PMBD

I went to the Mod Board for the first time in a couple of months. I had seen something I liked and was JUST about to RAR it when this notice suddenly came on:

System Warning
SMB is closed now
because of:
1) no funds to pay hosting (in September)
2) not enough staff members to get the daily tasks done


This announcement will stay for 4 weeks.
If you love SMB you can do:
1) donate to help us paying the server
2) apply as volunteer for daily staff work


This announcement is paid until end of
September, then it will disappear and our
data on the server will be deleted (uploads,
users, forums etc.), if we cannot gain
adequate volunteers for moderation and
for administration tasks and if funds cannot
be collected for server payment until the end of September.

Read more here:
Donationdrive
SMB Staff wanted!

This was on the Donation drive page:

  Rescue SMB - Donationdrive
Help us to pay for our webspace and traffic
SMB has now two 25% Sponsorship places free which must be filled. SMB needs two new Co-Sponsors.


The Sims Mod Board Hosting is not free, because of bandwidth usage.
To provide you downloads with a fast speed, SMB uses many Gigabyte
webtraffic a day. The files take many space, so Gigabytes of webspace are in usage.
Our professional webhosting costs money and only with your help we can keep
it running. Monthly fees and server upgrade fees are not affordable just by one
(unemployed) private person. We rent a server to provide all the forums, downloads,
members and features.
The Server with fees, traffic and upgrades costs about 4 thousand dollars in one year.
Soon we will need two servers, if we are still growing.
A Setup of just one good Server could cost us 1000 dollars.
Please help us to keep SMB for future online.


Thank you for helping us out, thank you for your help to keep
the unique Sims Family with all its special and creative people online.

The SMB Management  


And on the Volunteers page:

Rescue SMB - 25 skilled Volunteers wanted
Help us to moderate and administrate SMB and keep it growing
SMB has to reoccupy 12 existing still unoccupied staff positions and SMB has to setup 13 new positions already.

Send your volunteer application please to: guardteam@pc-sims.com

The Sims Mod Board Website runs not itself. Our Superadministrator has to work
hard currently 14-18 hours daily to keep it running, even if the Superadministrator
would have a good reliable and consistent team of at least 15 staff members,
but we haven't it at the moment. To keep a "big" site running means doing a lot of
work. Every new registered user has to be checked, all uploaded and replied
contents must be controlled frequently. This are many "man hours" daily and of
course all voluntary, because SMB is unable to take paid moderators. SMB has
no income. Our advertisements can not even cover the daily webtraffic partly
and donations we have maybe 1-2 (about 10-12 dollars) in a long whole
month, which is eaten up by paypal fees and taxes immediately - nothing
left to pay for the host even, because the whole monthly donations are to little for
just making a currency conversion in one unique currency balance.

Now the site grew up beyond of 50000 members and a lot of old
settled members are now not anymore ambitioned, motivated or available for
staff tasks. This means that even with enough funds we could not keep it
running, if we would have not enough voluntary and ambitioned staff
members to keep the SMB program up, for example content checks, user
checks, weekly contestforums, linkmanager, site promotion, design,
bugfinding, post reporting and security - just to name a few of many tasks
needed to be done reliable and dialy all the time.


So if you cannot donate, you could think if you would be ready to invest 3-4
hours of your valuable time daily to help us out with site tasks or maybe
you know some good friends who would be ambitioned and motivated to help
out on a site.
We need reliable work, daily work and work which is not interrupted always.
Our Superadministrator had to work 18 hours+ two months ago and then
the workamount was growing so strong, that our Superadministrator was not
more able to fulfill all the tasks and we pleased for help and we offered
a few new positions for application on the site in the hope to recrute some
people for it.
Nobody new applied to this positions until yet, so we have now to search by
this announcement for urge.
About 60 hours daily site work have to be covered now, so we need
new volunteers urgently or SMB can run only with heavily restricted contents or even not at all.

The SMB Management

Please write your application if you are reliable and base skilled about
forums, moderation and administration to the emailaddress mentioned.
Note: We cannot take "occasion volunteers". You should be sure in it.
We cannot take beginners. You should at least know approx. how to moderate.
We would like to see people who have not already a task on SMB, because
those with tasks shall look to do their first task properly before to apply for new.

