PMBD

AnnaMaria did the big mistake of announcing her new paysite at "my" place, Snooty Sims, so here's the link:

http://www.annamariasims2.com/ (http://www.annamariasims2.com/)

Maybe somebody wants to email her and try to make her give up on the donation sets, because she might just put them up because she doesn't know any better. With a bit of info on how to run a free site (cheaper hosting etc) she might see the light. If not we just got another site to raid.  8)

Damn these paysites are spreading, eh?

Who wants the honour of e-mailing her? I has supa sikkrit secondary hotmail account that I can use. My personal one gives away my full name.

The exact same layout, kind of, of LianaSims. They must be buddies

I checked out the site (then had to give my retinas a break - Jesus that's a bright purple!) and she has heaps of recolours of LianaSims' meshes.

i just registered to say there was a new paysite - annamarie is a chum of liana as i founf her site from the link on lianas home page! she helped set it up apparently!

She emailed me for a link exchange, but I had to tell her that I don't like to link to paysites or sites with donation sets. Also told her why and how my site stays online, and if she needs help she can contact me. But, she may not react if she's seen friends having a paysite.

Right, lemme be the one who at least tries the polite approach with her. Let me try before anyone starts yelling at the girl.

I don't think anyone was intending to yell at her - at least to her face.  That's not how pirates roll - all the yelling is done here.  But this girl is seriously dimwitted - making a paysite - I'm sure with her unknown site, her bills must be through the roof.  ::)

Cala, you know yourself we have had patches where we yelled before we gave them a chance to see the other side..

Ok, I sent the girl a message.. saying there's help and resources and a culture of friends out there if she wants to give it a try.. The rest is up to her, and I will let you lot know if I get a snotty response, then you can go nuts (you never know  ;) )

No, we've had patches where dimwits spammed guestbooks, and pirates were blamed, with no foundation - there was one dude connected with the freesite movement who did it in particular - never was a member here.  I've personally had the accusation levelled at me at least 30 times at S2C, with no proof - just nebulous remarks about dirty tactics from the Queen of Dirty Tactics herself NeptuneSuzy.  There's plenty of nice offers from pirates - like Money Better Spent.  We've had paysite owners here who went ballistic first - or just stopped in to drop a pile of venom.

And the other side implies that there are circumstances where it's permissible to have a paysite - 100% no excuse.  I don't care what bodgy excuse they give - there is none. 

Well Cala, there is a noob (Topaz) who posted in the booty shopping list that s/he has already sent them an " a nasty email telling her how much I hate her" so hopefully that doesnt hurt the efforts that saraswati is putting forth.  I get being pissed at paysite owners if they have the attitude that it is their right to get "mo money" but I still think we need to give them information first and wait to see if this is their attitude or if they were just uninformed at first.  If they give back " I deserved to get paid! Leave me alone!" well then, whatever.  I have the feeling that she isnt going to want any help being free since she is using Liana's model and Liana hasnt seen fit to stop offering donation packages but it still seems worth a try before she is condemed. 

Also, don't forget there's probably enough pro-paysiters who would not like owners like her to come into contact with freesiters, so they send them hate-mails as if they are coming from pirates.

MIKEY!!! of M&M Needful Things is a member here, but that doesn't make him a pirate. I'm personally over the whole "what one pirate does, all pirates are responsible for, and should be told off for". I've gotten plenty of hatemail too in my guestbook - am I to presume this is paysites, or pirates (cause it couldn't be overexcited dickheads, now could it?)?

didn't Sublime sims get a stop being a paysite thing from someone claiming to be a pirate at one point? 

Misrepresentation is a bitch and half, really. 

she contacted me yesterday with a proposal to become affiliates :D I guess she haven't noticed the PMBD banner on my page  ;D ;D ;D
anyway I told her that we will talk when she will get rid of her stupid donation sets and if she has no money to pay for her site - she can contact wickednoukfamily.
she contacted my friend today with same proposal and she answered her exactly the same thing as I did.

I was a bit curious yesterday, as I never seen her site before, so I checked a bit her registration info :

so, registered only a few days ago and already a paysite  :-\ ? my opinion is that if you have no money for hosting a website then why the hell are you opening it?
and she could at least make her own meshes, as making such clothes isn't hard.

