PMBD

http://forums.sims2community.com/showthread.php?t=30984&page=1&pp=25


i love how bluesoup isnt scared to say how she feels unlike the other sheep :) and delphy is busy censoring as usal

yeah umm we've already been talking about that in a different thread (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/phorum/viewtopic.php?t=201), theres no need to start a new thread :)

of course there is, because carlymichelle's thread is OBVIOUSLY more important than the other one  :lol:

It's nice to have a new thread.  Can't you remember how lovely it felt to have a brand new exercise book at school, even if after the first few days you did give in to temptation and start scribbling on the cover :)

Clearly late to the party.  :lol:  It would be better if we could keep it all in one thread though.

Yeah, the hag deleted my first post... wench!

Dragon

who's a hag and a wench? delphy? lol

Also, hangon, BlueSoup's a sheep now?  :o

no noo not bluesoup all the other sheep of MTS2

Yep, that's who.. Delphy= hag and wench.. she said I was off topic which was bs... I wasn't off topic.

Dragon

umm hun delphys a man lOL

Oh, he does it all the time. Don't worry about it.

Yes well some of us want to discuss it civilly not have it turned into a playground brawl.

Looks like I'm not afraid to say what I think, either.

It is? :shock: Hum, maybe he needs to pick more of a masculine name than Delphy. That sounds more for a feminine name to me, but oh well, he still a hag.  

Dragon

He's taking away peoples constitutional  right to express their opinion when he does that.  I guess he just can't handle the truth.

Dragon

Firstly, Delphy is not an American. In fact, Delphy is banned from the US. Secondly, the Constitution only forbids the government from restricting free speech, it doesn't prevent private parties from doing so in private.

Pescado, the ban should be over with by now, i think it ended earlier this year if i did my math correctly (which i probably didnt lol)
Dragon apparently didnt read the new news over at s2c, it says "you have no rights here" :)
And he's always saying that s2c is a private site, so you have only as many rights as you are given by the owners, not by our constitution. Especially since (as pescado pointed out), the site owner isnt american and you need to go back to high school to re-take government class
although judging by all your posts I'm not sure if you're even old enough to have taken government class yet...15 maybe 16 at most?
And if you've taken a look at Delphys avatar (or profile or blog or anything) you'd know that Delphy is a male and Delphy isn't all that feminine of a name, Angelique on the other hand, is pretty feminine--that's the name he uses when he's roleplaying ("in drag", whatever you wanna call it) IIRC lol

Actually I don't post there very often. I've only posted once and that was yesterday. I only go there to check out the new finds, thats it.  I don't post on a lot of forums, I spend most of my time at the BBS. Not meaning to be rude, but I resent that  remark about going back to high school, I just graduated college that took me six years of struggling with twins to raise.  No, I'm not 15 or 16 years old. I am 41 years old.  Taking a gov class would bore me to tears.  Sorry for my misunderstanding.

Dragon

I'd just like to point out that we have Freedom of Speech in the UK too, it's not like the USA is the only country to enjoy that luxury, precious Constitution or not, it's still a right which stands.  Yes, it doesn't apply really, with the 'private forum' and not being the government and so on, I'm just saying free speech isn't something which only applies to Americans.

And also, Delphy is a vaguely feminine sounding name if you don't know any better...like a cutesy derivative of Delphinium, or something.

That's all. :)

Or Delphine. Dragon however sounded like 14-15 to me, too.

There's no 14-15. That is 12.

Right. I always forget.  :D

As far as I know, free speech rights means that you may speech somewhere, not that you may speech wherever you want. Personal freedom stops where someone else's freedom starts.

If you can't speech on a site, your free speech rights entitles you to set up a site on your own where you may do it, if there's no others' sites that allowed you to.

I looked it up in this huge baby name book I have and this is the closes  I found was Delphine (from the Latin Delphinus, a dolphin)  and its in male and female name under french names (don't know why French)  and they both mention a male and female born of this name from Delphi, in the male definition it states Delphi is a ancient city  on the slopes of Mount Parnassus in Greece.  So I would say Delphi has both gender properties. but then again all baby name books and name meanings vary.  And they do have Delphine listed under Greek female name, but not in the male section.. who knows.

Dragon


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I wish I was, I could go back and relive my life over again and maybe it wouldn't be so crappy...  :)

Dragon

Delphi, the ancient greek city known for it's oracle, is in plural form (written Delfoi in greek). Since plural form for both male and female in greek is the same, we can't be sure if it derives from male or female. It has nothing to do, however, with the aquatic mammal, the dolphin, which is Delfini in greek and is neither male nor female. Now, if I had paid a little more attention to the Ancient Greek we're taught in High School, I might have known a bit more. I'm still struggling with the use of Modern Greek though! :P

Has nothing to do with the aquatic mammal? So how do you take in account of Delphinidae? Delphinidae is the taxonomic  name for the dolphin family. And my baby name book said "Delphin is from the Latin Delphinus (a dolphin) or alternatively, from Delphi"  (1996 Teresa Norman) and if you are curious what book I'm talking about it's the "A World of Baby Names"  but like I said before, meanings and origins vary from book to book.  Who know which came first.  

Dragon

http://www.notwithoutmyhandbag.com/babynames/

Oh! The huge manatee!

Nice find.
I found that site a very entertaining read.  :lol:

Interesting!

Dragon

to be fair, he's not american and it is a private site. I do not agree with what he's doing, I think he's a stupid pain in the ass - worse than a fisherwife - but those rights don't really hold up there.

Yeah, I know what you are saying, but it's still not going to stop me from giving my opinion... grin.. If I go back into the forum.  

Dragon

I post my opinion all the damn time. They can delete and warn till their hearts content I have multiple accounts and proxies :D

 :D  teehehehe!!! You go!


Dragon

Go check it out again... it's amazingly funny how hypocrytical these paysite owners are....

hxxp://forums.sims2community.com/showthread.php?p=698439#post698439

IT'S WORKING!


