PMBD

Well, it seems DL Mulsows is now a paysite - there's exclusive gifts for donations to boot.

For those of you not registered, or not bothered - the picture proof - http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/503/dlmulsowpaysiteah8.jpg (http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/503/dlmulsowpaysiteah8.jpg)

Right here for those of you who are registered: http://dlmulsowssim-antics.com/viewtopic.php?t=5169 (http://dlmulsowssim-antics.com/viewtopic.php?t=5169)

How does a site that freely uploads pay meshes become a paysite?  I am speechless.

Man oh man. She's always had questionable practices, and she's alienated a lot of people through inappropriate behavior, claiming others' work as her own, and all in all being a self-serving jerk. BUT: she always claimed to be a pirate, to hate paysites, to support the cause.

Now we have proof:


Think she'll notice that? ;) I'm sure she's been lurking around here, so she HAS to be expecting we'd call her on it. Unreal.

So I wasn't the only one who went  ???  I should complain though, I donated quite awhile ago I never got PMed a link for stuff that I don't want anyways  :'(

Nope not the only one.  I suppose the selfishness just knows no bounds, eh? And yeah, I'm going to err on the side of hypocritical twat here too.  :D

i agree with Hecubus she is a hypocritical twat why in the hell would it say free custom content if it's a pay site i hope she comes on here and gets flamed beyond belief and then throw the bitch in the brig. >:(

So, ripping off half the free community wasn't enough for alot of you guys to see she's not a little angel 'doing it to make the community truly free'. I bet there's still going to be people making excuses for her and telling free sites to pack their things and leave in favour of her bullshit.

Hmmmmm. So she's finally come out and proven that she is an ignorant, hypocritical twat, eh? And here we thought the age of miracles and wonders was over. Doesn't she get it that with rewarding like that, she has become what she claims to despise. She's no pirate, she's just a plain two-faced idiot... NOW can we use her for batting practise??

Whaddaya mean "finally"? Bwahahah.  :D
Watch out, guys, she's gonna be here soon telling you "it's all your fault anyway."

Anyways, is she releasing them for everyone, or is it just for those who donated?

Nope, Nouk, just for those who donated...but there are pics available for those who don't get them

Oh well, add her to the paysite list. I wonder if all those people who are creating for the site even know what's up.

Shakes head in disbelief  >:(

Is it just me?  Or does the scarf that she's selling (err.. gifting..?) look an aweful lot like Sizza's free scarf mesh on MTS2??
Unfortunately I don't have a link right now, but i'm sure someone knows what the hell i'm talking about...

WTF???  :o   :o    :o

I think you're right FreeShitOnly. I think the outfit is also by Sizz.

Here are the links:

http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=269745

http://www.modthesims2.com/member/showthread.php?t=275054

Sizz clearly states "- Free only. Do not upload mesh or recolors to a paysite."

Well I guess she's finally managed to alienate every segment of the Sims Community. I used to think that she was at least a free creator. Guess she's not anymore.

If that is Sizz's mesh, that's probably why the credit is only included with the items themselves, and it's not on the page.  She fucking knows what she's doing.  ::)

I don't have the slightest interest in the items, but I hope someone has them so they can be posted over here.

She pulled an OpenHouseJackass..
Just wrong..

Hec, your banner has a typo.

She's a moron.  I can't imagine anyone will support this move.  Another site whose stuff I'm looking forward to seeing in the booty.

See, now this makes me mad, as I'm pretty sure before I said that I didn't really understand all of the problem with her, that she was nice to me, etc. now I can say I feel like the dumb for defending her site, that, at the very least was free.  She even openly supported including content for all users, paysite or not.  Well, since she openly supports including content, even if it is a paysite, and has said out loud that she thinks people should be able to use things regardless of who made them... well, then she should consider it a compliment to have her things end up in the booty. 

I guess you know, if she had made that set and pm'd it to everyone that donated, on the sly, then I would think it's nice.  Or at least an attempt to say thanks, and not make the money off of her "friends and family".  or whatever tag line she puts as what kind of a site she has.   >:(

Meh. wonder if she'd give it to me.  I'm super nice and all... 

Well that's really low - that she's selling Sizza's mesh. 


I agree here. She's a real rotten bastard. 

 :o I'm usually a lurker but, God that pisses me off, how can she say that she's a pirate and supports free sites then just to go around and create a "donation gift"  (and just because you put donation in front of it doesn't make it any better) Did she think no one was going to notice? I didn't think that she was so bad at first even throughout the whole "forgetting" to give credit thing. But I'm seeing her true colors now and I can't say that I like it too much...  :(

p.s. ---sizz's was much better in my opinion and it's free!  :)

Now don't kill me here, but I was thinking:

Is this donation set only for people who HAVE donated already, or is s/h/it trying to lure in more monies?