Send your volunteer application please to: guardteam@pc-sims.com



I'm really sorry to see that the Sims Mod Board is having problems. It has some truly inventive mods out there.  But I can't help thinking that the solution may not be getting funds or volunteers as it might be re-thinking how the forum should be run. Having a donation drive right after the Noukiesims and the MTS2 ones, and during an Insimenator drive that is progressing slowly might make a bad situation a lot worse. Asking people to volunteer 3 - 4 hours a day might not get the desired result. 3 -4 hours a week? Perhaps. But 3 - 4 hours a day? That is almost the equivalent of a part-time job without the pay, and I don't know if a whole lot of people will be willing to put in that much time.

Or is this how Sims sites are? I admit to not having any experience with running a Sims site.

Erm, sounds scammish to me.  :o  Is this a new way for them to go pay?

They can reduce all their costs by thinking of a new, creative way to provide a forum and files. I have never even heard of them, but I do know that asking for volunteers to work 3 to 4 hours a day is ridiculous. People have real jobs and school and lives.

Maybe its better if they close down.

I saw that this morning during my "morning rounds".  I read the notice and thought I could volunteer some time since I mod a non-Sims board, but when I read 3-4 hours a DAY, well, there's no way I could give that much time.

I hope they come back... I love the designers over there.  I'm glad I got Margierytka's Gold and Graphite bathrooms last night.

I don't know if they need to close down, but I do think they might, indeed, need to restrict content or downsize their "vision" of what the board should be.

First, hopefully, at least some of the surviving admins, mods, etc. are on cordial enough terms with Delphy, Inge, Kathy, Eric, Pescado, etc., to have a chat with them on the mechanics of running a larger site. Do any of these well-known people in the Sims community have some tips for them? What worked? What did not work? How do they cut costs? How do they process submissions and divvy up the workload? It sounds that first and foremost, the SMB-ers need to scale down and rethink some aspects of the site, even if it means restricting some downloads.

And that 3 - 4 hours a day bit is shooting themselves in the foot, IMO. They aren't going to have the easiest time finding qualified people to do that. Once again, how does Delphy, Eric, Kathy, etc. etc. handle it? Perhaps they can impart a bit of wisdom without giving away "trade secrets". Would closing or consolidating forums help, for instance?

I, too, ran a couple of non-Sims boards in the past ... one small board, and one with about 3000 members or so. I was half-asleep when I first read the notice, and was about to volunteer for one of the functions, too, thinking, "Oh, I could probably help out for 3 - 4 hours a week." But then I re-read it and realized that no, it wasn't for 3 - 4 hours a WEEK. That dissuaded me from volunteering, and it probably is dissuading others, too.

I don't think they're looking to go pay, though I could be wrong. I sense, however, a truly overstressed owner who needs some serious assistance on how to deal with certain problems on the site .... and not necessarily monetary assistance, though that is important.

I don't think it's a scam - they've had problems in the past paying for hosting, and just plain old went down.  They came back though.

I would volunteer a couple of hours a week - cause like everyone else, I don't have 3-4 a day - but I couldn't figure out how to work it enough to download there (multi-lingual) easily, so I'd have real problems actually doing anything for them.

Damn! I have a membership there but haven't been for some time, months really. It was just difficult for me to find what I wanted but I did like the quality of items that I downloaded. I just don't have the three to four hours a day to devote to them, due to the fact that I'm active on more than PMBD, you know? Also, I'm a full time parent and while you may think I'm right here in front of the keyboard, lots of time I'm playing with my kid and taking care of him. I hate to see them having such problems, they're a good bunch.

I've been there and snooped around but never downloaded anything. I'd help out but I don't think they'd want a known pirate on their staff.

Now that you said that, I remember their tribulations before, Calalily.

You'd think that with their many members that donations and volunteers wouldn't be a problem.  I guess I smelled scammishness because I'm surprised that they would let this slip to the very last minute essentially instead of looking at the future ahead months ago and doing something then. :?