Sorry for the caps but i couldn't resist. we are getting through to them. many have changed their minds! :lol:  :lol:

Not even they could resist visual proof...when it's so obvious!  :D

Amazing! I didn't realize the extent. What a lying bunch of hypocrites! Peggy and Rose are SOOOO busted!

XM sims too, but they at least give it for free and I tend to be less fired up about it...not that it makes it right. Those poser creators' TOS state their files may not be redistributed, free or otherwise.

It isn't limited to hair either.

Look at http://www.poserworks.com/3_sales/1_htm_sales/sales_pg1.htm and see if you think Vitasims violates the Poserworks TOS in the Christmas Story pay set. Unless Vitasims is Poserworks I'd say this is a good example.

Evilllzzzzz :P
and I have screenshots of EVERYTHING so if Delphy goes on a "NO FALSE ACCUSATIONS ALLOWED" deletings spree, I still have everything.

Ahahahahaha. I sense a great disturbance in the force, as though millions of tons of force were being employed in an attempt to restrain a certain finger from clicking a certain button labeled "banhammer".

We should have a 'BUSTED' mark costum made for this shit XD

That would be so cute!

I must say though, that topic at S2C is fantastic. It's really really changing people's views, and in small, potentially productive ways, too. I'm most impressed.

Also, gosh, I also didn't realize quite the full extent of the whole Poser conversions thing...really puts it into perspective with the comparison pics.

Woah.

That's flippin' sweet.  :o

It's a bit frustating to see how some creators managed to ruin some beautiful looking Poser meshes.

What do you think? For a newbie in Milkshape, Maya or Max3D, would it be very hard to learn the converting technique?

Yeah, but if you do that....


ZOMFG U STOLD PEGGYS MESHSES!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!one!111 THEEEEEF!

Not hard at all.

1. buy poser mesh and ignore all wishes of creator about redistribution
2. see what format it is in, import it into milkshape
3. lower vertex count to acceptable sims 2 size ( between 0 and 4000)
4. divide in groups, rename, rewrite comments
5. resize
7. export with unimesh exporter
8. open an original maxis hairmesh with skeleton in Milkshape
9. import poser rip off over this one
10. assign all the vertices to whatever the hell you want, doesn't matter, sheep don't care. Much.
11. export again with unimesh exporter
12. replace GMDC in a newly made mesh package
etc etc normal steps to making and assiging to textures, except:
don't test in game, that is friggin boring. Just take some pics, photoshop those, and get outta there. On to the next rip off!

Don't forget to slightly change the textures and then recolor to 3 kinds of pink,orange, purple and shit. Oh green!

hey man, who you calling a sheep?

Wanna throw down right here? :P

What great advice. Now I am going to make 10 crap meshes and charge $100 each for them! YEAH!!!  :lol:

In the spirit of Paysites Must Be Destroyed, I suggest reporting paysites who use Poser and other 3D modelers' meshes to the original mesh creator. It might not destroy a site, but maybe they will at least have to start paying royalties on the work that isn't theirs. And THAT might hit a few bottom lines.

ARRRRR!

Yowzers, that could cause a few waves  :shock:

I've missed this WHOLE discussion.  Damn me travelling to see friends I havn't seen in 3 years   :x

Who needs friends when you have us? :o

After some of the comments I got after posting my joke picture... I am not sure that I even want to live.  Much less have friends. ;)

To tell the truth my voice hurts from talking so much.  I never use those vocal cord thingies anymore... lol.

Annawanna, I don't see why not.  After all, we'd tell a sims creator if we saw anyone ripping off their work.  Let's broaden our horizons.

Nouk, your... "tutorial" made my sucky day at work a bit less sucky!  :lol:

That reindeer is so cute. awwwwwwwww.  :oops:

Anyway. Yeah. Haven't seen Vitasims Christmas story set.

I'm thinking of learning Poser. All the pretty models and outfits and hair.

Umm, thanks. May be true if you add
13. "Get familiar with Milkshape"
14. "Ask your artist friend in ICQ"  8)

Oh, and 15... "go and find the disc with Poser modells once received as a 'gift'"


Wouldn't that require that the Poser artists can get as hysteric as certain Sim "artists"?

From my experience, if you point a thief that they violate your perfectly legal right, those guys can turn the words in your mouth that in the end, you're the guilty one.

http://www.exnemsims.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1206


this site is so wrong on so many levels!!! he is living off his sims 2 earnings!! and supporting his wife and his baby!!

More eye openers for the community...bwaha!

http://forums.sims2community.com/showpost.php?p=699369&postcount=385

Ghanima rocks  8)

that isn't a new thing :P she always has lol

Did I say that was news? :P

I only found the Sims community because someone robbed my store at Renderosity.  I used to have about five items up -- all eyes and eyebrows and makeup -- and made about $12.00 a month so it wasn't like I was a major player.  A friend had Sims and I saw the eyes I had made in a set on MTS2.  I knew it was mine not only because of the pattern and coloring but because  the highlights in the eyes were my initials.  I complained to the site and the "creator" and absolutely nothing happened. Someone else with Sims content also complained about being robbed.  Then the content was yanked.  It only seemed that Sims content was off limits and not Poser content.

If you're going after mesh thieves you might want to skip Renderosity and go straight to Daz3d.  They actually have an end license agreement and a legal firm and are pretty picky about people ripping them off.

Something that made me laugh the other day was this from ChazDesigns

http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/404/404493.jpg who not only swipes meshes but also complete color palettes http://www-cache.daz3d.com/store/item_file/1821/image_large.jpg.

How did he mangage to make the texture look like he'd pasted from a low quality scan of a magazine?  It looks fine in the original :shock:

Looks like Delphy needs to apply his forum news about "Theft of Intellectual Property" to the people that are really doing the thieving!  :evil:

After browsing through Renderosity, I saw a lot of hairs that reminded me of ChazDesign's hairs.