Maybe s/h/it is just thanking the people who have donated in an unusual way? Like it's a gift or something.

Possibly, if it had been given in private, that would be a valid argument.  However, posting about it is basically advertising a payfile.  That's how this whole mess started.  I know that the slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy, but I don't think that should COUNT if we watched it happen the same way before in identical cases!

It's for people who HAVE donated already. 

I can see both sides of it, but it really is heading down that slippery slope.  I too, am averse to the "advertising", although she would probably say it's so people like rome_raven can let her know they didn't get it.

I get the impression that it's meant as a genuine thank you, but it does fall under the heading of donation gift, so...

I just don't like anyone having a sig that has the words " tip jar" in it.
Don't ask me why.  :P

It seems it is for people who have already donated, although can also act as a lure to get more people to donate. If she wished to thank her members for donating, then why not offer up the 'gift' as a public thing? - To thank the people who have donated, the creators at the site who make it what it is, the members who make it nice to be there, and everyone who supports it? There is no way that she can possibly say that this is the best or only route she could have taken. Her using a mesh by Sizz just worsens this bad move.

Now it just rather looks like she is undermining all that she has previously argued, and her being a 'pirate' was merely to destribute and use pay meshes without permission/regarding policy, like her use of free meshes. This is an incredibly bad and silly move of her and I would hope she takes this back and removes this, but knowing DL, she will not

I'm kinda surprised at this reaction - there really is no excuse for DL - LyricLee uses the booty too - that didn't get her any sympathy.  

It's clear that the thread was made April 5, and it's subject is "Donation Gift for April" (implying it's just the first one), it's an exclusive gift for downloaders, advertised in it's own forum, with a locked thread.  How you can split hairs and say that it's for people who have already donated - you know just like Simslices' files, just like Pronup Sims, just like many other paysites - I'll never know.

All the files are for people who have "already donated" - those who donated may not have thought that they were supporting a paysite, granted - they have no part in this. But files in exchange for money, no matter how it is couched, are still pay files.  

The idea that she wants to send it to everyone - laughable - she could have put it up for download in that very thread - she didn't.  And if she doesn't know who donated, in order to PM them the gift, then who bloody well would?

Never before have I seen such mealy mouth response to the whole thing.  :-\ It's odious, to be honest - your mottos should be "Pirate Sometimes depending on how much I like you". Should put up a payfile myself at this rate, choose the right words, and you suckers will all give me money.  :-[

Rather agree with Calalily, and that means no offense to others. But the response to this, is, frankly, rather odd.

There would usually be an uproar and up in arms cry over this. Understandable people being in disbelief (am rather myself), and unsure what to make of it, but she has items which require you to pay to get them - that is pay.

She has other options -many many other options if she wishes to thank other members- so if that is the pure reason why, then she should think about that and change, or let someone talk some sense into her. If anyone wants to try then go ahead


Put a pay file up and I will tell you to piss off instantly dear  :-*  ;) No worries on that heh

That's why you have Pirate as a title - and I am your wench.  :P

I'm not really sure how most of you here can be surprised. Most here thought she was the devil spawn or something anyway. I guess she thought that she was different. That would be like Pes suddenly putting up a pay mod and saying "Well, all the others are free!" >.> Pitchforks to your right, folks. You break it, you buy it.

well, jess, I get what you are saying, but the problem is is that it says right there at the site: Gift for April, and then under that it says, a special gift for those that financially help keep the site up and running.  I give you this if you give me money.  If it was a thank you she could be like hey, I sent out this thank you gift to the donators, if you didn't get yours, or just want it, here:  and then put up the link.  Recognize you made it as a thank you, but everyone can still have it.  not pay money for this.   

You guys are right, I think the wording got to me. It DOES seem like a gift, but then again...

So, do you think s/h/it will make another one for next month? Or turn into a full on paysite?

Yep - just like all the other paysites.

If taking free creators stuff against their will, then telling them to stfu and she will not treat them differently from any scamming paysite wasn't enough to make people lift an eyebrow, then becoming a full blown paysite will not make people lift an eyebrow either. There will always be an excuse for dear old DLMuslow who is so misunderstood and who's fault it never is, who's so nice and didn't mean to do it, who is not lying but just makes little mistakes, who all these people seem to dislike without any reason and they're all just assholes who have something against her, who is even a pioneer instead of a bastard for teaching those 'diva's' a lesson, who does it for the sake of the community and not for her own convenience, etc etc etc.

Now if I upload my first pay hairmesh, there is not a person on this forum who will not want to strangle me for being a dirt scamming scumbag and a liar. While I have not taken stuff from people against their will, not even from the paysites. Me and a whole lot of other free creators. But they would all be butchered on these boards.