I love SMB and all of Katy's little mods. It's because of her my Sims can actually smoke. lol They can ride out in lakes on boats, rafts, etc. Ship and recieve packages/gifts. Send postcards to each other. Have a courtroom with a judge and lawyers. Power Company, telephone company. Their own army, etc...over half of my CC is just made by Katy and her little object mods/her new little animations for the Sims. But, I hate that I've been getting flagged a spammer. Almost everytime I post. Doesn't matter if I type one sentence or a thousand. :( It's the one site I wouldn't mind being a monthly donator too, because I love the site and everyone on it. But I hate that Spam thing they installed and I don't think that's the right way to cut down on bandwidth. Plus they're so intent on keeping the Paysite discussion off the board they have to approve everything you do, you can't even edit your own posts now, so it's become more like a board in China like their watching your every move. Which can make you feel uncomfortable. I would have done monthly to Insim as well, but I knew Kathy was in a desparate situation so I took what would be a monthly and did as a one time donation. Then I'll just donate throughout the year to her. I hate to see SMB down, so I'll go see how much is needed to keep the site up.

It should not be costing them $4000 a year unless they are either being scammed by their server provider, or they are paying someone to do server admin stuff for them.
Also, their forum has the worst layout -ever-. They put up recolors on MTS2 and then force everyone to go to their site and register to download the mesh, but that place is such a mess you can't find anything. So I wouldnt be surprised that, if out of the like 10,000 members they have, only 20 regularly post. Which means lots of unnecessary boards and categories.
Plus all the unnecessary images :|
They have some nice stuff, but its so hard to find what you're looking for.
Emails to them with suggestions on how to fix it and make it more user-friendly (which would also make it use less bandwidth) went unanswered.
They also shouldnt need someone to help out 3-4 hours a day.
Even if someone pointed Delphy/Kathy/Pescado to the site and they gave advice, I dont think they'll follow it.
They should have known they were having hosting/money issues before now. Why are they waiting until right before time is up to say anything?

That's what they just told me also, it's going to cost between 3 and 400 a month for the host. They have 50,000 members now. That seems like a lot of money to me. But I also can't imagine anyone would give up their day job for 400 a month to work for them. I know Jan puts in a lot of hours there. So I don't know why it's so expensive or is that normal costs?

PS At least they are not going subscription it will either be free or not at all. So I think they are being honest in needing at least 400 to keep it open and going.

There's no way in hell SMB chews up enough to need two servers, or need that many staffers. They're just being inefficient. Look how efficiently I run things under the Highlander Rule. If their administrator needs to work 18 hours a day just to maintain the site, they're doing it wrong.

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I've always had a love/hate relationship with that forum. Some of the downloads especially by Katy are very creative. The board was such a mess though. It was nearly impossible to find anything and blinky signatures and graphics everywhere.

I wouldn't mind donating to them but they are so inefficient, I'm afraid it would be a wasted effort.

That was my first Sims 2 forum. actually, right before I found an INTJ-encouraging new home at MATY.

Katy is very creative. I use it often when playing. Fee's stuff sears my retinas, but at least she thinks of something interesting no one else has done once in a while.

I didn't care for the 42 tags per user and enormo-icons / -sigs and blinkies and colours and such.

They swapped hosts in Jan or Feb, IIRC, so this is not a totally unprecedented issue. It was the total "o hai, we're dead" surprise I experienced there that led me to seek out equally large, helpful, stable sites with interesting discussion forums and downloads.

I get both at MATY, then I visit INSIM / MTS2 occasionally for goodies but rarely chat, and I chat here but rarely download anything.

The language barrier and cluttery forum doodahs pushed me away before the earlier "woopz, no host! halp!" drama this year.

I don't think this thread has taken on board that Katy is no longer with that site.  It says so in the Circumstances link http://www.pc-sims.com/smb/circumstances.html "Also we lost our Resident Creator Katy because of these rebels."

Thats sad she's gone. :(. Theres some ugly things going on out there.
I liked that site, but it was very hard to navigate. Its like Simtech 2 was taken down by someone in the inside borking their files, and they have not returned.