Doursim - I can't tell if he's lifted the complete texture from Poser.  There's a huge resolution difference for things like hair and if you resize for Sims it looks like mush.  I just thought it was funny that he was using the exact same color selection which kinda put a flashing "I stole this" sign on top of everything.

And everyone keep their eyes open for the appearance of Future Hair (

http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=49615 which is the hot new hair in Poserland.  It's everywhere and I can only imagine how long it will take to migrate to Sims.

Rickets,

Is there a way to legaly purchase a mesh and convert it to sims? If it were free and there were credit? I'm not sure how it all works. What do people usually do with Poser meshes they purchase?

I've often wondered about textures too, just can't believe that many people are that good.

You ought to register and post over at the MTS2 thread. Delphy is a control-freak, but it's probably the best way to get info out to lots of sims players. Everyone is in quite a state over all this.

god that hair looks fugly (by Chaz)
what is everyones obsession with recreating that skank and her hair/clothing?
we need less whore-ish stuff for the game not more lol

I'm sorry your stuff got ripped off. Is the content still up? or did they remove it when they removed the other stolen content?
I am not sure about the Poser thing...IIRC awhile back there was some girl named Katherine that was converting hair meshes from other places (Poser or something) and people were bitching in her threads...her stuff ended up getting deleted i think...but since she had her own sims site (SimsBeauty), people could still technically get the meshes if they wanted them. Actually Sims2Sisters ended up retexturing one of those meshes and TSR probably has it up right now (unless s2s is linking to the file externally)--Ghanima listed it in those comparison pics as being a sims2sisters hair (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/Ghanima/sims2sisters1.jpg)--they didnt make the mesh though nor did they steal it from poser lol--Katherine did.
So maybe it's based on a case by case basis? How much of a tantrum you throw determines whether it gets pulled or not? lol I don't know.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/Ghanima/jeanettehair.jpg Who's hair is that supposed to be...im sure as soon as you tell me i'll say duh i knew that but my memory seems to be shot today lol

That's exnem's hair, had a horrid gap in the back, but someone fixed it. It's been around for awhile, used to be free, maybe it's pay again.  :roll:

Edited to add: BlueSoup fixed the hair, see her post below.  :oops:

Edited yet again to spell BlueSoup correctly.  :oops:  :oops:

with your full lips and great bone structure what have you got to complain about?

I fixed that hair, it's available at both MATY and at The Laden Swallow.  It doesn't include the colours though, only the fixed mesh.

Ya know i kept thinking it was one of his but it wasnt listed on his mts2 page so I figured I was wrong lol....funny how just a few posts before that everyone was talking about how he uses his donations to feed his child.
So I wonder if the sheep think its ok for him to pay for meshes that he then converts to the sims2 (against the creators TOS) and then forces people to pay for just so he doesnt have to get a "real" job to support his family and meanwhile bitches if anyone so much as breathes wrong on his crap or violates his TOS?
BTW before anyone bitches about me saying "real job"....What I mean by "real" is something that doesnt involve him sitting on msn talking to lyric all day while both of them neglect the screaming kids and bitch about how fucking evil we all are for being against them making money off of crap they "borrowed" from other people....that, to me, isn't a job

I guess thats what lyric meant previously when she said some people use the money to support their families--She was defending him but didnt want to name him.

ETA: Unrelated--I just noticed one of the comparison pics shows one of Guppys meshes (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/Ghanima/sims2sisters2.jpg) but its labelled as sims2sisters, i guess they retextured it? Guppy specifically states that the meshes were converted and where he got them from (he even links to the site)--they are available for free on his website  (http://guppysims.webcindario.com/frame.htm)and on the evil tsr. I'm not sure whether thats allowed (to redistribute/edit/clone them) but I like the fact that hes honest about it and isn't making money off of them. They are pretty hard to recolor though and since they are all old, I don't think they're animated or anything--I havent used them in ages.

edited again to add link to picture and fix typo

Plus is looks crap overall. I wouldn't download if  they paid me.

lol surleyfunke and wicked one - thanks  :lol:

As for the Sims2Sisters comparison - my bad. It had Sims2Sisters' name in the item description.

And by the way, I came across no less than 2 other hairs VERY similar to exnem's...

oh i wasn't nitpicking that they were mislabeled
your comparison pics are awesome and i'm sure they have inspired alot of people to learn enough about meshing to be able to do as much as these paysite owners do, except it will be better because these people will actually test the crap in their game and make sure it works right before releasing it *for free* lol
that should put the paysites out of business pretty quickly....they (peggy/exnem/etc) wouldnt have any unique content to offer except for clothing (and even that is easily copied and most are photoskins anyways so many creators end up doing the same outfits accidentally)

Probably because they're all ripping off the same poser mesh

This is really something to watch now, it's like a tiny little revolution. To be honest, I knew about the poser rips, but I never knew the extent. It looks like all the major pay sites are doing it or have done it for their hair or their furnishings.

Pointing out the copies to the actual creator of the original meshes is an interesting idea. Some of those people can get as hysterical about their stuff as people with their sims stuff. So there would definitely be some fires lit under some collective asses about it. But I'm wondering if that isn't a little like shooting a rabbit with a cannon at this point.

Hehehe. Nouk is now offering to work on converting Poser meshes purchased for the Sims 2 community. GO NOUK!  8)


ETA: I would GLADLY donate to such a project. Just tell me where to do it.

Sign me in, both the Nouk offer and the mesh site idea.
No skills to offer, I'm afraid, but I can affod to spare some bucks on it for sure.

I'm broke, but I will definitely try and learn to convert them :D

One thing though: is this 100% legal to do? I know some of those poser creators state in their TOS that their items may not be redistributed, freely or otherwise. Does it apply to Sims2 conversions? Putting illegal paysites out of business by using their own sources sounds brilliant to me, but if the rightful creator doesn't allow it... :?

