretty sad and that wal-mart bullshit...wow they really had no idea who walt was did they. oh well it was pretty funny and i wish i couldn't finished it.

I warned you it would probably get zorched. There was a thread of people talking about it, as well.
Here's the thread: http://www.mediafire.com/?qjvwodz9zzv

I've managed to save it before it got zapped, although some posts are missing as I forgot to save it in its final state before it got zapped.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 05:03:04
Thanks anonomus...I was hoping someone got a copy although I think some of the ending is missing. Although, from what it seemed everybody was getting bitchy as the thread went on and the comedy went away so you pretty much got all the good stuff.   ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 05:11:29
Nice touch with the eye patch there thedom.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 29, 05:17:40
Yay thanks for the download. Pes maybe you should just download a little bit at a time. More or less focusing on downloads, then the forum part. Even though you probably are already doing this. So it will stop breaking. :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 05:21:31
Nice touch with the eye patch there thedom.
Lol, thanks  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mando on 2008 November 29, 05:25:48
Damn it! And I'd just gotten to the point where I'd forgotten how stupid people on the BBS are! Curses! >:( :D

And what the hell was that bit about Sam Walton?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SnarkyShark on 2008 November 29, 05:31:03
Thanks, DecoraChroi and anonomus. Rohina sinks the Waltanic and the S.S. BBS with the same torpedo. Classic.

Hey, AW. Good to to see you around again.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 05:31:31
Damn it! And I'd just gotten to the point where I'd forgotten how stupid people on the BBS are! Curses! >:( :D

And what the hell was that bit about Sam Walton?
I know those people are such idiots...Sam Walton...Wtf?? Rohina said her name was "Walt" and yet those morons start talking about Wal-Mart and Sam Walton. Oh well it was funny when the people who actually knew what was going on posted.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Walt on 2008 November 29, 05:37:32
Walt here. I found you, you demons! I found you by sacrificing children from the BBS to God Money. I really should have used the blood of freesite owners but as I know exactly ballsacks about this community I don't know where to get any. Moving on...


I have come to believe that you are trying to steal Insimenator, which I own - and all the content and members, which I also own - from me, who it rightfully belongs to because I paid for it. Theft is illegal, but with the piratesque frippery tossed around here I suppose you enjoy stealing things.

Well, I'm buying Mod The Sims 2. That is RIGHT. I can fuck you in more holes now! My enormous penis can now violate you doubly. Well, until I purchase this site, and as many of these magical "Forums" as I can. You people, with your rights and needs and moral convictions. Hah! It's all about money. My MOTHER CAN TELL YOU THAT. Get over it.


What are you doing, reading this? MONEY. GO MAKE THINGS FOR ME, SO I CAN CASH IN.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 05:40:17
Well now that you have control of MTS2 is the future going to look bright?   ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Walt on 2008 November 29, 05:44:10
It's going to look bright, indeed. I'm thinking of replacing those annoying pop-up ads with ones that blink, and talk, and move - they'll get more attention, more clicks, and more revenue. And, since the site really isn't making money - get this, I've got a BRILLIANT idea for making special gifts for people who donate a certain amount. Plus, as an added feature, I'm really considering removing the "community" aspect. You creator people don't need to be bullshitting, but making things instead.

Oh yes, the future is so bright - I've got to wear my 500$ shades.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 29, 05:46:07
Walt here. I found you, you demons! I found you by sacrificing children from the BBS to God Money. I really should have used the blood of freesite owners but as I know exactly ballsacks about this community I don't know where to get any. Moving on...


I have come to believe that you are trying to steal Insimenator, which I own - and all the content and members, which I also own - from me, who it rightfully belongs to because I paid for it. Theft is illegal, but with the piratesque frippery tossed around here I suppose you enjoy stealing things.

Well, I'm buying Mod The Sims 2. That is RIGHT. I can fuck you in more holes now! My enormous penis can now violate you doubly. Well, until I purchase this site, and as many of these magical "Forums" as I can. You people, with your rights and needs and moral convictions. Hah! It's all about money. My MOTHER CAN TELL YOU THAT. Get over it.


What are you doing, reading this? MONEY. GO MAKE THINGS FOR ME, SO I CAN CASH IN.

You sir, are a fuck twat. Congratulations.

1. We are not "stealing" Insimenator. You are "destroying" insimenator. Period. Look at how many creators that we did not "convince" to leave. They left because of your dumb ass. Congratulations on trying to not make yourself look like the bad guy.  ::) Plus if you actually really the front page of the booty you might get a clue as to why what we do in not stealing, and why it hasn't been shut down. Educate yourself before you spew your word diarrhea at us please.

2. I do not want you to fuck any holes. My mother taught me better than to screw trash. And why would Delphy sell you Mod The Sims 2? Gives us a logical answer and I might feel a little bit of belief in my heart, then just realize that your IQ is so low that if was gas used to power piss ant's motorcycle around the inside of cheerio, the ant would fail before he starts.

3. Enormous penis? Right. Guys who need to brag obviously are very lacking.

4. Purchase PMBD! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks for the laugh. I know for a fact Pes would not sell this or MATY in a hundred years. Kepp bluffing smalls.

5. Are you Thomass? Seriously dude. Money can't buy happiness. And with  your attitude, InSimenator will go down the hole. Wait it already has.

I can't wait until you phail so hard, so you get fucked by your own "enormous" penis.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 05:47:23
The way things are going, there won't be much left of Insim to steal.  Holy shit...blinkies!  We love blinkies!  OMG...and special gifts.  Walt, you have saved us.   :P

ETA:  Missbonbon, I believe it's a joke.  ;)  However, the last line had me cracking up.

 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 05:48:09
Yes Sir, I'll go get started right now!!

Ok wait I don't actually make anything.

I'll just send all my mone......ok wait no, I don't have any of that either I gave it all to Peggy.

How bout if I just show you my boobs?

Dang!!!  I don't have have boobs.

Ok wait wait wait. Can I borrow someones boobs just for like two minutes? I promise I won't get them dirty or anything.

I CAN HAZ BLINKIES NAO!!!!




Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 29, 05:48:31
The way things are going, there won't be much left of Insim to steal.  Holy shit...blinkies!  We love blinkies!  OMG...and special gifts.  Walt, you have saved us.   :P

ETA:  Missbonbon, I believe it's a joke.  ;)

 

Ack! And I was hoping I would get to tell him off.  :'( Eh I shall use this Walt sock puppet for my amusement then.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 29, 05:50:33
I thought it was serious...until he said he's buying MTS2.  Then I laughed so hard I damn near woke my kids.   ;D

Walt can go fuck himself anyway.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 05:51:14
kenmtl.....priceless.  Almost made me want to lend you my boobs.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 29, 05:52:01
I thought it was serious...until he said he's buying MTS2.  Then I laughed so hard I damn near woke my kids.   ;D

Walt can go fuck himself anyway.



Same here. But obviously I did not find it funny. My anger over his stupidity got the best of me.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: giggy on 2008 November 29, 05:55:42
I don't think he's Walt for some reason.
I don't know why but it's not him. He doesn't know about the BBS.

You people need to tell the difference.

Edit: It's not him, it's a sockpuppet pretending to be him. You guys phail at recognizing the joke!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 05:56:36
He would be an absolute idiot to come here and pull that kind of shit.  When quite a few of the admins, creators and mods are members here.   However, it would be a lot of fun to kick him around a bit.  



 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: MissMuffet on 2008 November 29, 05:57:16
I actually woke my cat from laughing so hard, but I could tell it was a joke strait off. The probable truth is that Walt made his ridiculous announcement thinking the community would be all happy about the upcoming changes and then he went off for the holiday. I bet he has no idea that the site has exploded and everyone has jumped ship.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 29, 05:58:24
I thought the whole I own the content and members thing seemed even too delusional for him.  But I've been wrong before!  lol

Did anyone look at his profile?  And his e-mail? rofl

raped@insimenator.net


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 06:00:20
ETA:  Misread your post HL.  Sorry for the blond moment.  :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 06:01:42
If anyone cares, I have the post that the bogus Walt put up at InSIM. It's in two parts because it was kind of large and I'll put it up on Photobucket or something tomorrow, if I don't just rar it up and post it to Media Fire.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 06:01:50
I would go check his profile but I can't get on the fucking site since it's been down for like 2 hours.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 29, 06:05:34
I don't think he's Walt for some reason.
I don't know why but it's not him. He doesn't know about the BBS.

You people need to tell the difference.

Edit: It's not him, it's a sockpuppet pretending to be him. You guys phail at recognizing the joke!

Umm I was the only one that phailed because I really think this guy is dumb, and I thought he was dumb enough to come here. (Hey it's happened before!) Everyone makes mistakes, no one is perfect and has a perfect sense of humor either.  ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mando on 2008 November 29, 06:06:27
Are you for real?  THAT is his email addy at Insim?  No fucking way.  Maybe we should send him a personal invite to come out and play.

No, that's Joke Walt's email at "Insim". Wow, this thread is turning into a terrible Laurel and Hardy routine. :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: giggy on 2008 November 29, 06:07:02
I don't think he's Walt for some reason.
I don't know why but it's not him. He doesn't know about the BBS.

You people need to tell the difference.

Edit: It's not him, it's a sockpuppet pretending to be him. You guys phail at recognizing the joke!

Umm I was the only one that phailed because I really think this guy is dumb, and I thought he was dumb enough to come here. (Hey it's happened before!) Everyone makes mistakes, no one is perfect and has a perfect sense of humor either.  ::)
True, but make sure you reread things before jumping to conclusions ok.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 06:08:22
Well thank you armywife. At least ONE person here was kinda close to considering thinking about almost being willing to take under advisement at least the possibility of an option to help me out. As for the rest of you stingy boob hoarders, why i outta.......


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 29, 06:09:47
I don't think he's Walt for some reason.
I don't know why but it's not him. He doesn't know about the BBS.

You people need to tell the difference.

Edit: It's not him, it's a sockpuppet pretending to be him. You guys phail at recognizing the joke!

Umm I was the only one that phailed because I really think this guy is dumb, and I thought he was dumb enough to come here. (Hey it's happened before!) Everyone makes mistakes, no one is perfect and has a perfect sense of humor either.  ::)
True, but make sure you reread things before jumping to conclusions ok.

Or I could have just slipped and I admitted I was wrong for it. Look at how many times things have been misinterpreted here. Ok said it was my bad and admitted it.

Well thank you armywife. At least ONE person here was kinda close to considering thinking about almost being willing to take under advisement at least the possibility of an option to help me out. As for the rest of you stingy boob hoarders, why i outta.......

I could go buy you some bewbies, but I'm sure my boyfriend wouldn't appreciate me lending mine out.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 06:11:02
Well thank you armywife. At least ONE person here was kinda close to considering thinking about almost being willing to take under advisement at least the possibility of an option to help me out. As for the rest of you stingy boob hoarders, why i outta.......
Well i don't have boobs since I'm a guy but I can lend you my wonderful nipples. lol


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: MissMuffet on 2008 November 29, 06:11:33
Its so much easier to jump to conclusions I find. Seriously there is enough confusion over the whole situation without fake Walts running around making things more confounding.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 29, 06:15:40
lol Well Missbonbon I almost ripped Walt apart, but the Absolut is slowing my senses and reaction just a bit.  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 29, 06:17:41
lol Well Missbonbon I almost ripped Walt apart, but the Absolut is slowing my senses and reaction just a bit.  ;)

Lol. Mind sharing? All I've got here is Kahlua and no milk for it.  :'( Plus I'm out of vodka as well. But my roomie has stocked out fridge full of shitty beers so even if I did have vodka/milk I would have no room for them.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 06:18:16
kenmtl, you can use mine for the next two days, but then I need them back cause I have to go into town to get some stuff and I look funny with a flat chest.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Walt on 2008 November 29, 06:26:01
Yes. Offerings of breasts? That's a good start. Oh, I've a fantastic idea! I'm so brilliant. Why don't you women, with your breasts, take pictures of them! That would be a magnificent gift for the people who buy memberships at Insim Adult.

I've also been considering ordering someone to edit the Insimenator thing. I'd love it, if it charged a credit card every time it was downloaded, and every time it was used (per component, of course.) I'm sure your hacking people can manage this. Get on it, now.

I also want your souls, a Heath bar, and some more money. Also, I heard about a Nuke Family server? I want to buy that, so I'm going to go look for information.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 06:26:42
AWW you guys!!

*huggles*

 except for you thedom cause cats give me a rash then I'm gonna have to go buy cream and stuff and it'll get all over the sheets which means MOAR LAUNDRY and then of course rash cream is a HUGE turn off so you know that means no sexy time for me, anyhoo..

Don't sweat it MissBonBon, you're fun when your pissed!!



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Amazone on 2008 November 29, 06:33:11
Who IS this Walt?  :o Wtf? Someone we know, or is it the real guy who is dumb enough to talk like that to the fans in the community?



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mando on 2008 November 29, 06:33:37
AWW you guys!!

*huggles*

Bah! You won't get mine! I know you'll just waste them on expensive dinners and fur coats; don't think I know you won't, young man. Besides your gift to dear Walt will mean a lot more if you earn it yourself; if you like I can send you the numbers of several reputable surgeons who won't ask a whole lot of ugly, uncomfortable questions.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: giggy on 2008 November 29, 06:34:42
Who IS this Walt?  :o Wtf? Someone we know, or is it the real guy who is dumb enough to talk like that to the fans in the community?


It's a fake, just ignore him


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 November 29, 06:35:35
I don't think he's Walt for some reason.
I don't know why but it's not him. He doesn't know about the BBS.

You people need to tell the difference.

Edit: It's not him, it's a sockpuppet pretending to be him. You guys phail at recognizing the joke!

Umm I was the only one that phailed because I really think this guy is dumb, and I thought he was dumb enough to come here. (Hey it's happened before!) Everyone makes mistakes, no one is perfect and has a perfect sense of humor either.  ::)
True, but make sure you reread things before jumping to conclusions ok.
Make sure you know how to spell "anonymous" before you name yourself it.

Kids, seriously. I know reading that BBS thread sapped your intelligence (I swear I've lost a few brain cells) but quit impersonating them.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 29, 06:36:23
I'd be happy to share Missbonbon. :)

Walt I will update the InSIMenator for you.  I just need you to provide me with your credit card number to use for testing to make sure it works properly, cause I don't own one to use.

And if you send me the...$20,000 to buy some bewbies.  I'd be happy to send you pictures of it. ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: giggy on 2008 November 29, 06:36:52
I don't think he's Walt for some reason.
I don't know why but it's not him. He doesn't know about the BBS.

You people need to tell the difference.

Edit: It's not him, it's a sockpuppet pretending to be him. You guys phail at recognizing the joke!

Umm I was the only one that phailed because I really think this guy is dumb, and I thought he was dumb enough to come here. (Hey it's happened before!) Everyone makes mistakes, no one is perfect and has a perfect sense of humor either.  ::)
True, but make sure you reread things before jumping to conclusions ok.
Make sure you know how to spell "anonymous" before you name yourself it.
Read my sig, also anonymous wasn't avaliable as a username


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Walt on 2008 November 29, 06:37:14
Bah! You won't get mine! I know you'll just waste them on expensive dinners and fur coats; don't think I know you won't, young man. Besides your gift to dear Walt will mean a lot more if you earn it yourself; if you like I can send you the numbers of several reputable surgeons who won't ask a whole lot of ugly, uncomfortable questions.


She's mostly correct, you know. Your offering to me must be from the heart, or at least attached to your own body. If you want to give me your heart, though, you many.

I need more for the jar on my desk.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: arrrohina on 2008 November 29, 06:38:01
You pirates really aren't the sharpest hammers in the drawer, are you?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 06:39:12
Oh speaking of fur coats.

 Oi Walt, could you make option on the InSiminator thingy that we could turn all our characters into Chaz Sims versions of Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 29, 06:39:53
AWW you guys!!

*huggles*

 except for you thedom cause cats give me a rash then I'm gonna have to go buy cream and stuff and it'll get all over the sheets which means MOAR LAUNDRY and then of course rash cream is a HUGE turn off so you know that means no sexy time for me, anyhoo..

Don't sweat it MissBonBon, you're fun when your pissed!!



Ken I think we both know that isn't rash cream on the bed!  :o

And I wasn't trying to sweat it, I had a dumb moment. Happens quite often actually. I just thought for once my dream of finally getting to tell someone what I think of them without forum blockades or the dumb BBS forum setup blocking me came true. I died a little on the inside when it didn't.  :'(

AWW you guys!!

*huggles*

Bah! You won't get mine! I know you'll just waste them on expensive dinners and fur coats; don't think I know you won't, young man. Besides your gift to dear Walt will mean a lot more if you earn it yourself; if you like I can send you the numbers of several reputable surgeons who won't ask a whole lot of ugly, uncomfortable questions.

Now mando. You have two boobs. I'm sure you could loan ken just one of them for the night.  ;)

I'd be happy to share Missbonbon. :)

Walt I will update the InSIMenator for you.  I just need you to provide me with your credit card number to use for testing to make sure it works properly, cause I don't own one to use.

And if you send me the...$20,000 to buy some bewbies.  I'd be happy to send you pictures of it. ;D

Yay! Time for happy time!

You pirates really aren't the sharpest hammers in the drawer, are you?

No unfortunately not. My lack of alcohol tonight, coupled with my rage for Walt, and my inability to think properly dulled my hammer I'm afraid. Must get that fixed in the morning.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Walt on 2008 November 29, 06:42:21
Oh speaking of fur coats.

 Oi Walt, could you make option on the InSiminator thingy that we could turn all our characters into Chaz Sims versions of Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen.

That's... brilliant! People love cocaine-riddled and alcohol-soaked celebrities. That's a marvelous addition. I order it immediately. What do these Chaz Sims look like?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 06:43:41
Say "no" to drugs and Walts.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Walt on 2008 November 29, 06:44:52
I'd like to say, "Say no to Padens."

What IS a Paden anyway?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mando on 2008 November 29, 06:46:40
That's... brilliant! People love cocaine-riddled and alcohol-soaked celebrities. That's a marvelous addition. I order it immediately. What do these Chaz Sims look like?

Hmmm, have you ever seen those chainsaw carvings made out of wooden stumps? Kind of like that; except a little more sparkly, and a whole lot more stumpy. Oooh, and with a layer of oil and a wig made out of dried dog fur on top!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Walt on 2008 November 29, 06:48:18
How much does Garden of Shadows cost? I'd really like to direct something toward the Vampire Impersonators.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: emosceneskater on 2008 November 29, 06:49:02
This just sounds like a huge scam to me. I just hope nothing gets changed so much that like we have to get new forums and stuff. Because I'm usually on the RPG's. And I know a whole lot of other people role play too. I'm hella frustrated because insim is never working like its always saying server is busy and shit and its soooo annoying! I can't RP. I know I sound pretty obsessed but you have to admit its pretty annoying when the freaking site never works.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 29, 06:49:08
I'd lend mine, but they are kind of attached, Ken.  Still, if we can figure out how to make a temporary loan.....  And I expect I'll be readin 10 more pages tomorrow morning.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 29, 06:49:33
The Walt sock is NOT entertaining.  ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 06:50:55
AWW you guys!!

*huggles*

 except for you thedom cause cats give me a rash then I'm gonna have to go buy cream and stuff and it'll get all over the sheets which means MOAR LAUNDRY and then of course rash cream is a HUGE turn off so you know that means no sexy time for me, anyhoo..

Don't sweat it MissBonBon, you're fun when your pissed!!


Aww my cat is crying under that eye patch. :'(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: EmilyTwitch on 2008 November 29, 06:53:46
Edit: Apparent flood of posts at the same time as mine made mine irrelevant. Darn.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 06:53:56
GOS is I think $1 but I'd check on that just be sure you don't get ripped of, we're notorious for that.

FYI,  if you need any help I might know a Twat that's looking for a job. Apparently she's an excellent haxxor!!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Amazone on 2008 November 29, 06:56:42
Chaz design look like hell. These sims would scare people away. So why not buy TSR, they seriously need a helping hand to change to the better and earn more money.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Walt on 2008 November 29, 06:58:00
Alright.


So, I've decided that I will purchase Mod The Sims 2, The Garden of Shadows, and the Nuke Family servers. I'm going to replace Mod The Sims 2's ads with bright, blinking ones. As for The Garden of Shadows, I'll need to get rid of their pesky moderation staff. And a lot of the members - I was looking over there a moment ago and the place is filled with naysayers. They'll be banned, of course. I also need to place more ads for, oh, that one teen Vampire Impersonator place. Hot Topic! That's right. I should probably also order someone to make a red and black theme for it - the current one does not scream Satanism enough for my liking. The Nuke Family is going to get nuked outright. All the sites hosted therein are competition I don't need, and may cut in on profit. Since most of these places don't really need big, fancy servers and things I can run them all for next to nothing. Of course,  I'll tell everyone it costs three or four times more than it does. Profit, and all that.

Also, I want someone to get working on those modifications to the Insimenator immediately. Pay-Per-Use. I'm not sure about the Chaz Sims thing. Maybe if it were Sarah Palin or Lindsay Lohan. I also think I should talk to this Thomass man I keep reading about. He seems like a stand-up guy - someone I can learn from, as he's been in the game for a good long while. Also, someone told me that selling content for this game is illegal? If so, how is that big ol' businessman guy person keeping his business? I guess his mom lived through the depression, too.

Alright. I may or may not return - I've got some golfing to do with a lady named Anita.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mando on 2008 November 29, 07:02:19
The Walt sock is NOT entertaining.  ::)

Eh, I'm entertained enough. Of course, I've also got the flu, so take from that what you will.

Oh! And is there any way we can get Perry involved in some fashion?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: giggy on 2008 November 29, 07:04:44
Fake Walt is full of lulz


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 07:06:31
Alright. I may or may not return - I've got some golfing to do with a lady named Anita.
Ooh, her name is Anita...well I can't help but wonder, does she have a little bronish/blackish tint above her lip where a mustache may be growing? She just seems like the type...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: raebchen on 2008 November 29, 07:07:43

 *snip*

Alright. I may or may not return - I've got some golfing to do with a lady named Anita.

She might be easy too. I heard all she had was a fella named Tom (Tim?) since she was a youngon.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mustluvcatz on 2008 November 29, 07:10:51
Quote
You pirates really aren't the sharpest hammers in the drawer, are you?

Hmmmm. Well, let's see....generally hammers aren't very sharp at all. At least your everyday, common hammer isn't. The heads are kinda blunt. Now, tools can be sharp! So, "You pirates really aren't the sharpest tools in the shed" would probably make a bit more sense....at least to someone who isn't 2 bricks short of a full load. Honestly, that last part was a joke!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 07:11:52
N0000! Walt wait, I have boobs for the weekend!



Damn, I wish I could quit him.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Walt on 2008 November 29, 07:12:24
Well, we didn't go golfing. Of course, it's 1 am, so that's likely why. However, is the Anita you may be reffering to kind of an ugly bat, with a brown smear on her nose, the name "Tom" carved into her body repeatedly, odour, greedy little eyes, and a posture not unlike that of Gollums, a la Tolkien? Because if you know her, I'd like you to know that I'm in love and we will be married on the next convenient Thursday. My typing may be off, she's across the room sucking what she can of my enormous cock.

And who is this "Perry" you mention?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 07:17:08
The Walt sock is NOT entertaining.  ::)

Eh, I'm entertained enough. Of course, I've also got the flu, so take from that what you will.

Oh! And is there any way we can get Perry involved in some fashion?

Perry is fab - but unconnected to Walt.  :D

And who is this "Perry" you mention?

Lurk moar to effectively troll.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: simsartgallery on 2008 November 29, 07:17:33
N0000! Walt wait, I have boobs for the weekend!



Damn, I wish I could quit him.

Good lord you people have me snorting and waking up the dead laughing so hard....


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 29, 07:18:09
Walt when did you move?   :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: funkybunk on 2008 November 29, 07:18:20
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You pirates really aren't the sharpest hammers in the drawer, are you?

Hmmmm. Well, let's see....generally hammers aren't very sharp at all. At least your everyday, common hammer isn't. The heads are kinda blunt. Now, tools can be sharp! So, "You pirates really aren't the sharpest tools in the shed" would probably make a bit more sense....at least to someone who isn't 2 bricks short of a full load. Honestly, that last part was a joke!

Isn't the saying "You pirates aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer", anyway?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mando on 2008 November 29, 07:18:49
And who is this "Perry" you mention?

The most amazing and magical person that any other person could hope to be near. The only other creature that kenmtl could quit you for. Seek and you shall find (sigh).

And don't think Walt won't know those are loaners, kenny!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Walt on 2008 November 29, 07:22:10
I see. Well, Anita is terrible at giving head. This may be why the Tom person left her. I've set her straight to work practicing.



I'd like to meet this Perry individual, honestly. I would love to meet someone as amazing and MAGICAL as myself!

Also, Kenmtl. I hope you realise that your attempts to deceive me have not gone unnoticed. Once I am in control, you are banned.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 07:24:03
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg24/Paden1865/spam/ththis_is_spam.gif)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 07:24:16
I'd like to meet this Perry individual, honestly. I would love to meet someone as amazing and MAGICAL as myself!

Perry kicks your arse. There's nothing that Perry can't be, or can't do. *sigh and fan self* Perry.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mustluvcatz on 2008 November 29, 07:25:26
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Isn't the saying "You pirates aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer", anyway?

That too!! And I think I've just proved that to be true...at least in my case.  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Walt on 2008 November 29, 07:29:01
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/3067809046_90158ff0c4_o.jpg)

Heh, writing backwards on my hand = not something I'll do again soon. I'm not a master spammer, sorry. Could only keep it up for so long - did it to try and lighten the mood a bit and give you something to make fun of.

I am a nobody here, and pretty much a nobody anywhere else, but I sure hope I got some of you to laugh.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: EmilyTwitch on 2008 November 29, 07:32:16
 :o Walt reveals his true identity!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 07:36:42
Heh, writing backwards on my hand = not something I'll do again soon. I'm not a master spammer, sorry. Could only keep it up for so long - did it to try and lighten the mood a bit and give you something to make fun of.

I am a nobody here, and pretty much a nobody anywhere else, but I sure hope I got some of you to laugh.

I was just disappointed.  :'( I was hoping when I got here that Walt was telling everybody off and kermitflailing. Sad calalily is sad.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 29, 07:36:57
And by the looks of it, a bloody 12!!

Grant, I'd hate to see this, but I kinda picked that it wasn't the real Walt.  Those of you who thought it was, Thy Name is Gullible.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mando on 2008 November 29, 07:37:49
I don't think I'll ever understand people putting their pictures up on the internet. If it were me, I would have at least put some kind of a bellaclava or a wrestling mask on (as should be standard practice); otherwise how would I ever continue my career as an escaped convict/international spy/diamond smuggler.

Well, maybe someday someone will explain it to me. ???


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Cutthroat Dollie on 2008 November 29, 07:38:55
Hey! I'm not twelve, I'm twenty! XD I only just LOOK twelve!


And sorry, Cala :< I will give you shortbread cookies instead! The dipped-in-chocolate-rolled-in-walnuts kind!


Edit: Lol, 69th post...

Hey, I said I was 20. Nothing about maturity.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 29, 07:40:14
I don't believe you.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 29, 07:40:25
I wasn't enterained, a couple people were though. Glad you confessed, I may have had to hunt you down and kill you.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Cutthroat Dollie on 2008 November 29, 07:42:15
I don't believe you.

I can show you my ID card, it's got my birthdate.


Lol. Sorry if it came off as just stupid. I just noticed everyone was upset and thought maybe some dorkness was in order. Apologies to anyone who was offended by the images at Insim, though - I kinda forget that they let kids on the internet. But please, don't hunt me and kill me.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 29, 07:43:44
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/3067809046_90158ff0c4_o.jpg)

You made it easier with your picture.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Cutthroat Dollie on 2008 November 29, 07:45:15
I'm... not who you want to kill! Also, luckily, that doesn't give you any means to track me! I'm safe!


/nod


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 29, 07:45:46
Most of us here aren't that easily offended, but don't take kindly to noobfests, and do not welcome 12s.

Please don't continue the idiocy of showing us your identity. Not a wise move on the net, Dollie, not a wise move at all.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 29, 07:46:03
Images on InSim? Explain yourself!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 29, 07:46:56
I wasn't offended. Just annoyed. I'm over it, now.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Cutthroat Dollie on 2008 November 29, 07:51:18
Eep! Well! I... google! Google image search for "Nasty" "Gross" and "Ew." Walt. is also me, but I used some trashmail service. Also - I'm not a twelve and was  not acting like a twelve. I have seen the Twelve. I know the Twelve. I try to avoid the Twelve. I was, however, purposely trolling because I thought it would be funny and would lighten the mood. Obviously, I was wrong and I know this because everyone is sour over it - totally not my intention, and again, I apologise..

And my identity on the internet? My identity is Dollie Destroyable, that's all anyone knows and can know because I don't use my real name anywhere.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: giggy on 2008 November 29, 07:52:31
Eep! Well! I... google! Google image search for "Nasty" "Gross" and "Ew." Walt. is also me, but I used some trashmail service. Also - I'm not a twelve and was  not acting like a twelve. I have seen the Twelve. I know the Twelve. I try to avoid the Twelve. I was, however, purposely trolling because I thought it would be funny and would lighten the mood. Obviously, I was wrong and I know this because everyone is sour over it - totally not my intention, and again, I apologise..

And my identity on the internet? My identity is Dollie Destroyable, that's all anyone knows and can know because I don't use my real name anywhere.
Dollie that still was some of the best fucking entertainment around, do moar impersonations next time!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: arrrohina on 2008 November 29, 07:54:07
Yo, Pirates! "Not the sharpest hammer in the drawer" is a famous meme. I thought pirates would be familiar with harpooning. What do you people do here all day, if you don't fight? Is this just some squidgy love-fest?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mando on 2008 November 29, 07:54:40
And my identity on the internet? My identity is Dollie Destroyable, that's all anyone knows and can know because I don't use my real name anywhere.

But you just put your face up for thousands of people you don't know to see? That's not bright, hon. Trust me, most people are pretty easily identifiable by their face. As a matter of fact, it's actually how I identify most of the people I know. ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 29, 07:54:53
I was referring to your photograph. BTW, I was mildly amused by the bogus Walt posts.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 07:55:38
So wait, you're not the real Walt?

*hands Paden back her boobs*

but honestly  Dollie they are right about the photos. not good. and thanx BTW I laughed from line 1



And yes I though it was humorous so if you wanna try and have a go at me for being a 12, feel free.






Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: EmilyTwitch on 2008 November 29, 07:56:55
Yo, Pirates! "Not the sharpest hammer in the drawer" is a famous meme. I thought pirates would be familiar with harpooning. What do you people do here all day, if you don't fight? Is this just some squidgy love-fest?

Now who's sig had the quote from Ashbashtus? Something about a glitter fun-fest? I got it!

Quote from: Ashbashtus
Its not a fake-ass glitter funfest where everyone is wonderful and luuuuved.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 07:58:41
I don't think I'll ever understand people putting their pictures up on the internet. If it were me, I would have at least put some kind of a bellaclava or a wrestling mask on (as should be standard practice); otherwise how would I ever continue my career as an escaped convict/international spy/diamond smuggler.

Well, maybe someday someone will explain it to me. ???

I don't get it either.  I don't do net pictures.  I've heard of this thing called "photoshopping".  :D

Hey! I'm not twelve, I'm twenty! XD I only just LOOK twelve!


And sorry, Cala :< I will give you shortbread cookies instead! The dipped-in-chocolate-rolled-in-walnuts kind!

Well.....you could kermitflail convincingly about being called a 12. :D I was soooo optimistic when I arrived and saw the last post by "Walt" and got to page 34, skimming fast to read the drama at the end. Didn't happen - but I was too optimistic to begin with - the idea the guy would get a handle on "PMBD is community drama central" in a day or so is way overestimating his sims knowhow.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Cutthroat Dollie on 2008 November 29, 08:01:46
Dollie that still was some of the best fucking entertainment around, do moar impersonations next time!

Lol, you're too kind. Eh, this shit's the pits though, isn't it? I never did post around Insim because it was LOLHUGE, but I think it's shitty BECAUSE it was huge. That was Internet Home to so many people, it's the internet likeness of finding out that your Landlord sold your apartment building and it's going to be made into a parking lot.


Kenmtl, you had me in stitches, too. And.. well, about the photoes - yeah, I probably shouldn't share them, but I trust people here and at GoS, where I live. But I will try and not post them here, kay?

