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Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: carebear on 2007 November 15, 16:40:17
i am sorry if this is the wrong section.and im sorry if i am not supposed to post this at all...i just happend to open

http://www.simshowroom.com/

today and i thought that it looked kinda sad that they only need $76 bucks and all they've collected is $3!
i just wanted to post that somewhere ,where people care...and since you guys say all the time that you would support a free site in every way possible,this seemed like a good place..

if you wanna jump on me about a wrong section,a wrong topic,typos...or whatever else you wanna jump on me about....go ahead-thats not gonna ruin my day!


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: SavageArtistry on 2007 November 15, 17:25:52
I'm not going to comment on where you should or should not have posted this. I shall leave that to others, but I have to say why would this person stay with a web host that charges $189 per year?  That's a ripoff.  I have my own domain (not a sims site) and free hosting from doteasy.com for $25 a year.  They also have tons of free add ons.  Unless this site has huge amounts of traffic (like Mod the Sims 2) I just don't see how the bill could be so high.

If they don't mind not having their own domain they can go to others for hosting.  I have a game site for an older game on GameSpy.  When the game was new, it was pretty popular. I never had to pay a dime.

No offense, but it sounds like this person hasn't done their homework. I could fill a page with links to free web hosts.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Saraswati on 2007 November 15, 18:02:04
AlienVisage

I think you're being a little stiff here hun.. While I do agree 189 is a bit much and they could probably have gotten something decent for around 70 or 80, the honest truth is that the hosts that are around 25 bucks in most cases aren't that great. The major one I've heard of around that price is GoDaddy, a friend of mine was with them and loved them originally but then began to get a bit leery. (it wasn't working so well)

Plus this person is a free site and is trying to do it the right way.. I would suggest rather than having a go at this person who is trying to help out a free site, if you do have a ton of really cheap hosting ideas you can share, maybe send them an email or leave a list in this thread.

And in case you're wondering I have run a site, uploaded files etc and I too spent a long time chasing webhosts so I could get a better deal.  I'm just not here under my own name.

Angha Tyl


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Moune on 2007 November 15, 18:06:44
Alien Visage, then how about you send the Sims Showroom owner an email with those links?

That might be expensive hosting, I wouldn't know, but the person is actually prepared to pay for most of it herself. I must admit I can't really get up in arms over a creator asking for 76 dollars from the community for a year's hosting. With that amount I'd be most surprised if it was a scam.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Moune on 2007 November 15, 18:09:00
Quote from: "Moune"
Alien Visage, then how about you send the Sims Showroom owner an email with those links?

That might be expensive hosting, I wouldn't know, but the person is actually prepared to pay for most of it herself. I must admit I can't really get up in arms over a creator asking for 76 dollars from the community for a year's hosting. With that amount I'd be most surprised if it was a scam.


ETA:
Angha, you beat me to it.

Edited again:
Okay, how impressive is that? Hitting the quote button when I wanted to edit. And without noticing it before posting. Somebody throw at least one cat macro at me, please!


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: SavageArtistry on 2007 November 15, 18:15:21
I'm not "having a go" at carebear.  I have nothing against him/her or this site owner mentioned since I'm not a visitor at the site. And yes, they are doing the right thing with having a free site - I'm not knocking that.  Ultimately the choice of host is up the the person being hosted.

I'm simply curious as to what their host offers them for $189 that they can't get elsewhere cheaper.  Probably in my case I just don't need as many features as they might, but my point is there are loads of free or inexpensive options out there.

As for posting a list - I have already given two examples that work for me personally. If you want more, here you go.  I realize these are varying quality and space, meant to fit different people's needs, but a Google search would turn up even more options.

http://www.freespaces.com/
http://members.freewebs.com/
http://www.thefreesite.com/Free_Web_Space/
http://www.bravenet.com
http://www.freeweb7.com

Edited to add:  OK I used the contact form on their site and gave them the link to this thread.