Helena, remove her personal contact information.

I see she has no huge costs to pay for - except ordinary site costs. Phoolish girl.

Thing is, I'm not going to go out and hunt down a pay site owner/employee and send them crappy e-mails, that isn't my thing. I let them come here and make fools of themselves and then I get down to business and rip them apart. Don't blame all of us for the actions of one, and that one being a newcomer as of yet. Mailing them info on how to be free and stay free is one thing. Sending them rude letters telling them off without even giving them the chance to  make it right by being liberated is another.

You're not going to convince someone not to be a pixel whore by screaming at them first. Let them come to you first, then when they've made total fools of themselves in front of the world, you take a pin, or in my case a hammer, and deflate that ego of theirs which causes them to think they are entitled to money for what they put into the .pkg file.

That file format belongs to EA and no one has the right to demand money for what is in it unless it's endorsed by the company. No endorsement, no monies. Don't like it? Try to get a job with the company and get paid honestly. As it is, it ain't gonna wash and it never should have been allowed to happen. Then again, if EA had something like a backbone instead of the mass of jelly-fish like material for a spine, pay sites would never have existed in the first place.

If I'm going to send anyone a crappy mail about pay sites and such, it will be the producers of the game because of the way they spit upon their fan base and allow them to be spit upon by the very inaction they are known for. Good God, it's bad enough that the games come out in a form that is hard to play and requires bug fixes from the get-go, why should we have to put up with idiots that sell crap that will bork our games or just looks like shit? Then there is SecUROM, but I'm trying to keep my blood pressure down, so won't go into that even though I'm still totally pissed about the garbage they pawn off on us and expect us to put up with it because they are an almighty game producing company and we are only, ONLY, the customers.

Thing is, the customers are supposed to be right and treated with respect and dignity. Has anyone gotten that from EA or the pay sites? Somehow, I doubt it. Right there they are in breach of good faith with us, the people that pay for their games and make their lifestyles possible. If it was just EA and they made a product that didn't mess with my machine too much or I didn't have to constantly upgrade it to play said game, I wouldn't mind so much. But I do mind a third party thinking that I have to pay for the content that they put out when they have no guarantee of if it's going to work or not. I also have HUGE problems in paying them for something that they don't own. To my mind, that is theft.

Ripped off by the game producer and ripped off by the pay sites. Hell no! I don't buy EA Games products any more, to be honest. The last expansion pack I got that was official was a gift from my best friend and then the fiasco about the copy protection program blew up like a methane tank in a warehouse fire. I don't think they know what in the hell they're doing with producing the game, to be honest. They never give their engineers time to work out most/all of the bugs before mass production, they are only in it for cashing in on a popular title. If they could wait, I'm sure they'd see even more sales as people lined up to buy something that is worth the money we have to spend to get it.

Pay sites are like ramoras; parasites using a larger animal for a lift and not getting caught that often. Then again, they could be compared to lice: annoying, bloodsucking little critters that are hard to get rid of and keep coming out unless you go damn near overboard to eradicate them. The only real difference between pay site owners and lice is that lice are mindless creatures that have no idea that what they are doing is wrong/annoying. The lice just live that way, it's the way they're made. But pay site owners know it's wrong and make a conscious choice to do it anyway.

Some people are truly innocent in not knowing that pay sites are wrong. Maybe AnnaMaria doesn't know, we have to give her that benefit of the doubt. We have to know that she deliberately did wrong before we jump on her with hob-nailed boots. If she listens to reason about free hosting and going free, we toast her with rum and celebrate. If she turns out to be in the likeness of other pay site owners, then we roast her site over a slow flame after a fast searing to keep the juices in. Innocence and ignorance have to be given the chance to learn and improve. Direct greed and willing fraud have to be flattened. Let's see which this one proves to be and then go from there.

Yes, none of the regulars here filet someone without being provoked first - its usually the noobies that decide to send mails full of profanities to total strangers  :-X

I suspect my efforts may be futile because this might be a "paysite so I can get pocket money" site..  I knew the owner of Simultaneous Design once upon a time and she told me that was why she ran her paysite.  At least we can give the girl the benefit of the doubt until she responds to my email.

o.o Um, I think Lianaa is having some personality poofs and one of those poofs turned out to be Anna Maria. Mo' money, mo' crazy.