That Exnem hair I fixed is crap, and I wasn't going to try to fix the whole thing, only the one thing that bugged me the most - the neck gap.  One of the layers (alpha 3? I dunno what it's called) was totally messed.

As for the Poser meshes, I don't think this is going to shut down the paysites but it may hurt a couple of them and that's always good.

As far as Exnem supporting his family by Simming, meh.  Get a real goddamned job doing computer shit if he thinks he's so good, not trying to make a profit on an illegal product.  I don't care if someone is trying to support their entire extended family, I am not donating to anyone for that reason.

I searched high and low and could not manage to find it on either site. Do you think I could have a link to the fixed mesh?

I think the very best thing about that thread so far is it's in a very prominent place and will really make people think.

I hope the poser guys don't expect a royalty for each download of the finished mesh though.  What is poser anyway?

3d modeling software.  Like milkshape, 3ds studio max, etc.

Thanks for the kind words about my textures being swiped.  I'm bitter enough to be hanging out with you guys but otherwise I'm not that traumatized.  All my stuff was removed from MTS2 that time around.  Other textures have shown up but whatever -- I can always make more as opposed to the people who just steal things.

Poser models have limited usage in Poser for anything other than a pretty picture.  You can move the models in and out of other 3D programs and they show up in a lot of computer game designs.

I'll offer up my understanding of what you can do to a Poser mesh for those that asked.  DAZ3D which makes the most well known of all the Poser models allows you to make derivative models but for it to be a legal thing you have to still need the original DAZ model as your base.  Here's what they say at http://www.daz3d.com

"One of the simplest ways to create a derivative model is to convert a DAZ model (typically OBJ format) to another non-Poser format, and distribute that. Beyond this, a DAZ model may be altered by adding and/or removing geometry in order to create a derivative work. Even more difficult for most users to recognize, but still detectable to trained modelers, are methods involving tools that can create a derivative mesh without transferring the polygonal layout of the original. (Many of these methods can result in a mesh which seems legitimate, often with no vertices coincidental with the original. These types of tools/methods may include: NURBS/poly conversions, subdivision/smoothing or triangulation operations, de-resing, shrink-wrapping/fitting and randomization operations.) The distribution of models created using any of the above examples is strictly prohibited, and none of these methods will result in a mesh that is not still subject to DAZ's copyright."

Most individual Poser artist have pretty much the same rules and regulations as DAZ3D.

And if you're really curious you might want to check out the rule book at:
http://poserpros.daz3d.com/wiki/PublicWiki/CopyrightsAndEthics

WOW. :shock: Viva La Revolution...

I always miss the good stuff!  I'm never leaving the computer again.  :roll:

So sorry to be dense, but I'm still not clear.

What people are proposing is to purchase meshes, alter them for usage in sims 2 and give them away for free with full credit to the original mesh creator. Is that allowable?

I wondered the same thing but here's how it's gonna be. It's still an *innitiative* We're asking the poser creators' permission first. The formal request to host the shit on MTS was made already rofl.

Ugh. I just looked at the latest Peggy hair - the long wavy one - and not only can't the girl convert these damn meshes correctly, she can't even bin them properly.

She has the same fucking family set for all her recolours. All TWELVE of them! You can't set the same family for 12 fucking recolours!!!! Doing so means it'll majorly fuck up during age transitions. Ugh. Moron.

Just further proof that she doesn't ever play the damned game. Between the poser swiping and the total fucking incompetency, I'm pretty pissed off, so if you'll excuse me for some of the language.

idtaminger - sorry about the dense licensing quote.  It's the last sentence of the paragraph that sort of tells it all: "The distribution of models created using any of the above examples is strictly prohibited, and none of these methods will result in a mesh that is not still subject to DAZ's copyright".  

My understanding is that if you turn a Poser hair into a Sims hair the copyright still belongs to the original creator.

So then, it sound like each individual creator would have to give permission before any derivative work could be legitimately redistributed.

Thanks for the clarification, very useful. The 3D site is very interesting. I'm itching to learn more about meshing now.

After reading that giant thread my already high opinion of Nouk is now astronomical. :D If this gets off of the ground, it'll be really, really awesome. I don't have a lot of free time, but I'll certainly do some recolours/retextures of stuff when the time comes, since I've been planning to finally share the clothes I make for myself.

[edit] Who is that Crocobaura person and why is s/he trying to piss on everyone's parade? Yes, some Poser artists may say no to the project - then the people doing the project move on to another artist. Methinks someone has something against the hoi polloi using whatever neat hair s/he has gotten, too.

Poser artist are pretty cool about sharing stuff.  Like Sims there are paysites like Renderosity (which also has a free section) and completely free sites.  

Kozaburo ( http://digitalbabes2.com/ )has all sorts of free things and his stuff is the most frequently lifted without credit by Paysites.   His definition of "free" means you can use the hairs and clothes in your images but cannot distribute them.   Paysite owners seem to skip the read me.  Then again maybe they have asked permission -- I've used stuff by Kozaburo as a base and had no problems getting a permission.

For links to free Poser content check out: http://www.handspanstudios.com/links.html [/url]

I'm re-reading the whole thread just for the pleasure it gives me.



How refreshing!

p.s. It's not 22 December yet, but I think I might have an orgasm right now; does it counts?  :P

A big douche with an axe to grind is all I can figure.

http://www.nectere.net/smf/index.php?topic=14.0

For those interested in Poser there is a free program at DAZ3D which is similar: http://www.daz3d.com/program/studio/

Since this whole discussion blew up I found that site and also noticed that a few looked familiar.  I ALSO read the readme and was just that much more annoyed.   I would like to know if Peggy actually got permission to redistribute some of those hairs.

wow :shock: the news is really getting around

 Why do people hate Paysites?
Forum: Sims 2 Chat:    views - 21,114,    replies - 645

The fixed version of both the famous Rose mesh and the Exnem mesh should be the versions currently on PMBD, which means they're better than the "official" version.