What about DLMuslow´s nature is so attractive that she can basically walk around the community abusing everyone who doesn't comply to exactly what she wants, and hardly anyone will speak up or even scratch their heads thinking something might be wrong? If it were just the words 'free community' then that problem would be solved the moment she put up a payset.
But no. So what is so attractive about that antisocial selfish manipulative woman that people jump in and make excuses for her, currently a paysite owner? Why is she treated better than even friggin Numenor, who's never been known to spout lies and treat people like shit, and has one payfile up?

well, nouk, all I can figure is that she seems so different on her own site, you know?  like real nice... and has continually said over there how things should be free and everyone should be able to share, etc. etc.  She has also managed to keep drama to a minimum, on her own site, so really unless people go to other places, they don't really even know what all is going on.  Even if they do, they are like, really, I don't even remember that happening there.  Like I said, that last time there was a problem, I didn't really know what was going on, but she'd been nice to me.  I believe all the niceness in the world doesn't matter much though, if you are going to do things like this.  Nouk, if you made a payfile, I'd be horrified, and wonder if there was some sort of prankster day I didn't know about.  Seriously, I think more people would wonder if you'd been hacked, before the pitchforks and torches came out.  I know that DL makes things, I've seen them.  In the same way though, a lot of her site is powered by the creativity of others. 

I guess my point is if you are going to have a website, and espouse the beliefs of creativity and sharing, and community, doing stuff like putting up a donation file is a slap in the face to anyone that ever tried to defend the things you did before.  It is sneaky and wrong.  And, you mentioned numenor:  Really, if anyone had a grey area that was as close to a real actual gift file, it was him.  She may have put all over the place I've put this here for love and thanks, but it also says, it is "love and thanks" for those that paid me.  Since it says for april, everyone can assume that if you donate now, you can have it, and you know, get ready for next month, when you can donate for the may file.  It may just be one file now, but the wording of the whole thing leads me to believe, give it a few months, and the amount of "donation" files will increase greatly. 

My reason for standing up for her in the past was because she was a free creator, and I agreed with what she espoused as her principles. I  never denied that she was a bitch, and she proved that again and again. Now she is a paysite-owning, hypocritical bitch. It's kind of a relief. Since obviously she doesn't really believe in free content for all, I don't have to grudgingly accept her as a comrade in arms. People do despise her, they have for quite some time. She has now finally lived up to everything I've ever heard about her.

Nouk or Calalily: I think people would be truly shocked if you put up pay items. I think it would take time to bring out the pitchforks. Remember how we discussed Numenor? The consensus was that it was a shame, but to be fair we had to include his item in the booty. No one has any real animosity towards him, no pitchforks out for him. We rarely discuss the less greedy paysite owners, the small potatoes. This move by DL is such a shock. It proves she wasn't motivated by principle in the slightest.

Nouk, I cannot believe you're bringing up the Numenor thing. That was a simple case of policy: he has a pay item, it was donated to us, we put it in the booty. The same will happen for DLM, when we get her pay crap.

I know you have a long-standing distaste for her; so do I. I do think she's underhanded and stupid. But until she had a pay item, it was not strictly the pervue of PMBD to deal with the issue of creator's rights - which is why I never commented on that thread. Now that she's completely stepped into the paysite thing, she's fair game.

Well if I would look at this Nouk person screaming at paysite owners for allmost 2 years and then putting up a payfile, I would have not bothered with a pitchfork, I'd gone with the napalm. But I'm always bigmouthed and loud, so that might just be me, heheh.

As for DLMuslow, she has a sheltered community of her own thanks to her deleting and banning, so she probably couldn't care less. If the people on her boards aren't like: FAIL it's probably because they're not all against paysites. Good for them, but the excuse she used to have payfiles on her site was that she was a pirate, the excuse she used for ripping off free creators is that they were the ones being too restrictive and she did it for a free community, and the excuse for her payfile is, who knows. What's clear though, she just uses community after community, and whenever their views come in handy for defending what she wants, she will use it.

Should we go for the napalm and let the Animal Army over at insim know about this? They really hate DL over there already. She is selling Sizz meshes and recolors against his/her wishes. There's also no credit on the picture page. That's the only time I get involved in this sort of thing, when someone sells someone else's free stuff.

Does anyone know how to contact Sizz besides MTS2?  Has anyone else tried to contact Sizz?
And whoever said the original looks much better than the recolor is my newest drinking buddy.
I couldn't agree more...

Numenors payfile should be in there ofcourse. It's a payfile, simple as that.