I visited the site a couple of times but both times decided to go back when I was at a loose end for an hour or so, due to the navigation complexities.  It looked like there would be some amazing hacks on there.

Well the silver lining is maybe Katy will pop up somewhere that is easier to download from?

That site has a lot of good stuff, I'll miss it. :(

They could save bandwidth by restricting content (for example, giving every long-time member a birthday/get well soon/christmas gift set of high poly stuff like furniture, etc is very nice, but totally unnecessary), and cutting down on the most of the graphics (that site is/was so graphic intensive and jumbled up).

That settles it, I won't be donating there to help. Hopefully Katy will find or start a new board that is run more efficiently. Her mods are really good.

This bothers me. 4000$ a year? WTF?

I had an EZBoard forum that I paid like 50 bucks for a years worth of no-ads, etc...to make it gold, hosted my files on free file host servers, my pics on photobucket and never had to pay anything else out of pocket again.

I also ran everything alone. No help.

NEVER had a problem.

Is little Ry more capable than a million and four 'employee's'?
Hm.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought Katy's stuff was, well, awful. It borked the game, it didn't look good, and frankly there are better hacks that did much of the same thing.

I also disliked the whole site. hard to navigate, annoying search function. All in all, not worth a second visit. I won't miss them....I barely knew they were there.


I do think their problems with cost and staff mean they're doing it wrong. Clearly there are a million ways to run a site like that without the extensive costs or manpower.

And interesting that basically it was internal drama that made the place implode. Just....interesting. Gonads and strife, anyone?

Gonads and strife?  Is that like bangers and mash?   :P  

Four grand a year sounds insane; they aren't anywhere near as large as MST2, are they?  I signed up there many moons ago but didn't find anything I really had to have (didn't have anything specific I was looking for either), but the navigation was dizzying, as I recall.  Creating good site navigation on a big site is a skill, I think.  

Shame a free site plows itself under like that, tho.

Gonads and strife. (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/weeee)

Be sure to turn your sound on...it's...well...let's just say once you experience it (wheeeeeeee!!!) you will never forget it!

I'm normally very good at picking up on sarcasm on the intarwebs, but you lost me on this one. I'd like to know if this was really meant to be tongue-in-cheek before I break down into hysterical laughter.


Also, was this the forum where everyone has massive avatars and Peggy-style blinky shit all over the place? If so, I liked the concept for a lot of the downloads, but I never got anything because:

a)I couldn't find it, or
b)It'd time out when I tried to download it.

And $4000 a year in hosting/server costs is either worthy of a "you're doing it wrong" macro, or a blatant lie.

Hec - thank you.  I am complete.  I am whole.  I have now found what was missing from my life...

MOAR WEEEEeeeeeeeeee!!!

 :lol:

I'm not sure how you're interpreting my comment, so I can't say if you're on the mark or not! :lol:

INTJ is a Myers-Briggs temperament type, though.

Interesting note: INTJs are among the most rare temperament types, making up a little over 2% of the (tested) population. MATY recently hosted a link to MB quizzes and a poll, and INTJs are a distinct majority, based on those who chose to both take the test and poll. IIRC, INTJs which responded numbered over 35, and the next most popular MB type was approximately 15-16 respondents. Further, I-types and T-types also predominate.

None of this makes a lick of sense unloess you are familiar with MB types, but if you are, you are probably suddenly realizing why MATY is such an unusual place.

Another interesting note: American society as a whole rewards E type and F type behaviors and typically applies peer pressure to suggest that being an I type or a T type are "wrong" and that I types are socially retarded and pathologically shy, whereas T types are heartless and unfeeling. I types and T types prefer to see themselves as independent and disinterested in the negative opinions of others (it is difficult to insult an I / T type), and as not being ruled by illogical things such as mood swings and feelings.