Grah, you guys keep posting before me :X

Cala, I won't lie. I'm afraid of you. Besides, I've been twelve here once.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mustluvcatz on 2008 November 29, 08:03:15
Never heard of sharpest hammer in the drawer.
Never believed that Walt was Walt.
Never believed in the Easter Bunny, either.







Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Cutthroat Dollie on 2008 November 29, 08:04:54
Y-you mean the Easter Bunny isn't real?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 08:05:24
Cala, I won't lie. I'm afraid of you. Besides, I've been twelve here once.

I know who you are - but there's always a chance at redoing it here.  ;) No grudges at PMBD.  :-*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: giggy on 2008 November 29, 08:09:26
Yo, Pirates! "Not the sharpest hammer in the drawer" is a famous meme. I thought pirates would be familiar with harpooning. What do you people do here all day, if you don't fight? Is this just some squidgy love-fest?
Unfortunately yes it is.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mustluvcatz on 2008 November 29, 08:16:12
Y-you mean the Easter Bunny isn't real?

Don't worry. There's still Santa Claus!  ;)

Yo, Pirates! "Not the sharpest hammer in the drawer" is a famous meme. I thought pirates would be familiar with harpooning. What do you people do here all day, if you don't fight? Is this just some squidgy love-fest?
Unfortunately yes it is.

.....it's just not a fake-ass glitter funfest where everyone is wonderful and luuuuved.  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 29, 08:16:54
Hi. to be truthful I only read about half of this thread.  :'(Im really sad about whats happening over at the Insim sites, Insimadult has been my online home for a little over a year now and Im so depressed seeing this happening. Im trying to be optimistic but the more I hear about this the more I realize that the ship is sunk...  :(. Anyways Im glad you all are trying your best to save what you can just in case. Im trying to help a friend copie a story rite now off the adult site but unfortunatly the site has been down for me all night. I feel like my home has been torn down for a mall parking lot :'(

I havent decided where Im going to settle for a new home... I wanted to waite and see where my friends decided to go but with things a mess rite now...  :'( I dont know. Im basiclly going to all the free sites I know and double checking my accounts to make shure their still their just in case and making shure that I make my accounts resemble eachother enough that my friends can recognize me.

Why dose this have to happen now? Dosnt life suck enough without a job around the christmas season? Do I have to lose my 2nd family like this? Isnt it bad enough all my closest friends live hundreds of miles from me? :'( Now I have to watch while Walt messes up the one place I could go to and chat with my  friends and read my favorite storys  :'(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: rosess on 2008 November 29, 08:20:55
N00b here.  Not sure this is the right place to post, but this seems to be a helpful group.

I'm looking for a place to throw $100 a month at a website, but have some specific requirements.  I'm only willing to pay for content the site owner does not own, has never used himself, and cannot legally offer at any price.  This content can under no circumstances be guaranteed to be there tomorrow; what's more, it can't be there more than half the time now.  Also, as soon as I donate, there has to be a good chance I'll get slapped with a mandatory monthly fee on top of it.  Finally, I only want to deal with this merchant when more of my money is desired, so he cannot be a member of the community, have knowledge of the community, or have a vision for the site that includes the community in any non-mercenary way.

Bonus points if there is a webinar!!1!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: astroth on 2008 November 29, 08:29:03
Well it seems the server is fubar or the dippy lack of brians managed to take it offline.

Given what has been said as a result of the sudden and very poorly done takeover the collapse of InSim should not have been such a shock but needless to say it was since it appears nobody saw anything coming.

I applaud those who have taken the time to try and save as much as possible from both InSim sites.  The new owner if in fact its a new owner managed to do one thing right and that is cause a riot and a revolt.

I hope somebody once the dust settles compiles a list of where the creators from InSim ended up.

I wonder what I'll read later at InSim should it actually be back online otherwise what I'll be reading here


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mustluvcatz on 2008 November 29, 08:31:40
Um....astroth?

Your avatar makes it very, very hard to read your posts.


Edited to say:  Thank you, astroth!  :-*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 29, 08:32:41
Um....astroth?

Your avatar makes it very, very hard to read your posts.

Adblock FTW.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 29, 08:34:24
umh yes.. Astroth, that's a bit painful on the eyes.. Keirra is adblock a standard feature on Firefox?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 08:35:30
Yo, Pirates! "Not the sharpest hammer in the drawer" is a famous meme. I thought pirates would be familiar with harpooning. What do you people do here all day, if you don't fight? Is this just some squidgy love-fest?
Unfortunately yes it is.

There's this wonderful place you can be instead, where you can do it your way: http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,13776.0.html  Why you bother coming back when you don't like it at all is beyond me.

Um....astroth?

Your avatar makes it very, very hard to read your posts.

Adblock FTW.

IE FTL.  Some of us just like loser browsers. :P I can't bother to read flashy flashy avi posts.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: astroth on 2008 November 29, 08:42:43
Thats what I get for not really thinking about the effect that avatar would have on other people when I originally decided to use it.  Sorry to those it brothered and I've since changed it.

This Thanksgiving has been a very interesting one in regards to InSim it would seem


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 29, 08:45:45
umh yes.. Astroth, that's a bit painful on the eyes.. Keirra is adblock a standard feature on Firefox?

No, it's an Add-on. Definitely awesome to have. I use it all the time. If an avi bothers me, I nuke it with Adblock. It keeps me sane.  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 08:52:40
FYI
don't know what's going on with Pes, but I just checked with my sister and she managed to save some of the stuff from Insimadult before the last meltdown.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 29, 08:56:20
I didn't get much from insimadult.  I arrived here a bit late and kept getting attacked by the busy sign.  About 2 am here it gave up on me.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 29, 08:59:26
For future impersonations, DollieD, try to remember that brevity is the soul of wit.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: justso on 2008 November 29, 09:02:25
I thought it was strange dollied thought no one would recognise her. Does she live in the middle of nowhere.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 09:05:39
It's down again.   Everyone seems to be trying to "back up" stuff from there.  WOuldn't it have made more sense to just leave it to Pes?  At this rate no one will manage to get it all.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Vod Kaknockers on 2008 November 29, 09:08:23
Hell, I'd just like to get on long enough to download any of my piddly shit that I may not have backed up.  They aren't much, but they are mine.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 29, 09:11:13
It's down again.   Everyone seems to be trying to "back up" stuff from there.  WOuldn't it have made more sense to just leave it to Pes?  At this rate no one will manage to get it all.

Yes. But this is the Sims community. When has it ever made sense? :D

I don't really understand the creators who don't have copies of their own work. I have a hard time deleting stuff I make that's crap, just because it's mine, even though it sucks. I can't imagine not having backups of things I actually thought were good enough to upload.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Vod Kaknockers on 2008 November 29, 09:15:14

I don't really understand the creators who don't have copies of their own work. I have a hard time deleting stuff I make that's crap, just because it's mine, even though it sucks. I can't imagine not having backups of things I actually thought were good enough to upload.

I feel exactly the same.  I have very few sims uploaded on the adult side, and I have backups, but I'm anal retentive to the point that I just have to double check. :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 09:18:33
I have a complete duplicate of my site - pages and downloads - on my local disk so any time I have to change host I just upload it as it is.  That's one of the reasons I use pages rather than attach to my forum - cos once when I lost my forum and restored from its backup that I had diligently taken, I learnt that attachments never get backed up, and the links to them stop working.  Loads of tedious work to reupload everything even though the wretched attachments are sitting there happily in their folder being ignored!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 09:22:27
I'm absolutely anal - I have a backup of my site from its first incarnation (the purple, the red html, and the joomla), all my creations backed up in my external hard drive, and on my PC, a backup of every joomla thing I've ever installed, as well as making periodic backups of my entire site, and getting this feature called "Lazybackup" to send the MySQL to my email every ten days.   :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: PirateOfMashedPotatoes on 2008 November 29, 09:37:49

Is that why they have these weird games of guess what the person on top of you is up to?

I'll tell you what the person on top of me is up to, just as soon as we are done. Be back later.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 29, 09:45:30

Is that why they have these weird games of guess what the person on top of you is up to?

I'll tell you what the person on top of me is up to, just as soon as we are done. Be back later.

TMI kthx


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: PirateOfMashedPotatoes on 2008 November 29, 10:12:36

Is that why they have these weird games of guess what the person on top of you is up to?

I'll tell you what the person on top of me is up to, just as soon as we are done. Be back later.

TMI kthx

It's my freakin' dentist, for crying out loud.  He's pulling my tooth.  What did you think I was talking about?!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: lamamma on 2008 November 29, 10:17:25
I'm so glad someone has already saved Olemantiker's stuff! and generally speaking, it's great what you're doing for all the Insim creators (here and at GoS, Oasis etc etc).
I sent him an e-mail but you know he's not around so much anymore.
The going on and off of Insim is making everthing harder, but if the reason is Pescado then I'm fine, just hope that it's not the stupid evil Walt who has shutted down the site. Frankly, if he's conviced he bought the stuff together with the site name it could be a very hard war to remove everything from there, also because I've read some posts before that administrators didn't get access to FTP files, is it right? Very wise from K&E.
I'm  just happy I didn't know them, but I'm really sorry for all of you who called them friends.
There must be a lesson behind this tsunami but I still can't decode the message.
I just want to think to the positive aspects so far, which are mainly referred to your great support and to the amazing community relationship.
However, it's such a disgusting event and make me feel bad the lacking of respect showned by K&E, they should be the first to go nuked. Who knows, they can even be around under different nicks.

Anyway, immediately after the first Walt announcement it was clear that Insim would have troubles, nothing could be as before and surely not better then before, but in some way the whole thing is going well if you think to the support the community is giving spontaneously.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: keirra on 2008 November 29, 10:31:26

Is that why they have these weird games of guess what the person on top of you is up to?

I'll tell you what the person on top of me is up to, just as soon as we are done. Be back later.

TMI kthx

It's my freakin' dentist, for crying out loud.  He's pulling my tooth.  What did you think I was talking about?!

Your dentist is ON TOP OF YOU?  :o He's doing it wrong.  :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 10:41:14
In principle I have nothing against Walt (or anyone else) running InSim.  And he was apparently honest about he was intending to make a profit unlike the rats who ran out on us.   But he did need to speak to the contributors before starting to think about taking an income from the site.   Maybe many of the creators would have said "whatever", but it is pretty much in contravention of their copyright to deliberately start making a profit from publishing their work without entering into an agreement with them.  Even TSR obtains the agreement of their creators.   He definitely needed some awareness of these issues before considering his options.  

And purely for his own benefit, he also needed to contact each staff member to find out which was happy to transfer to working with him and change his team to suit if necessary.   No one with any sense goes off for 4 days leaving people who might hate him or have any level of integrity or otherwise with the keys to the whole site.  The admins are actually displaying a good level of restraint, but he was not to know they would.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 10:50:01
Actually, the desire to riot is pretty high. It is suppressed at the moment by several things, such that I have specifically stated not to riot at this time, and that the site keeps crashing anyway. But everyone can understand the importance of pillaging BEFORE you burn.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lilwen on 2008 November 29, 10:56:40
Well! This is what i'm getting this morning, seems the sites gone.

Connection Interrupted   
       

The document contains no data     
       

The network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection. Please try again.


       
       
     


     
     


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: MissMuffet on 2008 November 29, 11:00:09
Has anyone actually gotten on the site in a while? For me its been unavailable for many hours.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 11:04:52
I am just getting the normal "cannot display webpage".  Never had the connection interrupted one.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: lamamma on 2008 November 29, 11:06:31
Actually, the desire to riot is pretty high. It is suppressed at the moment by several things, such that I have specifically stated not to riot at this time, and that the site keeps crashing anyway. But everyone can understand the importance of pillaging BEFORE you burn.

As far as I know some creators were able to remove their files, while now we - actually you - are copying files. Or are you also removing them?
Copying is good as well, but if files remain stored there without any chance to delete them what's happen then? I wonder if Walt will try some other dirt step like sell them anyway. He must cover his expenses of the sell-buy operation, unless he's going to claim his money back from K&E.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 11:23:40
Really could have done with a swipe/removal procedure to be a totally effective protest.  The creators who didn't have backups can be handed their stuff back from the swiped collection.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 12:08:31
Really could have done with a swipe/removal procedure to be a totally effective protest.  The creators who didn't have backups can be handed their stuff back from the swiped collection.
We can burn that bridge when we come to it.

I am just getting the normal "cannot display webpage".  Never had the connection interrupted one.
As of right now, their server is now operating normally on other known services, but httpd is shutdown and thus refuses all connections.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 29, 12:55:09
Really could have done with a swipe/removal procedure to be a totally effective protest.  The creators who didn't have backups can be handed their stuff back from the swiped collection.
We can burn that bridge when we come to it.

I am just getting the normal "cannot display webpage".  Never had the connection interrupted one.
As of right now, their server is now operating normally on other known services, but httpd is shutdown and thus refuses all connections.

Could you please explain this for us that are not as knowledgeable, does this mean Walt has disabled Insim? I apologize for my obvious lack of knowledge.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 29, 14:16:52
 :o It's alive!

No downloading until Pes give the green light then?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 14:19:21
looks like it


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paleoanth on 2008 November 29, 14:22:56
I keep getting a server is busy message.  Wonder why that is? (<--that is sarcasm, for those who cannot tell)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 14:25:01
I can see that Delphy's on - I'm stuck on a thread page and can't get out of it. Don't know about Pes, but I'm ready and waiting if he needs minions to pillage. I've always wanted to be a minion


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 29, 14:32:05
I just have 2 more threads to delete. No big deal if I can't, but that's all I want to do.

ETA: Got them. I just have one thing left in BlooM's section. I still haven't heard what he plans to do though.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 14:34:54
Argh! This is agonizing! I want to get in and start grabbing, but I also don't want Pescado to get all surly on my ass!!!!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 29, 14:37:10
I don't think it will be up for long anyway. Just deleting those 2 threads took a lot of crapping out.

I also think that most of the good creations have already been backed up somewhere. Pes will get everything, I'd bet on it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Yaardarm Monkey II on 2008 November 29, 14:38:04
The Five Stages of Insim Grief


Denial:
Example - "I feel fine about getting shafted by K&C..now this d-bag Walt."; "This can't be happening, not to Insim!"

Anger:
Example - "Why Insim? It's not fair!" "NO! NO! How can this happen!  Walt is so wrong"

Bargaining:
Example - "Just let the forum live a little longer."; "I need my Insim."

Depression:
Example - "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "The Insim forum going to die."

Acceptance:
Example - "It's going to be OK."; "I can't fight it, THIS FORUM IS DEAD!!!."


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 14:49:27
I want a tshirt that says "I survived the Insimplosion"


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 14:59:07
Patience, young 'asshopper. And stop banging on the server, you're slowing this down. It doesn't have to be those 5 stages. It can work differently. Like so:
1. Looting.
2. Pillaging.
3. Burning!

But remember, always pillage BEFORE you burn!

And, of course, let's never forget the final step:
4. Worshipping Yours Truly.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 15:00:37
stepping back and being patient, sir.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 15:03:08
And, of course, let's never forget the final step:
4. Worshipping Yours Truly.

I object. That wasn't part of the deal.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 29, 15:04:27
Patience, young 'asshopper. And stop banging on the server, you're slowing this down.

Stopping the banging now, sir. Sorry, sir. I guess no more banging for me, sir.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 15:04:43
I object. That wasn't part of the deal.
All who question the word of the Emperor shall be tied naked to steel scaffolding and beaten with cement-filled milk jugs.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: deathtowalt on 2008 November 29, 15:07:55
Why don't you le tsome of us that actually call the place home like I have for over 3 years try and get some things done before you all start sharking it to death? I'm sympathetic to all of your concerns about archiving creations but we as staff have been left in a shitstorm. All of this is making things difficult way beyond what it has to be.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 15:09:01
And if everyone must join in the slurping at least organise it so you do a section each - not everyone heading for the same one first and leaving some out altogether :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Skoria_Bay on 2008 November 29, 15:10:48
I object. That wasn't part of the deal.
All who question the word of the Emperor shall be tied naked to steel scaffolding and beaten with cement-filled milk jugs.

No vat of boiling sharks?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 15:13:13
Why don't you le tsome of us that actually call the place home like I have for over 3 years try and get some things done before you all start sharking it to death? I'm sympathetic to all of your concerns about archiving creations but we as staff have been left in a shitstorm. All of this is making things difficult way beyond what it has to be.

So stop thinking of yourself as staff then, and you won't be.  Shitstorm problem solved.  It's not the place you signed up for any more - you are released.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 15:13:46
*sits & eats popcorn while drinking beer....and waiting*  

I worship your evilness, Pes.  ;)  Now pillage that damned site already.

And uhm, deathtowalt, I have been a member and supporter of Insim for a long time as many others here have, take a breath.  You will come to appreciate that most here who are trying to grab things are doing it for community benefit. 

ETA:  Good point Quorneater.  And the Monkey is always funny.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: jssimone on 2008 November 29, 15:16:08
tied naked to steel scaffolding and beaten with cement-filled milk jugs? Hum. I think I've just found my new home away from adult Insim.  :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 15:18:49
I object. That wasn't part of the deal.
All who question the word of the Emperor shall be tied naked to steel scaffolding and beaten with cement-filled milk jugs.

Well that's not fair. I had my heart set on dying in a fire, with the smell of roasting Pedobait seeing me out of this world.  Make up your mind Pescado - this indecision is driving me nuts.

Why don't you le tsome of us that actually call the place home like I have for over 3 years try and get some things done before you all start sharking it to death? I'm sympathetic to all of your concerns about archiving creations but we as staff have been left in a shitstorm. All of this is making things difficult way beyond what it has to be.

Sharking it to death? Pescado is *trying* to back it all up to restore it for you with 100% less Walt.  What exactly makes that difficult for you?  The fact he's trying to help all of you, but you'd like to just help yourself?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 15:20:40
At the very least it might put off future entrepreneurs trying to make a living off the sims community.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 15:20:47
Feh - I've visited Insim since it opened - I just don't talk much cause I'm anti-social. And actually, those of us who were snarfing the files we were trying to divide and conquer as much as possible as well as keep track of who had what, to avoid needless overlap. But we all bow to Pes superior pillaging capabilities. We want to help, not get in the way.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 29, 15:21:20
*pauses to catch her breath* Only 7 more pages?  Maybe its slowing down.

And I try and keep backups of all my stuff - but somehow, sometimes I lose stuff anyway.  So, I made sure I had copies of all of my insim downloads and gave the goahead for nuking my section.

Actually, except for the pictures, the Walt stuff was kind of funny.  And thought was appreciated.

And Rohina, we're pirates - its not a squiggy lovefest, its just the rum keeps us pretty mellow most of the time.  That and we prefer to take the fight to the paysites.  Duh.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 29, 15:22:30
And, of course, let's never forget the final step:
4. Worshipping Yours Truly.

hmmm ... you might have a problem there Pescado .. you have to realise we don't all universally adore you  :o


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 29, 15:23:41
Why don't you le tsome of us that actually call the place home like I have for over 3 years try and get some things done before you all start sharking it to death? I'm sympathetic to all of your concerns about archiving creations but we as staff have been left in a shitstorm. All of this is making things difficult way beyond what it has to be.

I am sympathetic to the Admins and Mods who got blindsided by all of this. I really could not wait to see if my things were going to be put up for sale, so I yanked them.

Insim is in its death throes. You can't really want to be a part of it anymore, can you? Knowing what K & E did? What Walt intends to do?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 15:25:17
And, of course, let's never forget the final step:
4. Worshipping Yours Truly.

hmmm ... you might have a problem there Pescado .. you have to realise we don't all universally adore you  :o

If Pescado can crash and burn Wallyworld while preserving it's goods for the rest of us, I will worship him to my dying breath.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 15:26:18
And if everyone must join in the slurping at least organise it so you do a section each - not everyone heading for the same one first and leaving some out altogether :)
Look, I have a battlefleet of 7 commercial-grade servers. There is no way you can do anything except slow things down.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 15:26:56
If Pescado can crash and burn Wallyworld while preserving it's goods for the rest of us, I will worship him to my dying breath.

I get the occasional twinge of a crush on Pescado myself, at times like this...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 15:27:58
Cala, quit taking all the fun!  Fire is so...messy and stinky.  Nekkid and tied up, we will have pics to post.  ;D



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: deathtowalt on 2008 November 29, 15:28:09
I'm just trying to suggest you get some organizational skills and go about it in an orderly fashion as has been suggested. Running haphapzardly all at once all over both sites is only preventing you from completing what you're trying to accomplish. For one, people like gothplague who'd recently had a serious meltdown of her computer a few weeks ago had a Hell of a time trying to get in and get copies of 3 years worth of her hard work for backups because of the feeding frenzy you're displaying.

I'm not thinking of myself in this at all but of the friends I have at both sites, so quit trying to act like this is some kind of magnanimous action by most of you. If it is you're sure showing it in a strange way.

And if everyone must join in the slurping at least organise it so you do a section each - not everyone heading for the same one first and leaving some out altogether :)
Look, I have a battlefleet of 7 commercial-grade servers. There is no way you can do anything except slow things down.

Then the rest ought to just kick back and let you go about it...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 15:29:44
Then the rest ought to just kick back and let you go about it...

That's what we're doing

edit -
Oh, and BTW
Quote
I'm not thinking of myself in this at all but of the friends I have at both sites, so quit trying to act like this is some kind of magnanimous action by most of you. If it is you're sure showing it in a strange way.
Bite me. We were grabbing stuff to preserve it for everyone and make sure it was available to be put back up by Pes. Not cause we wanted it all to ourselves - I have no interest in half the stuff I grabbed.  Magnanimous - not really, just trying to be helpful. You may not have noticed, but you're not the only one who got burned here.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: silver on 2008 November 29, 15:30:36
Well, I see that InsimAdult was on for a few moments, and I could read everything, and now, I can't.

I'd post one of my usual book-length posts, but there isn't much more to add here than what you fellow pirates have already added.

Geez, back when I worked retail as Christmas help for a commissioned salesperson, the salesperson at least got me a small token for the hours of work I put to help give her the best season's sales she had in years. A rather puny token, but she at least made the effort. This guy isn't probably even going to give the mods and creators a McDonald's gift certificate if he makes any money from this venture. So ... he expects faithful servants to mind the masses and produce beautiful creations for free while he rakes in the cash!? And the previous owners expected the same (and indeed, probably succeeded)?

Nice. Real nice.

I have a quick question, and I realize that it may not be easily resolved because in terms of creations to the Insim family, I have contributed but one item, and the creations of more prolific creators do, of course, come first. How do I remove said puny little download? (I backed it up a long time ago.)  Granted, it would probably fetch Walt about .001 cent, but ...

And if I asked an obvious question, I humbly await my macro-punishment.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 15:31:06
Has anyone heard from Squinge yet? Is he considering accepting the cookies? I think that's one of the more important transitions as it concerns active hacks and people need might technical support.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 15:31:42
I'm not thinking of myself in this at all but of the friends I have at both sites,

It's not possible to have friends at InSimenator.net unless you're a necrophile.  InSimenator.net is dead.  It is being vulturized as we type.  Go chat to your surviving friends at Sim Oasis :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 29, 15:33:44
Meh, I worship no man. But if someone tech savvy enough says he can do this, I step back and let the man do his thing. I've learned to take his word for these things. But I hardly worship people I've never met or talked to.

Quote
I have a quick question, and I realize that it may not be easily resolved because in terms of creations to the Insim family, I have contributed but one item, and the creations of more prolific creators do, of course, come first. How do I remove said puny little download? (I backed it up a long time ago.) Before InsimAdult went flaky again, I didn't see anyplace on the thread where you can delete it or the download.  Granted, it would probably fetch Walt about .001 cent, but ...

Best not to do anything to do with Insim right now. You would not like being caught between Pescado's battlefleet and the cheezeservers.

Also, I thought it was made clear at least that *for now* there were no plans of making anything pay. I thought we mostly objected to the way he handld things, right?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 15:34:22
Has anyone heard from Squinge yet? Is he considering accepting the cookies? I think that's one of the more important transitions as it concerns active hacks and people need might technical support.

No, I emailed him on the suggestion of Chaavik as I was offering him hosting, but also AncientHighway has extended an invite to him, so he does have options.  However, more than 24hrs later I have not had a response.   I think he tends to come and go.  I wonder how he would feel if someone simply did the hard work of moving his stuff for him, and gave him control over them as and when he re-emerges?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 15:35:11
Well, you weren't referencing your friends in your previous post.  So quit bitching.  Pes can put a stop to it and he has.  I haven't been to Insim in over a month so there's no reason for me to go now and piss off the FOJ, no matter how much I like nekkid.

Quorneater, Paden and I have his number, want me to call him?





Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 29, 15:36:06
I have a quick question, and I realize that it may not be easily resolved because in terms of creations to the Insim family, I have contributed but one item, and the creations of more prolific creators do, of course, come first. How do I remove said puny little download? (I backed it up a long time ago.)  Granted, it would probably fetch Walt about .001 cent, but ...

And if I asked an obvious question, I humbly await my macro-punishment.

Well at insim, you have to go into each download and delete the attachments, pictures and text manually. You can't delete the post, but you can leave it as an empty shell. It probably works the same at insim adult.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: karu on 2008 November 29, 15:36:34
I get the occasional twinge of a crush on Pescado myself, at times like this...

ditto  ;D  btw,  you are missing an F in your sig,  or is that intentional?   :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 15:37:44
Also, I thought it was made clear at least that *for now* there were no plans of making anything pay. I thought we mostly objected to the way he handld things, right?

In my case I am objecting on a technicality.  The income from advertising currently exceeds the expenses.  If he accepts one single penny of a donation he is selling the forum content for profit.  He is not allowed to do that without the express agreement of the contributors - and that includes the poeple who post to the forums as that is partly what people were donating in respect of.

The people I am *angry* with are K&E.  Walt seems to be upfront in comparison!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 29, 15:38:33
If Pescado can crash and burn Wallyworld while preserving it's goods for the rest of us, I will worship him to my dying breath.

some of us are worried about the community as well as the 'goods' you know


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 15:39:18
ditto  ;D  btw,  you are missing an F in your sig,  or is that intentional?   :P

I didn't notice it!  Pescado must have edited it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 15:40:17
The community is part of the goods, IMHO - assuming everyone wants to move along with the pillaged site and regroup.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 15:41:19
some of us are worried about the community as well as the 'goods' you know


That's what Sim Oasis http://forums.sim-oasis.com/index.php is for.  Or if Pescado makes a copy he has already said he will let it continue under its current staff and rules, so 12s can still play.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 29, 15:42:00
If I understand correctly, he isn't just snagging the downloads but pretty much everything over there.

Seems to be down again. God this is frustrating...  >:(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 15:42:15
Cala, quit taking all the fun!  Fire is so...messy and stinky.  Nekkid and tied up, we will have pics to post.  ;D

Pescado would never allow the enjoyment of it - he'd just take pictures of my face and replace the butthurt baby with my face.  I wish to die laughing, and when I read that manner of death he'd devised, I cracked up laughing. :D Now I have my heart set on it - unless he can come up with a funnier method.

I'm just trying to suggest you get some organizational skills and go about it in an orderly fashion as has been suggested. Running haphapzardly all at once all over both sites is only preventing you from completing what you're trying to accomplish.

I haven't done anything - no downloads whatsoever.  Nobody else is doing anything here either if they've read Pescado's statement.  Perhaps you should read more before you go spouting off and telling us what we should be doing.  

ditto  ;D  btw,  you are missing an F in your sig,  or is that intentional?   :P

I didn't notice it!  Pescado must have edited it.

Nah - one letter was lost off all signatures when Pescado switched us from phpbb to smf. Just you haven't fixed it yet.  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 15:43:44
Quorneater, Paden and I have his number, want me to call him?

Well he ought to know what's going on, yes if you can, IMHO.  He's probably better off with AH's offer, assumung AH uses a forum upload system.  He may not want to make html pages.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 29, 15:43:57

Best not to do anything to do with Insim right now. You would not like being caught between Pescado's battlefleet and the cheezeservers.

Also, I thought it was made clear at least that *for now* there were no plans of making anything pay. I thought we mostly objected to the way he handld things, right?
That was my assumption as well. At least with Pescado you know where you stand. If you act stupid, he calls you on it,or else someone else does.
Pescada also conducts staff meetings, something numbnuts Walt apparently thinks are beneath him. For some reason it seems to me, like any smart business man who has just acquired a "business" Chairman Walt has taken the weekend off.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 15:45:29
Eledhel, we're pirates - we pillage.  The community will survive, the location will change.

For the record, please quit going to Insim until he finishes.  Everytime someone tries to access the servers, you slow down the process.  When he's done, he'll let us know.

Q - I'll call him and let you know by PM, ok?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 15:46:55
I have a quick question, and I realize that it may not be easily resolved because in terms of creations to the Insim family, I have contributed but one item, and the creations of more prolific creators do, of course, come first. How do I remove said puny little download? (I backed it up a long time ago.)  Granted, it would probably fetch Walt about .001 cent, but ...
Again, remember the golden rule: Pillage, THEN burn.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 15:50:07
Q - I'll call him and let you know by PM, ok?

Ok, but also ask if he minds his stuff being offered on his behalf *in general* after having been swiped.  He may not have time to deal with it himself right now


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: deathtowalt on 2008 November 29, 15:53:35
Quote
I haven't done anything - no downloads whatsoever.  Nobody else is doing anything here either if they've read Pescado's statement.  Perhaps you should read more before you go spouting off and telling us what we should be doing. 

1 ~ This site's not the only one doing this. 2 ~ Evidently you think everyone's going to catch Pes' little statement already 2 pages back and are following it. 3 ~ No spouting on my part, I've got 3 years invested over there. Can you say the same?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 15:55:22
And no thanks to some people, they are melted again.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 29, 15:56:46
1 ~ This site's not the only one doing this.

And since you know other sites are doing this, have you told them Pes is mass downloading and to stop?

Again, remember the golden rule: Pillage, THEN burn.

I await burn orders! :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 15:57:29
It's not a fucking competition.  Your going about this all wrong.  Calm down.

Q - Check your pm

ETA:  Should we post something at MTS2 and other sites to stay off Insim while pillaging, uhm, I mean the backup is being done?  What would help, Pes? 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 29, 15:58:00
As far as I know, the people at GoS, PMBD, MATY, Sims Oasis and Simscave know about this effort and are holding back. Sure, it's hardly everyone, but I thought it was enough. Who else is trying to back the whole thing up, I wonder?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 29, 16:01:14
Yes, just let Pescado pillage everything, and we can burn what's left at Walt's later. What is the progress so far Pes?

The only person I feel sorry for is Walt's mother. Several thousand down the hole. I doubt she'll be lending her son much money ever again.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 16:02:12
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1 ~ This site's not the only one doing this. 2 ~ Evidently you think everyone's going to catch Pes' little statement already 2 pages back and are following it. 3 ~ No spouting on my part, I've got 3 years invested over there. Can you say the same?

Again - bite me- you're not the only one with a vested interest - and I've been around MTS and InSim on and off since day one. SO why don't you quit acting like all of this is a plot to make your life miserable and do something useful, like go post at other sites telling people to get off InSim until further notice?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 29, 16:02:41
unless Walt has actually got some common sense finally and cottoned on?

.......... nah!

it's none of the current active admins I'm fairly sure about that, but I would imagine K&E still have full-mashings rights so maybe .....

you never know?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 16:03:43
Yes, just let Pescado pillage everything, and we can burn what's left at Walt's later. What is the progress so far Pes?
About 450 MB of valuable data has been pillaged, representing an important complete chunk.

Unfortunately, server is meltz0r3d again.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 16:05:02
Maybe those here who are site owners/admins could post a message on their front page.   Kate @ Parsiminous is really good about posting community info.  So maybe that could be a way that we could help get this done.  You are still going to have the idiots, though.

Pirate Alex, I have a friend who owns a Sims 2 freesite.  About a year ago he told me how much money he made from ads only - you could quit your day job.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 16:05:21
Quote
I haven't done anything - no downloads whatsoever.  Nobody else is doing anything here either if they've read Pescado's statement.  Perhaps you should read more before you go spouting off and telling us what we should be doing. 

1 ~ This site's not the only one doing this. 2 ~ Evidently you think everyone's going to catch Pes' little statement already 2 pages back and are following it. 3 ~ No spouting on my part, I've got 3 years invested over there. Can you say the same?