By the way, if you go to http://www.thefreesite.com/Free_Web_Space/ I don't recommend 2ip.com as a host. Tried that and your site will be down about 99% of the time.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Moune on 2007 November 15, 18:27:33
Send.Them.To.SimsShowroom.  :wink:


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: SavageArtistry on 2007 November 15, 18:30:54
Quote from: "Moune"
Send.Them.To.SimsShowroom.  :wink:


Relax. I posted my response to Angha Tyl before I saw yours. Message sent.

Anyways, I've said my 2 on this and I'm done.  If this person wants suggestions they are available, and if not then that's fine too.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: SmilingSweetly on 2007 November 15, 20:39:27
Quote from: "Moune"
Okay, how impressive is that? Hitting the quote button when I wanted to edit. And without noticing it before posting. Somebody throw at least one cat macro at me, please!


Ok, Moune

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u208/liverspout/catz/beta218.gif)

Sorry, I just love this one too much  :wink:


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Hecubus on 2007 November 15, 21:26:20
For you, Moune:

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/MusicalMaven/LOLcatz/tech_support_cat.jpg)


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Moune on 2007 November 15, 22:07:56
ROFL!

Thanks. I needed that.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Anouk on 2007 November 15, 23:22:32
I think it's a good idea to post this since it gets alot of views. :)


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Pescado on 2007 November 16, 01:29:00
Quote from: "Angha Tyl"

I think you're being a little stiff here hun.. While I do agree 189 is a bit much and they could probably have gotten something decent for around 70 or 80, the honest truth is that the hosts that are around 25 bucks in most cases aren't that great. The major one I've heard of around that price is GoDaddy, a friend of mine was with them and loved them originally but then began to get a bit leery. (it wasn't working so well)

$189 is a bit on the high end, but not an unreasonably out-there cost. That price is about right for maybe a double plan.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Saraswati on 2007 November 16, 08:10:14
I suspect somebody needs to have a conversation with them so they can join the dots and look at how much bandwidth they actually use.. For most sites the 50-80 dollar plans are going to cover it, in spades.

And by the way Moune on some level I think it's nice that we had a "snap" moment there.. :lol:


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Renegade on 2007 November 17, 13:53:11
I think finding alternative sources of hosting would be best.  I'm not sure just how much bandwidth they're using, but a freehost ( http://www.freeweb7.com is pretty decent, and no ads) might work.  Or at the very least, a cheaper host.  

Also, http://www.moneybetterspent.org/ has a nice list of resources under the "Go Free!" part.

Hopefully the owner(s) of SimShowroom sees this before shelling out $189 to renew their hosting.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: ratfink on 2007 November 17, 15:32:58
Their host seems to be one in Croatia, which may explain the price.  If the person is from there it's sometimes difficult to get support from the US when timezones are so far apart.


Title: Re: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Amazone on 2007 November 17, 16:09:11
Quote from: "carebear"
i am sorry if this is the wrong section.and im sorry if i am not supposed to post this at all...i just happend to open

http://www.simshowroom.com/

today and i thought that it looked kinda sad that they only need $76 bucks and all they've collected is $3!
i just wanted to post that somewhere ,where people care...and since you guys say all the time that you would support a free site in every way possible,this seemed like a good place..

if you wanna jump on me about a wrong section,a wrong topic,typos...or whatever else you wanna jump on me about....go ahead-thats not gonna ruin my day!


Thanks for the link. I am not going to support the site, but keep an eye with it. I see it's registered on a person from Croatia, and sadly enough this could be a scam. It sounds ridicilous claiming one have only collected $3 - and i doubt the price for the domain is that high.

Look up the domain server.

Quote from: "ratfink"
Their host seems to be one in Croatia, which may explain the price.  If the person is from there it's sometimes difficult to get support from the US when timezones are so far apart.