To me you're fair game for critizism (and bootyfying) when you're ripping off a free community, wether it be through payfiles or by things DL does. Numenor's payfile being in the booty to me is not the same as mistreating him personally, however people are known not ot be able to seperate the creator from the payfile. For DL Muslow, this is done alot (she's nice, etc.) and it seems that Numenor was frowned upon alot more (with Numenor being an overall nice guy) than DL is with her payfile (being a bastard to many without a good reason except satisfying what she wanted at the moment). What I'm saying here is: someone who had alot more value for the free community is not given special treatment(= good), but someone who's behaviour was not appreciated in the community and did not really add anything special is somehow worth defending (or only few people dare to say anything for one reason or another) even though it's a payfile (= weird).
Or is this all bullshit and were all those people running in to defend her in those older threads just sent over there to help out?

Noukie,
I'm going to be brutally honest here.
Alot of people felt you were being a drama queen about the other thread you posted, because you said yourself that she obeyed your TOU, just that YOU had forgotten to update it.
Therefore she couldn't be at fault, because it was your mistake.

I agree with that statement as well. If you have a TOU somewhere, it's your responsibility to update it, not another persons to ask.

Okay, everyone beat Ry now.

On this subject, she's shown her spots blatantly. She can't use the excuse of an outdated TOU. *although I agree with what I said, I do still think she used it to cover her ass.*
This time, she's shown obvious hypocrisy and disrespect for views she claimed as her own. NOW, it's time to throw stones.
Think Shirley Jackson's, "The Lottery."  :D

BTW, Noukie. Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I don't like ya. You do alot for the pirate cause, I just think you were too close to see reasonably on that last fuck up of DL's. If you decide to beat me, I'd like to request whips and chains, please....lol. And maybe a wet noodle or two. ;D

Still disgusts me though. I'm all for no special treatment, no matter who's on the receiving end.  I won't hoist a petard for others' personal reasons, and I won't kowtow for others' personal reasons.  The true test of any kind of ethical base for one's decision is when that decision is tested - Numenor's tested it (as in were we really about paysites, or just who we didn't like) and now DL is the test. Anyone who sees this as fine isn't really here to stop paysites - they're just here because they like snarking/free paysite stuff - and shouldn't joke about being a pirate - they're in it for what's in it for them, pure and simple.  


People like Atwa too - this doesn't mean that she's any better.  I'm sure Tom Ass is nice to his girl/boyfriend/wife/Atwa - that doesn't mean that he gets off scot free.  This is the catchcry of all paysites - "share (with me), help (me), provide stuff (for me/ for me to sell) - sweet as pie, while raking in all the money they can get their grubby little hands on.    


And no one felt sympathy for the paysites that tried to sell Enayla's stuff, now did they?

Ry, I'm going to be brutally honest here.
You did not read. The problem was, (and is time and time again), the way she handeled the situation when I told her I didn't allow the use of textures on other meshes. Shall I tell you? - deletion of comment, bannings, condesending emails, basically STFU, being a victim in public while telling me on msn that she would do whatever she wanted with any sims2 custom content, disprooving that she even gave a crap about anyone's TOS.

The obnoxious behaviour towards creator has always been te problem, and it was no different with Helga, who's policy was perfectly clear at the time. Wait, I forgot Kathy, Bloom and some others from the Insim crowd, that all happened before I even heard of the chick. This was all discussed in the same thread. You could have had it proven to you that her intent was probably not as innocent as you thought, especially after reading how she handled it.

One creator forgetting to update a TOS and then a dozen others who didn't but where still ignored? Hmm... what on earth did you need that time, to see what was going on?

Then if you find out the creator made a mistake and you are not actually allowed, you should be responsible enough to handle it where both parties would be happy. Would she have said: "Yo, your TOS is not up to date and I used that, so can I use it anyway?" I would not have been a pain in the ass. But all I got was: "I'll do whatever I want, your TOS was wrong, and EA says I can do it." plus deletion of my message and bannings.

I'm not ruining a perfect silky skin like yours!

That's never the case sweets, if we can't discuss things without becoming enemies, how the hell would we function in real life :D
*touches inapropriately*

There will be another for next month - the fact that the title of the thread is called "Donator Gift - April 2008" hints that there will be more in the future, or even one every month. We shall just have to see how low she wishes to sink on this

...Also, it is to be noted that on that thread, it does say that the pictures were taken by Simenroute..so did he make them? Anyone know anything about him? Believe he was anti pay hrm

*If* this is to thank donators after each month, then why not do what WNF do and release a public thank you gift after each months amount is met?!

Her previous scraps with creators have little to do this. Unpleasant as they are, this is a completely different thing so bringing past stuff up is not particularly valid. Focus on this current situation yes Nouk I am talking to you *spanks*

Sizz is Korean, also a "she". I don't know how easy it is for her to communicate in English. I'd hate to have her get all upset and deal with DL on her own. What about the Animal Army instead? I'd like to see them go after her.