1. Then why the fuck are you telling us off? I just told you no one here is doing anything.
2. We who read here, caught Pescado's statement. You're telling us off - go do it where it matters.
3. I've got 3 years invested here - I've read every single bit of it. Can you say the same?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 16:05:43
I have just posted in the relevant thread at Simbology to hold back on the slurping.  Also SublimeSimming has a thread.  Sims2Community does too.  The latter two have no guidance about downloading or buttonmashing.

ETA Who are the powers that be round here?  I implore you PLEASE can I have more PM allowance?  I am missing important communications as my box keeps filling up :(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 16:10:16
So while we're enjoying the fondue, has a new name been decided upon yet for the possibility of a  clone? InSimenator 2, InSimenator redux, InSimenator Vista?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 29, 16:12:51
how 'bout we stay away from 'insimenator' ... too many bad memories


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: deathtowalt on 2008 November 29, 16:16:06
You've got to take into account that members are seeing whats going on unless they're complete neophyte asshats and are trying to grab everything they can as well. Wouldn't you? The servers were slow even at 2:00 a.m. after last weeekend when the Watzinator took over at low load times so you can imagine what this is doing to them. I never did get onto the main site yesterday other than for about 2 minutes to post one comment in the mods area, then it was down all day ~ same for the adult side, obviously.

I'm not trying to start an arguement in here where I'm a NewB and I have nothing against what the community as a whole is trying to accomplish especially those of you here. I've no idea as to when Pes is going to start his giant 7 cheezserver meltx0r either. If anyone should be notifying people it should be him I would think and that counts at sites he's been posting about it at like GoS. Take into account the majority of members at the InSIM sites have no idea as to who MATY, GoS, PMBD, or the newly formed Oasis even are or where and we all have a major problem.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 29, 16:18:45
So while we're enjoying the fondue, has a new name been decided upon yet for the possibility of a  clone? InSimenator 2, InSimenator redux, InSimenator Vista?

I still rather like walt.hasbeendestroyed  ;D

I tried to warn them over at boolprop, but they locked the thread. Apparently the kiddis can't handle talk about an 'adult site'. It's hard to reach the younger members since most of the forums they visit don't allow talk of PMBD, insim adult or anything that might fry their wittle bwains. If anyone has a suggestion, I'm up for it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 16:22:47
If anyone should be notifying people it should be him I would think and that counts at sites he's been posting about it at like GoS.
I mentioned this everywhere I have access to where anyone cares. I don't even know where this Oasis thing is. And I'm busy. And I hate people. Plus, you volunteered to do it. So go do it. Chop-chop.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Killzone on 2008 November 29, 16:22:59
I support what Pes is trying to do and understand the anger of some creators who have removed/had deleted their creations.

But isnt deleting stuff kind of pointless? Wont both sites be totally backed up somewhere in the event of some disaster?

I know zippity-shit about running a website, but one of the main priorities I would have if I did run one is having a total backup of a site saved elsewhere in case of need.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 16:24:12
You'd think that, but let's just say that I know something you do not: I...am not left-handed!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 29, 16:25:25
So while we're enjoying the fondue, has a new name been decided upon yet for the possibility of a  clone? InSimenator 2, InSimenator redux, InSimenator Vista?
Walt-Free InSIMenator appears to be the tentative title.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 16:25:44
I put up a notice at NS


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 16:27:06
You've got to take into account that members are seeing whats going on unless they're complete neophyte asshats and are trying to grab everything they can as well. Wouldn't you? The servers were slow even at 2:00 a.m. after last weeekend when the Watzinator took over at low load times so you can imagine what this is doing to them. I never did get onto the main site yesterday other than for about 2 minutes to post one comment in the mods area, then it was down all day ~ same for the adult side, obviously.

I have, but as you yourself say, they're unlikely to be here. So writing it here is to no purpose.

If anyone should be notifying people it should be him I would think and that counts at sites he's been posting about it at like GoS. Take into account the majority of members at the InSIM sites have no idea as to who MATY, GoS, PMBD, or the newly formed Oasis even are or where and we all have a major problem.

GoS has been informed about Pescado's statement.  Matyites are unlikely to be doing anything. As for Oasis, I'm not a member, but I'm sure as a mod of Insim, you are - tell them to stop.

You'd think that, but let's just say that I know something you do not: I...am not left-handed!

Pescado watched The Princess Bride!  :o


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 16:28:43
deathtowalt - If you have been at Insim for 3 years then you certainly have heard of PMBD.  Especially when the "Great Paysite Debate" was in session. It was all over the place and Insim had a thread dedicated to it.  I'm willing to bet that more people than you think know about PMBD, specifically because of the booty.  We have a lot of lurkers who never post.

If you want to be proactive, email site owners and ask that they post a message if there isn't one.  Caring about the community as you do, this will be something positive you can contribute.  Plus, the FOJ has hand-picked you for this task, you really and I do mean REALLY, don't want to let him down.  Just check out the news box.

I too am stunned that Pes has seen The Princess Bride.   :o


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 29, 16:29:13
Take into account the majority of members at the InSIM sites have no idea as to who MATY, GoS, PMBD, or the newly formed Oasis even are or where and we all have a major problem.


That's why PMBD shouldn't ever be censored.  You never know why you are going to need Pescado in a pinch.

I don't know that there is much anyone can save maybe mass emailing or a sticky at insim about the situation, and either of those things could cause Walt to lockdown the place.  So I don't know that complaining is going to get us anywhere.  Just hope that Pes gets what he needs.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tabby on 2008 November 29, 16:33:58
 FINALLY! This thread just kept going, I didn't think I would ever reach the end. What K&E did to everyone is deplorable, fleecing the community for however long they have been, and then just leaving!?  I am sorry to everyone who had a vested interest, its sucks for you guys. This Walt guy seems like a real winner, why in the hell would you buy a website dedicated to something you admittedly know nothing about? That just seems to reek of idiocy, but I guess that has been proven already.

  I can't wait to see this whole thing pan out. Seeing Walt's site crash and burn is going to be oodles of fun.  ;D

  Hehe! Pes liking The Princess Bride is kind of scary. I love that movie.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ash Redfern on 2008 November 29, 16:36:31
ETA Who are the powers that be round here?  I implore you PLEASE can I have more PM allowance?  I am missing important communications as my box keeps filling up :(
The only person who could adjust that would be pescado.  :P

The current limit for regular members is five, I do believe.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 29, 16:45:03
So has this Walt person not even checked up on his new "acquisition" ? He bought a website, angered the fandom and staff and went off to have a four day long weekend ? I know it was a holliday for the US, but did he not take into account that the rest of the world doesn't celebrate the same bank hollidays or is he just that naive.
Tin Foil Hat time: Perhaps he's trying to bak up the creations the same time as Pescado, that's why the servers are turning into cheese toasties.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 16:46:10
The current limit for regular members

So I can have more if I get constipation?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 29, 16:46:59
So while we're enjoying the fondue, has a new name been decided upon yet for the possibility of a  clone? InSimenator 2, InSimenator redux, InSimenator Vista?

Oh no! Not Insimenator Vista! *shivers* vista has kicked me in the bottom to often.

How bout just "The Other Insim" or "The Real Insim Community"... Hey we can have a contest to see who can come up with the best name for the possable clone.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ash Redfern on 2008 November 29, 16:51:50
The current limit for regular members

So I can have more if I get constipation?
I would simply suggest backing up PMs elsewhere and deleting as you read or trying to convince pescado to give you more. But, if you really want to try to route you suggested, go for it. :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 16:53:19
(http://moreawesomethanyou.com/crapola/hammerzeit.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: ugly_duck on 2008 November 29, 16:55:49
I say, to more butthurt, don't change the site name, change only the .net thing to .org or anything similar. Dotcom already taken, though. Although walt.mustbedestroyed.org is a good one.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 16:56:07
I only have 5 PMs and if I am meant to be offering refugees web space and finding out what Squinge is doing, I could easily get more than that while I am asleep.  And I can't keep a copy of my outgoing PMs to remind myself what I said in the first place, as that would eat into the allowance even more.

Pescado you horrible old man please can you give us all at least 10 PM slots?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 17:02:30
You don't need to be offering webspace at this time. Discourage people from souping or nuking anything at this time and tell them to be patient. Remember: Pillage, THEN burn. All will be made clear in time. Do not panic.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: uknortherner on 2008 November 29, 17:12:06
I only have 5 PMs and if I am meant to be offering refugees web space and finding out what Squinge is doing, I could easily get more than that while I am asleep.  And I can't keep a copy of my outgoing PMs to remind myself what I said in the first place, as that would eat into the allowance even more.

Pescado you horrible old man please can you give us all at least 10 PM slots?

He could take the five always-empty slots I've got (I ain't popular enough for PMs!) and add them to yours!  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: rosess on 2008 November 29, 17:13:17
Mass-moving or deleting threads, particularly large threads, in vBulletin melt0rs servers very quickly.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 17:14:04
Well I already had done before I understood the plan, and they're still replying.  Oh well...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Yarp on 2008 November 29, 17:42:24
Is the adult site also being taken into consideration? I am hoping both sides are saved.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 17:43:10
Is the adult site also being taken into consideration? I am hoping both sides are saved.
Yes. In fact, it is probably more likely to survive because it is smaller and has sustained less damage.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Amazone on 2008 November 29, 17:59:01
The real scoundrels here must be Kate and Eric, Walt is just in his own businessworld, They contacted him, convinced him to buy Insim? I wonder, how did they do that?

Funny pic Pescado, to see a nazi fall on the ice made me laugh, but it was not so funny to see Hitler as a sim in lingerie over at mts2, another site which is down atm.





Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 29, 18:02:05
You'd think that, but let's just say that I know something you do not: I...am not left-handed!

Princess Bride FTW!

I'll post a notice to hold off at the Oasis. Pescado, once you get the backup, can I convince you to hold onto the contest section data long enough for my refugees to pillage it?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 29, 18:12:53
I'll post a notice to hold off at the Oasis. Pescado, once you get the backup, can I convince you to hold onto the contest section data long enough for my refugees to pillage it?
That would be rather meaningless. You will see. We can burn that bridge when we come to it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 29, 18:17:54
Ok, cool. Thanks.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 29, 18:22:51
The adult site is more likely to survive? Yay!

Ummm... even storys? I have a couple story writers whome I love and one of them is paniced cause she dosnt have a backuped copy of her story and the picts for her story... (I tryed to start copying it but I cant get on the site long enough to get past one page honestly plus Im trying not to try to get in to much cause I want to stay out of the way to help with the copying the site thing so we can have the clone site) I would hate for the Shadows story to disapper... or for unclesparks story to disapper. Reading them has given me a lot of happyness, enjoyment, and entertainment and its sad when a communitys storytellers work dissapeer.

Oh and waltmustbedistroyed sounds nice although we might want to refraze it to sound more individual and/or diffrent.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: scrappysim on 2008 November 29, 18:45:07
Do those of you who are freaking out get that what Pes is trying to do is get an entire backup of the site so a Mirror (exact copy) of the site can be created.  No need to pillage.  The site can come back as it was but if everyone keeps taking all their stuff down, it is only going to be very confusing when the site comes back up (with its new name and reliable server).  If you want to be included in the new site then leave it all alone for now.  He cant back up what you keep removing.  He can only Mirror what is there.  Everyone who thinks he is trying to take the site down needs to relax.  Once he is done it should all be there like it was before and then you can do whatever you want with it.


ETA, I hate punctuation.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: emosceneskater on 2008 November 29, 18:53:44
wait...but is the site still down because it's not working for me....O.o


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: scrappysim on 2008 November 29, 18:58:45
Yes, the site is still down.  I believe it needs to be rebooted on Walts end again.  Patience everyone. This really will be easier if everyone lets the site come back up and lets Pes get the site backed up.  THEN you can do whatever you want with what is left there.  It will all be safe and sound and re-hosted with %100 less Walt,  just as it was before as long as you leave it alone.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: emosceneskater on 2008 November 29, 18:59:36
whew!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 19:15:02
Well have one of the admins helped out by making a complete database backup?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 29, 19:16:45
do you think all this shit would be going on if we could ???


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 29, 19:17:07
Im trying to let Pes do his thing... thats why I havent tryed to go back on since this morning. But I also have a promise to keep to a wonderful friend that her story will be copyed so that if anything dose happen she can repost it where she pleases.

I also dont like how people are talking about taking out their downloads... I think they should give Pes a chance to do his thing and then after everthing is safe and ok they should go in and do what they please. But people have made up thier minds on the brainless wonder walt and some people will get their bloomers in a twist and just yank. Others are more organized and know what they want to do and will yank anyways cause thier moving to a diffrent site all together. You cant blame them... after all their just trying to keep their stuff out of the hands of the greedy Walts hands. *shrugs* Hopefully most of the sites will servive to be cloned.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 29, 19:22:57
Like Scrappysim said, I guess we're going to have to wait till Walt reboots the site probably on Monday. 'Cause you just know he's a "serious bizzinsman" and we lowly simmians "have no life". He wouldn't dream off "his" site imploding on a Saturday. That'd mean he'd have to leave his mummy's basement at the weekend.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HystericalParoxysm on 2008 November 29, 19:28:09
Well have one of the admins helped out by making a complete database backup?

On vBulletin that's only available to the tippy-toppest level of admin.  I checked if I could on MTS2 and I don't have that ability.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 19:31:19
I don't know if that is possible at all, not with Kathy holding the only key to the FTP end of it. I know nothing about Vbulletin, I just know a bit about the SMF like what Pescado uses. I can ask, because I am in communication with them as I type this.

The answer is: doesn't she think that if we could have done it, we wouldn't have? Had we been able to get a copy of that, we wouldn't be going through this shit right now, now would we?

In plain speech, NO, a backup of the database on our end does not exist. So why don't we cool our heels and let the old fart do his thing?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BlackBeards Bitch on 2008 November 29, 19:36:36
I had a section there as a creator, only older stuff, but it still got comments, pm's n stuff, but I had Eledhil (?) back it up & remove it yesterday before i'd heard what Pes was upto.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Yarp on 2008 November 29, 19:38:08
Well have one of the admins helped out by making a complete database backup?

On vBulletin that's only available to the tippy-toppest level of admin.  I checked if I could on MTS2 and I don't have that ability.

Same on InSIM. Admins only have certain rights, and that's definitely not one of them. Pity...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 19:42:20
I can only think of one person who would have a backup, and she's done sold the site and maybe deleted the backup, thinking dumbass would be smart enough to make his own copy.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ashbashtus on 2008 November 29, 19:43:06


Yo, Pirates! "Not the sharpest hammer in the drawer" is a famous meme. I thought pirates would be familiar with harpooning. What do you people do here all day, if you don't fight? Is this just some squidgy love-fest?
Unfortunately yes it is.

.....it's just not a fake-ass glitter funfest where everyone is wonderful and luuuuved.  :D

Hehe. It tickles me that my angry quote to a troll gives the pirates pleasure.  :-*Maybe I should change my avie before Thomass and Walt come find me with some pitchforks.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 29, 19:49:01
Which is why I sigged it ;)

And why is everyone getting angry at each other? I thought we were all in the same boat and trying to sort this shit out ???


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: scrappysim on 2008 November 29, 19:52:16
I think some people think that Pes is trying to destroy the site instead of save it.  Everyone needs to calm down so they can understand what is going on.  The Panick has set in and has made some people a little touchy I think.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 19:55:18
When I searched through my vast batch of screenshots (drama trained me well) I thought you might find this pretty annoying - I handed a donation meter to Kathy on a platter, and she *still* didn't do anything about it.

(http://i33.tinypic.com/aerzwm.jpg)

Scamming theories certainly hold a lot more weight because it's not as if I didn't take that horse to water and try to get it to drink.

Edit: sorry - made it smaller so as not to skew the screen. Original size is here: http://i38.tinypic.com/2yzlzkg.jpg


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BlackBeards Bitch on 2008 November 29, 19:57:50
About Pes and people's opinion on him and his current action's, if people would just sit back and actually take a damned look at how often his come to the damn rescue of various forum's.... well.....


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 29, 20:00:12
Well I for one am very proud and happy how many people are trying to help.

I would like to thank everyone on this site who has been helping Pes to do what he can and I really want to thank Pes for trying to copy the sites to clone. I have no idea how much work is involved in that but I do think it must be a farely huge undertaking for someone to do. I appriciate it and I would share a hot coco or bottle of rum with Pes anytime for doing this.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 20:01:59
Which is why I sigged it ;)

And why is everyone getting angry at each other? I thought we were all in the same boat and trying to sort this shit out ???

We're not, just this anonomus person who decided it was the only one that got a joke and then proceeded be even stupider. Like that was even an option.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 29, 20:03:59
I think some people think that Pes is trying to destroy the site instead of save it. 

I thought he was kinda trying to do both.   :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ashbashtus on 2008 November 29, 20:10:00
Which is why I sigged it ;)

And why is everyone getting angry at each other? I thought we were all in the same boat and trying to sort this shit out ???

We're not, just this anonomus person who decided it was the only one that got a joke and then proceeded be even stupider. Like that was even an option.

I still can't figure out why *it* got so angry that MissBonBon didn't get it at first. Anger management much? You would think that someone would know better than to attack a well-liked member of a community that is known to spork nOObz?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Skadi on 2008 November 29, 20:23:53
I just put a keep off the InSim lawn message on the front page of Sublime. Hopefully that will help spread the message.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 20:36:21
Pescado could do Insimenator.com .com is better than .net anyways.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 20:43:11
Maybe it should not be named insimenator anything, because it was named after Eric's hack.  If we're annoyed with Eric and Kathy, does the new site want to be named as if it is all about one of the very few things he made?   I vote for one of the walt-centred names such as waltless.com


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BlackBeards Bitch on 2008 November 29, 20:44:10
Am I the only one that wants to call him Wart?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: karu on 2008 November 29, 20:54:47
Maybe it should not be named insimenator anything, because it was named after Eric's hack.  If we're annoyed with Eric and Kathy, does the new site want to be named as if it is all about one of the very few things he made?   I vote for one of the walt-centred names such as waltless.com

The thought of Walt being a part of the name of a sims community is disturbing,  please do not name any sites after him.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 20:55:03
That's true, we're all pissed off at Eric and Kathy so why would we want to remember all the bullshit they put us through...hmm, we gotta keep thinking. Although I do like walt.hasbeendestroyed.org, why would we want to remember that beady eyed cunt.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 29, 20:57:49
Personally, I think a play on words on the name that was would be more effective.. or something that's about the community that was. You wouldn't want the whole site to be all about Walt and what he or Kathy and Eric did.. it's a whole lot more about keeping a bunch of people together who like each other's company.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 29, 20:59:58
I third the omission of walt in the new site's name. Remeber the guy isn't a gamer even. The whole Daum project butt hurt was apptly named. I trust Pescado will come up with a witty reparte. He is the self-proclaimed Pirate King after all.

Sidenote: 105 User's on the front page?! I thought I was the only one who apparently has nothing else to do on a Saturday evening :) Or is everyone else  just loitering aroung to find out the newest info like me?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tabby on 2008 November 29, 21:05:08
Loitering.  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Smeagol on 2008 November 29, 21:07:54
Ditto  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 29, 21:09:27
Kathy's signature seems awfully foretelling...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: raebchen on 2008 November 29, 21:10:47
Just a side note here: TSR must be mighty happy the community isn't exploding thanks to them but someone else and their site. Conspiracy, anyone??


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 21:11:06
Am i the only one who thinks Walt has ridiculously beady eyes, with those little Donald Trump lips.

(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x3/thedom98/PHAIL-2.png)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Smeagol on 2008 November 29, 21:14:25
men that look like old lesbians (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw78oQYN5lY)


Holy shit, he looks like the Chicken Lady on Kids in the Hall.

"Bawwwk, I love my gravel and groats, gravel and groats!!"



You are so awesome Henbane.  Especially looks like chicken lady in the pic that thedom just posted.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tabby on 2008 November 29, 21:17:43
It's the beak nose. That expression he is making doesn't help at all.  Why on earth did he sit in front of that crazy Nemo wallpaper? Did he think it would make it look more professional or something?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 21:20:08
It's the beak nose. That expression he is making doesn't help at all.  Why on earth did he sit in front of that crazy Nemo wallpaper? Did he think it would make it look more professional or something?
It's probably his mom's wallpaper since he probably lives there. She got it during the great depression.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 29, 21:20:49
But Tabby don't you know all legit srs intrawebz bizzns are doing the aquarium wallpaper now! It's to keep you memsmerized while Walt goes through your pockets and the back of your sofa for any spare change. Unless ofcourse you "DONATE!!!1!!!!"


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: PirateOfMashedPotatoes on 2008 November 29, 21:22:36
Your dentist is ON TOP OF YOU?  :o He's doing it wrong.  :P

He is?!  He always told me it was a better angle for his tool.  :'(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tabby on 2008 November 29, 21:26:06
That must be it, Alexia. I am not a srs bizzns person, so I had no idea. I shall not donate to any site unless they have that wallpaper in the background, I dont want to waste money on anything that isn't legit.  ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 21:26:53
Am i the only one who thinks Walt has ridiculously beady eyes, with those little Donald Trump lips.

Nah dude - he's totally like Marshall Applewhite.

(http://i33.tinypic.com/wi57qf.jpg)

See?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 29, 21:28:10
Pescado could do Insimenator.com .com is better than .net anyways.

how about letting the staff that want to go over to this new proposed site help choose the name? With all due respect, from what I've read here, a lot of you spit on the insim community anyway because we let in the 12s, teens and tween, who, it has to be said, actually cause a lot less drama than the so called adults...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 29, 21:30:37
 We're just passing time, guessing names so take a chill pill. It's not like anyone here is ramming names down your throat now, is it?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 21:31:30
Personally, I'm against a Walt name, as hopefully before too long (pleaseohpleaseohplease) nobody will remember who Walt is.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: PirateOfMashedPotatoes on 2008 November 29, 21:32:54

 because we let in the 12s, teens and tween, who, it has to be said, actually cause a lot less drama than the so called adults...

That's pretty sad actually, but you're right.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tabby on 2008 November 29, 21:33:52
 Excuse me if I don't speak for everyone here, but no one "spits" on InSim. No, alot of us didn't like the way Eric and Kathy would come around every six months with the front page covered in, "ZOMG Teh servers will EXPLODE if we don't have eleventy million dollars by tomorrow!", but we didn't wish anyone there any ill will. 12's need a place too, and just because we don't want them crowding our phorum doesn't mean we don't want them to have a place to go. It seems like you are taking things really personally. Maybe you should take a break and calm down. Pes is working on it, chill and worry about a name when that time comes.  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 29, 21:34:51
I refuse to donate to anyone using a Nemo wallpaper unless Dory is also present in the background.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: scrappysim on 2008 November 29, 21:35:01
I dont think anyone spits on insim.  I think that just because we dont choose to post over there because of the 12's doesnt mean that we have a problem with Insim in general. We might let you know that we dont like all the 12ness but if you take that as spitting on the entire site you may be a little touchy.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 29, 21:35:52
The big thing is, I don't think Walt should be in the title.. because it's not exactly 100 percent less Walt then, is it?  ;)

Eledhel the reason why Pescado's doing this is so you can have an environment with handsfree management again and you guys can have a home, I'm sure you won't hate whatever he comes up with. I personally don't spit on Insim, I just didn't visit there much because I didn't have time.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 29, 21:37:03
I refuse to donate to anyone using a Nemo wallpaper unless Dory is also present in the background.

But you get Dory in the super sekrit donation area! "DONATE NOW"!!!1!!!!  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: chynna on 2008 November 29, 21:38:20
This has taken a good part of the day to wade through....59 and going pages, but I felt the need to comment.  Pescado is doing the Sims community a great service by pillaging.  As far as names for the new site....have a contest, it would be the most fun had by all.  The top 5 could be voted on by the staff or El Presidente could do the choosing himself - after all he is the one doing all the work - in spite of well meaning members of the community. I was a member of insim, and had contributed in the past, but quit going myself some months past except to download occasionally - from the adult site.  It's going to be an interesting ride these next few days/weeks.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tabby on 2008 November 29, 21:42:19
I refuse to donate to anyone using a Nemo wallpaper unless Dory is also present in the background.

But you get Dory in the super sekrit donation area! "DONATE NOW"!!!1!!!!  :D


 Lulz!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 29, 21:42:57
how about letting the staff that want to go over to this new proposed site help choose the name? With all due respect, from what I've read here, a lot of you spit on the insim community anyway because we let in the 12s, teens and tween, who, it has to be said, actually cause a lot less drama than the so called adults...

How about taking that big pointy stick out of your ass and stop biting the hand that's saving your beloved site? Its you and the other mods that have jumped ship and have come over here that are causing grief. We're having fun, you might have heard of it. I think its disguisting you're behaving like this when we're all on the same side. Pissed off? Take it out on the people that caused all this - Kathy, Eric and Walt ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 21:43:22
Am i the only one who thinks Walt has ridiculously beady eyes, with those little Donald Trump lips.

Nah dude - he's totally like Marshall Applewhite.

(http://i33.tinypic.com/wi57qf.jpg)

See?
You might be right, but I still think I see Donald Trump.

(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x3/thedom98/WaltTrump.png)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TashaFaun on 2008 November 29, 21:45:37
actually cause a lot less drama than the so called adults...

First of all, you are an idiot. You came in here guns blazing and pissed off. Your "home" is being saved so maybe it's time to STFU and GTFO. It's not the drama that we try to get away from. No, we like drama and MOAR FIGHT (not speaking for the phorum more for MATY). What we don't like is stupid fucking idiots who can't pull a coherent sentence together (which covers many posters at InSIM). This is what makes a 12. If you knew anything outside of InSIM you would know that. Apologies, I didn't mean to burst in. I mostly post at MATY but this idiot was getting annoying.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 21:45:57
If you come from insim thedom, please stay.

(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3604/completeld4.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 29, 21:46:20
My eyes! They meltz0red! two incarnations of the Walt on the same post!!!! (FTW thedom and Cala)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: chynna on 2008 November 29, 21:46:26
 :D  That's too funny - I've laughed a whole lot this day.....Laurel & Hardy, Keystone Cops, Dean Martin & Jerry Lewis, Tom & Jerry, Roadrunner & Wile E. Coyote.....the list just keeps getting longer as do the pages....


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ashbashtus on 2008 November 29, 21:46:58
Excuse me if I don't speak for everyone here, but no one "spits" on InSim. No, alot of us didn't like the way Eric and Kathy would come around every six months with the front page covered in, "ZOMG Teh servers will EXPLODE if we don't have eleventy million dollars by tomorrow!", but we didn't wish anyone there any ill will. 12's need a place too, and just because we don't want them crowding our phorum doesn't mean we don't want them to have a place to go. It seems like you are taking things really personally. Maybe you should take a break and calm down. Pes is working on it, chill and worry about a name when that time comes.  ;)


Well said. I havent seen anyone spitting on InSim because it lets in 12s. The only spitting I've seen is on K&E's behaviour or the 12s behavior. PMBD and MATY get spit on because we're mean and have a dislike of noobs. But you don't see us complaining to every other forum. So what? if you don't like a forum stay off of it. Pes is helping to save whats left of insim and a select few (I'm horrible with names) have been bitching the entire time. I think we all need to relax, grab some rum, and let what happens happen.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 29, 21:47:17
About the spitting business.

You know what, a lot of people here have been putting a lot of time and effort into trying to make this whole thing happen. A lot of people here, myself included, have said that even though  InSim was not necessarily our kind of place, it serves as an important meeting place for a lot of players. In particular the 12's and their blinkies. A lot of people here, myself included, have at one point or another even paid some money to keep that place going even though we didn't go there.  A lot of people here were in fact were first on the scene of the crime and first to jump into action. Nobody here is doing this for themselves. Trust me, if we want something we just take it.

And ya we joke and spork and get indignant about shit, but this is our forum, so we can do whatever the fuck we want. So if you wanna hang out and join the fun, please do. If you just wanna get all pissy on our asses, fuck off somewhere else.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 29, 21:48:35
 :) Oh Cala.. my eyes cannot unsee that macro ever again.. *giggles* That's disturbing..


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ashbashtus on 2008 November 29, 21:51:24
About the spitting business.

*More lulzy brilliance*

And ya we joke and spork and get indignant about shit, but this is our forum, so we can do whatever the fuck we want. So if you wanna hang out and join the fun, please do. If you just wanna get all pissy on our asses, fuck off somewhere else.

Fangurling here ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 21:51:57
:) Oh Cala.. my eyes cannot unsee that macro ever again.. *giggles* That's disturbing..

All of my macros are disturbing. Remember armpit vagina?  :D

*fiendishly waits for someone to say what's armpit vagina*

You know what, a lot of people here have been putting a lot of time and effort into trying to make this whole thing happen.

For some people, it's never, ever enough - never ever.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Druid on 2008 November 29, 21:52:40
 :o I've spent quite a chunk of time wading through this thread... Goodness.

First off, I want the $11 I donated back in Jan. back.  :P Broke druid is broke, and could use it. Second, it's disgusting K&E have probably been making a profit on all this, scamming everyone.... But notice, not many people are surprised since they acted so shady *at the time* even - Not telling people how much more they needed, not taking down the drive post for quite a while (if ever? I barely visit), etc. I do feel sorry for all the people who sunk lots of time and effort into keeping the site running. That really sucks for you guys. :(

This Walt person has definitely bitten off more than he can chew. /vastunderstatement

I don't mean to be all sensitive or whatever you want to call it, but I dislike the slamming of his appearance. I know lots of people do it to Atwat too, but it just sounds so juvenile and drags us down a bit from our obviously-superior position. ;) It strikes me as very 12 to be like "Yeah and he's UGLY TOO!" as a finishing argument. Just my thoughts at least, and I just wanted to bring it up once - I won't mention it again.

Also, I am seriously disturbed by the offering of Pescado cookies. Are they laced with something? What would be considered "tough" cookies, since clearly those are the only kinds he would enjoy? I believe there's likely some kind of deadly poison in them that, of course, Pes has spent the last few years developing an immunity to. After I saw him quote the Princess Bride I now have it on brain. Of course Squinge should come over to "the dark side" but maybe... don't eat the cookies just yet. ;)

Fake edit: In the time it took to write this, 25 new replies were posted. O_o Apologies if someone already addressed what I did, I did a quick skim through of the replies but may have missed it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 29, 21:56:46
*sigh* OK, I can eat humble pie ... yeah, sorry folks, 'spitting' was harsh and yes, you're right, I AM pissed off but have no right to take it out on everyone else, I DO have a life outside insim and yes, I do know what MATY is like, I'm not oblivious and yes, I DO know what effort it being put in to get all the stuff

I DO have a sense of humour but at the moment I admit it's a little difficult to see it

if someone could point me to the chill pills that would be most dandy *offers olive branch*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 21:58:07
If you come from insim thedom, please stay.

(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3604/completeld4.jpg)
Haha nice pic yeah I came from insim but i wasn't to active there, nor anywhere else...I'm more of a lurker type   ;) Oh, and I happened to capture another picture of Walt at the Dirt Cheap Advirtising Award Ceremony.
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x3/thedom98/WaltTrumpV2.png)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 29, 21:58:36
:) Oh Cala.. my eyes cannot unsee that macro ever again.. *giggles* That's disturbing..

All of my macros are disturbing. Remember armpit vagina?  :D

I was trying not to say it's name.. it's like saying "myxlplyx" three times or something.. I just remember this lot furiously posting so it wasn't at the top of the page. ;) For the Insim people I would also like to point out that I too donated both times when Kathy was in a flat panic and the site was about to close.. lots of people around here did because we help free sites. Because we beleive in them. That's also why Pescado's doing what he's doing now. So we need to support what he's doing and sort the details out later.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Skadi on 2008 November 29, 22:00:49
if someone could point me to the chill pills that would be most dandy *offers olive branch*

Out of chill pills, but there is plenty of rum!
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6329/jugrumtwosizes01stg7.jpg)

[I really really want to beetlejuice the armpit vagina!]


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 22:04:00
I think the staff ought to be the ones to name the site, being as we're the ones who're gonna be taking care of us. I know that a lot of us don't want anything to do with the old name.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 22:04:55
Haha nice pic yeah I came from insim but i wasn't to active there, nor anywhere else...I'm more of a lurker type   ;) Oh, and I happened to capture another picture of Walt at the Dirt Cheap Advirtising Award Ceremony.

Stay here - most funny.

[I really really want to beetlejuice the armpit vagina!]

Blame Skadi.

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2567/relaxyl9.jpg)

I think the staff ought to be the ones to name the site, being as we're the ones who're gonna be taking care of us. I know that a lot of us don't want anything to do with the old name.