What about the rest of the world? Europe do not have the big differences in timezones.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: ws-jessica on 2007 November 17, 17:41:31
$189/year is...what $15 a month? As pes said, its not that high. Most hosting packages come with a free domain, but you can get one separate from various places from anywhere between $6 to $15 a year.
Expensive hosting would be $25 a month or more, and probably provides the same as the host charging $8 a month lol

I've never even heard of this site before, i dont think its popular enough to warrant a big hosting plan. But who knows, it might be lol

I will message them with a list of cheaper hosts. Although anyone could have pointed them to MBS' "go free" page that has a list of free hosts, or MySimSite which has a list of cheap paid hosting and some free hosts.
Most free hosts though are only good for tiny sites otherwise you end up with frequent "bandwidth exceeded" pages.  :roll:


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Ry on 2007 November 17, 18:08:57
I actually signed her guestbook and left links to Money Better Spent and MSS.
 :D


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Saraswati on 2007 November 17, 18:40:44
I know where I come from, if I was relying on domestic hosts they're actually all about thirty dollars a month even for relatively tiny bandwidth.. I was just lucky that I stumbled over the information on US hosts and I put up with shitty service to be able to afford to run a website.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: SavageArtistry on 2007 November 17, 19:11:37
I didn't mean to come off as offensive in my initial couple posts (and this next bit is not a sob story - just letting you know why I feel the way I do).  When I first began goofing off with website making about 10 years ago or so, I didn't have any money to put toward it.  Literally, I was lucky to have food and a roof over my head at that point, but I digress... If I wanted to do something with my website, I had to find a way to do it without spending money, and that led me to finding a lot of free resources on the internet.  I will be the first to admit that those free resources have dried up to a degree over the years, but with a little searching you can still find plenty.

Now with that said, I understand higher cost if you're doing something special, like with sites that get tons of traffic or have specialized setups (Wicked/Nouk family of sites, InSim or Mod the Sims to name a few).  What I don't get is that her site looks kind of small/medium sized.  If bandwidth is eating her alive couldn't she host her files on some file host like MediaFire?  If the cost of the website itself is so high, why not find a better host?  Does the country the site or person is operating out of have something to do with it?  I'm sure there's something I don't get - maybe she has some restrictions or circumstances that I'm not aware of.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: calalily on 2007 November 17, 19:31:19
I think you're missing the overall point - this is where we tell paysites they're doing it wrong - not freesites.  We don't critique freesites because it discourages paysites from becoming free, and some freesite owners have come out and said that her hosting is within expectable parameters.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: SavageArtistry on 2007 November 17, 20:13:39
I suppose you're right.  It just seems even letting a free site owner know about free resources can't be a bad idea.  That's all I'm trying to get across.  Anyway, as stated above, ultimately it's up to her where she hosts - and ultimately it's up to me whether or I donate or not.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: liegenschonheit on 2007 November 17, 22:40:07
Quality free hosting is drying up, unfortunately. Most of them put ads all over your site or severely limit your bandwidth. Several smaller sites I've seen have been using Moonfruit or other free hosts, then linking to files hosted on Mediafire, or use blogging sites and do the same thing. Now the problem is that Mediafire is problematic in that it doesn't guarantee that it will keep your files. Files have been known to get dumped, and in the case of filesharing they certainly delete just about everything if anyone complains about it.

So yes, it is still possible to run free sites. However, even going with some of the cheapest packages of paid hosting gives you a lot of security. And for all the stuff people say about GoDaddy, you can get a decent package for $3 or $4 a month, and it's normally quite reliable (unless you do something dumb like me and unknowingly used an expired license for a program :P).

It's my opinion that whatever host a free site wants to use is up to them. I don't think her choice is our business at all, except for the matter of how much people are willing to donate to help them. I would hope if that site can't get enough donations, they'll look around to see if they can get one cheaper, but that is all on them.


Title: ? help ? sure ?
Post by: littlegeisha on 2007 December 10, 17:57:59
can i add my 2 cents to this discussion in my bad english?
since i discovered the booty i start donating to free sites.
so when i went to that site and saw that announcement, i was about to donate something. i registered (it's a forum so you must register to be allowed to download) and went to the advent calendar to see the downloads. it looks very good from the previews. but by clicking each day i got always a "page not found" error. so i discovered in the faqs that the dowloads are available only for the current day, because people must go to the site and check it every day. ok, so i clicked the current day, the day before, the day after: nothing, none of the days works.
I always thanks free creators, i always hit the thanks button and i never do bad comments to creations. Everything is free is good for me and i say always thanks.
And everyone can run his site as he wants and decide its rules.
But if you're looking for (money) help, if you want encourage to donate as many people as possible, i think it is not a very good idea to have a so restricted policy.
But i feel a little... tricked. i'm sorry i don't know how you say that in english: specchietto per le allodole. Some birds are attracted by shining things, like silver and gold, so if you want to catch them you can use a mirror and make shine with the sunlight. the bird sees the shine, comes and doesn't find any gold or silver but only a shine and maybe a cage.
In other words... a preview with beautiful things is to attract you to the site, but you won't get them. but instead you get an announcement: "i want your money, i make these beautiful things and if you don't pay i will close the site, but i don't dare to say that clearly, so i cry and ask for help".