I can't believe I missed all this :-)
I'm a poser user too and I have raised my eyebrows about some of the hair made lately for the sims but wasn't too sure.
Honestly... I see some fireworks starting up again it's happened before and TSR got in trouble for it but they managed to make a deal with 3dream. (they got 1 mesh?)  :?
Sunair has used a person called maya's free poser hair although from what I heard maya is really nice so I'm not sure if permission was asked and he agreed.
The poser community are quite mature about matters but if you wanted to use something they would like you to ask permission... and one reason why you should read their readme file.

When they used koz's hair at MTS it was quite funny because they posted the readme file and didn't seemed to understand the 'do not distribute' that was right in front of them.  :lol: They didn't get permission to use it... at the time. (so I heard)

Edited to add: Actually the last thread I read about skins and hair from poser being used they wanted to know if it was extractable from the game... and it was through simpe so a sim fan pointed out to them... they didn't like that fact. (that might go against the case of converting of poser hair, skins, objects)

All i'd say is tread carefully... they may agree to free hair meshes but pay... I'm not too sure.
Although if Nouk's plan works, good... because some poser hair would look really nice on sims.  
Good Luck Nouk.  :D

Gosh. This is actually really fascinating. It's like, people's consciousnesses are against the whole PMBD thing, but their subconscious totally believes in the cause, so when a very 'respectable' way to fight comes up, against something which really, I thought was a fairly minor point in the scheme of things, they're all over it.

Which is good, of course, very very good indeed...but....it's just interesting, the way everything has been got through to them, in the end...

Some things have gotten through to some people... In the end.

*shrugs* I'm a cheerful optimist on the quiet.

Ooh, I like that S2C's thread (mainly for the pictures 'cause I don't feel like reading all replies). :D Some hairs are undoubtedly taken from Poser or any other 3D sites while others have lots of similarities (probably tweaked a little).

Nouk's idea sounds promising, I hope it will work!

If only a few of 'em get it "in the end", that's a giggle factor.
 :P

Lemmiwinks, I am SHOCKED. SHOCKED at the innuendo.

*giggles*

That made me semi-lol.

In the  innuendo, is good enough.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/nivaya/1144352402604.jpg)

My kitten sees me also.

Would that be Ceiling Cat? *raises eyebrow*

It's mine and I can do what I please with it. It's not like I am downloading Inteen or anything!   :wink:

Uh...they're SUPPOSED to have the same family. Otherwise they won't all link to the same gray and you get duplicate graytextures. Having 12 recolors is generally a bad practice, though, as the game will be confused about which one to use, but this is not as bad as having 12 grays! A little confuzzlement at transition time about which of the 3 or 4 browns to use is not as bad as 12 grays hogging memory footprint!

Plus you can decide which one to keep as your brown and nuke the rest, and the entire mess works.

it won't, like, think the brown toddler hair goes to the red child hair or anything?

*knows nothing about hair*

Well, I've manually binned a good majority of the hair I use in the game.  I had downloaded bunches before everyone colorbinned everything.  (Note:  THAT SUCKED.)

And I decided to make all of the colors of a style part of the same family, even if that meant that I had four browns or whatever.  Stupid XMSims hair with its 80 shades I can't choose between.

Anyway, all it means is that when a Sim ages, instead of necessarily staying with the particular shade of brown he or she had at child stage, their hair in teen stage might be one of the other shades in that style after the transition.

I'd rather have all the browns of one style linked, myself, since a lot of times I want to go change the Sim's hairstyle after they age anyway.

Honestly, that thread is fascinating to read.  And somewhat encouraging.  I learned the error of my ways, I'm sure other people can too.

Hey, thanks for the links and stuff!  8)

I know noone's interested about what I'm gonna say, but this is the thread from S2C that actually convinced me for good to join "the dark side"... I used to actually donate, even though I secretly enjoyed reading the oh so juicy gossip on this site and tried to resist the temptation of downloading from the booty...

But now, with all the shitty secrets being revealed, the hell with paysites!!! They ain't getting a dime from me!  :twisted: *booty, here I come*

Such a refreshing way to post my first post here...  :D

I thought these posts from renderosity may interest some of you.
(you may need to register to read though) Just to let you know that most of these are old... 2005 but it'll give you an idea about what they think on their meshes being used. (and sold)

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=2432904
3dream's hair models noticed at TSR although I'm sure there was a bigger thread than this last time.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2492339
Noticing about skins being used

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2458759
3dream's hair again

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2456132

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=2586230 wow a 2006 one :-) so they have noticed... and peggy especially.  :lol:

There have been others but they must have been deleted or not coming up in the search.
I think some of the abuse of some paysites has made the Poser community a little bit sour.

I love your avatar. Connie is so cute.  :D

Why, thank you, torque!  :) I would have liked something more piratey, but I just couldn't be bothered to do myself a new one ;)

Ah, nothing like watching two groups of faffy artiste types fight. I have to wonder why they expect anyone to actually buy their crappy Poser meshes when they bitch about them even when no profit is being made from it, like on MTS2. What the hell is it good for if you can't use it for anything?

Yes, but I've been de-binning them b/c I don't want a 4,000 poly hair to randomly spawn on townie fugs, and now I have to re-do the families for every single hair colour to have it work properly. Pisses me off.

I always keep the greys anyway, just in case I delete the grey placeholder by accident. I'm anal that way.

And why'd like 10 pages go poof from that S2C thread?

Because discordkitty split it into two topics.

See that exnem (pronounced enema) has weighed in about paysites, and how he needs a well paying job to feed the chilluns?

http://forums.sims2community.com/showthread.php?t=30984&page=22&pp=25

and then delphy responded with a huuuuge post...my favorite part is the fact that delphy is basically telling him off, but doing it politely lol
exnem got all his "facts" from lyric who likes to exaggerate statistics (among other things) so delphy had to correct him and tell him his "source" is full of shit :)

Wow. Never thought I'd catch myself saying this, but....Go Delphy!