Yeah. We know. We get it. Enough now.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: karu on 2008 November 29, 22:05:05
*sigh* OK, I can eat humble pie ... yeah, sorry folks, 'spitting' was harsh and yes, you're right, I AM pissed off but have no right to take it out on everyone else, I DO have a life outside insim and yes, I do know what MATY is like, I'm not oblivious and yes, I DO know what effort it being put in to get all the stuff

I DO have a sense of humour but at the moment I admit it's a little difficult to see it

if someone could point me to the chill pills that would be most dandy *offers olive branch*

is for you 

(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/58/chillpillcb7.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tabby on 2008 November 29, 22:05:20
  Me too, Skadi.


Armpit vagina, Armpit vagina...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 29, 22:08:15
In theory this post should have obliviated Cala's scary macro to the previous page! (Armpit Vagina DO NOT WANT!)

Pass the brain bleach now, Cala pleaze?

edit: Oh, noes I has failed  :o


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 29, 22:09:57
*falls over laughing hysterically* it's nice to see the armpit vagina's powers have not diminished with the passing of time, luv..


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 22:10:31
*sigh* OK, I can eat humble pie ... yeah, sorry folks, 'spitting' was harsh and yes, you're right, I AM pissed off but have no right to take it out on everyone else, I DO have a life outside insim and yes, I do know what MATY is like, I'm not oblivious and yes, I DO know what effort it being put in to get all the stuff

I DO have a sense of humour but at the moment I admit it's a little difficult to see it

if someone could point me to the chill pills that would be most dandy *offers olive branch*

We're not grudge holders here.  I have been a long standing member and donator of Insim.  I know Kathy personally and am really shocked by this, like many others are.  When Insim needed money, posts were made here and many of us donated money to help out everytime we were asked.  

I was never much of a poster at Insim, no special reason, just didn't.  A word of advice, don't take everything so literally or personally and you will be much better off.  

So have some rum and cookies and let Pes work his magic.  Alot of people may not like/understand him, but when it comes to making things happen and getting the job done, he's the man.  

Thanks for the armpit Cala.  :P  Can this be the absolute last time???


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lorelei on 2008 November 29, 22:12:11
Maybe this will do the trick, Alexia (though the armpit is LULZ).


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tchannie on 2008 November 29, 22:12:35
The armpit vagina always makes me laugh. It doesn't actually look real. XD *giggle* Lily, you're a riot. :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tabby on 2008 November 29, 22:13:35
YAY! Cala, have I told you lately I love you?  :-*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 22:14:20
Oh Cala, Walt's Mom, Mrs. Thiessen attended the awards also...did you know she was in the great depression?

(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x3/thedom98/Mrs-1.png)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 29, 22:15:41
Thanks for the armpit Cala.  :P  Can this be the absolute last time???

Never.

Maybe this will do the trick, Alexia (though the armpit is LULZ).

Damn. Should have waited for the next page. Nevertheless:

(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8647/whatisgoodly5.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 29, 22:16:22
Thank you Lorelei!!! (Baaaaa) You can now have the rum I was going to use to clear my mind of hairy scary armpits. (Alas, what has been seen....)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Bliss on 2008 November 29, 22:18:00

Second, it's disgusting K&E have probably been making a profit on all this, scamming everyone.... But notice, not many people are surprised since they acted so shady *at the time* even - Not telling people how much more they needed, not taking down the drive post for quite a while (if ever? I barely visit), etc. I do feel sorry for all the people who sunk lots of time and effort into keeping the site running. That really sucks for you guys. :(


This is what pisses me off, that they would scam so many people.  I never donated to Insim because their begging seemed so fishy to me, and their user base so young and vulnerable to having the wool pulled over their eyes.  Then they'd disappear again, only to return several months later to pull the same trick or treat routine, once even holding the damn object over people's heads.  Rude.

I know the admins and mods did their jobs to keep the forums running the smooth way it appears to have done, and I applaud them.  It's not their fault the owners were a couple of asshats.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: cheekylilgirl on 2008 November 29, 22:21:19
Ugh, I vote to note include Walts' name at all in the mirror site, it brings up too many queasy feelings of disgust in my stomach.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 29, 22:23:01
is for you 

(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/58/chillpillcb7.jpg)

why thank you ... that is much needed ... and Skadi for the rum!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 29, 22:39:55
Pescado could do Insimenator.com .com is better than .net anyways.

how about letting the staff that want to go over to this new proposed site help choose the name? With all due respect, from what I've read here, a lot of you spit on the insim community anyway because we let in the 12s, teens and tween, who, it has to be said, actually cause a lot less drama than the so called adults...

Actually - there are a lot of people who were a part of the Insim community and some of us for four years even.  I know that its not always obvious, but there you have it.  A lot of us are upset too.

I just ask folks stop fighting over who -really- cares and who has invested the -most- time.  We should be coming together and appreciating the help given by those in a position to do so.  Okay?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 29, 22:45:01
Eric was the only site owner I have ever known to give out an address where kids too young to have paypal accounts could send their money orders and cash.  To take children's money knowing they didn't need it to keep the site going was very low.

Actually to accept children's money at all under any circumstances was quite low.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 29, 22:48:14
why thank you ... that is much needed ... and Skadi for the rum!
Well you can also just take a vicodin...I heard they have the same effect.

(http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art2/vicodin.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 29, 22:48:49
Enough, I think the idea is gotten about the scamming, how low it was and all of that. That part is behind us. What is needed is to move forward and bring shit to the table that hasn't been brought before. Now, I am going to step out of the room, kiss my kid happy birthday and have a smoke when I get to the upper floor of the house.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 29, 22:49:36
Eric was the only site owner I have ever known to give out an address where kids too young to have paypal accounts could send their money orders and cash.... 
Now that just blew me away...This is paysite mentality. We'll try and milk the young ones dry to line our pockets. Nice, really classy.
As if they weren't getting enough from (working and unemployed) adult members in the first place. My opinion of these two just keeps getting lower and lower.

E.T.A: Happy birthday Paden's son! Have a great day!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 29, 22:50:45
Oh, pass along a hoppy birdday from me - and I hope its the most wonderful one ever.

And I'm being good - not even peeking to see if Walt's gotten back yet to respond to anything folks have said.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 29, 23:09:24
Paden, tell M I'm still enjoying my kisses he blew me this morning and he's still my favorite little guy.  Happy Birthday again to him! 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Amazone on 2008 November 29, 23:17:54
If you come from insim thedom, please stay.

(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3604/completeld4.jpg)

LMAO! I am sure while i type this, it's hundreds of posts before me.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 29, 23:29:41
Happy birthday to Paden's son, first of all.  :)

Second, thank you Pescado for your valiant work. I am not touching the site, as I'm most content to sit back and let someone else who's better at rescue work take over.

Third, the Walt macros are simply grand. I am especially enjoying the one of Walt's "mother."


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 29, 23:40:43
Happy Birthday, Paden-cub.

To the person who was worried about contest stuff - and I'm too lazy and tired to go back and find out who you are - cat me if you want to - just talked to my sister, she grabbed a lot of the files from the contest area, so in the incredibly unlikely event that something goes wrong with Pes' efforts is that area, some of it, at least, is preserved. Have faith in Pescado and worry not.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 29, 23:43:17
Quote
To the person who was worried about contest stuff - and I'm too lazy and tired to go back and find out who you are - cat me if you want to - just talked to my sister, she grabbed a lot of the files from the contest area, so in the incredibly unlikely event that something goes wrong with Pes' efforts is that area, some of it, at least, is preserved. Have faith in Pescado and worry not.

I forgot all about all those contests, too. That's good news!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 29, 23:54:44
Why must I work and get 20 pages behind in this thread? It's like I have a life outside of PMBD.  :)

I think everything that has been said pretty much sums up how I feel. About all the dumbness and hostility. I don't understand why anonomus got upset with me. Quite frankly, doesn't bother me. I fuck up a lot and know it, just try to learn from it.

And I know the spitting comment has already been taken back, but to anyone that hasn't seen the bajillion other people mention it, no one here hated InSim. We disliked how Kathy and Eric handled things. We don't want 12's on our board if they can't act properly, but ReSimenator is not PMBD, and therefore can house the 12's.

And I believe it was Druid who said he doesn't like the picking on Walt's appearance. I second this. I believe we agreed not to poke at Atwat's appearance to much, because that would be sinking to her level. I don't really agree on picking on his either. To say "Hey he looks like so and so" is fine, but laughing at it is not. Pick on his stupidity, stubborness, and downright rude attitude. All of those he can help. But he cannot help his appearance.

And druid, I believe no one fussed about Kathy and Eric only asking for donations every once in a while because of what they have done for the community. I hope this is what you meant by your post. If not, my apologies for misinterpreting. They offered a home to many good creators, help to a lot of new people, and was one of the largest free sims 2 communities as well. I believe they poured their heart into InSim at the beginning, and after a while, that little piece of heart that was put into it, slowly shriveled and melted away. Until it was a black hole for them. If they were making a profit, poo on them, if they fooled Walt, poo on them. Either way, they royally fucked someone, and just don't care.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: JewelCG on 2008 November 30, 00:09:18
Just shaking head..  

I lurk and very, very rarely post, but I've been around the community for a very long time. I've had my fingers in a few sites, including hosting files for SFV before she went to her own servers.  Some might possibly recognize my name or avi, but I'm not expecting anyone to.  I am absent from the sims online world for months at a time but always come back and there are places you just 'know' are going to be there.  Keystones of the community as it were.  Insim was one of those places.  That this has happened is incredibly saddening.  I've read this entire thread hoping to make some sense out of this mess.  It's just too much.. and I now have a twitch resulting from a combination of Walt Trump, polar bear riding babyman and armpit vagina.  

And of course, on a more personal note, the only reason I went to Insim was because I borked my CC and was hoping to recover some things I really like and it doesn't seem like that's going to happen now.  Personal things aside, it's good to see people coming together to help those that got blindsided at Insim.  I'd like to extend an offer myself.  I still have my own server and plenty of space to offer. So when the dust settles, it's there if needed.  It's not the greatest server, but there's no lack of space for storage and I don't have a bandwidth issue, and it's paid for, so no cost.  It's the least I can do.  I love the Sims and I love the community, even if I just lurk and hardly ever post.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 00:35:35
how about letting the staff that want to go over to this new proposed site help choose the name? With all due respect, from what I've read here, a lot of you spit on the insim community anyway because we let in the 12s, teens and tween, who, it has to be said, actually cause a lot less drama than the so called adults...

Well I for one am a member of insim and Im insulted by the way your speeking to people who are trying to help. As for less drama than the adults... well the adults might have drama but at lease we have well thought out arguments over fundimental diffrences unlike the teens and tweens who I have no real problem with on the main site but never really talked to because to be frank the level of stupidity that young people speek now adays is rediculous... Im not even that old and I think that. I dont want listen to all the Oh my gaud thats hot paris hilton like junk every day and thats why I only spoke on the adult site... trying to wade though 10-20 pages of a kiddy version of cute crulety is not my idea of fun. Yes they do need their place to hang out online... I dont mind that, I loved the main site cause it did that exactly... gave the teens a place to go where their was good uploads that was approprite for their age and discutions appropriate to a public forum that consisted of people underage and of age... these people are trying to give us that back without the threat of the dreaded "paysite" words or the idiot who goes by the name of walt. So before you go griping people out consider theirs a very angry/dissaproving tigeress reading and waiting to sink my claws in someone since walts not handy for a shreading rite now and your rudeness is gratting on my last nerve.


*edit* Sorry... Im just in a really foul mood over this... I wish I had walts head on a stick to display in a public square.

I posted this without reading the rest of the thread... when I found you asking for a chill out pill or whatever I realized how your probably like me on your last nerve and all... so here *poors some rum for the both of us * bottoms up.


Howbout this walt free name? SimsFreedome

probably not the best name and for all I know it may be taken already but its all I could come up with at this moment... my brains fryed from stress.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 30, 00:50:45
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the level of stupidity that young people speek now adays is rediculous... Im not even that old and I think that. I dont want listen to all the Oh my gaud thats hot paris hilton like junk every day and thats why I only spoke on the adult site... trying to wade though 10-20 pages of a kiddy version of cute crulety is not my idea of fun.

Well, I tried to ignore any topics I was uninterested in, but I honestly can't even read twelvespeak at all, or many established Internet abbreviations for that matter (I still don't know what "FTW" means!).
Honestly, I think many of them will probably stay at the old InSim (if there's anything left of it) when the dust is settled, unfortunately. I don't want to generalize all the youngsters on that site, but I'd guess that most of the kids posting a hundred "whare can i findz mor pwetty hairz" threads don't care enough to leave. Hopefully I am just not giving them enough credit and they actually do care, but I just don't see them all leaving like they should.
However, if the kids turn out to be smarter than they seem, I will gladly shepherd them and lead them to new heights of grammatical clarity at our new bunker  :D. Hey... Maybe they should come up with a name for the site that has to do with nuclear war and all that, since we're running from the Walt apocalypse.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 30, 00:57:25
FTW means "For the Win!" Kinda like in competitions they will say "And Bob leaped into the sky for the win!"


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tabby on 2008 November 30, 00:57:48
FTW= For the win  ;)

 Edit: Oohh! Ninja'd


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 00:58:55
Falloutsims

SimsSOTF  (Survival Of The Fittest)



Hows that for nuclear war names? Mabey I can figure out more later... when my mind dosnt feel like its chased its own tail for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 30, 01:02:57
*poors some rum for the both of us * bottoms up.

woohoo! *hic*

yeah, sometimes my gob runs away with itself before the brain has kicked into gear when I'm hyped up

I guess we can all come up with some suitably apt or mushy names ... guess we'll just see what happens now


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 30, 01:05:46
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Falloutsims

I rather like that one.  :)
I can picture the front page graphic already.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 30, 01:08:23
Happy Birthday, Paden-cub.

To the person who was worried about contest stuff - and I'm too lazy and tired to go back and find out who you are - cat me if you want to - just talked to my sister, she grabbed a lot of the files from the contest area, so in the incredibly unlikely event that something goes wrong with Pes' efforts is that area, some of it, at least, is preserved. Have faith in Pescado and worry not.

No worries here. There are just people who would like to grab old entries when stuff is back up somewhere. A really large number of people do stories with them, and there were a few contests in progress that we're trying to salvage. But we have most of a workaround sorted out now, so we're just waiting.  :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 01:11:23
Which is why she has me to grab her and stuff her into a comfy chair with a plate of sandwiches.. C'mon, you sot, let's get something into your stomach aside from rum! Besides, you drank my share!!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 30, 01:13:54
cookies?? brownies?? chocolate??  ;D

sh-shh-share?? ...............

what share???


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 30, 01:18:46
Hmm, I'm still waiting on my piece of birthday cake.  And she drank ALL the rum??  That's really going to up the boredom on a Saturday nite. 

On a side note, I was looking back through my 71,000 + files of custom content (yes, I am a download ho) and I have quite a bit of stuff from Insim.  All of it is over 6 months old, however.  But, if there are things missing, I might possibly have them.  ;D

ETA:  Jewel, I wish you'd post more.  You are full of win.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 01:20:11
I rather like that one.  :)
I can picture the front page graphic already.

Yeah, I like FalloutSims also... Im picturing a mushroom cloud and sims climing out of wreckage... mabey the self sims of the insim staff so they can represent all of us insim members that had to abandon ship and become refugees.


*Opens up another bottle of rum and passes it around*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SnarkyShark on 2008 November 30, 01:20:56
Quote from: heartless
Well, I tried to ignore any topics I was uninterested in, but I honestly can't even read twelvespeak at all, or many established Internet abbreviations for that matter (I still don't know what "FTW" means!).

Are we talking about the 12 speak at InSim? Besides mashing the thanks button a few times - and one of those was totally insincere since I was just confirming that I had bought a gold star (?) for my avatar - I never really took part. Not edgy enough. And unlike PMBD, there was no cause involved  (well, other than seeing if Kathy could EVER pay off her fucking servers).

Paden, it's Beatle Boy's B-Day?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 01:22:31
Why does that not surprise me in the least? And, AW, watch for a text with something you needed earlier, ok? And yep, it be the Beatle-boy's birthday, he's all of five.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 30, 01:34:32
Got the text.  Takin care of business now.  Thx  :-*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SnarkyShark on 2008 November 30, 01:46:53
Quote from: Paden
And yep, it be the Beatle-boy's birthday, he's all of five.

Tell him Snarky wishes him a happy birthday -  :D. Also give him this advise: Never trust a gaming company (or overly needy site owners, for that matter). They'll take your money and break your heart, and then the only comfort you'll have left is in a bottle of rum. -  :-\

Meh. On second thought, just wish him a happy birthday from me. -  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lael on 2008 November 30, 01:51:52
Ok, couldn't come out of lurk mode until I had me flag to unfurl. I never imagined it flying in the smoking winds of Hurricane Walt though. I am a lurker on many sites, watching and learning and trying to stay out of trouble. My creating skills are extremely limited but I can appreciate the effort it takes for bigger and finer things. Many places I check daily, including InSim and InSimadult. My eyebrows pretty much took permanent refuge in my hairline about the same time as for everyone else.

One of the things about being a staunch lurker is that you come to see many sides to any particular topic. The thing that has impressed me most is how the larger community has put aside many of its oldest and dearest disputes in this catastrophic moment. It is a shining example of caring and just plain simple kindness. I am impressed and pleased to be a part of such a community. This very thing is part of what an outsider just can't understand. Sims players and Sims forums are unique when compared to any other game. Those that haven't played it, won't get it. Those that haven't taken part in forums and customizing their games, also won't get it.

I just want to say thank you to all of the mods, admins and heads of ALL of the forums. You give a lot to everyone by keeping content on the web where it can be found and enjoyed. You give a lot to us when sorting posts, downloads and assorted daily crap we never even hear about.

*cracks open a case of rum and hands out bottles*
Here's to ya and my thanks for it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 30, 01:58:55
and that ^ is why I love the sims community so much

more rum? i hear a hangover calling!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lael on 2008 November 30, 02:04:01
and that ^ is why I love the sims community so much

more rum? i hear a hangover calling!

Me dear, I have a few spare flags, if you'd like one... You seem somewhat naked 'mongst the company here. Let me know. I make the finest traditional colors ever to decorate a modern mast.

 ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: scoobnut on 2008 November 30, 02:07:11
Hi there :D  I've been a long time lurker at Insim and found it a great site, always friendly and helpful.
I have been following the Insim saga and am angery at the way things were done and don't trust Walt (but then I learnt a long time ago never trust anyone), Walt saw a chance of making money and took it way else would a non simmer get involved with a sim site, may we be designers, those that make hacks or the ones that give technical help we have a unique bond and that bond is the Sims and Walt will never understand, he has to play the game, get involved with the families he plays and love each sim, clap with enjoyment when their born and grieve when the go with the Reaper until then he will never understand us.
I think the site is doomed but was delighted to find the family (you guys) still going strong.
Sorry for being soppy I must have been hit on the head  ;)
I was thinking of a name and thought of the muskateers One for all and all for one and thought of the name All for sims or Sims for all after all we are just that all for sims
Hey! it could be worse, I'm a Star Trek lover..fan...nut  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: MistaEff on 2008 November 30, 02:11:41
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Pick on his stupidity, stubborness, and downright rude attitude. All of those he can help. But he cannot help his appearance.

That's totally fair, Missbonbon. But it's not the arrangement of the new CEO of "Insimenators.net"'s face that bothers me. It's that weird vibe he's got, like:

(http://i37.tinypic.com/t5i1bb.jpg)

Guy is creepy.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AW on 2008 November 30, 02:15:46
THAT was awesome.  Rum for you for your first post being full of win!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 02:18:31
Isn't that a young Anthony Perkins? That man could pull off creepy so damn well...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: chynna on 2008 November 30, 02:23:29
It does look remarably like him - and yes, creepy.....


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lael on 2008 November 30, 02:24:08
Yup, that would be creepy Perkins hisself. Perfect model for that business. Full of win indeed.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: MistaEff on 2008 November 30, 02:26:24
Mr. Norman Bates himself. I'm amazed that no one else posted something like it before me. And thanks for the rum, armywife. Now I need some banana ice-cream.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: JewelCG on 2008 November 30, 02:32:24
 :)

Thanks Army Wife..  not that I know who anyone is anymore, but still love all the people I knew once upon a time in other places.


I've been sitting here thinking and I can't for the life of me get the thought out of my head that there was once a site called fallout sims.  It might have been Sims 1. Too many years and been to way too many sites.  And besides, I did a google search for Fallout Sims and brought up lots of sites for Fallout 3.

Sooo...  I thought for a while and came up with this for a name..

SimsPhoenixRising.com


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 02:39:06
I like that one, it has definite possibilities.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 30, 02:39:48
I like it too.  :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SnarkyShark on 2008 November 30, 02:47:12
I'd prefer something along the lines of Kathy&EricPhailedUs-YouMustNot!.com


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: chynna on 2008 November 30, 02:51:21
But then you aren't leaving them in the dust....you're carrying them forward with you....It could be in the site manifesto though to eteranally hate/berate Eric/Kathy/Walt.....the spot that you have to agree to sign up.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: MistaEff on 2008 November 30, 02:53:20
How about InSimLiberator?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 02:57:26
*bust out laughing* InsimLiberator is perfect! *giggles*

*nearly dyes laughing then takes a nother swig of rum*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 03:00:45
We want nothing of the old name at all.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 30, 03:08:05
I still think fallout sims is a good name.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 03:09:37
It's being considered, along with a few others.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 30, 03:15:36
Well does anyone have any news on the progress of the site?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lael on 2008 November 30, 03:27:15
 :P Dead in the water until manual reset, I think.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 03:29:49
Yep, no quack, no duck. Water is still and nothing is stirring, not even a shark on simmer...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 03:30:22
Yeah, leaving the old name behind makes sence... gives us a fresh start to do things our way without having the constant memory of betrail... although their will probably be some homesick members who will want some form of the old name. But I think we need something that shows that we stuck to our guns and came together as a community after the mess. Something that shows we have pride in being former insim members who revolted against an idot would be tyrant...

But mabey thats my big headed self pride talking.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: karu on 2008 November 30, 03:40:00
It would be nice to have Insim.... something just to make it googleable, to help lost members find the insim community again.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 30, 03:46:11
It would be nice to have Insim.... something just to make it googleable, to help lost members find the insim community again.
Yeah, because if previous members can't find the site, it won't be the same.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: MistaEff on 2008 November 30, 03:55:10
Broken Home Sims?

Ugh... I made myself sad. I was trying to come up with something involving the words "emancipation" or "emancipated" since it is such a family site with many young people, but nothing worked.

It's like Mommy InSimenator broke up with Kathy & Eric and now this new guy Walt comes in and starts making out with the InSimenator right in front of us, and we're expected to just looove our new Daddy, and Mominator is distant now and we suspect that she lost us in the mall on purpose last time.

And then our new Dad Walt starts charging customers real money instead of marbles for lemonade from our playful, innocent lemonade stand.  Soon, he even begins plans to start charging us for supplies! When it's our damn lemon tree!

Then again, I was only a lurker at InSim until yesterday, so I guess my perspective is somewhat limited.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Aarron on 2008 November 30, 04:08:16
It's like Mommy InSimenator broke up with Kathy & Eric and now this new guy Walt comes in and starts making out with the InSimenator right in front of us, and we're expected to just looove our new Daddy, and Mominator is distant now and we suspect that she lost us in the mall on purpose last time.

And then our new Dad Walt starts charging customers real money instead of marbles for lemonade from our playful, innocent lemonade stand.  Soon, he even begins plans to start charging us for supplies! When it's our damn lemon tree!

Then again, I was only a lurker at InSim until yesterday, so I guess my perspective is somewhat limited.

Urg. nasty mental image, glad you dident mention walking in on Walt and mominator doing the dirty.

Anyway, as a fellow InSim lurker i'm glad everyone is banding together and trying to save it in one form or another from the Waltpocolipse.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 04:43:28
If you do a search for something dosnt it search the name of the site and the discription of the site? So if we say we are the clone of the old insim site then the people serching for their online home should be able to find it.

At lease I think thats how it works... seems to work for me when I search for stuff.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 30, 04:53:58
How about calling the site 'Artificial Insiminations' :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 05:01:36
Hummm... emancipation?

Freedome- InFreedomator
abolitionism-Inaboulitionsim
liberation- Liberationator

Ok, so I basterdised some words for ideas...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Feverish on 2008 November 30, 05:02:27
SimNation, SimPlenty, SimRising, SaintsandSimmers. Whatever the name, I hope you guys love it more than you did the last. Good luck with that.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 30, 05:04:29
Revolusim


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 30, 05:04:39
SimNation, SimPlenty, SimRising, SaintsandSimmers. Whatever the name, I hope you guys love it more than you did the last. Good luck with that.
As long as there's no Walt, we'll love it for sure, and with Pescado's bold sarcasm, that'll make it even better.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: EmilyTwitch on 2008 November 30, 05:12:00
Revolusim

I like it! I can totally picture a layout and everything for that.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Spookylicious on 2008 November 30, 05:17:20
I will certainley miss Insimenator.
I do like many other Sim sites,but for some reason Insim stands out from the rest unique in it's own way.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: cookiepirate on 2008 November 30, 05:32:59
You can always put something about InSim in the meta tags for people who google and then the name can be whatever gets picked.  I like FalloutSims personally.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 05:38:37
SRS Business status updates here (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,2233.0.html).


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 05:56:25
Which gives us a break down of what, oh wise and powerful Pescado? I'm still trying to comprehend some of it and think I have most of it, but would prefer if you in your wisdom would just explain it all to the masses, of which I am only one.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: crunk on 2008 November 30, 05:58:44
Which gives us a break down of what, oh wise and powerful Pescado? I'm still trying to comprehend some of it and think I have most of it, but would prefer if you in your wisdom would just explain it all to the masses, of which I am only one.

I read it as: I have a bunch of the stuff, but not all of it, here's the music I'm listening to.

Beige, really?  ???


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: JewelCG on 2008 November 30, 06:05:19
Paden..

Would like to send you a PM, but your box is full..   :o


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 06:06:59
I also read it as I have a bunch of it done but still more to go and hear is what im listening to as Im working my rear off.

*claps and cheers Pescado on* Yay!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Yaardarm Monkey II on 2008 November 30, 06:11:07
I like FalloutSims personally.


 :-\  that sounds too close to Fall Out Boy ...that emo band  :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 06:13:50
I'm on it to get some space!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: cookiepirate on 2008 November 30, 06:21:44
I like FalloutSims personally.


 :-\  that sounds too close to Fall Out Boy ...that emo band  :P

Don't know emo from smemo...LOL!  I'm more a country cookiepirate.  Fallout reminded me of the game Far Cry 2, war, destruction, takeover... :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Killzone on 2008 November 30, 06:28:20
Well, ISA is up, but loading slowly...and looks like a fair bit barer than before...particularly Gothplagues is gone, and Mavine and BBB's section is mostly missing


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: vindi on 2008 November 30, 06:28:34
I like FalloutSims personally.


 :-\  that sounds too close to Fall Out Boy ...that emo band  :P
Noes! This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_characters_within_The_Simpsons#Fallout_Boy) is the real fallout boy. :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 06:35:10
Well, ISA is up, but loading slowly...and looks like a fair bit barer than before...particularly Gothplagues is gone, and Mavine and BBB's section is mostly missing
See why I told you not to burn in the middle of this? You probably corrupted the transfer.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 06:40:50
Why am I seized by the sudden urge to scream, "She canna take much more, Cap'n! Th' dilithium crystals ha' cracked clean through an' we're goin' to lose life support any minute now!! I'm givin' ya all the power I can, but she's gonna blow!" God, I've been awake too fucking long today...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Henbane on 2008 November 30, 06:42:36
We have Pes playing Gustav Holst's "Mars. the Bringer of War"

I guess this means war, huh?

(ETA: I must say, I am slightly surprised, but quite pleased)

ETA2: Meaning I am surprised and quite pleased at Pes' choice of music. I do enjoy getting these tiny glimpses into the "man" every so often.

Of course I know about the ongoing battle.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 06:45:24
It's been war since the fucking email Walt sent to the staff and then posted it up on the front page of InSIM. I think Pes just got around to officially pronouncing it as such, though.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: nixy on 2008 November 30, 06:46:26
I understand that Gothplague emptied out all her threads herself - everything disappeared while I was in the middle of downloading it yesterday afternoon - so it should be gone.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Henbane on 2008 November 30, 06:48:46
I only meant that Pes never ceases to amaze me in culture.

The war, I knew.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Killzone on 2008 November 30, 06:50:31
Goths Section Title:-

Gothplague's Gear
it's all gone :) i'm the fuck outta here


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 06:53:48
aw... now I feel like the name is ruined... dang emos. *giggles*

I think either gothplague herself did it or that she got someone who managed to get into the site to do it for her... but Im not for shure... I been on so many diffrent sites trying to keep up with whats going on with everyone that my brain is compleatly on the fritz


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 06:55:58
Yeah, she's pretty much had it with the whole place, I'm afraid.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zillah on 2008 November 30, 06:59:47
Pretty sure GP cleaned out her section personally. I think she's taking a break from the Sims for a bit.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 07:02:31
meltz0r3d! And I saw like 300 visitors on the site at the time, so clearly you people do not listen.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: rosess on 2008 November 30, 07:07:51
Deleting just slows the servers.  Unless someone has been given the option to "physically remove" threads, everything is just two clicks from restoration.  There's a deleted posts queue, so finding and restoring threads takes all of a few seconds.  Even posts that were edited before deletion can generally be restored without bothering with database backups.  So, under current circumstances, deleting threads is definitely counter-productive.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 07:11:35
I been trying to stay away... but theirs some people not in on it yet... I had to post on my myspace account what was happening for some of my friends who havent been on the site for a few days... even then I only reached one of them on their. Plus I have a worried story writer friend who is driving herself nuts over her adult sims story and I dont blame her... Its a wonderflu work of creativity and took her many hours of thought and work... she dosnt have a back up and just wants a little reashurance that the story forum will be copyed in whole... picts and all... she might have tryed to get on to copy her work. I dont blame her... its rough... shes been working on that story for a long time and now its almost to its conclusion. As for the other hundreds of people on their... apperently randome panic, ignorance, homesickness could be to blame but theirs probably a few who are just stupid and tryed just cause.

Plus people always want to stop by and watch a wreck... morbid curriousity.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 07:13:21
Well, we've extracted about 5 GBs of ISA data, possibly including said stupid story, and definitely all of the text. And if you didn't all keep dogpiling onto the server until it meltz0rs, this would go faster.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 07:16:21
meltz0r3d! And I saw like 300 visitors on the site at the time, so clearly you people do not listen.

For those of us who do listen, I rest assured you will tell us when to commence gawking.  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: giggy on 2008 November 30, 07:18:18
Are you going to try again? or is it too late?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 07:19:21
Thank you for the reply and for doing all of this. I appriciate it and my friend with the absolutly wonderflu story will be happy to hear that.

*ignores any negative comments from person helping to save my home*

As for the other hundreds of people trying to be on their hindering your progress... If I knew who they where I would personally put a Cat O Nines to their rears.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 07:22:31
Some of us had the good sense to stay the hell out of the way. Some did not. Others just did not know. Too bad Walt's shit couldn't be replaced with, "Move along, nothing to see here, ya'll go home now while we clean up the scene of the crime. Rubber neckers will be beaten with milk jugs filled with cement and then thrown into a vat of boiling sharks after being being partially immolated."


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 07:26:28
Are you going to try again? or is it too late?
Efforts will continue until they are no longer possible. We have to stop when the cheezserver becomes meltz0r3d, though, which is a REAL HINDRANCE.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Light_Angel on 2008 November 30, 07:29:05
Deleting just slows the servers.  Unless someone has been given the option to "physically remove" threads, everything is just two clicks from restoration.  There's a deleted posts queue, so finding and restoring threads takes all of a few seconds.  Even posts that were edited before deletion can generally be restored without bothering with database backups.  So, under current circumstances, deleting threads is definitely counter-productive.

The threads themselves may be able to be brought back, but how about those deleted attachments for them also?  When I checked GP's section for myself before Friday evening's meltdown, all the attachments in the section were "awol", guest recolors and all.  Are those also restoreable, or are they pretty much moot since the "deletion"?

(I really wish people would resist the urge to stay off InSIM for now.  It's not helping matters if we have to keep waiting for the crap-shooting server to get rebooted...) 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kattenijin on 2008 November 30, 07:46:58
meltz0r3d! And I saw like 300 visitors on the site at the time, so clearly you people do not listen.