Well, I just kind of decided that since there have been times in the past that she's said she's misunderstood something, or whatever else has happened, perhaps she'd be willing to allot that she didn't see it as a paysite, or something, and release it?  I messaged her.  I figure worse thing that can happen is she bans me. 

Meh. 

Good idea. If she bans, that rather says it all. Let us know what response you get! Or if you can talk sense into her heh

Oh well, I'm sure the other paysites will be happy to know they have a new excuse.  ::) They can "misunderstand" what is a paysite - while selling shit.  Rose uses that all the time - let's just stop calling her a paysite until she gets it, eh?

Except that the reasoning behind all that, was because she was doing it for the sake of a truely free community, and that she as a pirate would not distinguish between free and pay... this payitem proves otherwise. You don't think that is of importance? Don't spank me if you're not wearing the sexy thong I sent you.

I'll put my pitchfork down when she releases it to everyone. Until then, she runs a paysite.

No, that's not what I meant.  I meant that she could say she didn't see it as a paysite esque thing to do, and just make it free.  I figure it couldn't hurt to ask. 

And of course.  It is a very paysite thing to do, and it is a payfile.  And she could tell me to STFU and ban me.  Or she could (in theory) say oh, I didn't really think about that part of it.  Is free now...  maybe?

Works for me.

I think we should just wait to see what she does. Maybe it didn't occur to her that she is actually selling the content. Who knows.

I don't know. She was around here during our discussion about what is pay content... back in the dark ages of this site <grin>...I just don't know if she's really that oblivious or that arrogant, yanno?

<sigh>

It's up now at the Animal Army forum. They can do with it what they like.

My Email:
Hi,
Umm... First off, I don't want to cause trouble, or start a fight, but it was pointed out to me that you added a donation file to the site. I'm confused, isn't that kind of like how paysites start? I mean, you've always been so open and clear that things created in this game should be free for all to have, and that the spirit of this community should be one where there aren't any restrictions on what you should be able to have. Have I misunderstood this donation file? I mean the general wording has more of a thank you for helping to support the site, but the bottom line appears to me that it is still a file that you have to pay to have, and that bats around thoughts of Peggy and Rose and others to me. Are you planning on making it free at the end of April, for everyone, and then having a new one for may that you make free at the end of the month, etc. Like a These special people can have this first, cause they are great, or is it a payfile? I know for me, it leaves me confused, and a little distressed, since it doesn't square up with what I believe in, as far as the "great pay vs. free" debate. I'd been thinking on it, talking about it, and then I decided the easiest way to get to the truth of this matter would be to ask you directly. I've always thought of you as an honest and straightforward person, so I know that you'll tell me the truth of the matter.

Thanks in advance for clearing this up for me.

Courtney


The response:
Paysites offer each file to be paid for, maybe a few free items here and there. In essence, they "sell" their items.
Some sites, like Holy Simoly, are wholey free sites that offer a package of items for people that support their site.
In essence, an incentive for donations.

DLMulsow's is a free site forever.
This site is absolutely nothing like Peggy or Rose, they freak if you share a file and most of their things are for pay.
They also ban you for sharing and refuse the gifts to known file sharers.
And yes, this file is a special gift for those that have helped to support the site to get it "first" like you say.
It was sent to everyone who has donated in the last year, not just last month!!
There is a read me file included that says to share them if they want. LOL
I am all for sharing Sims 2 custom content.
These things will be offered for everyone soon.

I don't plan on making these types of gifts on a regular basis.

If you feel uncomfortable being here or don't agree with how things are run here, I am sorry to hear that.
I hope that I have answered your questions to your satisfaction and that you will pass it on to those you
have discussed it with or will point me in the direction of the area where I can address the situation if one has developed.

Sincerely,
DLMulsow

So she seems to be pushing the envelope here. I guess once she offers it to everyone she's not a paysite anymore.

Here's the translation of hre reply: "I say this isn't a pay item, so it's not. So fuck off."

Gah.

Ok so:
- free content on the net should be freely shared and modded at all times and by anyone without delay, doing anything else and it's NOT free!
- except this item of mine that's not actually mine and wich you can only get when money has been exchanged, if not, you will have to wait. This is however 100% free!

In other words: I only follow my own rules when it's convenient, I do what I want, but I won't let anyone else do what they want because different rules apply for their stuff.

That's how she's always been.  Are we really all that surprised?  Come on.