It's really funny how Delphy and the mods views have shifted since the Witch was axed. And I agree with BlueSoup....that was one of his best posts ever.

I'm actually enjoying seeing Delphy expressing his views as a member, and not much as an admin (excluding when exnem or whatever attacked MTS2). I think it's unbelievable how that thread changed so many people's opinions and, especially, how we all could see what an ass exnem is. He just keeps digging himself deeper and deeper.

sounds like LL has been stirring the bucket,  exnem is under her spell

Exnem has always been a gigantic ass - anyone remember his former hissy fits and overly dramatic farewells?  :roll:

All too well. I think I even remember the first one where he whined to the heavens about MEAN PEOPLE saying MEAN THINGS about his stuff, whinecry.

In the past Delphy was an inspiration, fighting the evil of TSR. Then he was labeled a sick perve worthy of only disdain. Later he seemed to support paysites, which only made it worse.
Now he seems to be worthy of admiration again.
I am confused, but this is not unusual.
Screw it all, GO DELPHY!

Sigh, I have lots of problems with Delphy, but he is on the right side at the moment *cough go delphy cough*

Horribly off-topic:

Ahh Renatus, you've got me addicted to that story there in your sig. I've been reading it for almost two days straight and I can't seem to stop. D:

....Carry on. *ahem* Exnem's a jerk.

Well, Delphy's perversions have really been a constant throughout the entire thing, so we can ignore this. In the beginning, MTS2 was pretty anti-paysite. However, at some point, Delphy decided to take up the "creators' rights" thing (which I personally don't believe in, other than the right to remain silent, which more of them should exercise). This, of course, created a kind of internal conflict, in which one can't really support "creators' rights" without effectively defending paysites. Now, of course, evidence is being dug up that paysites aren't creators at all, and are, in fact, stealing from creators, which then puts them on the wrong side of both pointy things now.

Pointy things are good. They make law and order possible.

Edit: Whether Delphy knows it or not, he has more power of persuasion than any other non Maxis or paysite whore. If the sheep seek to follow a leader, he seems to be the one who may be able to do the most good.

I think he definately knows it and gets off on it.

eh, i think he's just sccceeerrreed someone from this fence will do the mighty thing and inform all the kiddies about dear old Mr. Roger and give the link about the article that says it all about him.  so he really couldn't offend us or else...what we're seeing about Delphy is not a noble change of heart, it's purely for self-protection.  for all the newbies who don't bother with reading older threads but are curious about what we're talking about, pm me and i'll give you the link that will make you burn your account in Delphy's forum.  btw, anyone who has a direct link of him with MATY, where he tried to squirrel his ass out of his child pornography conviction?  does the thread still exists?

And in this corner, we have a newcomer to the fight....DameSporkalot!

It gets going again, but it appears she has no clue.  This is rather fun. :P

Yeah...my favourite line has to be:

"Ever heard of something called the Geneva convention?"

In response to nothing related to the Geneva convention.

LOVE IT!  :lol:  More please!

Lol that thread IS some damn good reading, eh?

"It's called an analogy, BlueSoup."

This girl is so dense.

Because bottling water for profit is CLEARLY the same as selling Sims content. You know, she's right. Bottling water takes so much effort, time and CREATIVITY!

And, also, ALL analogies are good and therefore right. There is NO such thing as a bad analogy.

Yea so true, coming up with those labels....

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/DiamondX6110/uwater.jpg)

hard, hard task!! Especially cuz me being the idiot that I ammm I actually bought this crappy ass water. My damn tap water tastes MUCH better. Just like paying for crappy Sims content and being an unsatisfied customer...... Lol.

VICTOLY IS MINE!

Oh, pffft. Labels?

Nothing compared to the person who had the imagination and genius to CREATE water!  :lol: Maxed out Creativity points!

So basically, exnem tried to rally supporters for his so-called arguements, warned them that evil people would twist their words - READ: pick apart the weak arguments because they actually put thought into their own, and it didn't work.

What a total dumbass!

If you're going to rally a posse, you'd better make damn well sure your pimp hand is strong!

Well her sig does say "We miss you Lyric!!!"  So if you lost to that idiot, of all people, I'm afraid we'd have to fire you.  Out of a cannon.  Into the Sun.

Also, straight up saying "Be less stupid!" made me lol.

Is exnem female??

No.

I always wondered why llama's were associated with sims... after seeing this picture it seems to explain it all.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37977911/
:lol: the drama llama

That llama is damn creepy!  :shock:

LOL I have no idea what her sig says, I have them turned off.  but thanks for the vote of confidence. :P

So who is the "her" whose sig says we miss lyric?  Oh dear I must be getting very old and confused or something - good thing I'm not trying to spearhead the poser campaign!

DameSporkalot's signature says that.

aha so she was sent by lyric after exnem failed, obviously.

lyric is on the site all the time, I guess she just doesn't have the balls to speak up for herself and has to send her minions in for her.

I'm amused by that. She was warned. She said to Lyric and Exnem "Don't worry, I'll leap in a save you with my clever words!" and they said "Oh goodness, oh gracious, my my no, don't post there, or anywhere but here, those wicked people will TWIST your words, save yourself, SAVE YOURSELF!!!!11" and she said "Have no fear, for you, I will brave the wolves who might disagree with my words!"

And off she boldly strode, spork and book of unrelated analogies in hand...

She doesn't have the balls without the almighty ban stick to back her up.

I thought it was Pythons obsession with Llamas actually.  Anyone who's ever watched Holy Grail or any other Python sketch knows they have an obsession with llamas.

There's been a Llama obsession with Maxis since at least Sim City...

Maybe Maxis is really just Monty Python.

Come on, it would explain a lot.