It's probably the 12s. I poked around some of the more 12ish sites I know, and they were all "OMG!!!11eleventyone! Wher'z Insim?!"

No info on any of the sites of value about what was going on, so I posted and ran so I wouldn't get glomped by their 12ness.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lael on 2008 November 30, 07:47:38
There are plenty of lost souls that don't have a clue or know about the potential resurrection of the site at the hands of the Pirate King. Given the sheer number of people away for the weekend and getting home and trying to log on, I really am not all that surprised. Realistically, only a fraction of the InSim members know what Pescado is doing and though we try to get the word out and around, most of them can't be reached. Also those that only come on sporadically, they wouldn't know either. With a huge membership, plus lookie loos that don't give a crap one way or another... what do we do?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 30, 07:48:14
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When I checked GP's section for myself before Friday evening's meltdown, all the attachments in the section were "awol", guest recolors and all.  Are those also restoreable, or are they pretty much moot since the "deletion"?

I took a nap and three pages popped up!
Hm, does this mean the evil Walt might be able to get his new toys back as well?

Yeah, the 300 visitors were probably the 12s. I don't recall the average number of visitors to that site at any given time, but I'm sure it was a lot larger than that.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 07:50:07
No info on any of the sites of value about what was going on, so I posted and ran so I wouldn't get glomped by their 12ness.

 :D Next 12 I see, I'm gonna make them glomp you.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: rosess on 2008 November 30, 07:50:28
The threads themselves may be able to be brought back, but how about those deleted attachments for them also?  When I checked GP's section for myself before Friday evening's meltdown, all the attachments in the section were "awol", guest recolors and all.  Are those also restoreable, or are they pretty much moot since the "deletion"?
For the non-Sims site I work on, there is an option for mods and up to remove attachments when deleting posts.  Not sure if they use it, but I have never had a problem restoring attachments when necessary.  Besides, at worst you go back to the last database or server backup.

Items can still be deleted in protest and a fuss made if they are restored without permission, but for the time being, deleting anything just increases the number of people who see the rug pulled out from under them.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lael on 2008 November 30, 07:50:47
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When I checked GP's section for myself before Friday evening's meltdown, all the attachments in the section were "awol", guest recolors and all.  Are those also restoreable, or are they pretty much moot since the "deletion"?

I took a nap and three pages popped up!
Hm, does this mean the evil Walt might be able to get his new toys back as well?

Yeah, the 300 visitors were probably the 12s. I don't recall the average number of visitors to that site at any given time, but I'm sure it was a lot larger than that.

Actually, with my random hour lurkerness, the #'s I can recall are between 350 to 600 at a go.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 30, 07:53:15
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Actually, with my random hour lurkerness, the #'s I can recall are between 350 to 600 at a go.

Darn. Then apparently a lot more people than I thought are either not hearing the message to stay away or completely disregarding it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kattenijin on 2008 November 30, 08:00:09
No info on any of the sites of value about what was going on, so I posted and ran so I wouldn't get glomped by their 12ness.

 :D Next 12 I see, I'm gonna make them glomp you.

Nonononononono!!! I'm still recovering from the nephews and nieces from Thanksgiving! This time of year always reminds me why I don't want kids of my own.

350-600 seems kind of low to me, about a quarter to half of the normal total.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 08:01:31
Items can still be deleted in protest and a fuss made if they are restored without permission, but for the time being, deleting anything just increases the number of people who see the rug pulled out from under them.
Actually, all information available suggests that there IS no backup, at least not one that is COMPLETE in any way, and if the site is incinerated by, say, someone deleting all the attachments, or Liegenschonheit removing a few DB tables, Hasta la Vista, Baby.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lael on 2008 November 30, 08:03:12
I was on InSim at extremely odd hours... 2am, 10am, such and so forth. Dunno, like I said, that is just what I can recall. I didn't always look at how many people were there when I lurked.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Light_Angel on 2008 November 30, 08:03:57
The threads themselves may be able to be brought back, but how about those deleted attachments for them also?  When I checked GP's section for myself before Friday evening's meltdown, all the attachments in the section were "awol", guest recolors and all.  Are those also restoreable, or are they pretty much moot since the "deletion"?
For the non-Sims site I work on, there is an option for mods and up to remove attachments when deleting posts.  Not sure if they use it, but I have never had a problem restoring attachments when necessary.  Besides, at worst you go back to the last database or server backup.

Items can still be deleted in protest and a fuss made if they are restored without permission, but for the time being, deleting anything just increases the number of people who see the rug pulled out from under them.

Actually, all information available suggests that there IS no backup, at least not one that is COMPLETE in any way, and if the site is incinerated by, say, someone deleting all the attachments, or Liegenschonheit removing a few DB tables, Hasta la Vista, Baby.

Ah, I see.  Thanks for the info.   :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kattenijin on 2008 November 30, 08:04:24
Oooh! Fire! I wanna be in at the burning, I'll bring marshmallows and rum for all.

Wait...

Um, no rum, how about Courvoisier?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 30, 08:13:44
For a "business" man, Walt is made up of so much phail. I imagine mommy banrolled his latest "investment". Now she gets to hear at some point in time, her precious son has phailed yet again.
I did watch that video where he sat in front of the goofy wallpaper and tried to sell his on-line website. Yup, I'm sooo gonna contact him after seeing that to have him promote me in my business attempt on the internetz.
Oh yeah, I'm gonna want some idiot like him to assist me, when other sites offer the exact same thing, only the spokeperson or owner at least knows how to put forward a professional sales presentation.
Makes you wonder how many other so-called "investment" mommy has bankrolled. Keep it up Walt, that inheritance you are counting on isn't going to last forever.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: heartless on 2008 November 30, 08:16:38
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I did watch that video where he sat in front of the goofy wallpaper and tried to sell his on-line website.

You mean the Nemo wallpaper?
Who wants to bet that's his basement bedroom in his mother's house.  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Aarron on 2008 November 30, 09:02:36
There are plenty of lost souls that don't have a clue or know about the potential resurrection of the site at the hands of the Pirate King.

True. If i hadent googled for more info on what was going on i'd probly still be trying to log in to see what was up. Still, would of thought the 300 odd peeps would of had the good sence to do the same.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lael on 2008 November 30, 09:25:32
Aarron, if it is 12's, they may not have thought of that. That age bracket can get extremely one-track and stubborn about it. If memory serves, once upon a really long ago, I was known to keep at a video game for hours until I beat the damn thing. It isn't a far stretch that hundreds of teens are stubbornly hitting refresh and not looking for other ways to find out what is wrong with their site.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Mirabilia on 2008 November 30, 09:33:38
70 pages...wow! 

I was an InSim regular for a few months before RL got in the way, then I mostly lurked.  I didn't know what was going on until a friend posted about it on MySpace.

Thanks TK, for letting me know the forum was gone.

Thanks, Pescado, for doing your best to grab what's left of the site.  I look forward to whatever you come up with, as I'm sure it'll be better than ever.

And hello, Pirates! I look forward to getting to know you.  I'm sure I recognize some of you, but you "look" a little different in your eye patches.  Or maybe I've had too much rum.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: jokerswild on 2008 November 30, 09:43:31
None of you really know me so take this for what you will but none of it is meant to be offensive, to bash or to take anyone's side. I think there's plenty of that around this whole affair and I, out of reflex, have already contributed my small part early on.

After reading every single post in this thread and many at the Insim sites yesterday, I saw a lot of people pretty upset about "Our Site". I too once considered it that way and I didn't contribute near as much as many others. Yet, I too was totally pissed for a bit. But then I realized something I had over looked. The old Forum Jedi Mind Trick!!! I've played this one on myself a few times before.

I'm not taking sides on the Eric and Kathy thing. I will say, they offered sites for many to share our hobby for some time, and apparently they pissed a lot of people off in the end.  That doesn't seem right. But just to point out a hard cold fact. They owned the site. Old FORUM JEDI MIND TRICK>>>It never did belong to the community. That's the way with many sites. In the end the community shouldn't be indignant about "Our Site" for it never really was, it was the Jedi mind trick.Why waste any more time to morn, piss and moan about something that never was. Let's move on to something that is hopefully better.

Walt, whomever this person might be, apparently didn't know to much if anything about these communities. That is about all I can say from what I've seen in his few posts. Other than that, he remains a nobody to me. Wait that's not entirely true. I did have the thought of a market plan for dart boards. It was only for the Benjamins and I didn't file for a patent.

Maybe it's just me but the whole name thing kind of had me thinking. Even though the names I see mentioned are amusing, commemorative and inventive they still seem to in some way refer to what has happened. Why make any reference at all to what is happening? Spite? How can a site truely have a new beggining when the very name is tainted with bad thoughts?

So that's my current thoughts on the whole mess. Take them for what they are worth. Use them if you can and ignore them if you can't. It's nice to be able to voice them openly. I really don't want to debate any of this post, it's just offered as food for thought.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saraswati on 2008 November 30, 09:52:01
Hey Jokerswild.. the way things run in the Sims community, it's a "community" which means that it belongs to everyone who choses to be a part of it, and everyone has a stake in it. So the person who owns the site while they're the figurehead and make the decisions, they're nothing without the people behind them.. Which is why I'm always very careful with the people I work with on RYG and Sublime.. I'm not saying I don't make mistakes, I do.. but I'm very aware that they own things and have a stake as much as me. It's a two-way trade or it doesn't work.

The people who're upset about this are upset about it because they've poured their heart and soul into this site, helped Kathy and Eric out and gotten nowhere.. so they've got a right to feel how they feel. It's an each to their own thing.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lael on 2008 November 30, 09:55:08
No debate needed, Jokerswild. I think what you said makes very real sense about moving on. And a healthy attitude too. Good on you, bloke.

*passes the rum bottle over*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Immortelle on 2008 November 30, 09:56:28
btw. jokerswild.  A little suggestion.  Don't double post.  There's a button if you look, that says 'modify'.  Its your bestest friend in the whole wild world, and will save you from the acidic tongues of other pirates.  This site ain't sugar coated like most forums are.  Slip up and you get toasted, nicely.  Trust me on this one.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: jokerswild on 2008 November 30, 10:06:03
btw. jokerswild.  A little suggestion.  Don't double post.  There's a button if you look, that says 'modify'.  Its your bestest friend in the whole wild world, and will save you from the acidic tongues of other pirates.  This site ain't sugar coated like most forums are.  Slip up and you get toasted, nicely.  Trust me on this one.

Thanks,edited it several times in Word but missed that typo before the actual post, I figured there was a button somewhere but not that familiar with SMF layout and my hover search didn't locate it Probably because I was looking for "Edit".

I noticed the forum tone but thanks for the heads up any way.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 10:12:34
This is complete carnage!   It's not something I am particularly affected by player-wise as the only files I ever downloaded from there were by Squinge, and we know he already has everything safe.   I am not even affected emotionally as I always found the forums a complete turnoff, other than where there was some fight going on, but even they got frustrating as usually someone closed the threads just as it was getting good.  :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Rata_Chen on 2008 November 30, 10:13:49
I leave for a week and, DAMN! This is bull. InSim was not my #1 go-to site, but they housed damn good genetics that I loved in-game. Now, I don't even want to (can't) access the site for the goodies that I need to re-download. I can't wait for Waltergate to be over...

But, killer effort y'all. Hopefully all of the downloads, not just those of the "big" creators, will be secured on a new site before too long.
 
Pescado, awesome, managing to secure the downloads while inadvertently crashing the site...kudos!

Edit: Can someone explain Warplan Beige auf English? Ich bin sehr konfus.  ???


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 30, 10:23:29
Rant ahead:

The community paid for that site. You damn well bet it was the community's site. Kathy just popped in occasionally to bitch and whine and blackmail. As for the insiminator, it's just in-game cheats applied to in-game graphics. Yeah, boy howdy, Kathy and Eric sure did a fuck of a lot for everyone, didn't they.

You know what, I'm really ticked off that no one, including me, called Kathy and Eric to the carpet for their bullcrap. So many of us saw that something seriously fishy was happening. We didn't say anything because it was a "free" site, and because anyone who tried to go up against Kathy would be screamed at by her and many of her followers. That's fucked up.

I think paysites are at least partly to blame for this. The Sims community is ready to lay down and worship at the feet of anyone who runs a free site, no matter what shit the freesite owner pulls. This is NOT NORMAL. Other gaming communities do not do this. In other communities, shockingly, it's quite normal for modders/hackers/creators to thank people who use their products. Here, because of paysites, if a creator doesn't charge, they are apparently to be worshiped and never questioned. After all, no matter how much disgusting bullshit owners of freesites pull, they're free so let us worship. It's outrageous.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: AnubisDaughter on 2008 November 30, 10:28:29
I have lurked here for a very long time.  I have lurked simply because I have been trying to avoid being beaten with any concrete filled crockery.  But I am prepared to be beaten to death-with-all-things-concrete now, because to stay quiet at this time just doesn't sit right with me.

I believe that the integrity, generosity of spirit, and selflessness displayed by the Pirate King, himself, and those who are working tirelessely (or tired, as the case may be) along side him, speaks volumes about everything that is good and noble about PMBD and what it stands for.  Big words are spoken here, but they are backed up by big deeds, and 'Warplan Beige' is one mighty big deed, imo.

Although the 'demise' of Insim is shocking and sad, I am a happy member of the Sims community tonight.  I am happy, because I am a member of a community that contains persons like your good selves.

PMBD may be despised by some (imo ignorant) people in the community, but I feel nothing but pride for this place, and the people here.  I also feel pride in the members of other forums who are trying to get the word out to stay away from Insim while Pescado does his thing.  People are banding together and it is truely inspiring.

Yeah, I know that this is a rather soppy post.  But I am moved, damn it!  Bloody well moved by the efforts being made by those who are offering a helping hand at a time of need.

Ok.  Hit me with something concrete, or pass me some rum.  It's time to STFU now  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 30, 10:34:01
Is there no way to deter or prevent access to everyone except Pescado?

As for Warplan Beige, I'm guessing that Pescado has got the core server files for InSIM. Everything on InSIMadult (with "damaged" probably referring to missing files pillaged during the riot looting or some sort of corrupted transfer) and has an unknown status on the InSIM files. That's how it came across to me anyway. Throw me into the vat of boiling sharks if I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 10:47:08
ISA files were truncated by a cheezserver meltage. They are thus "incomplete" and many attachments and other whatnots are MIA. We will attempt to retrieve them. Coretexts have already been captured.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: BlackBeards Bitch on 2008 November 30, 11:01:03
Good luck with all'a this Pes...hell of a task to take on!!!
Ive managed to stay clear on the Wart-Zone since I heard and that's a miricle.... just keep refreshing here instead. Eledhel has the stuff by ElvenRanger backed up if you didnt get it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 11:05:43
Pescado, at times during this operation, have you felt ever so slightly like Canute? 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 11:21:45
Pescado, at times during this operation, have you felt ever so slightly like Canute?
Not particularly. For one, *I* would never have anything to do with ANY EMMA!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Vkitty on 2008 November 30, 11:53:21
Rant ahead:

The community paid for that site. You damn well bet it was the community's site. Kathy just popped in occasionally to bitch and whine and blackmail. As for the insiminator, it's just in-game cheats applied to in-game graphics. Yeah, boy howdy, Kathy and Eric sure did a fuck of a lot for everyone, didn't they.

You know what, I'm really ticked off that no one, including me, called Kathy and Eric to the carpet for their bullcrap. So many of us saw that something seriously fishy was happening. We didn't say anything because it was a "free" site, and because anyone who tried to go up against Kathy would be screamed at by her and many of her followers. That's fucked up.

I think paysites are at least partly to blame for this. The Sims community is ready to lay down and worship at the feet of anyone who runs a free site, no matter what shit the freesite owner pulls. This is NOT NORMAL. Other gaming communities do not do this. In other communities, shockingly, it's quite normal for modders/hackers/creators to thank people who use their products. Here, because of paysites, if a creator doesn't charge, they are apparently to be worshiped and never questioned. After all, no matter how much disgusting bullshit owners of freesites pull, they're free so let us worship. It's outrageous.

neriana I've been thinking on that for a while. I agree that paysites are partially to blame but I also think that its a backlash from the paysite debate.
Now it seems that its normal for some freesite owners as well as free creators to treat people like shit cuz hey they're free! as if just being free elevates you to some sort of saint status.
As for the insim I've posted some things there a long time ago but mostly lurked and downloaded as I understand a lot did, what makes me mad about what K&E did that insim was a community not a business and they just sold off without as much as "so long and thanks for all the fish" to the people that helped them to build that community as well as all the people that made it what it was, what a way to tell people that they mean shit.

(I hope that made sense cuz I'm sick like a dog right now)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: avaly on 2008 November 30, 12:10:01
Im just in awe of how great the sims community truly is and how we have all come together over this

And had to throw in a name suggestion
how about ReFuSim   (as in the fusion of the sims community saying We Refuse To Be Sold Out To Him!)
 ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 12:26:39
The community paid for that site. You damn well bet it was the community's site. Kathy just popped in occasionally to bitch and whine and blackmail. As for the insiminator, it's just in-game cheats applied to in-game graphics. Yeah, boy howdy, Kathy and Eric sure did a fuck of a lot for everyone, didn't they.
...yeah, about that.

There will be some changes in this regard.
First, all the "Contributor" titles from WIS will be null and void under WFIS. It should seem intuitively obvious WHY this will occur, but I'm going to declare it here as a heads-up, so no one here will be terribly surprised. As contributions towards KEIS, which is now WIS, don't benefit us in any way, KEIS/WIS titles are obviously void under WFIS. You'll get to keep them on WIS, though...for what that's worth.

Secondly, at some point in the near future, we expect to exceed the resources available to the provisional servers I have commandeered and reprovisioned for this. At this point, it will become necessary to purchase dedicated expansion hosting. As usual, I plan to pick the most cost-competitive option that fills our needs, but it WILL become necessary to hold a fundraiser (and thus re-award contributor titles). Unlike Kathy and Eric, this will be announced in advance and there will not be a "ZOMG THE SKY IS FALLING" guilt trip that accompanies it, much like how it works on here/MATY, where the renewal bills were announced more than 3 months in advance. I do things predictably, and with a plan. This is that plan.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SoggyFox on 2008 November 30, 12:34:12
Yay for plans!

And if I ever treat people like poop just because I'm a free creator, someone smack me, okay?  Not real likely to happen, but its out there.  And maybe we should take this as a note, as a community, and start policing ourselves a bit more.  Maybe we should be willing to tell free creators they are making complete asses of themselves.

Afterall, the AA was willing to go after freesites that were stealing someone else's content - it just seemed like in most cases the thieves were paysites. [Big surprise, I know]

Anyway, I've been good - been just checking other sites for status on the warplans and the like - about to do my biyearly CC cleanup and seeing how much of html coding I can remember without my book.  Luckily, I have copies of old pages on my computer somewhere :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 12:45:09
Pes, if you're worried about exceeding resources, can't you just bludgeon the admins into killing all those nightmarish Who is On Top of Me threads?   That should halve the load, and might induce me to visit more often (which will put the loading back up - you can't win)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SnarkyShark on 2008 November 30, 12:51:58
Quote from: Pescado
There will be some changes in this regard. First, all the "Contributor" titles from WIS will be null and void under WFIS.

Since many of us "Contributors" were very likely being conned anyway, it just makes sense to ditch it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 12:52:33
I'm not taking sides on the Eric and Kathy thing. I will say, they offered sites for many to share our hobby for some time, and apparently they pissed a lot of people off in the end.  That doesn't seem right. But just to point out a hard cold fact. They owned the site. Old FORUM JEDI MIND TRICK>>>It never did belong to the community. That's the way with many sites. In the end the community shouldn't be indignant about "Our Site" for it never really was, it was the Jedi mind trick.Why waste any more time to morn, piss and moan about something that never was. Let's move on to something that is hopefully better.

I disagree.  While it is a fact that they owned the administration of the site, and were able to sell it, as well as they were the "owners" of their own creations, they did not in fact own the whole of Insimenator.   A great deal of it belonged to the community - it had sections like community creations, where users put up their own creations, and lots of things about community. In fact, if you look here (http://www.sims2wiki.info/images/0/0c/Insimenator.jpg) you'll find that the previous owners refer to it as a community themselves.  

Furthermore, unlike any other forum in the sims community at the moment, the moderators and creators maintained the sites for a long while without any guidance from the owners at the time, no communications.  They did not merely come to the site and share in what was given to them, give thanks and move on.  A lot of people put a lot of work into keeping it going, and holding up what was essentially the job of the owners.  

As much as the Kathy and Eric owned the domain, the forum, the server space and everything else, without the people who moderated and helped and kept coming back, they would have in fact owned nothing, or something that was worth nothing.  Without the hard work of these people, Kathy and Eric would have had nothing whatsoever to sell. They took the donations of time, hard work, and the cash of donators to keep something alive long enough for them to sell it.

I realise that this is probably your way of being positive and motivating - but I think that their contributions shouldn't be minimalised, and the loss and betrayal they are feeling is normal.  The previous owners robbed them of resources under the guise of friendship, and promptly sold them out to a business.

You know what, I'm really ticked off that no one, including me, called Kathy and Eric to the carpet for their bullcrap. So many of us saw that something seriously fishy was happening. We didn't say anything because it was a "free" site, and because anyone who tried to go up against Kathy would be screamed at by her and many of her followers. That's fucked up.

Ah but the problem is that now they've tried to sell it, there is something concrete concerning what the site makes and doesn't make. Whether that site advertisement is real or a lie, it proves that they're lying to someone. Before, one could speculate and tear them down for no reason - for no purpose - and it probably wouldn't work because of said dogpiling.  Now, there is concrete documents (as concrete as the internet gets) and therefore we can call them on their lies - either their lies to Walt, or their lies to donators.  We were able to critique the anti-PMBD policy based on actual concrete statements by the site owners, but before that, we couldn't speculate based on feelings of unwelcome there.

neriana I've been thinking on that for a while. I agree that paysites are partially to blame but I also think that its a backlash from the paysite debate.
Now it seems that its normal for some freesite owners as well as free creators to treat people like shit cuz hey they're free! as if just being free elevates you to some sort of saint status.

I think that this attitude is fostered by the owners/creators themselves.  Pescado for example - no one mistakes the fact that he doesn't wish to be treated like a royal princess.  beosboxboy - that's another story.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paleoanth on 2008 November 30, 13:13:29
I'm not taking sides on the Eric and Kathy thing. I will say, they offered sites for many to share our hobby for some time, and apparently they pissed a lot of people off in the end.  That doesn't seem right. But just to point out a hard cold fact. They owned the site. Old FORUM JEDI MIND TRICK>>>It never did belong to the community. That's the way with many sites. In the end the community shouldn't be indignant about "Our Site" for it never really was, it was the Jedi mind trick.Why waste any more time to morn, piss and moan about something that never was. Let's move on to something that is hopefully better.

I disagree.  While it is a fact that they owned the administration of the site, and were able to sell it, as well as they were the "owners" of their own creations, they did not in fact own the whole of Insimenator.   A great deal of it belonged to the community - it had sections like community creations, where users put up their own creations, and lots of things about community. In fact, if you look here (http://www.sims2wiki.info/images/0/0c/Insimenator.jpg) you'll find that the previous owners refer to it as a community themselves. 

Furthermore, unlike any other forum in the sims community at the moment, the moderators and creators maintained the sites for a long while without any guidance from the owners at the time, no communications.  They did not merely come to the site and share in what was given to them, give thanks and move on.  A lot of people put a lot of work into keeping it going, and holding up what was essentially the job of the owners. 

As much as the Kathy and Eric owned the domain, the forum, the server space and everything else, without the people who moderated and helped and kept coming back, they would have in fact owned nothing, or something that was worth nothing.  Without the hard work of these people, Kathy and Eric would have had nothing whatsoever to sell. They took the donations of time, hard work, and the cash of donators to keep something alive long enough for them to sell it.


^This.  I have stayed out of this discussion because I never contributed any creations to Insim.  I did, however, send Kathy monies because I believe in free sites and I wanted to support it-even though I didn't visit often.  K/E may have owned the domain name and whatever, but as clearly shown in the past couple of days, it was the community's site as creators are taking down their things and what will be left is a husk.  People trying to reconstruct and new and improved version is another example.  It is people that make a community and the people have obviously decided that their home is no longer their home.  The community is stronger than a domain name.  There is no real site without contributors, either in postings, moderatings, contests, or creations (This, incidentally, is why TSR will not allow their creators (with some FA exceptions) to have the ability to remove their own things from the site).   

I wish people would have wait to burn before the pillaging was completed, but I can understand the panic and desire to get their stuff off as fast as possible. 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 30, 13:14:22
please don't ever think that we're not really very grateful for what's being done and I'd like to apologise again for my terseness yesterday

I'm trying to rally the staff to a central point, I've got something going now, such as it is, but thanks so much to those that have offered space for us somewhere while the new site gets going

so, to that end, if there's any staff that I haven't contacted - and there are quite a few coz I don't have all your details, please get in touch and I'll direct you all

now for the mushyness that we tend to be known for ... *huggles to you all*

Ali xx

eta ... on the donation drive front .. I donated to insim so sure as hell can donate to wherever needs be to get the new site running, just point me to where I can do so


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 13:15:24
And if I ever treat people like poop just because I'm a free creator, someone smack me, okay?  Not real likely to happen, but its out there.  And maybe we should take this as a note, as a community, and start policing ourselves a bit more.  Maybe we should be willing to tell free creators they are making complete asses of themselves.
Wait, wait, you need a REASON to treat people like crap? I mean, look at me! I don't treat people like crap because I'm a free creator. I treat people like crap because I'm a jerk! Who needs fancy, convoluted reasons when common jackassery is all that is required?

Pes, if you're worried about exceeding resources, can't you just bludgeon the admins into killing all those nightmarish Who is On Top of Me threads?   That should halve the load, and might induce me to visit more often (which will put the loading back up - you can't win)
I could. In fact, I'm going to conduct a purge of the DB to remove all those dead accounts and remove mandatory registration, which does nothing except generate irritation, extra pageviews as people stumble through the stupid registration hoops, and generates more DB bloat, and soforth. Nonetheless, "worrying" is what I do. It's what has kept me alive all these years. Not worrying worries me!

Ah but the problem is that now they've tried to sell it, there is something concrete concerning what the site makes and doesn't make. Whether that site advertisement is real or a lie, it proves that they're lying to someone.
The advertisements will be burned at the stake immediately, because they'd be filthy Waltish advertisements. Whether or not they will be reinstated for funding purposes will be put to vote. I personally oppose them, but it's up to peasants whether they prefer to be spammed or donate.

Ah but the problem is that now they've tried to sell it, there is something concrete concerning what the site makes and doesn't make. Whether that site advertisement is real or a lie, it proves that they're lying to someone. Before, one could speculate and tear them down for no reason - for no purpose - and it probably wouldn't work because of said dogpiling.  Now, there is concrete documents (as concrete as the internet gets) and therefore we can call them on their lies - either their lies to Walt, or their lies to donators.  We were able to critique the anti-PMBD policy based on actual concrete statements by the site owners, but before that, we couldn't speculate based on feelings of unwelcome there.
The Anti-PMBD policy will be burned at the stake. A clear and coherent policy will be issued. All who question the word of El Presidente shall be tied naked to steel scaffolding and beaten with cement-filled milk jugs!

I think that this attitude is fostered by the owners/creators themselves.  Pescado for example - no one mistakes the fact that he doesn't wish to be treated like a royal princess.  beosboxboy - that's another story.
Pah! Royal princesses. Pathetic inbred sops! You know why they're called "bluebloods"? Because their feeble lungs cannot oxygenate enough blood to power their tiny shrivelled brains!

And BeosBoxBoy will be summarily fired as an Infidel Paysitist Dog. Live free or die! Viva La Revolucion!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 30, 13:16:22
Pes, if you're worried about exceeding resources, can't you just bludgeon the admins into killing all those nightmarish Who is On Top of Me threads?   That should halve the load, and might induce me to visit more often (which will put the loading back up - you can't win)
'Helping' does not mean 'reform to personal tastes', ya know. ;)
There's already enough shock going through the members, if someone tries to dictate conditions to help someone out when it's not really neccecary, it's not real help.

That also means Pescado, before you start firing people or changing rules, you will HAVE to let staff decide about it. Otherwise you're just stealing a site and not helping the community, like Walt was. I'm sure staff will do what they think works best for Insim.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 13:19:29
'Helping' does not mean 'reform to personal tastes', ya know. ;)
There's already enough shock going through the members, if someone tries to dictate conditions to help someone out when it's not really neccecary, it's not real help.
There are no plans to eliminate the silly games unless it is necessary as part of critical load-shedding. I figure it's part of their culture and won't specifically aim to disturb it unless necessary.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 30, 13:23:52
Let staff vote/decide on any change of rules. Otherwise, I think for alot of the staff it's a no-go. And I think they would be right, sorry to say. The very thing that pissed them off was someone changing their site without consent.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 30, 13:24:13
The Anti-PMBD policy will be burned at the stake

amen to that ... I have already put that point forward to the troops and had it emphatically agreed with

however, there were moves afoot to make insim neutral which we know was burned down by beos and Kathy ... I would be nice if REAL neutrality could be attained

we shall see I guess


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anouk on 2008 November 30, 13:25:56
You're staff, right? Do most of you guys feel that way? Make sure to talk it over or it will be 'half of old insim and half of old insim staff' instead of 'salvaged insim community pwning Walt'.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 13:29:17
You know what, I'm really ticked off that no one, including me, called Kathy and Eric to the carpet for their bullcrap. So many of us saw that something seriously fishy was happening. We didn't say anything because it was a "free" site, and because anyone who tried to go up against Kathy would be screamed at by her and many of her followers. That's fucked up.

I think paysites are at least partly to blame for this. The Sims community is ready to lay down and worship at the feet of anyone who runs a free site, no matter what shit the freesite owner pulls. This is NOT NORMAL. Other gaming communities do not do this. In other communities, shockingly, it's quite normal for modders/hackers/creators to thank people who use their products. Here, because of paysites, if a creator doesn't charge, they are apparently to be worshiped and never questioned. After all, no matter how much disgusting bullshit owners of freesites pull, they're free so let us worship. It's outrageous.

I completely agree.  It seems as if free creators tend to be immune when it comes to acting like a jackass, in regards to they way they treat say, file distribution and members.  It's unacceptable, that they shouldn't be subjected to the same standards as any normal member or human being just because they make free sims content.  Respect should be earned and not just given.    

Despite our lack of concrete evidence regarding donation money or ant-PMBD policy, K&E were only showing up every so often to beg for money for the site.  She wouldn't use the donation software cala sent her.  From what I have heard, before this whole Walt issue, they were none too nice to any of them members who tried to ask questions concerning their behavior.  People tried asking nicely and were told to STFU and mind their own business.  I don't think we have to get a warrant when things look fishy in order for us as a community to question what the hell is going on.  Were not the NYPD.  Policing ourselves and others is pretty much what we do.  Perhaps, if more people were 'allowed' to speak up earlier on a platform were they could be heard the 'Walt' issue would never have been an issue, or at the very least people wouldn't have been scrambling last minute to try to fix a situation that quickly spun out of control.    



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 13:30:48
Anouk, I tend to be a bit sparing with the emoticons, but that was meant to be a joke.  Pescado has already stated that he would not insist on changing the ambience of the site.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 13:48:58
In unrelated news, we will most likely be ditching vB unless I see about about $400 land on my doorstep for specifically this purpose. I took one look at vB and my immediate thought was RUN, DO NOT WALK. They want $360 or $200 a year! For NOTHING! This is outrageous!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 13:52:47
Not only that, but VB is notorious for being heavy on resources and getting hosting accounts suspended!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Amazone on 2008 November 30, 13:54:28
And if I ever treat people like poop just because I'm a free creator, someone smack me, okay?  Not real likely to happen, but its out there.  And maybe we should take this as a note, as a community, and start policing ourselves a bit more.  Maybe we should be willing to tell free creators they are making complete asses of themselves.
Wait, wait, you need a REASON to treat people like crap? I mean, look at me! I don't treat people like crap because I'm a free creator. I treat people like crap because I'm a jerk! Who needs fancy, convoluted reasons when common jackassery is all that is required?


Wait, that's why some people called you "sweet"? Haha.





Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 14:00:25
K/E may have owned the domain name and whatever, but as clearly shown in the past couple of days, it was the community's site as creators are taking down their things and what will be left is a husk. 