You mean she has Janisonlyoneofmynamesitis? Heh. They keep getting stranger and stranger, don't they...

It's like Sybil on crack.

Hrm...

Why would Lianaa help a chum open a paysite, and not point her towards TSR? Lianaa has pointed MilanoKat and Ulkrshn over there, why not this one?

We have also (correct me if wrong) not seen this creator before, and from the looks of her stuff has been creating for a while and has got to grips with it well - am thinking what Nii said. The style is too similar, creators do not just spring up like this, paysites do not just spring up like this, and it is extremely odd that she has not started uploading to TSR *dons tin foil hat* Am thinking Lianaa may have developed two paysite personalities

eta: Found her http://www.thesimsresource.com/profiles/view.php?mid=2037386 No forum posts, no GB entries. First uploaded over a month ago though..hrm..

I know i'm new here and probably haven't got a clue, but i'd just like to say Paden you make your point and very well! i usually get put off reading paragraphs on forums; a) it hurts my eyes and b) people usually waffle - but i didn't skip a bit on your post more people who do own paysites should read it!

Now for a complete change of topic - is Anouk actually the nouk from noukiesims? if so........i'm star struck lol i know a lot of you probably are creaters or in the loop with those that are so its no biggy - but i am bowled over if it is cos i play my game with their stuff! WOW .....i know i'm a geek   :-[

Ok, it's official.. if she's registered over there and she's started her own lil' paysite, go to town on her ass.. I just checked, she didn't even have the courtesy to reply to my mail.

Yes, we have many a pirate here that can word things so well, you wonder why there is a debate anymore. 
Yes, that is the (in)famous Nouk.  You have her hairs.  Actually as time goes on, I'm sure you'll see pretty much any free creator that you really like is somehow connected to the pirates. (all of mine are.) 

Silly little idiot.  Hope she doesn't get a dime.

Well i did a who's who & its pretty interesting. If you click on the y directory listing @ whos who after it brings up your search result (Anna Marie Sims) the registrent of AMS has registred 2 listings with Y! Directory.

Data as of: 14-Jun-2005  (Same date for both sites as well)

Showing Web Search results for the term ANNAMARIASIMS2.COM:

1. AnnamariaSims2
This is a Sims2 fan site with fashion creations. ... Swimwear. Outerwear. Children. Casual. Formal. Home. Fashion. FAQ. Donation. E-Mail Me. Links ...annamariasims2.com

2. LianaSims2.net
This is a Sims2 fan site with fashion creations. ... She designs beautiful outfits made mostly on my meshes, go check them out! AnnaMariaSims2.com. ...www.lianasims2.net

There also both registred in the same city & country. Only difference is AMS is on a yahoo domain (saw yahoo by clicking ip address) & Lianas is on Go Daddy.

I have to agree with CaptainJojoba. I think there both one in the same.

Can i post the links to the who's who search results for both site's here? or should i just PM it to anyone who would like to compare the 2?

Maybe Liana is hoping to double dip at TSR?

Oh man, wouldn't THAT be a kick in the pants...

You can post anything but personal contact details.  

I just had a look at her html source code for her site - Jojoba FTW - the metatags are exactly the same except for site names - even the spelling mistakes.

Liana Sims:



AnnaMaria Sims:

Who's Who for AnnaMarie
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=annamariasims2.com

Who's Who for Liana
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=lianasims2.net

The Registrent real names are different. Doesn't mean their not one in the same though.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Witchboy/Signatures/dick.jpg)

*has zadiesims flashbacks*

Is it because she comes from the same town you guys are suss'd on it? The thing that gives me pause is her metadata.. noone ever describes their site exactly the same.

If it's her friend it's more likely they would live in the same town than not.  I think they are one in the same though, there are just too many other similarities. 

I suppose she could have been lazy enough to just copy and paste and change a few words, but this community is so nuts at times that it's probably more likely that they are the same person. Occam's Razor doesn't seem to apply to Sims 2.