Oh I agree, I mean either that or a bunch of Nerdy guys sitting around talking about the velocity of swallows  :mrgreen:

I did see a Holy Hand Grenade on MTS2 once. I had a lol.

I think the llama thing in computer games goes back even before Sim City.

I just checked with my husband, who told me at the C-64 era there was this programmer called Jeff Minter (way back when games were programmed and designed by a single person instead of  a horde of programmers and designers and whatnot) who was obsessed with llamas. His games were very original and popular and sorta weird (sheep in space) and often had llamas in them. He had a big beard, and wore sweaters with llamas on them. He got quite a lot of money from his games, and guess what he bought?

That's right, a llama.

He was a big fan of Monty Python, too, so maybe his love of llamas stems from that.

I actually like Fiji water. Not that I buy it normally, but it does taste better in some odd way...

It's a documented fact that Monty Python jokes are popular at Maxis.

Yeah, what's up with that?  I think they put a little bit of meth in it.

Chirst on a cracker, I didn't know they botted Fiji water in my town.

I actually got the water analogy. Water is something that you can get for free, and SHOULD get for free, just like CC; yet those greedy bitches make you pay for decent water. Lucky thing all the best CC is free, eh? ^_^

What I do not understand, is why bottled water is more expensive than gasoline. People rant about the evil oil companies gouging us, but happily pay more per gallon for stuff that occurs naturally. Sheep.

Cuz you don't need water in the same amounts, so unlike w/ gas, you don't have to pay $40 every couple of days for water...

Well, I think that you're mostly paying for the container.

You can go get distilled or plain osmosis filtered water at my local grocery store for about $.29 a gallon, if you have your own gallon bottle.  Definitely cheaper than gasoline.

But I don't get why people buy bottled water except when they're trapped somewhere on a hot day.  Osmosis filters are so much cheaper in the long run, for your household use.

this an only fools and horses episode http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/onlyfools/christmas/1992.shtml
The paysites will be swarming with this idea!  :lol:

have you notice all the different types of water there are to: mineral, springs, drinking, distilled. They tell us their drinking water is safer than tap water. Well if I die it was the tap water in the green hot tea.

I recently moved back to a country with clean water, and am thrilled to be able to drink tap water again.  I actually sort of enjoyed hauling home my bottles of drinking water from the community spring, though.  It tasted sort of amazing.  Normal tap water was scary, though.  So I have a new appreciation of bottled water.  Here, though, you're paying for the image, not the privelege of drinking good water.

Boiled water kills whatever nastiness may be swimming in there.

I remember the great Dasani scandal here a couple of years ago...that amused me.

That was the so called spring water from Coca Cola right? Loved it how it turned out to be nothing but bottle tap water (which I bet most bottled water is really).

I probably would have been amused by it except that my father still takes the piss out of me about the time he came to pick me up in Newcastle early one Sunday morning after a night of heavy drinking and I had bought a bottle of it from the only open shop I could find. He won't stop telling people about what an idiot I am. Of course he knows that I was hungover and it was the only bottled water that they sold, but he loves to tell people that my expensive university education was a waste of money.

My son bought a bottle of water from the local shop, claiming how much nicer it was.  While he wasn't looking, I tipped the water down the sink, and refilled with tap water.  He didn't notice the difference.

:lol:

Surely you've done something more inpressive whilst drunk then buy a bottle of tap water?! Your dad needs to embrass you with something worse than that!

Oh yes, but nothing that my dad knows about. The last embarrassing drunken escapade began with falling over in the street, escalated to offering my friend sex, moved on to trashing his bedroom and pouring a glass of water in his underwear drawer and then passing out naked, and finished with me waking up the next morning and vomiting in his dress shoes. I had thought my days of being a drunken arsehole were over but I underestimated the lure of working men's club drink prices.

It because of nights like that that I've stopped drinking. That and alcohol poisoning twice in one month...

Man, the most exciting thing I did while drunk (that I would not have done while sober), was kiss another girl. And it was incredibly boring. Bah.

I kissed a girl while drunk too.  And you're right, it wasn't exciting at all.  It was like kissing a guy, except, you know...not.

I'm a boring drunk. I just get slightly more loud, slightly more obnoxious, and slightly more clumsy.

I have a whole catalogue of embarrassing/bad/boring/stupid sexual stuff done while drunk, mostly in my teens, kissing a girl sadly not being the most embarrassing/bad/boring or stupid thing by far. Take heed younger people reading this, it is not fun when you are a fairly sensible adult to be known to a lot of people as the girl who did 'insert embarrassing things here' when she was 16. If you do these things, make sure people don't find out.

Heh, just realised how dodgy 'insert embarrassing things here' might look.

All my scars have happened while I was drunk...mostly on my hands....*peers at the latest, biggest one* and I never have any idea how I got them.

I've got a few on my knees that remain a mystery to me. Two of my friends went out in Oxford one night and when they woke up in the first one's room the next morning the second had a huge gash on his face, the room was sprayed with blood and the door was covered in bloody hand prints. He still has a big scar and neither of them has any idea what happened. Being a student as well as naturally scruffy the first one thought this was great and never cleaned the blood up. It must have made a great conversation piece when he took girls back to it.

At my 20th birthday party, it being a student house, we decided to have a mighty bonfire, wherin we burned the garden shed (the tarred roof of it made the flames go higher than the house), and a trellis which was chopped down using a bat'leth...then one of my friends decided to use this same bat'leth as a bottle opener, almost cut his hand off in the process, then trailed blood all through the house. And we'd been chucking all the bottles from our drinks into the bonfire, so in the morning, there was a massive blob of melted glass fused to the ground in the middle of the garden, which my boyfriend suitably cut his hands up on too, adding to the bloodfest.

....we didnt get much of the deposit back, on that house...>.>

Fantastic. I'm so jealous, the only thing I've ever set on fire at a party was my ex-boyfriend.

You know that part of Back to the Future where Michael J. Fox's mom kisses him, then backs off because it's like kissing her brother? It was kinda like that.