This is exactly the same argument offered again and again by paysite owners - they're not paysites - someone else is a paysite.  They don't sell enough, they don't lure enough.  I don't care what she says, it's a pay item, and if it's not intended to be an incentive for donations, why made a public thread about it, particularly if she's going to be releasing it soon anyway?


But not rome_raven apparently - and she's the only donor to come out on this thread. So that would make DL a liar as well.  And why post a public thread if you thought you'd sent it to everyone - paysite pure and simple.


After you've paid for them.  Rensim is still a paysite - even though they have fileshare friendly policies, so this makes no difference to her status as a paysite.


And she didn't make it free when you made her aware - she justified it - so it is an excuse to be a paysite now, isn't it?

Not particularly. However people still agree with her, and that's kinda surprising. :-X

I think people tend to go by how their own interactions have gone with said person over what what has transpired in the past, even with solid evidence of it.  It's how the people who run Holy Simoly are deemed "not as bad" compared to Peggy because they have had better interactions with people even while saying they have no intention to stop selling their items.  It makes me think of how they interview the neighbors of a killer and they just can't believe that guy was like that because he smiled and waved at them when he saw them in the mornings and seemed like a good guy.

And shes just popped online here

*waits for the 'you stupid pirates' post*

well, she asked where the confusion was, so she could smooth things out, so I told her it was here.  But I doubt there could be much smoothing here for this. 

I get what you are saying cala, and if she holds the file then no there is no excuse. 

yes, missangelica, I think that has a lot to do with it.  I know I'm quick to want to defend, or be confused, since she's been so nice to me.  All niceness aside of course, the issue at hand would be what kind of file is this, and what direction is the site headed. 

Even if she releases the file eventually, is it fair to use someone else's work to solicit donations?

I'm so sorry the wording of the post was misunderstood by some.
I don't need an excuse for anything, but for fair play here's your explaination.

DLMulsow's Sim~Antics birthday/anniversary is in April, hence April's gift.

These files were made for all the donators and supporters for our first year and
shared with them first to make them 'special'.

These files will be shared for everyone else on the birthday celebration
along with many other things made by me and the staff later this month.

The post was made public because I wanted to be sure everyone who donated recieved the items early as a special gift.

I'm sorry Rome_Raven did not receive the gift, she did not PM me as it is stated on the post if someone was missed.
Apparently, she doesn't want it anyway.

I didn't do it privately because I thought that would be skeevy.
"Here's something for you because you gave me money but keep it a secret." <---NOT

I don't plan on making these special gifts often,
perhaps once a year for our anniversary to show my supporters they are special.

And Red, if I needed to solicite donations for the site, there would be a post saying, "I need donations for the site."  ::)

Thank you to those who defended me and knew better.
Those of you who enjoy tearing others apart, looking for trouble where there is none and just general gossip like old women...well, you know what you can do.

Enjoy your day.

Just like all the other paysites.


Just like all the other paysites.


YOU.

Ah thank you for the clear calm explanation


You should add a sticky into the 'donators gift' section saying that - the lack of explanation caused mass confusion.

As these files are given to donators, they are considered pay. Even if you release them for free (XMsims does the same, they are in the booty, Liana does the same, she is in the booty).

Would urge you to rethink how you give out the next gift - give it out publicly to all, rather then just to donators then releasing for free. It makes it a pay item, which is not what you want

I appreciate your cander and civility.  I think I will add a better explaination to the post.  I had zero idea it was causing confusion until Courtney asked about it onsite in PM.

I was sure that a few weeks 'exclusivity' of the items wouldn't cause a stir, but apparently... get out your print screen...I was wrong.

Yeah but...

That still doesn't explain you giving out recolors of free meshes to donators only.  Sizz specifically states in her TOU on MTS2 that her meshes are not to be used for such purposes.

Did you get permission from Sizz to include her meshes in your celebratory event?
If not, perhaps you should consider giving out something else as your special gift for donators.

She already updated the post at her homesite so it says this in there now:


Thank you so much again, and know how special you are to me and Sim~Antics.
This is not a pay file or to solicit donations.
These items will be offered to EVERYONE on our special birthday celebration.


edit, cause I can't spell.

What is the date that this will be released to everyone?


Am unsure how you thought creating an item which in essence required an exchange of money would not cause a stir, and how using a mesh which states is not to be used anywhere near the terms 'pay' or 'donator' would not. Appears you may not have thought about this as much as needed..This was not a good move or idea.

Good on the adding an explaination bit - that certainly needs doing. When I first saw the section, was curious as to why there was not a sticky in there explaining. It certainly did not help your position.

Would be best if you reconsidered this entire thing, as it is pay (thus shall be in the booty), and is deeply hypoctrical against all that you have said before.