The new Insim battlecry should be FOR THE HUSK!  :D

please don't ever think that we're not really very grateful for what's being done and I'd like to apologise again for my terseness yesterday

Fair enough.  :-*

Ah but the problem is that now they've tried to sell it, there is something concrete concerning what the site makes and doesn't make. Whether that site advertisement is real or a lie, it proves that they're lying to someone.
The advertisements will be burned at the stake immediately, because they'd be filthy Waltish advertisements. Whether or not they will be reinstated for funding purposes will be put to vote. I personally oppose them, but it's up to peasants whether they prefer to be spammed or donate.

I was referring to the advertisement Synaptic Sim linked to - showing the values they attributed to their site while trying to sell it.  ;)

The Anti-PMBD policy will be burned at the stake. A clear and coherent policy will be issued. All who question the word of El Presidente shall be tied naked to steel scaffolding and beaten with cement-filled milk jugs!

Now this punishment I can get behind.  I will even mix your cement.  It would be the height of ignominy if the reincarnation had an anti-PMBD policy. I had presumed though that this rule was enforced by Kathy and Eric - and backed up by a few (or one) propay staff. They seem to be mentioning it at Oasis (in a sticky) - so I think they've broken free of that policy anyway.

Pah! Royal princesses. Pathetic inbred sops! You know why they're called "bluebloods"? Because their feeble lungs cannot oxygenate enough blood to power their tiny shrivelled brains!

And BeosBoxBoy will be summarily fired as an Infidel Paysitist Dog. Live free or die! Viva La Revolucion!

Well you can be a royal pain in the arse concerning things you want. :D I think beosboxboy fired himself though and gave up freesites to be an infidel paysite dog before he retired.

Despite our lack of concrete evidence regarding donation money or ant-PMBD policy, K&E were only showing up every so often to beg for money for the site.  She wouldn't use the donation software cala sent her.  From what I have heard, before this whole Walt issue, they were none too nice to any of them members who tried to ask questions concerning their behavior.  People tried asking nicely and were told to STFU and mind their own business.  I don't think we have to get a warrant when things look fishy in order for us as a community to question what the hell is going on.  Were not the NYPD.  Policing ourselves and others is pretty much what we do.  Perhaps, if more people were 'allowed' to speak up earlier on a platform were they could be heard the 'Walt' issue would never have been an issue, or at the very least people wouldn't have been scrambling last minute to try to fix a situation that quickly spun out of control.    

I think the problem with that is that you get wild assumptions and theories.  If all the people involved in the community could be relied upon to be sensible, then we'd be fine.  But that's not this community. :P We'd get anything from the paranoid rantings of Jan, to the arsekissing sycophantic rantings of someone who loves X.  

I screenied that PM because I thought there was something fishy, but couldn't prove any of it - just releasing it would get me keelhauled for sharing private messages and screams about how busy Kathy is about 6 months ago.  Hell, that might even happen now with more sycophantic ravings. I could make a decision about whether to send them money myself, but that wouldn't have been a universal decision.  After all - they sold the forum and a group of members posted "We miss you good luck" - nothing would stop them being scammed, or get them listening to us, much less nebulous speculation.

In unrelated news, we will most likely be ditching vB unless I see about about $400 land on my doorstep for specifically this purpose. I took one look at vB and my immediate thought was RUN, DO NOT WALK. They want $360 or $200 a year! For NOTHING! This is outrageous!

Surely there is little difference in the variation offered? What is the qualitative difference?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tabby on 2008 November 30, 14:01:25
   People tried asking nicely and were told to STFU and mind their own business.  I don't think we have to get a warrant when things look fishy in order for us as a community to question what the hell is going on.

 This happened here as well as there. I think it was when they were holding the Freetime InSim hostage and saying that they needed something like $500 within the next couple of days, it was asked here and we were promptly told they had real lives too. When people over there would ask, they were treated like they had committed a capitol crime. I understand that people have "real lives", and that updating your website may not be at the top of your list, but IMO if life is so busy you cant be bothered to check in with your staff and tell them what is going on, hosting bills shouldn't be at the top of the list either. Even when they came back to beg for money, nothing was said of where they had been. Just "We need it by tomorrow, or you will all have to find a new place to hang."


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 14:06:13
If there is any comfort in this, I think the time when E&K stopped hanging out with us all was when they started to cream off the money, and it could indicate they felt a bit guilty.  So that would have been about a year back?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SnarkyShark on 2008 November 30, 14:11:59
Pah! Royal princesses. Pathetic inbred sops! You know why they're called "bluebloods"? Because their feeble lungs cannot oxygenate enough blood to power their tiny shrivelled brains!

I always thought Queen Elizabeth II looked kind of stuffy and uncomfortable. Now, because of Pescado, I know why - She's slowly been asphyxiating in her own blood all these years.

--

As for the InSim site, this could actually be the best thing that's happened to them in a long while. When Pescado restores the site, they can reconstruct their community minus all the bullshit.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HystericalParoxysm on 2008 November 30, 14:18:42
Anouk, I tend to be a bit sparing with the emoticons, but that was meant to be a joke.  Pescado has already stated that he would not insist on changing the ambience of the site.

I gotta say I do agree with Nouk, and that what she seems to be talking about goes a bit beyond ambience.  Major decisions on rules or anything like that should be decided among the staff.  Anyone overseeing it should basically be doing so for technical adminnery and the like - running the server, getting the forum software up and running, getting all the downloads in place, fixing issues, etc. - the actual rules and the way things run on a day to day basis has to be left up to the staff... otherwise it's just being taken from the all-controlling hands of Walt into the all-controlling hands of someone else.  Even if that someone else is someone we know...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 30, 14:21:14
Just some more things that are rolling around in my brain...........for those of us who painfully watched his video.....
1. The child like decor in the background, seriously that gave me the creeps. He's 51 and has kiddie decor? That alone scares me to death.  :o

2. Did anyone else  see that his hair was kinda messy? On young preppy types that hairstyle looks hot, but a 51 year old wannabe hotshot? He can't carry off that look. Now some older people look damn good with that look, but they know what to do to properly achieve the desired level of messiness.

3. He's a supposed "business" man and I am assuming that video is his marketing tool. The decor is unprofessional as is his appearance, but his presentation   ???
did you notice he was reading from a prepared script? Almost as if he was reading the handbook of instructions for the product he is trying to sell. Nothing inspires confidence more that a sales person who is not comfortable enough with said product. If he can't talk freely and knowledgeably about the tool he is marketing, in his own words,   ??? is he doing?

Personally I would love to know just how many "failed" business ventures his mommy has bankrolled. She had better close the purse strings before he uses up all of her resources. Otherwise the poor old fool (mommy) will be looking for a  position as a greeter at Walmart.

Now I realize times have changed and I am 50 years old, but I still expect a certain amount of professionalism from a "businessman".
Pescado and Delpy toss around extremely technical terms that are above and beyond my limited understanding, but this knowledge is obviously well mastered by both men. They, without a doubt in my mind, know what the hell they are talking about.
Walt comes across as so clueless and completely inept, that it boggles my mind that anyone would subscribe to his  internet business ventures.

I worked for 23 years in the Canadian banking industry. I watched it change and evolve into what it is today. I applauded the slow acceptance of the more severe mandatory dress code to the more relaxed  casual approach. However, if anyone of our employees had ever gone to a client's place of business looking like Walt did, in his video, their employment would have had cause for termination. You can dress casually and professionally at the same time.
To me Walt's sloppy appearance and equally sloppy attire, combined with child decor, smacks of a terrible lack of understanding of the target audience he hopes to achieve. What I am trying to say, and doing a rather pathetic job of it is, he looks sloppy, so his work must be sloppy as well.
Now with respect to the whole attire thing, I do think Pescado's internet appearance is entirely appropriate.

I am sorry for the obvious lack of taste for this macro......
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn130/BlueMoon1958/SnyperKitty.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Alexia on 2008 November 30, 14:23:02
however, there were moves afoot to make insim neutral which we know was burned down by beos and Kathy ... I would be nice if REAL neutrality could be attained

I completely agree with you eledhel. In my mind to atttain a fair level of neutrality, both sides of the arguement need to be presented. By claiming to be neutral and at the same time banning mention  ofPMBD, I really can not beging to fathom how you're supposed to get a look at the big picture.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 14:34:04

I think the problem with that is that you get wild assumptions and theories.  If all the people involved in the community could be relied upon to be sensible, then we'd be fine.  But that's not this community. Tongue We'd get anything from the paranoid rantings of Jan, to the arsekissing sycophantic rantings of someone who loves X.  

I screenied that PM because I thought there was something fishy, but couldn't prove any of it - just releasing it would get me keelhauled for sharing private messages and screams about how busy Kathy is about 6 months ago.  Hell, that might even happen now with more sycophantic ravings. I could make a decision about whether to send them money myself, but that wouldn't have been a universal decision.  After all - they sold the forum and a group of members posted "We miss you good luck" - nothing would stop them being scammed, or get them listening to us, much less nebulous speculation.


I am not advocating wild theories or opinions on anything, even though sometimes we tend to do exactly just that when it comes to paysites, and without evidence it's just as meaningless.  I think most of us could wade through that in order to find some truth in what is going on, and to keep the subject on tract.  However, if they are unwilling to answer for their behavior that is suspicion enough, for someone to say "something is not right here, we need some explanation, maybe we should work together to get some or at least call them out royally for not giving any."   I'm sorry I don't think the risk of speculation is any reason to avoid situations like this in the future, be it pay or free.  Especially if the other end can easily clear the situation up by giving an explanation instead of avoiding and neglecting concerns.  

As for the excess of devoted, OMG I love X fans!, that's all part of the very problem, that extends past this K&E situation.   People are ingrained to think just because something is free for them then essentially anything free creators do is ok, when clearly this is not the case.   The more we avoid the subject the more likely it will be that people will be duped.  Plus, this site as seen plenty of asskissing rantings of paysite fans afraid that their precious peggy or rose will leave, it's nothing we haven't dealt with before.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Amazone on 2008 November 30, 14:35:11
In unrelated news, we will most likely be ditching vB unless I see about about $400 land on my doorstep for specifically this purpose. I took one look at vB and my immediate thought was RUN, DO NOT WALK. They want $360 or $200 a year! For NOTHING! This is outrageous!

vBulletin has powerful features. I have seen prices like $180 for owned license, but then again, i have no clue what you are talking about,  but i would hope we coud manage to keep vB, not ditch it.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 14:40:29
Not only that, but VB is notorious for being heavy on resources and getting hosting accounts suspended!
Well, we have a dedicated server, so the only thing that will happen is that the server will meltdown.

vBulletin has powerful features. I have seen prices like $100 for owned license, but then again, i have no clue what you are talking about,  but i would hope we coud manage to keep vB, not ditch it.
Look, the only reason I'm even CONSIDERING the possibility of keeping it is because I know the peasants would like a minimum of change. Therefore, either someone volunteers to pay for it BEFORE we get it up and running, or by the time the issue comes up, I'll have hucked it. Are you volunteering? An owned license for both sites will cost us $360, because those shysters raised prices. There are several different currencies, so you may be able to get a more favorable rate by conversion. I, personally, would rather eat my own offspring than pay that, and if this were just entirely about me, this issue would not even be debated. Are you volunteering to pay the equivalent of 2-3 months worth of server bills for THAT?

Now with respect to the whole attire thing, I do think Pescado's internet appearance is entirely appropriate.
I have an appearance? My appearance is hampered by the fact that I don't like cameras combined with the fact that vampires don't appear on film.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 14:46:25

Look, the only reason I'm even CONSIDERING the possibility of keeping it is because I know the peasants would like a minimum of change. Therefore, either someone volunteers to pay for it BEFORE we get it up and running, or by the time the issue comes up, I'll have hucked it. Are you volunteering? An owned license for both sites will cost us $360, because those shysters raised prices. There are several different currencies, so you may be able to get a more favorable rate by conversion. I, personally, would rather eat my own offspring than pay that, and if this were just entirely about me, this issue would not even be debated. Are you volunteering to pay the equivalent of 2-3 months worth of server bills for THAT?


If this is so important to people could you maybe combine forums so that it would only be $180 for one (without phone support) and then $40 per year license.  Now since you don't need separate donations, assuming all donations will come through MATY or here, you could just password protect the area? 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 14:50:54
If this is so important to people could you maybe combine forums so that it would only be $180 for one (without phone support) and then $40 per year license.
It is not particularly feasible to merge a DB once it has been forked. That, and combining the forums would lead to 12s being able to see it all. And we can't have that!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 30, 15:02:44
Personally I would love to know just how many "failed" business ventures his mommy has bankrolled. She had better close the purse strings before he uses up all of her resources. Otherwise the poor old fool (mommy) will be looking for a  position as a greeter at Walmart.
You mean Waltmart.

But yeah, I was wondering that too. Provided she actually knowingly bankrolled them. For all we know, she could be in some sort of hideous-decor induced coma and stole her bank account details.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 15:04:26
I thought maybe just temporarily put the forum up and then moved the downloads over by reuploading them.    I'm not sure how much there is so this might just be too much work entirely.   How much chat was going on that people felt compelled to save at insim adult?  Or at least if vB was important enough to everyone it might be worth it to save the money?  You could place downloads in an adult section that was hidden unless you had a password or registered to be over 18, and I think 12s could get into insim adult if they really wanted to anyhow.

$360 per year plus another $80 to renew every year seems a bit pricey to me as well when there are plenty of free or cheaper options available, but I am not one to tell people how to spend there money.  Just trying to offer suggestions, though they may be unrealistic.  I wouldn't know I was never over at the adult site.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 15:07:35
I am not advocating wild theories or opinions on anything, even though sometimes we tend to do exactly just that when it comes to paysites, and without evidence it's just as meaningless.  I think most of us could wade through that in order to find some truth in what is going on, and to keep the subject on tract.  However, if they are unwilling to answer for their behavior that is suspicion enough, for someone to say "something is not right here, we need some explanation, maybe we should work together to get some or at least call them out royally for not giving any."   I'm sorry I don't think the risk of speculation is any reason to avoid situations like this in the future, be it pay or free.  Especially if the other end can easily clear the situation up by giving an explanation instead of avoiding and neglecting concerns.  

Well paysites are already doing the wrong thing, so it's not as if they have integrity to damage.  :D I agree that maybe we as a community need this sort of thing, and had debated many time with myself as to whether to bring the subject up here - we've had many discussions about Insim donation drives here, Insim policies.  I tended to keep my mouth shut though because what looks fishy to me may not be fishy, and because if someone really does have problems in their life, then I have served only to hurt someone who was already doing the right thing, if a little hamfisted.  If they have problems and have to share what is private and personal, this would be a blow to them.

As for the excess of devoted, OMG I love X fans!, that's all part of the very problem, that extends past this K&E situation.   People are ingrained to think just because something is free for them then essentially anything free creators do is ok, when clearly this is not the case.   The more we avoid the subject the more likely it will be that people will be duped.  Plus, this site as seen plenty of asskissing rantings of paysite fans afraid that their precious peggy or rose will leave, it's nothing we haven't dealt with before.

I don't think it is about free - I think it's about personalities.  And while we universally have no sympathy for paysite fans, some pirates, even those who've been here a while still have difficulties dealing with the subtleties of how you're supposed to treat freesite owners.  In regards specifically to Insim, when we critiqued their anti-PMBD policy, there was some kermitflailing and much of the "but they're freesite owners!".  Converse to that, we have some people with personal grudges, who sink the boot whenever they can, and so there's that side of the equation.  We also have some who see critiquing an idea or debating something as personal attack on them, rather than just debate.

It might work, this plan, or it might end up being a new flavour of shitstorming. :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 30, 15:10:50
With regards to vBulletin - you don't have to get the support/maintenance thing every year.  You can just get 2 owned licenses and upgrade it for 1 year then be done with it.  Most of the "upgrades" are minor things that are easily hacked in normally anyway.

I will, however, come out and say this now:  I am prepared to purchase 2 owned licenses (1 for each site), at no cost to the community.

With that said, it might be more advantageous in the longer run to adapt some of the systems we have on MTS2 (specifically the filtering and sorting and displaying of actual downloads - to make it so that you can actually FIND stuff on InSimClone) to an SMF system.  This would benefit not just the New Insim, but also MATY and any other SMF forum that wishes to use it.  I am willing to take on that work and coding it up.

Of course, going the SMF route does mean it's free (less money) but you also get less features than compared to the existing Insim system that people might be used to.  I'd say maybe poll a vote based on the above.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 30, 15:13:48
I would agree the license fee seems a bit high.  vBulletin IMO didn't work well for InSIM, yet it works for MTS2 which I suspect is because of the tweaks Delphy makes.

What are the key differences between vBulletin and SMF?  Maybe that would help to decide.  I did donate at InSIM, but since I'm an unemployed student, now I can't.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 30, 15:18:38
I would agree the license fee seems a bit high.  vBulletin IMO didn't work well for InSIM, yet it works for MTS2 which I suspect is because of the tweaks Delphy makes.

Tweaks? Tweaks?! I will not have my customisations labelled as mere "tweaks"! 

Seriously, they are so much more than tweaks.  The upload wizard, the download browsing pages - totally written from scratch, and the main showthread has had a ton of changes so that it's only about 50% original code.  Tweaks, indeed!



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 15:20:08
Delphy I promise you it is a complete fluke that I came on here to post this and found you happened to have just posted, so bear in mind my post was actually inspired by Pescado's talk about expenses he might incur!  I don't want to stir up any old arguments we might have had :)

My position is that once any project like the Pescado-Insimenator starts to look like costing serious money, I am right back to my day-1 stance which is why can't the creators from InSim just start their own free/pocketmoney sites, or accept the many offers of space on other people's small sites, at no extra cost to the community?

Ok so InSimenator was also a community that wishes to continue having an entity, but surely the community is the forum posts - why ever must an online community require there to be hundreds of game content attachments taking up expensive space and data server resources in the forum?  Links to the new homes of the refugee downloads can be posted instead, and they can carry on being *discussed* and supported in the new community forum.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 30, 15:22:39
My apologies!  :-*

I love MTS2.  You've made it easy to find what I want, and not overwhelming with the massive amount of downloads.  I do understand they are more than mere tweaks, and I wish I knew how you do it.  Seriously.  I don't even know the differences between vB and SMF.  Sad yes.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 30, 15:30:58
Some links on differences between SMF and vBulletin: Because I'm too lazy to explain it
http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/SMF+vBulletin+phpBB
http://www.phinesolutions.com/a-comparison-between-vbulletin-and-simple-machine-board.html

SMF is more versatile, while vB is more powerful. It's really a question of what features are truly necessary.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SnarkyShark on 2008 November 30, 15:32:01
I agree that maybe we as a community need this sort of thing, and had debated many time with myself as to whether to bring the subject up here - we've had many discussions about Insim donation drives here, Insim policies.  I tended to keep my mouth shut though because what looks fishy to me may not be fishy, and because if someone really does have problems in their life, then I have served only to hurt someone who was already doing the right thing, if a little hamfisted.

I don't think it is about free - I think it's about personalities.  And while we universally have no sympathy for paysite fans, some pirates, even those who've been here a while still have difficulties dealing with the subtleties of how you're supposed to treat freesite owners.  In regards specifically to Insim, when we critiqued their anti-PMBD policy, there was some kermitflailing and much of the "but they're freesite owners!". Converse to that, we have some people with personal grudges, who sink the boot whenever they can, and so there's that side of the equation.  We also have some who see critiquing an idea or debating something as personal attack on them, rather than just debate.

Exactly. I even felt obligated to, in essence, put my money where my mouth is by helping support their donation drives. And I'm sure I wasn't the only one who felt that way. If this incident serves any purpose, maybe it's to teach the community to be wary of any site owners, pay or free, who are constantly pressing their members for funds.  If it doesn't smell right, throw it back.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 30, 15:32:11
In terms of differences, SMF is much like the older 3.0.x vBulletin systems.  Insim, however, had the later 3.7/3.8 systems, which offer a lot more things like profile customisations, social networking, social groups, and much more use of ajax (which SMF also uses to a lesser degree).  It also has a much larger community for modding the system (vbulletin.org) as opposed to SMF - however, with that said, I really don't like the 3.5+ way of doing mods since it seems bloated to me.  3.0.x is much "cleaner" in that regard since you pretty much have to hack the core code to mod it, so it means that you have to have a much better understanding of how things actually work and the possible load they incur.  3.5+ allows "easier" mods to be installed, but unfortunately most of them (like a lot of the ones for 3.0.x written by people who dont run high traffic sites) aren't coded very well, hence meaning that the whole thing slows down as you add more stuff.

If all you want is basic forum-like systems, then SMF is probably the better choice becuase it's free and much "lighter" on the servers than a fully loaded out vBulletin system.  However, if you want the additional social networking, tagging, social groups, notifications and so on systems from Insim, then vBulletin would be the way to go.

(Note that even my hacks on MTS2 could not be done on 3.5/6/7/8 without hacking the core code.  I also make extensive use of memcached which makes everything very speedy.  However, the basic logic behind the systems is actually fairly simple so it could be modified to be used on other forum systems, with time.)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 30, 15:34:47
Insim was a disaster trying to find items. Delphy's customizations over at MTS2 make everything so easy, it's the only V-Bulletin site that works.

I don't care what format the forum is in, I never really participated much, but please, I'm begging here, make the damn colors different.

I think that Quorneater is right. Small no or low-cost sites download sites that are linked from a central forum would make everything more resistant to catastrophe and greatly diminish the cost involved.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 15:35:29
I think a little grumbling is undersantable eledhel... we are going though a rough time and a lot of us feel like we where just pimp slapped. We are going to be grupy and jump at shadows for a while... we just have to take a little time and care so we dont alienate eachother with it.

As far as for whats going to happen on the clone site... I think that small postive changes at the site would be welcomed but that any changes should be decided with the staff... I trust them, their a good bunch who has basically been running things themselfs without a captian for a long while and although we have had some bad intanceses the staff for the most part have done well considering how kathy and eric hindered them. I think if you want the site to be the true home of us refugees you have to disscusse changes with the staff inorder for us regular members to feel happy and comfortable with it.

I also think that making the clone site truely nutural in the pay vrs free debate (or at lease trying our best) is what most of us want and I think most of us would agree we wouldnt mind seeing some of the people who post put up links to this site and the original site that they got stuff from... instead of people fearing saying anything about this site like they did with kathy around.

As for VBulletin... I dont really care, I want the stuff that made the site my home... I want my chats with my friend if possable althoug thats not as important as other things to me since some of the bulk of my conversations are inane stupidity sometimes, I want my storys and contest, I want to be able to find stuff like I was on the old site... except with mabey an improvement to the search function since that thing never worked for me, I want my downloads (thank gaud I have a copy of my self sim saved on both computers), and I want to sighn in and feel like Im at home again without having to be beat upside the head with "we need money now or the site will go down!" threats... from the way you all talk the donation system here is good although Im not shure how many of our old donaters will feel comfortable donating since they probably feel extreamly ripped off. Anyways If VBulletin frys your system or whatever or is not affordable for us then I suppose we will have to find something new... but please talk stuff over with our staff... if you just do it without expaining to them and getting the go ahead a lot of us are going to feel like peasents again... think of it as the staff are our representives and we are our own little state.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Amazone on 2008 November 30, 15:36:38
Look, the only reason I'm even CONSIDERING the possibility of keeping it is because I know the peasants would like a minimum of change. Therefore, either someone volunteers to pay for it BEFORE we get it up and running, or by the time the issue comes up, I'll have hucked it. Are you volunteering? An owned license for both sites will cost us $360, because those shysters raised prices. There are several different currencies, so you may be able to get a more favorable rate by conversion. I, personally, would rather eat my own offspring than pay that, and if this were just entirely about me, this issue would not even be debated. Are you volunteering to pay the equivalent of 2-3 months worth of server bills for THAT?

If and when it should be an issue i would contribute.  If you have to skip vB, and the users are ok with that, then there's no problem at all. I think this debate belongs to those who had insim as their "home", i was not often there. I should have tried to form my question better,
if it was possible to keep vB, despite the expenses. But since you are so snappy, i go on with my own stuff and forget about it for now, and get back to it later on - it it's an issue at all. Damm, i hate english sometimes.





Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 30, 15:40:44
Delphy you just listed all the additional features of vB that I don't think I used. :)  But I wasn't staff, so my opinion doesn't mean much.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Amazone on 2008 November 30, 15:42:38
Funny to see how one's own post are "old" when people posts like hurricanes. Thanks for the explanation Delphy.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 30, 15:43:40
Delphy that's generous of you. It's presents the option to let people back into the site they're familiar with with a minimum of disruption. As an interim option once people are back in their home, the staff can present them with their options and let them decide what they're willing to pay for. Or not. A little streamlining would definitely be a good thing and it might be easier for them to adjust to on a gradual basis instead of one big surprise. Plus the members there would be part of the process.  At least this time transparency shouldn't be an issue.


P.S. Is it being considered to maybe create a small unobtrusive stickied memorial to this whole situation. Lest we forget.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 15:46:44
Oh and I think Delphys ideas on fixing it so its easyer to search is a good one and if Delphy is willing to do it and our staff thinks its a good idea then I say give it a go.

HugeLunatic your opinion dose meen something... I just refer to the staff cause they undersand the day to day runnings of the site we so loved and because they know and understand our little sub culture/community theirfore they make for good reps to go out and basically talk buisness for us when we might be sitting here scraching our heads.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 30, 15:51:25
Delphy you just listed all the additional features of vB that I don't think I used. :)  But I wasn't staff, so my opinion doesn't mean much.

About the only interesting thing for me on the 3.7+ releases is the social groups system - and even then I wouldn't do it in the way they did it.  Profile customisations are something I had on MTS2 for longer than they had them in the base code, albeit in a different manner.

The other stuff (friends, and so on) are stuff that is important in a "social" aspect but I think most "community" sites would be just fine without it.

If we break down Insim in terms of actual features what we are left with is the following:

- A front page which looks like a standard CMS type system
- The actual forums which really aren't any different from any normal forums
- Some other "nifty" things like the groups/notifications which I daresay hardly anybody used in comparison to the total site usage

There is no specialised download view, nothing special about actually *looking* for downloads, no specialised story view like we have on S2C.  Heck, pretty much the entire site is just a standard forum with a whole mish-mash of different content and none of it is really customised or optimised to work *well* with what it's presenting.

It would be great if:

- Downloads could be sorted/filtered/showed in a paginated form across the whole site, much like MTS2 does, but keep the creator-centric forum structure for those old-skool views and the creators ego.
- Stories could be shown in a specialised story view, much like S2C, for easy story reading.
- The downloads themselves had keywords or tags and EP requirements etc that are common everywhere

All of this could be done in an SMF system and could then be used on other Sims 2 sites as well since a lot of them use SMF.

Ultimately though I guess it's up to the staff and the ex members as to what they want to see and use.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: HugeLunatic on 2008 November 30, 15:57:21
Most of you here are much more vested in insim than me.  I mostly hung out in the Mac help section, and the requests.  I would love better organization at the new site, because the other way was too disorganized for my OCD brain to function.  And I'm guessing I missed a bunch of cool downloads.

Fake Edit: I like Delphy's idea of organizing the downloads, but I'm anal about organzing.  :P  And not usually social.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: pierreandreply on 2008 November 30, 16:01:10
hello i am also an insim membe oh and delphy i hope you manage to get insim from this walt fellow you would make a better owner. goodluck.

Pierre


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Shark*Tooth*Hester on 2008 November 30, 16:07:20
So many of us saw that something seriously fishy was happening. We didn't say anything because it was a "free" site, and because anyone who tried to go up against Kathy would be screamed at by her and many of her followers. That's fucked up.

This is absolutely true, they got away with far more than they should have. Really this is the grand finale of their mistreatment of their members and abuse of (perceived) power. The fireworks were going off ages ago but many of us who weren't as close just kind of looked the other way. In retrospect, what else could we have done? I am glad that we stood up to this. Learning to say NO and mean it is a valuable lesson, and we learned it as a community.

On a side note, I wouldn't worry about the kids so much. I was a 12 by maty definition in sims 1 days and went through a very large drama bomb on the uberpastel forum I frequented. And guess what? It didn't destroy my simming experience. On the contrary, it got me out into the rest of the sims community which exposed me to sites where I could express my actual opinions. (Which also incidentally included not worshiping paysites which was not an option at the smile mafia forum I had frequented.) Overall it was a good thing.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Scotty on 2008 November 30, 16:09:19
I use Invision over at my site. Ive been using it for several years now. I think Id be lost with anything else. Stick with what you are used to. If you are more comfortable with SMF, use that. It's not about the forum software, it's about the content and the people.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 16:14:09
One thing I'm still fuzzy about: So if someone WERE to be foolish enough to buy an expensive, overpriced license for a clumsy piece of bloatware that will likely bring the server to its knees much like it is doing on Insim right now, AGAIN, how exactly would this stop the vB people from complaining anyway? There does not seem to be a very good way for them to know anything of the sort.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 16:16:49
Maybe it phones home?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 16:18:16
I think the friends list thing was relatively new and kinda stupid but fun in its own way... kinda stupid for some of the old members cause its like... come on... we know eachother... wats the use of a friends list, but I also thought it was kinda cute in a obviously trying to make our site more of a simmers social site.

Yeah, forums are basically the same, Its up to us to make them ours again.

Better search features while being able to keep some of our own style sounds really good... would help to keep people intrested in our downloads if they could search them better plus our own style will make shure us members from the old site can feel like its still home and that we can find stuff.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 16:31:16
Maybe it phones home?
Delphy has confirmed this, yes. So due to privacy concerns, vBulletin is now off the menu entirely. Phoning home = instant dealbreaker.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 30, 16:32:47
for me personally, the actual version it's on - be it vB, SMF or whatever - really makes no nevermind plus from what I've been told from a 'working with it' point of view, SMF is easier to learn than vB ... besides, if it's Pescado doing the hosting then surely it's up to him to use whatever platform he thinks will work best?

better search features are definitely needed

at the end of the day, most people are there for the community spirit ... surely that spirit can still be there regardless of the platform it's on?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 16:35:48
I would imagine so. Like I said, it has been brought to my attention that the vB purchase process contains an elevated privacy threat not present in SMF. Combined with all the other factors (bloatware, lack of applicability to other sites, cost, ease of use), I am of the opinion that SMF looks like the better option.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 30, 16:42:15
(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/20739150/345307167.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: SmilingSweetly on 2008 November 30, 16:45:14
After reading the entire (yes entire) thread, I must say - pretty accurate summation there, Kenmtl.  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 16:47:18
at the end of the day, most people are there for the community spirit ... surely that spirit can still be there regardless of the platform it's on?

Exactly.  Even if you have to start completely from scratch, keeping the same staff and "rules" will ensure the community remains distinct.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 30, 16:52:19
It is my opinion that removing vBulletin from the table becuase of a phone home check (that happens only in the admincp) without first asking the ex staff and members what they want to use, and at least giving them the OPTION of using it, is a bad idea.  "Spyware" or no, "Major security breach omg wtf" or no, it's something that I have no issues with given the nature of the check.  So if Pescado does not want to run that solution on one of his servers becuase of his antipathy towards anything privacy related, then I can run it on mine.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: chemistrycourtney on 2008 November 30, 16:57:44
Well as the most non staff staffer at insim, I don't mind switching away from vBulletin.  Would that, at least in theory, cut down on the amount of time spent running round insim removing hardcore porn spam? 


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 30, 17:03:47
so ... is this rapidly becoming a 'who can get it first' war between Delphy and Pescado??

^yeah, less time spent chasing porn spam would be nice


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: lewisb on 2008 November 30, 17:04:59
Delphy, I have been posting @ Oasis the update of the last few pages here, especially the VB vs SMF talk. Also the customizations you have offered. They will be along soon, but I am sure that they don't care about what servers or whatever is used, they just want their forums back.

Being an INSim member for 2.5 yrs, and sometimes contributer, I can care less either. I don't need pretty, forum sites to chat just need to see what been going on in the community and look at the contests. That's all the pretty I want right now. Oasis has been going on for a few days now and you should see all the posting and gathering that is going on there. It's heartwarming.

Okay ready for my boiling in the crockery now for being soppy. Can I haz a little rum to ease the pain?  :-X

EDIT: Oh yeah! Do want easier search whatz-ama-gig. No tech savvy here.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 30, 17:06:19
If you had to spend time chasing down porn spam then something wasn't set up right.  On both my sites we've rarely had to do that - sounds like another thing that just didn't work as it should have done on insim....