Personal note: This is why, even if someone has broken my heart, I can still wish them well, become good friends, and be nice to their new girlfriend(s) and truly mean it. Or how I can make choices that do not benefit me at all, and will, in fact, cause me great inconvenience and aggravation, but which are the right thing to do. Or why I can look at the paysite/freesite debate and sort out all the irrelevant personal feelings and focus solely on the legality and morality and correct behavior required by the rules and EULAe we have been given, and how tantrums just make me dismiss any illiogical argument a paysiter might make. If it isn't logical or legal, I don't give a rat's toot how unhappy they are, or if their widdle feewinks are bruised, because they are clearly IN THE WRONG, and it boggles me that we even have to argue about it at all.

Yep. My brain overrides any emotional outbursts someone else might make. I feel things just as strongly as an F, but my feelings are ruled by logic and restraint. I cannot be manipulated with guilt or self-pity or anger or whining AT ALL. At best, I'll only give in because it is the most expedient way to stop the whining and nagging, and if I'm only somewhat opposed to something. This is a rare event. This drives my very E/F mother crazy, but her (illogical) needs and moods and constant requirement for socializing drive ME crazy.

Somehow my friends and relationship partners still see me as one of the warmest, "loving-est", kindest-hearted people they know. I'm pretty warm 'n' fuzzy if people don't try to invalidate my temperament type (e.g. by complaining that I read or think too much, say, or by being clingy / demanding) or infringe on my need for alone time. You can be a T without being a cyborg, but pleas on an emotional level to make me change my mind from a logical choice to an illogical one will always meet with PHAIL. I may empathize, but that's the only concession I'll give IF you're being illogical. START MAKING SENSE, yo! :lol:

If you apply these temperaments to MATY, which is strongly INTJ, as is Pescado, you get a forum that doesn't seek out members, is not particularly bothered about welcoming new people, dismissive of illiteracy and 12ness and "hurt feelings" and drama, enjoys thoughtful threads and debates, focuses on clarity of expression (semantics) and grammar, and is bored easily. If you're an INTJ, the lack of fluffy / blinky emoties and e-hugs and long discussions about soppy feeling-based crud and leetspeak is like manna from heaven.

That, exaggerated for LULZ, is what I was referring to. I found MATY instantly welcoming because I read the FAQ, read old threads, lurked a bit, took nothing personally, and posted relevant comments.

MY HOMIES!!

PROTIP: Pescado is an INTJ. To the max. This has led to somewhat startling occasions on chat, where we basically type the same comment at the same time. GET OUT OF MY HEAD!! Even more odd, given that my personality is a lot different than Pescado's. I think in the same way, but my reactions and interpretations are greatly toned down and, perhaps, socialized more, as my entire family is E/F. I can't be like / think like them, but I have had to learn to co-exist with them. Sort of. :)



Yes, it was one big blink fest. It made my retinas hurt. If I were epileptic, I would have died seventeen times by now.

Didn't know about DRAMA. Katy left, huh? Wild. *goes off to read link o' drama*

Hec: I use(d) a bunch of Katy stuff, haven't had any problems. Then again, I'm a bit picky and run SHCD and Clean Installer and so on before doing anything. If something doesn't live up to the hype, I zorch it.  I think her shortcomings revolve around poor mesh skills. Her mod work is actually fairly good. Not great, but pretty good. I was pleased to find a female (one has to assume, doesn't one, as the official party line is that there are no real women on Teh Intarweebz) modder who was doing some interesting things.

Some math..

$400 a month x 12 months = $4000 ???

Now, I may not be a math whiz but I'm pretty sure it would be $4800..

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Katy's Quality:  At least from the things I've been interested in, I've noticed that she puts things up for download before properly testing it.  I don't think that it is intentional borking up people's games.  I think she just gets so excited by what she's working on that she feels the need to share it asap.  I would typically wait at least a week before downloading it to allow the first wave of testers to help her fix the object.

eta:  oh, her objects are also "not awesome" (MATY) so some refuse to download just based on that. :lol:

Hmmm.  Read this at their circumstances page. And it is interesting to read.

http://www.pc-sims.com/smb/circumstances.html

"If you would like to know the backers of those who made us
problems you can inquiry a blacklist on the emailaddress below.
We would be glad, if you would remove this trouble makers
from your own (Sims 2) website, because they are a
danger for every community on which they reside on.
We would recommend, that you take from time to time an
update from the actual rebel list. All griefers, spys and trolls are listed
there and we would provide you hi-tech applets to ban them forever.
Further we would encourage you to provide us judicial assistance
to punish those by court process who destructed a big part of SMB.