Edit: IT ISN'T A FREE SITE!!! http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=1358


Title: Re: ? help ? sure ?
Post by: Kyalesyin on 2007 December 10, 20:10:37
Quote from: "littlegeisha"


Edit: IT ISN'T A FREE SITE!!! http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=1358


Sneaky...


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: deelink on 2007 December 10, 22:36:27
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of donations get done by people who can't/or have very limited understanding of the site's language.
A lot of donation sites use very Orwellian language too. Making that much more confusing (TSR is famous for this).

Having said that.. I'm sorry littlegeisha for you having to spend money on a worthless endeavor. But don't worry, you have the booty! And now you know :) Knowledge is power!


Title: Re: ? help ? sure ?
Post by: Duckie on 2007 December 11, 01:01:11
Quote from: "Kyalesyin"
Quote from: "littlegeisha"


Edit: IT ISN'T A FREE SITE!!! http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=1358


Sneaky...


It was a paysite when the above linked topic was started. About a week after the topic began the site went free: http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?p=59807#59807


Title: Re: ? help ? sure ?
Post by: glitter-and-hairspray on 2007 December 11, 04:02:55
Quote from: "Duckie"
Quote from: "Kyalesyin"
Quote from: "littlegeisha"


Edit: IT ISN'T A FREE SITE!!! http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=1358


Sneaky...


It was a paysite when the above linked topic was started. About a week after the topic began the site went free: http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?p=59807#59807



Voice of reason FTW.
High five please?


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Flying Dutchman on 2007 December 31, 16:45:54
Quote from: "SavageArtistry"
I'm not going to comment on where you should or should not have posted this. I shall leave that to others, but I have to say why would this person stay with a web host that charges $189 per year?  That's a ripoff. I have my own domain (not a sims site) and free hosting from doteasy.com for $25 a year.  They also have tons of free add ons.  Unless this site has huge amounts of traffic (like Mod the Sims 2) I just don't see how the bill could be so high.

If they don't mind not having their own domain they can go to others for hosting.  I have a game site for an older game on GameSpy.  When the game was new, it was pretty popular. I never had to pay a dime.

No offense, but it sounds like this person hasn't done their homework. I could fill a page with links to free web hosts.


Mate, some people may more for hosting because they NEED it to keep the site up.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: RedLove on 2007 December 31, 20:23:24
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t202/KayNii/128337841255625000OhLawdNecrom.jpg)

=] It's bad. Yea.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: SavageArtistry on 2007 December 31, 22:03:53
Quote from: "Flying Dutchman"
Mate, some people may more for hosting because they NEED it to keep the site up.


(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/SavageArtistry/Forum/ohmygod.gif)I'm not going to respond to this beyond this one reply, as it looks like you didn't read the entire thread to see where I said I knew hosting costs depend on different factors.

This topic is old and I'm done discussing it. (http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/SavageArtistry/Forum/ghost.gif)


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: uknortherner on 2008 January 01, 14:28:55
Quote from: "RedLove"
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t202/KayNii/128337841255625000OhLawdNecrom.jpg)

=] It's bad. Yea.


Erm... so 20 days is necromancy now? I wish people would make their minds up around here...


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: AW on 2008 January 01, 14:46:12
Meh, I didn't have a problem with necromancy.  Just no new info.


Title: a FREE site needs help!
Post by: Paden on 2008 January 01, 19:30:53
I do believe the FAQ states thirty days before thread death occurs. Once that happens, you'd best have something new and fresh to justify breathing life back into a topic we thought dead and gone. When in doubt, reading the arfing FAQ. Always!