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Bliss on 2008 November 30, 17:07:32
It is my opinion that removing vBulletin from the table becuase of a phone home check (that happens only in the admincp) without first asking the ex staff and members what they want to use, and at least giving them the OPTION of using it, is a bad idea.  "Spyware" or no, "Major security breach omg wtf" or no, it's something that I have no issues with given the nature of the check.  So if Pescado does not want to run that solution on one of his servers becuase of his antipathy towards anything privacy related, then I can run it on mine.

So you ask all members and staff everything before you change anything? Because, I'm guessing .. no.  You administrate your software the way you see fit as the administrator.

Is there something absolutely super special about vB?  Does it taste like cake?  Someone explain forum boards to me. I don't get it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 17:07:54
I can't contribute anything to the technical side of this discussion, don't have the know-how, but as a casual Insim user I know what I want: finding stuff. I really adore the way MTS2 organises things. The clean, easy-to-navigate layout is the reason it's my number one download site, even if some other sites have great, sometimes better content as well. Before the Big Bang, I kept stumbling onto creations at Insim and thinking 'Damn, I would've downloaded this ages ago if only I had seen it!'

There has been a lot of talk about the community aspect of Insim and I do think that's a very important side, but it's not the only one. There were many creators who posted there exclusively and many of us who regarded Insim as a download site, not a forum-with-stuff-attached. I hope everyone can see I mean no disrespect to the people who saw it different. I am very empathic towards the people who have actually lost an internet home and hangout.

What I'm saying is, I would love for InsimClone to be a bit more friendly to people like me, who don't have any idea about who is who or what names to look out for if you want so-and-so hack/mod and only have limited Sims time. I realise this is not a wishlist, but I'm not the only one who feels this way.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: chemistrycourtney on 2008 November 30, 17:08:18
If you had to spend time chasing down porn spam then something wasn't set up right.  On both my sites we've rarely had to do that - sounds like another thing that just didn't work as it should have done on insim....

That was an everyday multiple occurence.  At the non adult side of it.  I don't know really what happened over at insim adult.  I wasn't a mod over there.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2008 November 30, 17:18:45
If you consider those stupid IMVU dolls kissing and dry-humping while wearing provactive clothing 'porn', then I guess there was porn.  I don't consider that porn.  I never got porn ads on the main site.  Only the adult site, which is expected.

Personally, the user-friendly model of vB is what i'm accostomed to.  It's what I prefer.

If you want the input of the original mods/admin of InSim, I would suggest posting a poll at the Sims Oasis.  I think that's where they all are now.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 30, 17:18:57
There has been a lot of talk about the community aspect of Insim and I do think that's a very important side, but it's not the only one.

absolutely ... and the search features on the old site were so frustratingly shit, mainly the community download area causing the problem .. the contributor's individual areas weren't SO bad ... it was much better when the thumbnails were introduced so you didn't have go into each and every thread just to have a look-see

keeping the community along with better downloads seems to be the way forward then ideally ... I'm interest to see if it can truly work ... it would be nice  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 17:22:49
keeping the community along with better downloads seems to be the way forward then ideally ... I'm interest to see if it can truly work ... it would be nice  ;D

Sounds like the absolute best we can hope for now. I only mentioned it because I got the impression that this sort of thing needs to be concidered in this whole vB/SMF discussion. If we could have our cake and eat it too, make the community and the downloaders happy, that would be perfect.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: chemistrycourtney on 2008 November 30, 17:23:15
If you consider those stupid IMVU dolls kissing and dry-humping while wearing provactive clothing 'porn', then I guess there was porn.  I don't consider that porn.  I never got porn ads on the main site.  Only the adult site, which is expected.

Personally, the user-friendly model of vB is what i'm accostomed to.  It's what I prefer.

If you want the input of the original mods/admin of InSim, I would suggest posting a poll at the Sims Oasis.  I think that's where they all are now.

Not porn ads.  Porn spam.  I mean spam bots that signed up for the forum, and spammed threads with hardcore porn.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Knownasjr on 2008 November 30, 17:23:36
It is my opinion that removing vBulletin from the table becuase of a phone home check (that happens only in the admincp) without first asking the ex staff and members what they want to use, and at least giving them the OPTION of using it, is a bad idea. 
Perhahs I don´t adding something useful to the discussion, but thanks Delphy for this democratic position, I totally agree with this concept, the main part of my stuff is at the adult site, I´m used to post in vB forums, but I don´t mind about the forums sofware, it´s a great idea ask to members or now "ex-members" about their position.

P.D.: Totally agree with the idea of a poll at Sim Oasis.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 30, 17:25:51
Personally, the user-friendly model of vB is what i'm accostomed to.  It's what I prefer.
You do realize that a non vB model wouldn't mean a less user-friendly model, right?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2008 November 30, 17:28:51

Not porn ads.  Porn spam.  I mean spam bots that signed up for the forum, and spammed threads with hardcore porn.  

Oh yeah.. I've seen some spam bots at InSim.  I've seen them on S2C before also though.   I think there are security measures that can be taken to reduce or eliminate them.  At least I presume thats why there are no longer prevalent on S2C now.

Aspalar, I do realize that.  I only spoke on what I prefer.  My own personal take on it is that vB is more user-friendly for *me*.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 17:31:56
Letting the (ex) staff decide on things like policy and such is obviously best, no discussion from me there. And if the people who basically ran this site for ages have the technical know-how to keep costs at a minimum whil retaining much af the old 'feel' of the site, be my guest. But I got the impression that Insim started going downhill because K/E... well, sucked at keeping things manageable and organised. That's what started the whole Never Ending Donation Drive in the first place, right? I don't know any of the people involved personally, so for all I know they're all wizards wth this stuff, but if they're not, the smartest thing to would be to let people who know about this stuff take care of the technical side. Anything to avoid another donation drive from hell, really. After that's taken care of, obviously it should go to the people who kept the whole thing alive and running in the first place.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 30, 17:32:16
So you ask all members and staff everything before you change anything? Because, I'm guessing .. no.  You administrate your software the way you see fit as the administrator.

Is there something absolutely super special about vB?  Does it taste like cake?  Someone explain forum boards to me. I don't get it.

I most certainly ask the staff when I change stuff - they get involved in all kinds of discussions about new things we implement.  I just feel that removing things from the table without actually asking the people who are most affected here (the people who left insim) is a bad idea.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 30, 17:36:53
 My own personal take on it is that vB is more user-friendly for *me*.
Why? Is that laziness or do you not deem yourself smart enough to learn something new?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2008 November 30, 17:40:06
Are you fucking kidding me?  Go over there ---> with that shit man.  I like it goddamit and I can like whatever the fuck I want to like when it comes to my internets.

Learn something new?  I'm on this site right now posting back to you am I not?  I spoke on what the fuck I like and because I have a personal preference that means i'm lazy and not smart enough?  Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

It's called taste.  Are you not smart enough to learn about that?



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Bliss on 2008 November 30, 17:46:53
You did say members, too.  All of which are scattered to the winds.  

Ultimately, though, the decision for the security of the forum lies in one person's hands, and that person is the one who makes the decision.  It should be based on more than some sort of phone call thing, but it should also be based more on what makes everyone feel good and fuzzy.  He'll be the one actually responsible for it.  

I think if you tried to get everyone together now for a vote, you'd have a massive mess on your hands - a bigger mess than InSim is now.  It's nigh on impossible to find even half of everyone, even if there's a good amount of them here, at Oasis, or GOS.  

The running of the forum, further changes, that can be handled by the admins and moderators when it's up.  Then the teamwork starts and everyone pulls together with a freakin' montage of bad 80's music and paints the new forum with bright shiny colours and starts posting "Where were you when InSim fell?"



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Light_Angel on 2008 November 30, 17:49:23
Personally, I wouldn't mind the switch from vB to SMF at all.  I've gotten used to this forum format over the past few months, and it's more versatile than vB in my honest opinion.  And either way, whichever works for the best and is safer is fine by me, I don't care.  I just want to be in places that are Walt-Free now.

(Besides, I wouldn't be able to tell you technical stuff about either if my life depended on it... in the short time I've been a part of InSIM's staff and over at the Oasis, I don't know any more about it than the basic moderation options and what little I've learned from being online.)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: froggysim on 2008 November 30, 17:49:23
So... most of what I wanted to say was ninja'd by now.
But just on a side note: I don't like Walt taking over insim but I wouldn't like the insim being just a game object of some epic "Pes vs. Delphy" war either and right now it feels like that's what it's heading towards.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 30, 17:50:15
I'm in favor of SMF. I'm using it at the Oasis, and I've used it elsewhere. It's great. (except for the damned no-moderated-post issue...but that could be me being dumb as a rock) And um, I have to ask about this poll...Are we polling staff or members? Because um, well, SMF is really easy to use for pretty much everyone. I occasionally want to poke the admin interface with sticks, but again, because I'm a little rusty and forget where I left the buttons. If there's major flaws in VB, AND it's costing money to set up, pitch it! Like I said, the only problem I've had with it so for is the inability to create a board that auto hides topics. *shrugs* I say SMF.

And let me know about that poll.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Pescado on 2008 November 30, 17:50:38
Well as the most non staff staffer at insim, I don't mind switching away from vBulletin.  Would that, at least in theory, cut down on the amount of time spent running round insim removing hardcore porn spam?
As far as I know, SMF has vastly superior capacity for disposing of SPAM! vB makes it a PAIN IN THE ASS to DELETE THINGS.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 30, 17:50:46
Are you fucking kidding me?  Go over there ---> with that shit man.  I like it goddamit and I can like whatever the fuck I want to like when it comes to my internets.

Learn something new?  I'm on this site right now posting back to you am I not?  I spoke on what the fuck I like and because I have a personal preference that means i'm lazy and not smart enough?  Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

It's called taste.  Are you not smart enough to learn about that?


Whoa, really, I was just being curious.  I have no opinion on what you should post or what preference you should have. But it seems to me that either you're ready to work with something new or you're not. And since your only argument was that vB was going to be more user-friendly - which you yourself admitted wasn't really true, then I had to conclude that you either a. didn't feel like switching to something new or b. felt it would be too hard. Otherwise, since we already decided that use-friendlyness was out of the picture, there would be no reason at all for your 'preference' but pure stubbornness.  :P

- Apsalar, is currently in patient mode.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 17:52:09
(This is directed towards Freeshitonly and NotApsalar) BOTH of you shut the hell up because you sound like a couple of six year olds screaming about a goddamn toy! You are not helping the situation at ALL. If Pescado uses SMF, I can help the rest of the staff learn it, it's not that ruddy hard! Would you please save it until it's all a done deal! CHRIST!



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paleoanth on 2008 November 30, 17:54:38
OK, no one post anything for about 4 hours.  I have to make a road trip and I don't want to miss anything.  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 17:54:46
(This is directed towards Freeshitonly and NotApsalar) BOTH of you shut the hell up because you sound like a couple of six year olds screaming about a goddamn toy! You are not helping the situation at ALL. If Pescado uses SMF, I can help the rest of the staff learn it, it's not that ruddy hard! Would you please save it until it's all a done deal! CHRIST!

What the fuck are you doing? They have just as much right to discuss things here as you do.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Anyerfillag on 2008 November 30, 17:55:59
...but I wouldn't like the insim being just a game object of some epic "Pes vs. Delphy" war either and right now it feels like that's what it's heading towards.

Its not - Pes is doing his damn hardest to make sure he saves everything he can incase Walt, one of the reasons why he's working his ass off, decides to pull the plug and you loose everything over there (i.e. creations etc). Delphy asked Walt before Pes started doing this if he wanted to sell the site to him as he could tell that he had no experience what-so-ever how to work a site and a sims 2 site for that matter. Both of them have and still are trying to save your home, appreciate their work will you? ::)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: crunk on 2008 November 30, 17:56:10
Security threats to the other sites Pescado hosts, like this one and MATY, have to be taken seriously. If VB is going to screw with the servers/make headaches/stress the guy putting it all together out - then hey, maybe it isn't worth the huge amount of money VB creators want for it.

Do you run your game as is, or with a no-cd crack? Do you like the taste of SecuRom in the morning? I'm not insulting anyone's intelligence, but come on - the differences between VB and SMF are small enough in light of everything else that's happening to Insim.

I for one really didn't expect the save effort to be anything like it is - I saw something along the lines of sharing threads around for the items potentially lost, with all of the Insim users just... having to find somewhere new. It almost seems like a lot of people are taking it for granted that there's a HUGE community out there to help you guys out.

I'm not naming names, and I know everyone (including us non-Insim pirates) is stressed out right now, but come on guys - think before attacking each other/flipping out.

Paden excluded, because you wouldn't be you without the anger posts :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Bliss on 2008 November 30, 17:56:22
OK, no one post anything for about 4 hours.  I have to make a road trip and I don't want to miss anything.  ;D

It is time to invest in a BlackBerry!  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: pierreandreply on 2008 November 30, 17:57:16
thank you very much delphy and from my point of view as an insim member you would make the forums much easyer to search through.

Pierre ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2008 November 30, 17:57:35
Apsalar, seriously.  One can have a preference.  I'm sure you have yours.  I'm on a simple machines forum right now so obviously I know how to work one, use one, etc.  That would explain whether or not i'm "ready to work" and switch to a new format.  I've been registered here for over two years (maybe) so i'm more than ready.

I personally don't give a shit WHAT format InSim is switched to.  I just gave a fucking opinion.  Which are like assholes... which you and I both have... which makes us one. You, me, we baby, we. Shall we dance?

LOL @ Paden.. how are you gonna say (This is directed towards Freeshitonly) and then say BOTH of you.  Woman you crack me up!  :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 30, 17:58:04
Annoyed Paden is annoyed.

I did not scream and I was not going to either. I just spotted a really big hole in FreeShitOnly's ship of Argument and was curious about whether he/she was considering mending it or if the ship would go down. I'm all for watching a ship wreck though.  ;)

*shares rum with anyone that wants*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 30, 18:01:18
Out of interest, was vBulletin fees a part of what started the whole "we need monies NAO!" mess in the first place (before they started being unscrupulous with the donations that is)?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2008 November 30, 18:02:16
The only thing getting wrecked around these parts is my sobriety.  *snatches rum bottle*

There are no 'holes' in ones' preference.  Me likes it cuz me likes it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 18:09:00
(This is directed towards Freeshitonly and NotApsalar) BOTH of you shut the hell up because you sound like a couple of six year olds screaming about a goddamn toy! You are not helping the situation at ALL. If Pescado uses SMF, I can help the rest of the staff learn it, it's not that ruddy hard! Would you please save it until it's all a done deal! CHRIST!

What the fuck are you doing? They have just as much right to discuss things here as you do.

And besides, some of us quite like watching people fight :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lilyroseisapirate on 2008 November 30, 18:09:11
(This is directed towards Freeshitonly and NotApsalar) BOTH of you shut the hell up because you sound like a couple of six year olds screaming about a goddamn toy! You are not helping the situation at ALL. If Pescado uses SMF, I can help the rest of the staff learn it, it's not that ruddy hard! Would you please save it until it's all a done deal! CHRIST!

What the fuck are you doing? They have just as much right to discuss things here as you do.


thank you.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 18:12:10
I'm glad I was able to get the two of you to stop arguing, sometimes a shock like that can bring minds back together. Look, I know you guys are worried about the site and what's happening. So am I. Very worried. I've got a few homes on the net, and that was one of them. I also worked there and thought that the people that took off were actually friends. Big disillusionment, you know?

VBulletin is a massive pain in the ass to manage for a mod, SMF is way easier. But, I can use either one. It's up to Pescado and those involved in finance to take care of shit like that. I don't have the money to give, the budget here is tighter than William Shatner's girdle during the second season of the original Star Trek. All I can give is my time, and that I have done/am doing. Let's just get the stuff from the database before we start arguing about what is gonna get used where.

The mods and admins DO want to change some policies, I know that for damn sure. We WANT to be able to freely mention PMBD and link and offer alternatives. As far as I know, that's gonna happen. There are things we're trying to talk over getting done and changed and keeping and it's just a very confusing time. Now, if you'll please excuse me, all, I need an ice pack for my wrist, it's swollen past what the brace can hold. Good thing we've got snow going outside, cause we don't have room in the freezer for ice.

And, Apsalar, I forgot about your name change! Please accept my apologies for that. FreeShitOnly, please, could ya pass the rum when you've had your swig??


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2008 November 30, 18:16:51
*passes rum and xanax to Paden*  ;D

On a serious note, i'm only a member of InSim, have been since 06.  NOT STAFF.  I've been an admin on another non-sims related vB board before also.  My 'preference' has more to do familiarity than anything else.

To me, Ultrastreet Fight 8: SMF vs vB is really minor right now and shouldn't even be a worry for any of us.  There are more important kinks being worked on right now all of which have been touched on in the 77 pages we've been discussing this.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 30, 18:20:16
And, Apsalar, I forgot about your name change! Please accept my apologies for that.
Apology accepted. It kind of brought back old memories. There's a whole story behind the name change; some day I might tell you it, if you lure me into some dark corner and bribe me with enough rum to make me almost incoherent.  :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: chynna on 2008 November 30, 18:23:03
Just to set the record straight....do you people ever sleep?  I went to bed last night after reading 66 pages of this stuff to wake up to 75 (now up even more in trying to catch up) pages!  Then there's not enough drama in the community....but cat fighting within  - by they way I had the popcorn ready and was waiting for the blood when some bloody peacemaker offered rum!  What's a girl supposed to do for Sunday afternoon entertainment..... ???  

I know this is serious to most of us - but laughing hopefully will keep yal'll sane. *I'm not worried about me....I crossed that line long ago.... ;D *

edit for spelling....damn...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 30, 18:24:06
And besides, some of us quite like watching people fight :)

That is well. One should always have an occupation.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 18:25:09
International community FTW. We pirate in shifts.

Pescado does not sleep. The cranky undead have no need for sleep.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: WedgewoodBlue on 2008 November 30, 18:26:38
*steals the rum from Paden* I'm gonna make rum balls..........and share them all around.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Apsalar on 2008 November 30, 18:28:48
Mmm rumballs - I am gonna steal them from you! Not because I have to, but because it's much more fun that way.  :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: chynna on 2008 November 30, 18:30:19
International community FTW. We pirate in shifts.

Pescado does not sleep. The cranky undead have no need for sleep.

I didn't realize he was undead - I thought it was just the cranky.....


Go with the best deal *what works best* for the least amount of money.  I contributed some money and some time to both insims and this is my vote.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Delphy on 2008 November 30, 18:32:46
I have absolutely no objections to the new insim being on SMF - I only offered the vBulletin option IF the consensus was "Yes, we want to keep it".  If the general consensus is "We don't care" or "Eh, use SMF" then that's fine.  It's not really a fight - it's just a difference of opinion, with mine being "Let's get everybodies opinions before removing options".

My offer still stands to hack SMF to pieces to allow better download searching and filtering and for that to be disseminated across all the various Sims 2 sites that use SMF as a downloads medium.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Souvenirs on 2008 November 30, 18:35:14
My opinion doesn't count for much (I wasn't exactly a prolific poster at InSIM), but I think the organization of the forum matters more than the software.  vB may be the shiny, expensive software that a lot of people are used to using, but it's still a nightmare if it's organized as badly as Kathy and Eric had it organized.  If Pescado and/or Delphy can use SMF and make the new InSIM easier to use (easier to find downloads, etc), then paying a lot for vBulletin seems like a waste to me.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: lewisb on 2008 November 30, 18:50:37
If searching and downloading is easier, then it will be cool with me. I don't have problems with SMF.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: pierreandreply on 2008 November 30, 18:52:40
If searching and downloading is easier, then it will be cool with me. I don't have problems with SMF.

same for me thank you :) ;)

Pierre :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 30, 19:02:58
I think we need to make a decision if we can get all the staff in one place to discuss it. After all, we may supply it, but as my understanding is, they will run it. And one person to upkeep the new InSim. So it really should be up to them. We use SMF, great. We use vb great. SMF could be hosted here, and Delphy already offered to host it if it uses vb, and pay for the licenses. Either way, I do believe we would be covered.

And honestly I like the way MTS2 is organized. Which is a big factor for me. Sometimes browsing MATY for hack updates and the latter can be a pain, if the creator doesn't update the first post. Then you have to dig around to find the post with the one update. That's the only issue for me, because I find both vb and SMF easy to use.

But one thing I do hope we can change, and I hope the staff agrees on, is the color scheme changing. I wasn't to much of a fan of the grey/green/black.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 30, 19:08:34
But one thing I do hope we can change, and I hope the staff agrees on, is the color scheme changing. I wasn't to much of a fan of the grey/green/black.

hmmmm ... me, I like pink, lilac and purple ... but them I'm just a smushy wuss for stuff like that  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 19:13:41
I like tomato red, tomato green and cream.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: chynna on 2008 November 30, 19:20:55
I like black, red and cream....just no lavender....*great for flowers and dresses, hard on the eyes for long periods of time.*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 19:21:15
My offer still stands to hack SMF to pieces to allow better download searching and filtering and for that to be disseminated across all the various Sims 2 sites that use SMF as a downloads medium.

I like this. Blue is good too.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 30, 19:25:31



But one thing I do hope we can change, and I hope the staff agrees on, is the color scheme changing. I wasn't to much of a fan of the grey/green/black.

hmmmm ... me, I like pink, lilac and purple ... but them I'm just a smushy wuss for stuff like that  ;D

I've moved out of the pink phase and now I'm in my lime green phase. A year ago I would have agreed though.  ;D

I like tomato red, tomato green and cream.

Like this!

http://www.edible-image.net/vegetables/tomato/images/tomatoes_green.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Bright_red_tomato_and_cross_section02.jpg/800px-Bright_red_tomato_and_cross_section02.jpg
http://www.thomasville.com/ProductImages/Accessories/LumineAcc2007/61212_1001_350.jpg

I think those would look nice. Creme as the background, green as section headers, with maybe red/black writing. Or even a color scheme like this I could go for:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2070/2066763386_dcf27e7c51.jpg



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 30, 19:28:43
In the interests of keeping the Peasantry amused and occupied while awaiting commencement of the "Great Gawk-Off 2008" festivities, I haz a game!!

Guess who's trolling around your friendly neighbourhood interwebs gathering contestants for her " I Haz No Dramz" forums?

Anybody wanna buy a vowel?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 19:29:17
Yes the 2nd one.  Someone used that as the palette for the winning colour scheme for the site that I won't talk about any more :)  The colours were nice though!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: scrappysim on 2008 November 30, 19:31:20
I dont have a vowel but I do have a D, L and M?


Edited for typo.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 19:31:57
I saw what she did there.

I'll buy a u--o


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 30, 19:32:21
Yes the 2nd one.  Someone used that as the palette for the winning colour scheme for the site that I won't talk about any more :)  The colours were nice though!

Hrm it has been used? The tomatoes or the buttons?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 19:33:22
The tomatoes.  I may have a page I can link you to...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 19:34:04
In the interests of keeping the Peasantry amused and occupied while awaiting commencement of the "Great Gawk-Off 2008" festivities, I haz a game!!

Guess who's trolling around your friendly neighbourhood interwebs gathering contestants for her " I Haz No Dramz" forums?

Anybody wanna buy a vowel?

 :D

I find that extremely lulzie. It's a shame I promised her I'd stay away from her forums, I'd love to have a peek there right now. We can haz linkies?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Rata_Chen on 2008 November 30, 19:36:11
Guess who's trolling around your friendly neighbourhood interwebs gathering contestants for her " I Haz No Dramz" forums?
Anybody wanna buy a vowel?

Um, vowels cost too much. But all drama hording trolls must be DESTROYED! Pass me the pitchforks...

I wonder how long this thread is gonna be by the time I get home from work tonight. I'll probably be up till 2:30ish reading all the infoz again. I get home LATE, midnight-ish. I'm so tired of the job. I haz WANT 4 normal HOURS!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 30, 19:37:24
The tomatoes.  I may have a page I can link you to...

Ah I won't force you, but I am curious on what it would look like put together.  :)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 19:38:27
I find that extremely lulzie. It's a shame I promised her I'd stay away from her forums, I'd love to have a peek there right now. We can haz linkies?

http://forums.sim-oasis.com/index.php?topic=8.msg2590#msg2590

I wonder how long this thread is gonna be by the time I get home from work tonight. I'll probably be up till 2:30ish reading all the infoz again. I get home LATE, midnight-ish. I'm so tired of the job. I haz WANT 4 normal HOURS!

You can't haz. If I couldn't hold back for Paleo, it's for no one.  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 19:38:56
She also posted over at Oasis, trying to lure in the creators to her site. I'd rather drink dog water than go to her place.

ETA: D'oh! Ninja'ed!!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: DecoraChroi on 2008 November 30, 19:39:18
In the interests of keeping the Peasantry amused and occupied while awaiting commencement of the "Great Gawk-Off 2008" festivities, I haz a game!!

Guess who's trolling around your friendly neighbourhood interwebs gathering contestants for her " I Haz No Dramz" forums?

Anybody wanna buy a vowel?

 :D


I find that extremely lulzie. It's a shame I promised her I'd stay away from her forums, I'd love to have a peek there right now. We can haz linkies?

Everytime I wanted to see the crap over at her site, I get the sign up message which I dont think is all that worth it. But if someone does link, can I haz screenies?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: scrappysim on 2008 November 30, 19:39:57
To miss bonbon- Like a Caprese Salad!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 19:47:51
Oh yeah, I saw that Oasis thread. In all fairness, it's not like she's being evil over there. I just feel bad for the poor homeless saps who take her up on her offer :-\


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 30, 19:50:02
She also posted over at Oasis, trying to lure in the creators to her site. I'd rather drink dog water than go to her place.

ETA: D'oh! Ninja'ed!!
She did it twice. In the same thread.

Maybe we can send Walt in her direction? Is Finding Nemo wallpaper offensive?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: crunk on 2008 November 30, 19:51:58
She also posted over at Oasis, trying to lure in the creators to her site. I'd rather drink dog water than go to her place.

ETA: D'oh! Ninja'ed!!
She did it twice. In the same thread.

Maybe we can send Walt in her direction? Is Finding Nemo wallpaper offensive?

To clownfish. Also wiccans.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 19:55:11
Maybe we can send Walt in her direction? Is Finding Nemo wallpaper offensive?

To clownfish. Also wiccans.

And the Good Lord spake thusly, thou of you who raisen up the golden calf that is Disney, and showeth images of the fishes that do swim in the ocean, surely, thou wilt feel my wrath.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 19:56:31
Who are we talking about?  Who did what?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 19:57:55
Who are we talking about?  Who did what?

If we say the name, she will appear.  Heresy keeps her at bay, but we dare not risk it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 30, 20:00:59
So it is written. So it shall be done.

Walt unfortunately seems to have a slight tendency towards drama inducing fits stupidity, so that would place him in violation of the dress code.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 20:08:57
His existence puts him in violation of any code you can think of; not being a walking work of stupidity being one of them.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 30, 20:14:32
She also posted over at Oasis, trying to lure in the creators to her site. I'd rather drink dog water than go to her place.

ETA: D'oh! Ninja'ed!!

Hehehehehe...Astonishingly, she beat out the front runner for the honor of the first Oasis ban. And I didn't forget to ban her username. Or her IP.  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 20:17:06
She also posted over at Oasis, trying to lure in the creators to her site. I'd rather drink dog water than go to her place.

ETA: D'oh! Ninja'ed!!

Hehehehehe...Astonishingly, she beat out the front runner for the honor of the first Oasis ban. And I didn't forget to ban her username. Or her IP.  :D

She was banned? Why? *curious Devilfish is curious*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Jojoba on 2008 November 30, 20:17:52
I adore you for that Kielen :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 20:18:45
this is stuuuuupid. i'm not even going to read all of that. when is the site supposed to be back up? and is there an alternative link? i just started playing sims again and it's breaking my heart that i don't have the insimenator.  >:(


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: DecoraChroi on 2008 November 30, 20:20:25
this is stuuuuupid. i'm not even going to read all of that. when is the site supposed to be back up? and is there an alternative link? i just started playing sims again and it's breaking my heart that i don't have the insimenator.  >:(

Your first post is Stupid because you didnt bother to read the whole thread to find out whats going on.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 30, 20:21:02
this is stuuuuupid. i'm not even going to read all of that. when is the site supposed to be back up? and is there an alternative link? i just started playing sims again and it's breaking my heart that i don't have the insimenator.  >:(
Why do you even like InSim, there's only a few good creators anyways and they relocated


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 20:21:50
this is stuuuuupid. i'm not even going to read all of that. when is the site supposed to be back up? and is there an alternative link? i just started playing sims again and it's breaking my heart that i don't have the insimenator.  >:(

Seriously, we know you're upset, but if you can't be arsed to read anything, don't come begging for neatly wrapped and ribboned answers either.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 20:22:29
i just started playing sims again and it's breaking my heart that i don't have the insimenator.  >:(

Good.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 30, 20:25:04
Hehehehehe...Astonishingly, she beat out the front runner for the honor of the first Oasis ban. And I didn't forget to ban her username. Or her IP.  :D

I love a good underdog story. Gives us all hope.



Hey you, littlemissthing, NUHUH!!


ETA: *glomps cala*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 20:26:40
i just started playing sims again and it's breaking my heart that i don't have the insimenator.  >:(

Good.

The real tragedy is someone might've offered it to you if you hadn't stomped into our forum, refused to read and keep up like we all do (some of us are missing sleep over this) and worried about a damn toy while everyone else is rushing to restore a whole community and consoling its homeless members. I'm sure someone has the toy you're looking for. Ask around. Just not here. And stay off Insim. (You'd know why if you'd read any of this)

And don't even think about replying with 'AW you guy are so MEAN why cen't you b nice!' Just don't.

*I'm cranky, can you tell?*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Saharia on 2008 November 30, 20:28:30
She also posted over at Oasis, trying to lure in the creators to her site. I'd rather drink dog water than go to her place.

ETA: D'oh! Ninja'ed!!

Hehehehehe...Astonishingly, she beat out the front runner for the honor of the first Oasis ban. And I didn't forget to ban her username. Or her IP.  :D

She was banned? Why? *curious Devilfish is curious*

Aside from the general batshit craziness she suffers from, one of my mods is someone she flung out of her forum over a very politely phrased concern ON ANOTHER SITE. When I say no dramaz, I mean it. And that person is drama in a time bomb. I'm not a ban happy person, in fact I hate doing it, but not with people like that who only exist to cause problems. I know there are other people that like her and haven't had problems with her, more power to you. I however have no interest in even giving her brand of crazy a chance. :P


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 20:30:29
okay, my bad. i only used the site to download it, i didn't keep up with the community itself and it's members. because just like this, internet forums = dramaaaaa. I just wanted the downloaded. sorry for being soooo selfish and inconsiderate. shit.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 20:33:08
Wanna nip over to the other place for a nice cuppa?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 20:33:16
ETA: *glomps cala*

Did you just glomp me?!?!?! DID YOU!??!

okay, my bad. i only used the site to download it, i didn't keep up with the community itself and it's members. because just like this, internet forums = dramaaaaa. I just wanted the downloaded. sorry for being soooo selfish and inconsiderate. shit.

Too bad, so sad. Should have been convincingly more than 12, and we would have helped. No insimenator for you.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 20:36:05
haha, alright. because you all sound like you're real old and shit? whatev. this is kind of pathetic. you guys are wayyyyyyyyyy to serious. in the real world, there's nice people, in the sim-obsessed world, apparently not.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TKPurrrrs on 2008 November 30, 20:37:05
this is stuuuuupid. i'm not even going to read all of that. when is the site supposed to be back up? and is there an alternative link? i just started playing sims again and it's breaking my heart that i don't have the insimenator.  >:(

Hummm.... I was going to sink my claws in you for that comment but I see you just posted... I guess I accept your crappy appoligy but Im still not handing you over my copy of the insimenator since your a little shit and I would rather not dirty my fur by dealing with you. If you had been a participating member of the site you would understand that their might be drama but thier was also deep freindships created on that site... I found the man I love on that site, I found my 4 closest friends on that site plus I have a dozen more friends from that site and now we are homeless... so learn a lesson and read the freeking thread before you insert foot in mouth or I will have to rip you an new one.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TashaFaun on 2008 November 30, 20:37:31
haha, alright. because you all sound like you're real old and shit? whatev. this is kind of pathetic. you guys are wayyyyyyyyyy to serious. in the real world, there's nice people, in the sim-obsessed world, apparently not.