Actually that's the whole reason it is so telltale.  I copied the metadata from Sublime Sims, and changed more than a few words - because my site isn't their site and I have different things to highlight - and no person chooses the same thing to describe everything, and they certainly don't choose the same spelling mistake.

the owner of annamariasims is a friend of liana. she helped anna to put up her own site -> same layout etc.

And do you know this "Anna Maria" personally?  How can you really be sure the person you're talking to is really who he/she says he/she is?  In this community we've had people pretend to be men when female, pretend to die, pretend their husband/kids are sick/dying, pretend to be several people at once, pretend to leave and come back as someone else..  The sims community has had its fill of these nut cases so don't be surprised that we are more than wary when such coincidences comes to light about a person.

Any way you spin it though, you shouldn't be asking for money, even when you're not selling items, when you JUST opened your site.  I don't care who you are.  Can't afford it?  Put it on a free hosting site.  Don't be another leech of this community.

I also think that's one and the same person. Not only for the layout, but the clothes are too much alike. They are so ... uhm ... "bright"  :P. I also recolour Liana's meshes, and my recolours look completely different.
So if Liana didn't find a very ambitious scholar, like some hairy little goblin who follows each advise of his/her master, I say they are the same person.

Ha!   :D

She's joined up to a bunch of forums and has set up update threads. Seems a rather poor attempt to gain more traffic..And she is being given questions and comments towards her brand new site with pay items - is ignoring them too (see SnootySims (http://www.snootysims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=456418&sid=ce97fc97982f64d0b676d05700417c19), Insim (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=78757)). That is rather a bad attitude, and speaks strongly imao  ::)

Some friends can also copy their friend's style, which is a bad idea.

As for the layout...man, that is bright.

Edit:  I found something odd.  Where it says IP Address, click it on both of them (the link).  Annamariasims2.com's reg date is 2002-09-09 and lianasims2.net's reg date is 2006-04-12.

When we get her paystuff in the booty, I'm going to post a link to it in her thread at Snooty's. We don't like paysites there either.

Good news, nerd. Some of it already is in the booty
http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/annamariasims2/ (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/annamariasims2/)

So go do that posting! I want to see what she has to say  :D

gotta love the comment by Jashley Sim over at Snootys, defending why a site who just opened, doesnt even mesh their own stuff....why ask for money?: 


A:  Her work on making these possible.



ahahahahahahahahaha    ::)

 ???
I read that as a sarcastic reply. S/he didn't mean that, did s/he?

I have reply that topic to:

Post at Snootysims:

I can say only one thing about this:

This site has pretty stuff. And it always heart me if a site has a donate selection (Special if it is a new site). I understand that some sites needs support to keep the site running.  But they can always use Google or a Donate button for support. Or the site can always searh for a free host.

http://www.snootysims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=460063#460063

I cant wait for a reply at that post ;D Hahahaha

I emailed a friend who is her affiliate and told her about how she used Liana's code, (at the time liana hadn't told anyone anna was her friend) anyway, she implied that it was none of my business, which it's not but i don't like copy's/fakes of other sites, it's unnatural. I also emailed anna to tell her about how paysites are illegal, a good load of crap that did.

Anyone see the post at vintage-d?


And nouk said

Woohoo! I'm on it! She's probably not going to answer, I think she got the point that we hate all paysites over at Snooty's. Me and Jasley (current name, it keeps changing) promote PMBD all over the place when it's needed. When someone asks where to get cc from a picture, we always give them the link to the booty.

I think the issue is that some of these people have gotten used to milking things for all they're worth and they still think they're going to be able to keep doin' that til the end of time..

They are trying desperately, painfully to pretend that pmbd never happened.

Anyone who prowls the Other places-forum at Snooty's will at least see this now:


Hard to miss. Hoping to get some angry pm's from her, I will of course post them here if they arrive.

Yay for nerd! And yay for angry pms.  :D

I was so exited when I logged onto Snooty's this morning, because I got a pop-up saying I had got a pm. I was sooo hoping it was a hate-mail from AnnaMaria, but alas - it was from Saraswati. It was nice to hear from her, but I must admit I was a bit disappointed that it wasn't something I could share with the rest of you and laugh at.

Darn you, Saraswati, for getting poor Nerd's hopes up! Meanie!  ;D

Well, two more paysites to hate. Great. !!