Take my advice for what it is worth

Doesn't matter - same applies to XM Sims as applies to DL Mulsow. Saying it's not a payfile doesn't make it not a payfile - that almost exactly makes sure *it is indeed a payfile*. Not to mention:


it's regularly going to be releasing payfiles.

I dont want to derail here, but what does xm do?  They make a file and give it to people that donate, and then give it to everyone later?  or they make a file and give it to donaters, and then say they are going to give it to everyone and then they dont?  (just wondering... I have only grabbed some misc. free things from xm sims, and never actually noticed the donation part so much.) 

They have donation sets that they release after a certain period - their site says "The donation gifts, which we already have, will be free released one or two monthly." But their stuff is in the booty: http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/inactive_sites/xmsims/ (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/inactive_sites/xmsims/) Notice their similar wording to DL Mulsow's wording: http://www.xmsims.com/sims2/ehtm/main/index02.htm (http://www.xmsims.com/sims2/ehtm/main/index02.htm)

You know lily, the files will be free before you can get them in the booty...unless one of the donators shares it with you first.

The items were offered as an early preview for those who donated already,
not to solicit new donations.  

This means these people get to use it first.
They can use it, see it, share it, eat it... whatever 'first'.
Not because they pay for it.  Therefore, no free/pay meshes were used for donations.
Preview...
Our birthday is on April 17.

I hope you will all enjoy the great stuff the staff has planned.

Perhaps I shouldn't have called it a donator's gift.  The items were specially recolored for those who donated this year.
I figured it sounded better than donation gift.
If it is done again in the future, I will be more careful to word it perhaps calling it a Donator's Preview

So, just to be completely clear:

If someone donates today, will they get the file?

Sorry DL, but if you're holding out the file for everyone except those who donated, no matter if it's 3 minutes or 12 days, it's a payfile. It goes against everything you said prior to this, and it just shows that you have different standards for others than for yourself. You could have just released it as a thank you for everyone and anyone who wanted to download it like everything else on your site. That works fine. Having downloads on your site is allready a gift in itself anyway. If you had rewarded downloaders with something non-EA no-one would have moaned about it, but you chose this, and you're not a stupid woman so that says alot.

Don't allow a paysite file with a 50 feet of my game, nor any free item from a paysite either. You are now, officially, a paysite.  So I will never have it shared with me - I *know* I can live without paysite crap, and do so happily unless there's a Bluesoup day, and then I'll see if your pay content is crappy enough. And I can *certainly* live without paysite crap available totally free elsewhere from the free creator who made it.  You and all paysite users make me sick.  >:(


And if all the donators have it, even those from a year ago, and you were intending to release it anyway, why preview it to them?  More paysite bullshit - after a year, I've heard it all. You don't fool me with your paysite bullshit.

Donator's Gift and Donation Gift means the same thing.  It's something you recolored solely because those people gave  you money.  Soliciting new donations is irrelevant.

All of Peggy's payfiles go by the name of "Donator's Gift" too.
Those Donators get to use it, see it, share it, eat it and whatever else, First.
Then, occassionaly, she'll release one for free..

I don't see how you and Peggy don't wear the same dress on this.

And yes, you may want to believe that the free mesh you recolored wasn't used for donations, but indeed it was, still is, and will continue to be until next Thursday when you decide to release it to the masses.

They may not have "paid" to receive that "gift".  But they paid you and in return you gave them a gift.

This is the exact same reason TreZillah's shit is in the booty too.

Okay, I actually understand what you guys are saying.

I didn't think a couple weeks would be the same as Peggy/other paysites releasing something a year later, etc.  But FreeShit and Nouk (yes, Nouk) only cleared it up for me.

FreeShitOnly:  "They may not have "paid" to receive that "gift".  But they paid you and in return you gave them a gift."

Nouk:  "Sorry DL, but if you're holding out the file for everyone except those who donated, no matter if it's 3 minutes or 12 days, it's a payfile. It goes against everything you said prior to this, and it just shows that you have different standards for others than for yourself. You could have just released it as a thank you for everyone and anyone who wanted to download it like everything else on your site. That works fine. Having downloads on your site is allready a gift in itself anyway. If you had rewarded downloaders with something non-EA no-one would have moaned about it, but you chose this, and you're not a stupid woman so that says alot."

I will release it within minutes.  Not because I'm skeert of you guys...you know that ain't so, but because I actually see the arguement in this.

That's good to hear BlackPearl!  I can understand the desire to show gratitude to those who financially support your site.  Perhasp a nice thank you note, or special tag or signature would be more appropriate? 

That's a real good move there, DL, especially for a strongeheaded girl like yourself :)  Don't forget to credit Sizz though.

Very good move.  I hope the birthday celebration is a smashing success.

I will most certainly be crediting all those whose stuff I used.