STFU and GTFO?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 30, 20:38:56
Oh and Brittany, I know that you most likely aren't going to go back and catch up with what has been going on because you're lazy, selfish, and immature, so I'm going to say one thing: do not go on Insim. Devilfish said this also but I'm going to say why. Pescado is trying do something very important with the site which requires people to not even attempt to load it. If you even attempt you load it, you can completely destroy his progress. Don't do it. Tell your little freinds too. Dont go on the site.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 30, 20:39:23
Wanna nip over to the other place for a nice cuppa?

Bring back donuts we're getting a little peckish. thnx


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 20:39:36
okay, my bad. i only used the site to download it, i didn't keep up with the community itself and it's members. because just like this, internet forums = dramaaaaa. I just wanted the downloaded. sorry for being soooo selfish and inconsiderate. shit.

Then why are you here posting about it, if you don't care about communities? Did you make an account just to let us all know you want something? Insim is down, you noticed that much, but you didn't think anyone would be affected by this other than the people who just wanted the hack (that's you, wanting your shiny toy NAO!)? That's a little short-sighted, to say the least. Should have thought about it. How did you get here anyway, and why did you make an account, if ou hate the dramaz so much?

Sorry, but you're surounded by cranky pirates on a very short leash who are itching to sink their claws into anything Insim related. Best to back away slowly.

haha, alright. because you all sound like you're real old and shit? whatev. this is kind of pathetic. you guys are wayyyyyyyyyy to serious. in the real world, there's nice people, in the sim-obsessed world, apparently not.

Fucking HELL! I told you not to do that! I'm sooo sick of the "Boohoo you gys so MEAN" routine!. You signed up for an adult forum to whine. Fuck that. If you want fake-ass glitter fun fests controlled by the grin mafia where every harsh word is promptly deleted, try that other forum we're talking about.

Aside from the general batshit craziness she suffers from, one of my mods is someone she flung out of her forum over a very politely phrased concern ON ANOTHER SITE. When I say no dramaz, I mean it. And that person is drama in a time bomb. I'm not a ban happy person, in fact I hate doing it, but not with people like that who only exist to cause problems. I know there are other people that like her and haven't had problems with her, more power to you. I however have no interest in even giving her brand of crazy a chance. :P

Win. I hd problems with her and she had problems with me, so in the end I'd promised to stay out of her way. I intend to keep that promise, but I'm still a little sore about it (as I'm sure she is as well). Trying very hard not to gloat, having been swepped up in a shitstorm with her before.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 20:40:38
haha, alright. because you all sound like you're real old and shit? whatev. this is kind of pathetic. you guys are wayyyyyyyyyy to serious. in the real world, there's nice people, in the sim-obsessed world, apparently not.

You're so right - I should have been nicer.

(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5702/gtfove9.jpg)

Nice enough for you?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 20:41:16
okay, my bad. i only used the site to download it, i didn't keep up with the community itself and it's members. because just like this, internet forums = dramaaaaa. I just wanted the downloaded. sorry for being soooo selfish and inconsiderate. shit.

Walt has taken insim to his underwater lair, where it sits next to his dolphin statue collection.  Pescado is trying to get it back, but is a slow moving process because not everyone is reading the thread here and instead only worried about how to get downloads and therefore causing moar problems.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 30, 20:42:07
The cat says all.
(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/getoffmylawnunbrand.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 20:42:18
Oh and Brittany, I know that you most likely aren't going to go back and catch up with what has been going on because you're lazy, selfish, and immature, so I'm going to say one thing: do not go on Insim. Devilfish said this also but I'm going to say why. Pescado is trying do something very important with the site which requires people to not even attempt to load it. If you even attempt you load it, you can completely destroy his progress. Don't do it. Tell your little freinds too. Dont go on the site.

Thanks, I appreciate that. Sorry guys but I'm definitely not going to read 81 pages of this, don't tell me you would either.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 20:42:48
this is stuuuuupid. i'm not even going to read all of that. when is the site supposed to be back up? and is there an alternative link? i just started playing sims again and it's breaking my heart that i don't have the insimenator.  >:(

You are stuuuuupid cause you got out of the playpen without checking to see if there was someone to make sure you didn't hurt yourself on the internet.

haha, alright. because you all sound like you're real old and shit? whatev. this is kind of pathetic. you guys are wayyyyyyyyyy to serious. in the real world, there's nice people, in the sim-obsessed world, apparently not.

And when you've been kicked in the crotch by someone you trusted and the site you worked at handed over to some basement dwelling mama's boy to make some money on, then you'd be fucking serious too. Maybe, if you live long enough to mature, you'll find out things like that. God, I hope you don't breed. I shudder to think what kids of yours would be like. Just, go home and grow a brain!

ETA: Lazy little bitch, we've had others just come in on this and they take the time to read it all, what makes you so special? Is it that thing between your ears that keeps the wind from whistling through isn't doing it's job properly? And in case you need to know what that is, it's called a brain, dumbass. Had you been decent, maybe, just MAYBE, I would have sent it to you but as it is, fuck off.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 20:43:55
oh and ps, i'm lazy, selfish and immature because i won't read 81 pages of you guys doing this crap? really?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 20:45:21


Thanks, I appreciate that. Sorry guys but I'm definitely not going to read 81 pages of this, don't tell me you would either.

No but you can skim, type in key words or use the search button.  Plus, it's only mentioned alot and everything so kinda hard to miss unless you aren't putting forth any effort at all.  If you can't then why should we?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 30, 20:45:39
oh and ps, i'm lazy, selfish and immature because i won't read 81 pages of you guys doing this crap? really?
Yes as a matter of fact you are. You're lazy because you wont' go back and read even the smallest amount, and your selfish and immature because you came on here bitching to everyone that the shitty site is down when we all know that, so yes you are.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: dollface on 2008 November 30, 20:46:35
haha, alright. because you all sound like you're real old and shit? whatev. this is kind of pathetic. you guys are wayyyyyyyyyy to serious. in the real world, there's nice people, in the sim-obsessed world, apparently not.

Is there a particular reason you added about 9 'Y's to the word "way"? If it was for emphasize that we are, in fact, too serious, you could have simply used your words. That's what adults do, you know? We use our words. This is only one of the many reasons you were quickly identified as a 12. Please go away.

Also:

(http://i37.tinypic.com/ac7jop.jpg)

This is your shift key. Plz to be uzin' it, kthx.

P.S. I've read all 81 pages of this, so yes - I would expect you to at least attempt to catch the gist of the thread before posting.

ETA: Sorry for the redundant post! You all post like lightening.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 20:48:26
oh and ps, i'm lazy, selfish and immature because i won't read 81 pages of you guys doing this crap? really?

Don't forget idiotic and demanding - an essential ingredient of your interaction here.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 20:49:30


P.S. I've read all 81 pages of this, so yes - I would expect you to at least attempt to catch the gist of the thread before posting.



That would be wayyyyyyyyy too logical


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 20:50:18
oh and ps, i'm lazy, selfish and immature because i won't read 81 pages of you guys doing this crap? really?

Why? Why are you still here? Are we being too nice? Did we not explain ourselves properly? We've used pictures and small words and our fucking SHIFT KEYS to make ACTUAL WORDS. What more can we do? GET OUT! Then we can stop doing this crap.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: i saw drones on 2008 November 30, 20:51:05
Sorry guys but I'm definitely not going to read 81 pages of this, don't tell me you would either.

I have read pretty much every post of this thread, and if you were interested in what is happening with Insim, and the efforts that are taking place to restore it, you would too.
Coming in and being all waaah and 12 about it and demanding things isn't going to get you anywhere. Seriously.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: vindi on 2008 November 30, 20:51:47
Holy crap, hocake just STFU. If you had asked appropriately, I'm sure someone would give you the damn insiminator. But you act like we're losers because we refuse to listen to a stupid 12 who has an entitlement problem. Go back to your play room, I bet your dollies miss you 'cos you're so speshul in every way. In the sim world, there are 'nice' people (read: exchange tards controlled by benes and maxoids) and then there are real people. Deal with it.

Fake edit - Damn, three people posted before I did. I'm too slow to jump on a tard... :( :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TashaFaun on 2008 November 30, 20:52:13
oh and ps, i'm lazy, selfish and immature because i won't read 81 pages of you guys doing this crap? really?

Hey! Retard! We have read the 81 pages so piss off you lazy kid.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: dollface on 2008 November 30, 20:52:47
That would be wayyyyyyyyy too logical


:D *roffle*

You're right, what was I thinking? I should know better than to attempt to reason with the 'youngin'.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Bliss on 2008 November 30, 20:53:30
oh and ps, i'm lazy, selfish and immature because i won't read 81 pages of you guys doing this crap? really?

Don't forget idiotic and demanding - an essential ingredient of your interaction here.

You forgot greedy.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 30, 20:54:00
LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE!!!!EINZZZZZ


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 20:54:28
Alright, here's my apology then. This is way more serious to some of us than others, and I'll take it at that. I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums. If that makes me lazy, selfish, and immature, then so be it. I have other things to do today. So stop trashing me, and I'lll try to keep up. Okay?

P.S. - If you guys could stop trashing me for like five seconds, I could actually post this.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: i saw drones on 2008 November 30, 20:55:09
KENMTL ROFL  :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 20:56:18
Alright, here's my apology then. This is way more serious to some of us than others, and I'll take it at that. I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums. If that makes me lazy, selfish, and immature, then so be it. I have other things to do today. So stop trashing me, and I'lll try to keep up. Okay?

P.S. - If you guys could stop trashing me for like five seconds, I could actually post this.

Fair enough. Apology accepted as far as I'm concerned. You do your bit and we'll get on with ours.

LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE!!!!EINZZZZZ

 :D WIN!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 20:57:18
I have other things to do today.

Everything except download Insimenator - so get reading - there will be a quiz.

kenmtl roxxors my soxxors.  :-*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: TashaFaun on 2008 November 30, 20:58:17
I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums.

If it takes you all day to read 81 forum pages I feel really bad for you. Your 12ness, let me show you it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 20:59:19
Alright, here's my apology then. This is way more serious to some of us than others, and I'll take it at that. I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums. If that makes me lazy, selfish, and immature, then so be it. I have other things to do today. So stop trashing me, and I'lll try to keep up. Okay?

P.S. - If you guys could stop trashing me for like five seconds, I could actually post this.

Fair enough. Apology accepted as far as I'm concerned. You do your bit and we'll get on with ours.

Thanks, I can be "adultlike" when it comes to typing on a forum too. I just didn't think it was that serious that I type for real. And really? Selfish, immature, greedy, demanding are 4 words that do not describe me in any way at all. When I first posted that, I didn't realize there were 81 pages, as soon as I posted it I was like "oh shit I should have paid more attention". So if you wanna call me blind and lazy, so be it. But I'm hardly any of those other things. And thanks Devilfish for being reasonable.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 30, 21:00:02
Alright, here's my apology then. This is way more serious to some of us than others, and I'll take it at that. I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums. If that makes me lazy, selfish, and immature, then so be it. I have other things to do today. So stop trashing me, and I'lll try to keep up. Okay?

P.S. - If you guys could stop trashing me for like five seconds, I could actually post this.

Wow. Nice non-apology, you selfish, whiny, entitled, lazy brat. If you don't want to do the work, you don't get to demand someone else do it for you and then screech when people balk.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 30, 21:00:54
Alright, here's my apology then. This is way more serious to some of us than others, and I'll take it at that. I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums. If that makes me lazy, selfish, and immature, then so be it. I have other things to do today. So stop trashing me, and I'lll try to keep up. Okay?

P.S. - If you guys could stop trashing me for like five seconds, I could actually post this.

Fair enough. Apology accepted as far as I'm concerned. You do your bit and we'll get on with ours.

Thanks, I can be "adultlike" when it comes to typing on a forum too. I just didn't think it was that serious that I type for real. And really? Selfish, immature, greedy, demanding are 4 words that do not describe me in any way at all. When I first posted that, I didn't realize there were 81 pages, as soon as I posted it I was like "oh shit I should have paid more attention". So if you wanna call me blind and lazy, so be it. But I'm hardly any of those other things. And thanks Devilfish for being reasonable.

How the hell did you not know that there was 81 pages? How do you miss something like that?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: pervypixie on 2008 November 30, 21:01:31
oh and ps, i'm lazy, selfish and immature because i won't read 81 pages of you guys doing this crap? really?

I've been lurking here for awhile now. Had no reason to post before, simply because other people already said what I wanted to say, so it was pointless. BUT Brittanyhocake, I should congratulate you for getting me out of lurker mode.

I'm not active within pretty much any of the Sim communities, but have been following this thread because although I don't post or whatever I do feel for these people who have lost not only a place to download CC, but have lost their HOME. It makes me mad to think that someone like you come breezing into this thread and assume that everyone will drop everything for you. It also gets me how flippant you are about reading 81 pages, I have read every single post on this thread and yes it took me a long time. And yes I have no life, but despite not being active in this community I do CARE about what's going on.

So please pick up your toys and go tell someone who cares.

Aims


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 21:03:56
Seriously brittanyhocake, you need to just quit while you're not ahead.  You come in here demanding crap, then give some lame excuse and backhanded apology and expect that everyone will just accept that.  I suggest you lurk moar, because there is alot about PMBD that you don't understand. 

Edit: major mistakes due to typing too fast...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Bliss on 2008 November 30, 21:04:57
That was the worst apology I've ever seen, and I should know, I've dated some real assholes who couldn't apologize if Shakespeare wrote it out on cue cards for them.  

But I don't care.  No skin off my old lady nose.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2008 November 30, 21:05:40
I didn't know they still made ho cakes.  I guess hoes gotta eat too.



Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 30, 21:06:31
Alright, here's my apology then. This is way more serious to some of us than others, and I'll take it at that. I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums. If that makes me lazy, selfish, and immature, then so be it. I have other things to do today. So stop trashing me, and I'lll try to keep up. Okay?

P.S. - If you guys could stop trashing me for like five seconds, I could actually post this.

Fair enough. Apology accepted as far as I'm concerned. You do your bit and we'll get on with ours.


Thanks, I can be "adultlike" when it comes to typing on a forum too. I just didn't think it was that serious that I type for real. And really? Selfish, immature, greedy, demanding are 4 words that do not describe me in any way at all. When I first posted that, I didn't realize there were 81 pages, as soon as I posted it I was like "oh shit I should have paid more attention". So if you wanna call me blind and lazy, so be it. But I'm hardly any of those other things. And thanks Devilfish for being reasonable.

Are you Celestard in disguise? Because this is the exact same shit she says. Devilfish was being just like everyone else here. If you can't lurk and read, then don't bother. People here hate fucking repeating themselves if it's been recently discussed. And I'm sure you can tell by how long this thread is, it has been recently discussed.

And explain to us, if everyone that has posted in this thread, well with the exception of you, has made the effort or attempted to read?  Do you feel spechul? No one's going to give you the run down if you don't attempt to educate yourself first. And please stop, your 12 is showing.

And trashing you? Do you know why you are getting trashed? Or do you have a self persecution complex? We are trashing you because you came to OUR bored saying you don't care what is going you You just wanted you insimenator. Do you not see how that is seen as being greedy? Or lazy by not wanting, or caring to know what the deal is?

Honestly honey, learn to fucking read. It will help you a lot in life.

edit: I forgot my macro.  :'(

(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j61/miss_sabrina/displeased.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 21:07:06
Alright, here's my apology then. This is way more serious to some of us than others, and I'll take it at that. I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums. If that makes me lazy, selfish, and immature, then so be it. I have other things to do today. So stop trashing me, and I'lll try to keep up. Okay?

P.S. - If you guys could stop trashing me for like five seconds, I could actually post this.

Fair enough. Apology accepted as far as I'm concerned. You do your bit and we'll get on with ours.

Thanks, I can be "adultlike" when it comes to typing on a forum too. I just didn't think it was that serious that I type for real. And really? Selfish, immature, greedy, demanding are 4 words that do not describe me in any way at all. When I first posted that, I didn't realize there were 81 pages, as soon as I posted it I was like "oh shit I should have paid more attention". So if you wanna call me blind and lazy, so be it. But I'm hardly any of those other things. And thanks Devilfish for being reasonable.

How the hell did you not know that there was 81 pages? How do you miss something like that?

I guess I'm just an idiot. You'll get over it, because in the real world people make mistakes.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 21:08:11
Why did I just have the feeling someone, most likely kenmtl, was gonna say that? And Britt? Your parents made a mistake and gave it a name and raised it. Tell me, did any of their intelligent kids survive?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: simsartgallery on 2008 November 30, 21:08:57
I'm sorry but the fact she calls herself a ho cake says it all for me....


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 21:09:15
Meh, you apologised. Badly, but yeah, I didn't expect anything else. I'd still prefer it if you went elsewhere, but at least it put a stop to the whinefest.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 21:09:38
Alright, here's my apology then. This is way more serious to some of us than others, and I'll take it at that. I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums. If that makes me lazy, selfish, and immature, then so be it. I have other things to do today. So stop trashing me, and I'lll try to keep up. Okay?

P.S. - If you guys could stop trashing me for like five seconds, I could actually post this.

Wow. Nice non-apology, you selfish, whiny, entitled, lazy brat. If you don't want to do the work, you don't get to demand someone else do it for you and then screech when people balk.

Uhm, I wasn't being demanding. And I backed down because obviously I was disrespecting some people because this is a big deal to them. If you can't accept my apology, you'll get over it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Ali on 2008 November 30, 21:10:20
and please to be not registering at the new site when it's up

kthnxbai


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 30, 21:11:26
Alright, here's my apology then. This is way more serious to some of us than others, and I'll take it at that. I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums. If that makes me lazy, selfish, and immature, then so be it. I have other things to do today. So stop trashing me, and I'lll try to keep up. Okay?

P.S. - If you guys could stop trashing me for like five seconds, I could actually post this.

Wow. Nice non-apology, you selfish, whiny, entitled, lazy brat. If you don't want to do the work, you don't get to demand someone else do it for you and then screech when people balk.

Uhm, I wasn't being demanding. And I backed down because obviously I was disrespecting some people because this is a big deal to them. If you can't accept my apology, you'll get over it.

GO AWAY.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Missbonbon on 2008 November 30, 21:11:48
Yes brittanyhocakes, people fuck up. But generally people admit they fucked up and either A. genuinely apologize, B. Being sporking their own stupidity. If you had made a genuine apology all would have been forgotten, or just picked at yourself for having an attitude it all would have ended in good fun. But you have a "holier than thou" attitude, which is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 21:12:05

Uhm, I wasn't being demanding. And I backed down because obviously I was disrespecting some people because this is a big deal to them. If you can't accept my apology, you'll get over it.

Who do you think you are Walt?  

too bad you won't get that joke.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 30, 21:12:25
How many times do you guys have to be told " Get over it" before it sinks in. Geesh!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 21:12:55
I'm sorry but the fact she calls herself a ho cake says it all for me....

Do you know what a ho cake is?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lael on 2008 November 30, 21:14:04
oh and ps, i'm lazy, selfish and immature because i won't read 81 pages of you guys doing this crap? really?

I know this is pages away now, but fuck that! Yes, we've read every damn word of it, plus many of us are actually reading at least 3 other sites too. So, in a word, yes. You are in fact lazy, selfish and immature, you twit. I now completely understand the 12 issue that puzzled me before. Thanks for furthering my education.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: redisenchanted on 2008 November 30, 21:14:21
Alright, here's my apology then. This is way more serious to some of us than others, and I'll take it at that. I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums. If that makes me lazy, selfish, and immature, then so be it. I have other things to do today. So stop trashing me, and I'lll try to keep up. Okay?

P.S. - If you guys could stop trashing me for like five seconds, I could actually post this.

Wow. Nice non-apology, you selfish, whiny, entitled, lazy brat. If you don't want to do the work, you don't get to demand someone else do it for you and then screech when people balk.

Uhm, I wasn't being demanding. And I backed down because obviously I was disrespecting some people because this is a big deal to them. If you can't accept my apology, you'll get over it.

No that's real smart! Have you been watching Walt videos? Get over it? If you had spent 5 minute learning about this disaster, you'd know better than to say that. I don't often bash idiots, but you're pretty exceptional.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: FreeShitOnly on 2008 November 30, 21:14:45
I'm sorry but the fact she calls herself a ho cake says it all for me....

Do you know what a ho cake is?

Yes.  A bakery item for hoes.  Because hoes gotta eat too.  I said this already.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Quorneater on 2008 November 30, 21:14:56
Surely Brittanyhocake is a socktroll?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 21:15:06


Do you know what a ho cake is?

*refrains from making joke about the south*


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 21:15:08
That depends on if a steak dinner goes with it, ken.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 21:15:15
Uhm, I wasn't being demanding. And I backed down because obviously I was disrespecting some people because this is a big deal to them. If you can't accept my apology, you'll get over it.

This lolbackdown?

haha, alright. because you all sound like you're real old and shit? whatev. this is kind of pathetic. you guys are wayyyyyyyyyy to serious. in the real world, there's nice people, in the sim-obsessed world, apparently not.

This is PMBD - we don't do whiny 12s with insults and demands, *even* if they "apologise" and "backdown"


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: mando on 2008 November 30, 21:15:26
Do you know what a ho cake is?

Are you still here?!! Go away! I'm trying to read!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: simsartgallery on 2008 November 30, 21:15:53
Brit -

Someone told you to back away slowly. They were wrong. It's time for you to run. We realize not everyone cares, but the bulk of us care because it did affect an entire community. I don't care for the Insim board. I don't know the people, etc. I only downloaded a few things from there and was on my way. But human nature dictates to me that in our entire community, one section of it was hurt and hurt badly. So therefore I care enough to at least keep up with what is going on only if it's a show of support for the folks that ran it and visited it. You don't have to care but you also don't have to be a bitch. Put your big girl panties on, take what you deserve and leave. You don't get it and you never will. There are things bigger than ourselves at times and this is one of them.

eta: You added insult to injury from your very first post and you keep piling it on. I think you deserve what you get.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 November 30, 21:18:32
I'm sorry but the fact she calls herself a ho cake says it all for me....

Do you know what a ho cake is?
Do you? (clue: it's between your legs)

For the record, I skipped about 40 pages in this thread. I still know the basics. You have no excuse, and my shitty memory still retains archives of 12ness. It will not be forgotten.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 30, 21:19:45
Why did I just have the feeling someone, most likely kenmtl, was gonna say that?

Would I ever let you down?


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Piratey on 2008 November 30, 21:20:47
haha, alright. because you all sound like you're real old and shit? whatev. this is kind of pathetic. you guys are wayyyyyyyyyy to serious. in the real world, there's nice people, in the sim-obsessed world, apparently not.
You may think the world is all sunshine and lollipops, but you have clearly never left your mother's basement. Time to wake up and smell the shit.
Of course this is wasted on Birtfishcake, who hasn't a clue what the hell is going on due to her ignorance.

And get off our damn lawn! We don't want or need kids like you around here. Take the turd with you while you're at it.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 21:21:25
Anyways, what in the hell did you expect to get, sunshine and lollipops? There ain't no fucking sunshine here cause it's snowing and I'm about to shove a lollipop up your ass to take the place of the common sense that you so obviously lack, little ho cake!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Waya on 2008 November 30, 21:22:22
Damn, I just finished reading every post in this thread, Wow! I mostly lurk, but one of the places I could call home on the net was Insim and especally Insim Adult. I was in several contests there and didn't spend all of my time in lurk mode. I know that I will be hit with jugs of concrete and feed to sharks for the feel-good comment I am about to make.

I just want to thank you all for everything you've been doing to save the site, as it is the closest thing I have found to a home on the web.

Now I will hand out rum and donuts to all and return to lurk mode.
Thanks again!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: neriana on 2008 November 30, 21:23:12
haha, alright. because you all sound like you're real old and shit? whatev. this is kind of pathetic. you guys are wayyyyyyyyyy to serious. in the real world, there's nice people, in the sim-obsessed world, apparently not.
You may think the world is all sunshine and lollipops, but you have clearly never left your mother's basement. Time to wake up and smell the shit.
Of course this is wasted on Birtfishcake, who hasn't a clue what the hell is going on due to her ignorance.

Didn't you know, "nice people" are those who do things for the brat while she moans and bitches, "mean people" are those who tell her to do her homework and clean her room if she wants dessert.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 21:23:44
You may think the world is all sunshine and lollipops, but you have clearly never left your mother's basement. Time to wake up and smell the shit.

Anyways, what in the hell did you expect to get, sunshine and lollipops?

Echo echo echo echo echo


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: simsartgallery on 2008 November 30, 21:24:45
Waya,

There's no reason to think you'll be blasted for that comment. It was very kind of you. Although not everyone visited or cared for Insim that doesn't mean it was not without it's value. It was a home to a great many people and a good one for them. I'm personally glad it's being saved for those folks.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: gayle_afcb on 2008 November 30, 21:25:56
Good 1st post waya - no jugs of concrete for you  ;D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Bliss on 2008 November 30, 21:26:05
Ninja lollipops. Awesome.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 21:26:36
When you have the notify of someone posting at the same time turned off, it happens. It's the only way to get something in at times.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Devilfish on 2008 November 30, 21:26:57
Damn, I just finished reading every post in this thread, Wow! I mostly lurk, but one of the places I could call home on the net was Insim and especally Insim Adult. I was in several contests there and didn't spend all of my time in lurk mode. I know that I will be hit with jugs of concrete and feed to sharks for the feel-good comment I am about to make.

I just want to thank you all for everything you've been doing to save the site, as it is the closest thing I have found to a home on the web.

Now I will hand out rum and donuts to all and return to lurk mode.
Thanks again!

First posts: how to do it better. Take note, newbs.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: thedom on 2008 November 30, 21:27:07
I'm sorry but the fact she calls herself a ho cake says it all for me....

Do you know what a ho cake is?
Do you? (clue: it's between your legs)

For the record, I skipped about 40 pages in this thread. I still know the basics. You have no excuse, and my shitty memory still retains archives of 12ness. It will not be forgotten.
I skipped about 20 but I know everything important....i.e what pescado is doing with insim, the charts and graphs, and all that important shit.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 21:27:53
Haha, okay, whatever guys. Sorry my apology wasn't good enough for some of you, thanks to those of you who accepted it and moved on. That's what I'm doing now, moving on. And I don't know how I'm being demanding of anything at all. I said already that I didn't realize there was 81 pages. I went to a different less rude forum and read up, so thanks.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: calalily on 2008 November 30, 21:28:47
Ninja lollipops. Awesome.

 :D I know - hilarious that they picked the same phrase.

Haha, okay, whatever guys. Sorry my apology wasn't good enough for some of you, thanks to those of you who accepted it and moved on. That's what I'm doing now, moving on. And I don't know how I'm being demanding of anything at all. I said already that I didn't realize there was 81 pages. I went to a different less rude forum and read up, so thanks.

Don't thank us - we thank you - for going somewhere else.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: cookiepirate on 2008 November 30, 21:29:20
Alright, here's my apology then. This is way more serious to some of us than others, and I'll take it at that. I'm sorry for "stomping" on your threads, and for not sitting here all day and reading 81 pages of forums. If that makes me lazy, selfish, and immature, then so be it. I have other things to do today. So stop trashing me, and I'lll try to keep up. Okay?

P.S. - If you guys could stop trashing me for like five seconds, I could actually post this.

Fair enough. Apology accepted as far as I'm concerned. You do your bit and we'll get on with ours.

Thanks, I can be "adultlike" when it comes to typing on a forum too. I just didn't think it was that serious that I type for real. And really? Selfish, immature, greedy, demanding are 4 words that do not describe me in any way at all. When I first posted that, I didn't realize there were 81 pages, as soon as I posted it I was like "oh shit I should have paid more attention". So if you wanna call me blind and lazy, so be it. But I'm hardly any of those other things. And thanks Devilfish for being reasonable.

How the hell did you not know that there was 81 pages? How do you miss something like that?

I guess I'm just an idiot. You'll get over it, because in the real world people make mistakes.

And you keep making the SAME mistake...LEARN from it.

HELPFUL HINT:  You've half assed apologized, now be quiet, take your lumps from us pirates, read the pages AND the FAQ before posting ANYTHING else.  Then, come back and post something without using a lot of eleventy111!!!11 and y's.  Maybe you will be taken a bit more seriously.

Fake Edit:  Damn quick posters....good thing I use the preview!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Paden on 2008 November 30, 21:29:23
So why don't you move on from this site? You've made clear that you're a little twit with delusions of being holier than thou.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 21:30:02
I went to a different less rude forum and read up, so thanks.

It's these sort of comments that aren't going to help your case here.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: dollface on 2008 November 30, 21:30:29
Haha, okay, whatever guys. Sorry my apology wasn't good enough for some of you, thanks to those of you who accepted it and moved on. That's what I'm doing now, moving on. And I don't know how I'm being demanding of anything at all. I said already that I didn't realize there was 81 pages. I went to a different less rude forum and read up, so thanks.

(http://i38.tinypic.com/28tt1j.jpg)

Thank God.  ;)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: chemistrycourtney on 2008 November 30, 21:31:01
I'm so glad that a different less rude forum is taking screenies of here for her.   :D


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: simsartgallery on 2008 November 30, 21:33:15
Haha, okay, whatever guys. Sorry my apology wasn't good enough for some of you, thanks to those of you who accepted it and moved on. That's what I'm doing now, moving on. And I don't know how I'm being demanding of anything at all. I said already that I didn't realize there was 81 pages. I went to a different less rude forum and read up, so thanks.

OMG! Go back, read your very first post then you may come back and call us rude. You little ho. What can we expect? We are rude.... Bite me bitch. At no point has any of your apologies been heartfelt or genuine. Good luck getting that insim...


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Elenath on 2008 November 30, 21:34:12
Wow. I just read all 85-ish pages of this and all I can say is damn. I'm a chronic lurker, but I had to say that this sucks. I've only downloaded at InSim, get the 'why are you so anti-social' pop-up every damn time I show up there after something, but this is nasty. May Walt die slowly of spork-related injuries.  >:( At least now I know to stay the hell away from InSim until told otherwise. Also, brittany, grow the fuck up and go away until you do.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: ZarinaDrac on 2008 November 30, 21:35:22
Another lurker putting her two cents in. Please excuse me if my English is not perfect; I'm Romanian and not a perfect typer.

Firstly I would like to say that I'm sorry to all those who have been hurt by Eric and Kathy's shitty decision. I was never a fan of the douche-fest that was the InSIM boards, but I went regularly for some of the best Sim downloads online. I think what they did was not only highly unprofessional but a total stab in the face with a wooden spoon to the people who considered them friends.

Secondly I'm not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but the first thing I thought of when I heard of Walt's "investment plans" was that he's going to put the InSIM on life support until TS3 comes out. If EAxis isn't putting another expansion out before TS3 there's no real need to keep Eric on board. So maybe he's hoping Eric'll work his magic for a TS3 InSIM and breathe some life into a board that should have been died around the time Eric and Kathy left the first time.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: kenmtl on 2008 November 30, 21:36:13
Haha, okay, whatever guys. Sorry my apology wasn't good enough for some of you, thanks to those of you who accepted it and moved on. That's what I'm doing now, moving on. And I don't know how I'm being demanding of anything at all. I said already that I didn't realize there was 81 pages. I went to a different less rude forum and read up, so thanks.

Ok I'll play.

So when you clicky clickied to post, which numeral did you pick exactly?

(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/20739150/345336827.jpg)


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Lael on 2008 November 30, 21:37:36
WIN! Kenmtl, that is precious!


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Sherry on 2008 November 30, 21:39:13
Wow. I just read all 85-ish pages of this and all I can say is damn. I'm a chronic lurker, but I had to say that this sucks. I've only downloaded at InSim, get the 'why are you so anti-social' pop-up every damn time I show up there after something, but this is nasty.

I hope they have new pop-ups at the new insim.  Like "why you so litigious?" or "why you smoke so much crack?" for starters.  


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: brittanyhocake on 2008 November 30, 21:39:34
Haha, okay, whatever guys. Sorry my apology wasn't good enough for some of you, thanks to those of you who accepted it and moved on. That's what I'm doing now, moving on. And I don't know how I'm being demanding of anything at all. I said already that I didn't realize there was 81 pages. I went to a different less rude forum and read up, so thanks.

Ok I'll play.

So when you clicky clickied to post, which numeral did you pick exactly?

(http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL646/2837408/20739150/345336827.jpg)

My god, I don't want to PLAY anything. I typed "insimenator down" or something of the sort into goole, and the first link took me directly to the first page of the forum. It doesn't even matter, I'm sorry, stop badgering me and keep talking about the real problem here so I can just read.


Title: Re: Insim under new management!
Post by: Tchannie on 2008 November 30, 21:39:53
Ungh