Send your further questions please to: guardteam@pc-sims.com"

It may or may not interest the pirates that I mentioned PMBD to Katy in a PM way back in March, but refrained from expressing an opinion one way or another, other than to congratulate her on keeping SMB free. I fully expected to be banned, as there was NO discussion about the current hot button community topic (paysites) and was not. On the other hand, she never responded.

:)

I am curious to see who she has on her blacklist, whether they are pro- or anti-paysites. I'd suspect they are pro, because SMB is a freesite. Or was.

So much drama for a community about pixel people and pixel dollhouses. Holy schnizz.

I didn't quote the entire message because I had so many sub-quotes my eyes were crossing trying to sort out the tags.

Anyway...



I'm fairly well-versed in Myers-Briggs/Jung types because I post on a fuckton of forums study abnormal psychology. However, I'm extremely skeptical of the system because of the high potential for error. To put it simply: people lie.

Now, MATY strikes me as having very few actual INTJs, which is one of the reasons why I found your initial comment hilarious (and because, frankly, it's a bit odd to casually mention in a thread completely unrelated to MB tests). I'm sure you know how common it is for people mis-attribute characteristics they perceive as positive to themselves that they don't actually possess. Bearing the INTJ label has become a mark of e-prestige and "intelligence," much the same as declaring one has Asperger's Syndrome; considering the degree of social pressure on MATY to at least seem more intelligent than the general populace, I call bullshit on a lot of the results.

Also, I've found the Myers-Briggs test to be a bit fickle in my case. I mainly score as either INTJ or INTP depending on my general level of contrariness at the time, and one version gave me ENFP. Which is... not my personality at all.



Really? There seems to be quite a bit of that these days. One of the reasons I don't post there is because of the adolescent sniping that's liable to break out in any thread, regardless of the subject matter; most of which seems to derive from conflicts that occurred quite some time ago and the participants are still butthurt.

Though, of course, this mainly applies to Retardoland. I very much appreciate the rest of the forum because I don't have to wade through pages and pages of fluffbunny nonsense for one small piece of information. And, well, I need my hacks.

As far as Pescado's concerned, he's definitely a combination of meeting the general criteria for the INTJ result and a master troll.

I love all Katy's little object mods, they've never borked my game. Never even when they were in the testing phase. All you had to do to find things was just like on Insim, go to the forums. Not the posts. I'm with you I tried not to download them right away, but would wait till the testing phase was over. She's the only one I know of that made new animations for the Sims and actually got them to work and look natural.

I thought we didn't put down freesites here or freesite creators? Is that not part of the FAQ? I'd like for even one person to tell me anything Katy has did to them that put them out, or said in a cruel way to anyone? She has always gone out of her way, even putting her own projects to the side to make things for people so they didn't have to go to paysites to get it. Even if it meant her learning something new. She's always shared her knowledge on how to do something, as well as taking people's objects with no credit to her and fixed them. She's always said I am not a mesher, so my meshes are horrible. She has nothing to do with them saying they need 400 a month to host the site. :(



I talked to Katy a lot in emails, they really screwed with her, and the site, driving up bandwidth. Hacking into the site. Jan would get it fixed and they'd do something else. That's the whole reason they wanted the paysite/freesite discussions stopped. Katy is pro-freesite, as well as several others there including the site founder.

I second what Aquamarine said. The drama and petty grudges that permeates just about every nook of that forum recently has been a major turn off. I'd much rather stay here and post with Crazy Jan than have to wade through all the snide crap that pops up in just about every MATY thread now.