Sherry, that is a neat idea.  A special signature or avatar is a GREAT idea!  I wish I had thought of it sooner. 

You could also gather all the creators and make a huge download pack especially for that day. Well maybe not huge, but at least nice quality :P

OK then, I'm glad you're not going to be a paysite. *Puts pitchfork down*

Wait. Does this mean that the drama is over?

Wow. That was fast!

I'm glad it's ending so peacefully. It's rather refreshing.

Well there's no paysite to poke!

There's plenty more, don't worry.

Honestly, this is what I get for trying to do the right thing:


My response:

In an effort to do something kind for the people who donated to my site for our first year a preview gift was made for them to enjoy before everyone else did.

I have had discussion with others on the issue and realize it was not received in the manner it was meant.  So the 'gift' is open and for all who would like it now.

The site will no longer offer any items in this regard.

If you wish to discontinue your membership here, please do.  Your account will be deleted by the site software for inactivity over a period of time.

Sincerely,
Administration

This example is one reason I am so short with people at times.  It doesn't matter whether you try to do the right thing or not, some people just have to say words and stir shit.   ::)

well, I think with issues like this emotions will always run hot, and so long as you try to do the right thing, you can stand free and clear. 

In the end, you did the right thing. That is what matters most. Paysites that choose to go free should always be welcomed and supported, regardless of their past. IMO mind you. Cheers
Cat

Well I consider myself a friend of DL's and she is not pay not by a long shot. I love it there and I cannot stand by and watch all of you witch hunt her any longer without saying how she is a kind person and if you took a minute to get to know her you would see that. To Err Is Human, To Forgive Divine.

I don't think it was a witch hunt. And if it was, it's already been resolved. You're too late.

Well I'll just sneak an "I told ya so" in here. Not sure what it was that I told you but it's always fun to poke people.

Well I know I was late. I did not know anything about this till it was over but I just wanted it to be known that I consider DL a friend and love her site.

I get the impression that DL has a fairly polarising personality. You love her or hate her, or totally indifferent. No mildly like or dislike.

I should never leave. Every time I do, something like this happens. I missed all the drama!

Good to know there's no longer a paysite - although there is no confirmation from someone other than DL that this is the case.


That's what you get for trying to be a paysite.


Seriously, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.  

DL Mulsows resembled a paysite so much it was discussed at Sims Cave, here, and her own members left.  

As for witch hunt - that's just making out like she's a victim of some conspiracy - which she isn't.  Pity it wasn't somebody whose terms she violated, so that you could have actual traction on that stupid claim - but I've made it clear that if a site is free, there is no way for them to break my terms. Woe betide you and others like you who see this as a vendetta against DL - if only it had been Nouk who made this thread, eh, then you could hide her paysite behaviour behind a mask of "well Nouk hates her anyway".  I got sent the shot - so - your theory is fucked.  

The title of the fucking thread is surprising new paysite for gods sake - and that screenshot surprised me.  I don't care what sort of person she is - if she ran a paysite, she deserves to be called on her shit, and no amount of niceness would eradicate the fact that it was a paysite.


I am totally indifferent - I don't feel any particular way about DL - I just hate paysites - it's kinda the reason I come here.

I don't see it as a vendetta against her.  She admitted here, and at her site that it was a stupid thing to do.  She did say she meant for it to be released quickly, but of course, no one could know that at the time.  She apologized here, and there for any unfortunate thoughts or feelings that may have transpired.  So in this set of circumstance, I don't see it being a vendetta or a witch hunt.  If I recall correctly, even though Nouk (among others) aren't fond of her as a human, for things that have happened, they admitted that it was something the flew in the face of things she said she believed.  All that aside, I'm glad that it's been straightened out, there isn't a restricted file anymore, and there isn't any room for doubt or confusion, for this to happen again. 

ETA: and the file was released.  It was put up for download probably 5 minutes after she said here she was going to go put it up for download.  Everyone's mesh has been properly credited, with a link provided, and as I said up above, she issued an apology at her site to the members there for any discomfort that may have transpired, and I'm fairly sure that she apologized here as well. 

She's marmite!

DL, don't come in here as a victim 'for doing the right thing', it was to be expected that people would get angry. You fixed it, people not satisfied? Tough, there's still like 5000 left aint there.

And Dachs: yes we know you like DL alot, but you're going over the top with the pink glasses you are wearing. She did have a paysite for a few days and she did fix it for a reason. If she did nothing complain-worthy at all it would have made sense, but come on. You think someone like let's say, Calalilly is someone to complain over nothing?

Although the files have been released, she may want to remove the actual "Donator's Gift" section from the website.  I mean, I would..


Jussayin..

Heh.

i got the donation gift, but its funny since i never donated.