I never saw that movie, but momma-kissing?  Eeeuuuwwww.

There is someone on the planet who never saw Back to the Future? :shock:

Actually, in retrospect, it wasn't nearly that gross. More like that song "I Kissed a Girl", in which she says, "it was just like kissing me". Kissing yourself is BORING.

It wasn't Oedipal, Blue have no fear. He was in the past, when his mother was a teenager, and obviously, she didn't know that he was her son, and found herself with an odd fondness for him, which freaked him out no end, then she kissed him, and declared that it was weird, like, kissing your brother, or something...

Also, I like kissing girls. They're softer than boys...<3

I kissed sisters at the party I went to for New Year. Do I get extra points for that?

Ugh. The worst (?) I did when drunk was hunting a Liverpool guy shouting "Kiss me please!".

They sure are. Bleah.

Reminds me of a girl I used to know who almost got run over by a car, set herself on fire and threw up in the toilet, in the sink, on the bathroom floor and in the washing machine before passing out, and it all happened before midnight.

It was the same night we got mistaken for satanists.

Oh, how I miss being young and stupid. :P

That's some good time management. Did she set herself on fire intentionally?   Two of my friends used to spray bits of their body hair with cheap deodorant and the set it alight to see who would go the furthest. Craig though he'd won once when he burned off his pubic hair, but then Ross countered with setting the hair on his head on fire and took the crown of Stupidest Friend, which he held for quite a long time. I love my friends, someone has to.

My stupidest friend asked me "will you give me five bucks if i spray this perfume in my eyes?" i said no, and than he sprayed it in his eyes anyway.
later, when his eyes were red and streaming tears and i was laughing my ass off at him, he goes, eyes blood red and puffy, "i never really sprayed it in my eyes anyway"

 

Nah. If you have lots of hairspray in your long hair it's not a good idea to light your fag from a candle flame.  Mind you, she was so drunk she didn't realise why everyone suddenly rushed forward and started slapping her hair.

And the next day she cleaned the mess in the bathroom by herself despite her killer hangover.


 :lol:
OMG! I don't even want to know what you had to do after that to earn the title...

It involved a bottle of Budweiser and a lot of E45 cream...

I dont know how there is even needs to be discussions about this, its illegal plain and simple. These paysite owners can very much indeed be sued or even sent to jail if EA ever enforced its own policy.

please stay on topic... can't you see this thread has been hijacked and is currently discussing drunk stories and same sex kissing?!

Geeze.

My friend got drunk at a party, then climbed onto the roof of the house and proceeded to puke his guts out. Needless to say, the house-owner proceeded to throw full cans at his head.

Ah, funtimes.

Well thing is..... Once I got drunk and kissed this weirdo (I THINK it was a lady) named Carla Niven and she convinced me in my drunken state to sub to her site..... And that's why *I* hate paysites!!

*slaps TreasureChest*

...You deserved that.

Thank you. I needed that.  :lol:

:roll:
I said I didn't want to know... Now I have all these disgusting scenarios in my head. :?

And since setting your hair on fire is pretty stupid, the worst scenario probably is closest to the truth.  

I'm hoping he mixed those two and ingested them. If he did something else, I  really don't want to know. :)

The worst thing I did while drinking was have sex with a young airman and get pregnant  :shock:  The pregnant thing ended up well though, have a lovely son so I guess it wasn't that bad after all  :lol:  
I tend to become very friendly and flirt with everyone when drinking, tequilla on the other hand is a guarantee that I will be barfing up my toenails by the end of the night.

I once had an interesting experience with a bottle of Southern Comfort and a swimming pool....
Nowhere near as bad as my flatmate who tried to drink toilet bleach, though.

I think I was enjoying the paysite hatefest more than what this thread has turned into  :(

Well this is the guy who in Sixth Form came into a History class one day dressed as a vicar, dropped his trousers and dry humped the back of the teacher's (occupied) chair while yelling 'I'm going to baptise you!', so it's safe to assume the worst. He's now a teacher.

You guys all need to visit retardoland

Sad to say but I don't think that's the first time I've heard that  :P

Visit Retardoland!

*limited time offer*
a FREE miss bree for everybody!

Heh. I've been over here more for the last couple of days because I can't think of anything to say over there that isn't 'Stop posting!'

Pirates are always getting drunk and having sex in addition to re-claiming booty, so it seems all normal here.  As for me, i dont drink and still end up in weird or crazy situations as those that do drink, so no stories from me heh.

My best drinking story involved me picking a fight at a sport party (on that was being hosted and attended by athletes) with a girl who lived on my floor in our university dorms.  I felt like she didn't have a right to be there because she was
1. annoying
2. not an athlete

So anyway I threw my beer in her face, her friend threw her beer in my face, and I threw the rest of my beer in the friends face.  I was carried out of the room by a good friend of mine, a hammer thrower, and then I ended up climbing out of the party through the kitchen window (the house was so packed I couldn't get to the door).  
The night ended with those girls coming to me in my boyfriends room trying to pick a fight (my roommate ran to the room in her underwear to warn me).   Then we made a huge fuss in the halls, yelling (well, I was laughing) at each other... all on a floor that every RA in the 9 story building just happened to be having a meeting on... :)

So we all got a talking to, and a slap on the wrist.  

Of course, I have my barfing stories too, one of which was in Korea and involved some nasty ginsing rot water (no idea what it's called).... oh the horrible times.

[request]Calling CARLYMICHELLE, calling CARLYMICHELLE.

Please add the word 'derailed' to your thread title.  This will aid in lessening the confusion of members checking new posts, and forgetting that the discussion has now taken a detour.

Thankyou.

[/request]

Changed thread title. ;)

Wow, changed the title and it totally killed the thread.  Well, you know how pirates are.  A hijack is far more exciting than following the rules.  Sigh.

Yes, the excitement of rebellion is now lost forever...:(

Heeeheee.