I've gotten the opinion there are a lot of posers also, but it's also worth noting that the ones who stir the shit are the ones who aren't. The recent drama, for instance, apparently broke down nearly entirely along the T/F lines. Someone commented how sanity seemed to instantly return the moment those people had been run off, and that this was disturbing. The truth is, according to the polls, INTJs only polled as 20%, rather than the "majority" as Lorelei stated, but it's certainly and visibly a dominantly overrepresented faction. Also, stay out of Retardo Land, the Fs hang out there. If you're seeing the issue as being primarily a visibly Retardo Land issue, this is because Retardo Land is the MATY ghetto where we boot all the Fs.

I'm kinda weirded out with PC-Sims going down... one of my favorite car creators... TreZillah was on there with a couple of sweet rides. Katy had alot of good hacks there... the image quality wasnt the greatest... but I pick and choose on what I will run and what I will just comment about... Damn shame though, with the rate sites are diminishing... what's going to be left??? TSR, MTS2 & InSIM???

You realize, of course, that "sites going down" is NOT equivalent to "creators leaving"? Sites come and go with some degree of independence from the creators themselves. As for me, I pledge that as long as I live and breathe, the site will live on as long as we have funding. HAMTARO ADUN!

:( Gee I would just go there get what I need since the site is dying. Then, as far as creators, theres new creators popping up all over. I see new talent all the time! The problem is we have some in the community that are just psychotic and out to ruin the party! Katy this is the second time I know of her getting hurt by a site :(.

Three years ago my (at the time) boss went in a "team building" frenzy and as consequence we had an external company linked to CAPT testing 56 individuals. Last year 48 of them were re-tested. Somehow 29 had changed type. Curiously enough 5 of them changed all 4 factors. That made me wonder about the reliability of the testing process and I started reading about the MBTI subject. To the best of my knowledge, Ms Briggs and her daughter had no academic or scientific background. In particular I seem to recall that the only degree of Ms Myers was a bachelor on political science, I didn't find any reference about any kind of degree obtained by Ms Briggs. Note that Jung's theory of psychological type, the base for the whole MBTI theory, isn't taken very seriously either by modern psychology. IMHO the MBTI is as good as physiognomy or other types of folk psychology if you just need a conversation subject but I wouldn't use it for any practical purpose. Furthermore I find very interesting that many of the self-declared Is in MATY express themselves quite a lot :) and don't seem to follow the "reflect first, act later" pattern associated with the Is.

It's certainly possible that many people were near borderline to begin with. People don't naturally tend towards the extremes. It's also distinctly the case that a certain amount of test-taker bias exists, in which someone answers what they'd WISH to be instead of what they actually are. These people tend to have distinct self-loathing issues. I would imagine a good system would be for both you and some others who know you to take the test for you, and see how well the results correlate.

And many Is *DO* become more expressive...on the Internets, away from you know, actual people. It's easier to deal with people when you're not thinking of murdering them. And it is difficult to see how long someone has been reflecting when the only indication of life is when they post. If you put all these people together in an actual room, two things would happen: First, there would be this sudden, awkward silence. Then, more than half would proceed to pull out their axes and they would all kill each other until only a few remained.

This is why I prefer to have a one-man site.  No one can mess it up for me.  And I will never have to leave to get away from someone I have fallen out with :)

Yes, but then when a one-man site dies, it means someone takes their toys and goes home. :P

No more than if they were uploading to a shared site and left the community.

...and I didn't take my toys anyway if that's what you're implying  :|

That's actually quite interesting.

That seems slightly more realistic. I automatically assumed she meant 51% or more, which was just laughable, all things considered. Thanks for clearing that up.


It was a combination of Retardo Land being what it is and the fact that the drama centered around certain posters. I'd feel differently if the in-fighting   involved some fairly amusing personal insults, but catmacros and the harping over a single typo in someone's post gets old a bit fast.

Better not talk to me, I'm an F. I will bite your head of first and THEN MAYBE think about it while chewing  :lol:

Slightly off-topic, but not really...

Yesterday I spent a little over one hour making myself a nice, free Yuku board.
The links in my sig if anyone wants to check it out.

I uploaded files to mediafire, used photobucket for my pics.
Didn't pay a penny for the board, hosting etc...
And it took me just over one hour.
The only rules I ahve to follow are Yuku's TOU.

SO, my point is, it's very possible to just plain open up a 100% free site and not spend a freaking dime on it. I just did and it didn't even take that long.
So *PBBBT* to everyone who says it's too hard.

Alright, ya'll can go back on topic now...lol
Sorry.

Pescado wrote:

"It's easier to deal with people when you're not thinking of murdering them."

I'm painting this on a plank of wood and nailing it across my front door.  Full credit given, of course.

Ry - that's a great perspective you give.  I'm sure there are those that are just genuinely ignorant of such options, so they struggle instead of research...then they see TSR charging AND drawing ad income and...gah, TSR sucks!  What a shitty example they set.

Sorry.  I had something more sensible to say but it's gone now.   :oops:

Did you mean EZBoard Yuku? Or "yuku" yuku?

EZBoard can be evil. Very evil. Their free boards used to be an utter headache because the ad provider wasn't always the most conscientious about the quality of the ads, and every once in a while, you'd get a pop-up ad that turned out to have some nasty spyware or a virus. The last time, it took me quite a while to rid myself of one bit of persistent spyware that I managed to get while visiting a free board, and I just stayed away from free EZBoards for a while, period. And I HAVE a free EZBoard (now temporarily mothballed when we moved to another board service we liked better).

I've been to a free EZ board recently, though, and it SEEMS they've moved away from those horrible pop-up nightmares for a time. But I don't want to develop a false sense of security when it comes to EZBoard.
And their paid plans can cost a lot in the long run.

But there are some really good board services and board providers that don't wind up as much of a headache. AND they're free and pretty good when it comes to bandwidth. Many of the ones I like aren't  terribly popular, and aren't the usual PhpBB-style boards so many people favor. Support is decent, and the board is easy to maintain.

And I would have to agree with Inge and others about the benefits of a one-person smaller site if running a larger site seems unwieldy, time-consuming and expensive. Many smaller sites I like don't have tons of updates, but they do update regularly with a few updates a week, and focus on those, testing a few at a time. The boards to these sites are usually pretty simple and straightforward, with a minimum of "souvenirs, novelties and party tricks". Perhaps if SMB is to come back, that's what the new owner(s) and mods might want to consider. It would probably be cheaper and easier in the long run.

And they might indeed, want to keep that list of IP headaches on hand and ban those idiots who keep re-registering. I just hope that the list does indeed include real trolls who wreak havoc, rather than PMBD people who dared, once or twice, to suggest that paysites are evil. Those two groups aren't necessarily the same ones, though some site and board owners seem to think so!

The key to avoiding junk registration is not to demand registration. If you INSIST people register, even when they do not want to, you're going to get tons of throwaway logins that people will not remember when they pass by 3 months later. What's the point of this, other than to brag about your bloated membercounts?

Unfortunately I can't control the fact that you have to register to post, but I don't think you have to register to view....
And It's EZ Yuku.
I had an EZ forum, but it went out of gold...it just sits there now.
This Yuku forum has no ads or anything, though. Nada.

And I've only got 2 members...lmao. Me and Me Admin.  :lol:

I don't really care if people post, I just wanted a place for my stuff.
And to prove that although it may not be the best way to do things, It's free and it's there now and it didn't cost me a dime...just an hour or so of my time, so people can't complain they have no way to have a free site, because, well, not only are there people offering hosting, there are more creative ways to make your own site, too...like a forum or whatever.
Does that make sense?

No, no, Lorelei just posted hastily and didn't catch the wrong word choice.

What I meant was that the temperament type with the largest number of respondents claiming it was their MB type was INTJ which had approximately twice the votes when compared the second-most popular choice.

Or: INTJ had most votes, yo. Second place had far fewer votes than INTJ. I/T types overall seem to be predominant. For an MB type that is supposedly rare, more people claim to be this type than any other type (ant other individual type, not all 15 other types combined) by a roughly 2:1 margin.

I think there is a misunderstanding here.  I do not know how well you are familiar with More Awesome Than You, Pescado's other site.  Anything not created by the creators at MATY is considered non-awesome, despite what quality it may be.  I said non-awesome in quotes because that is not how I feel about her work.  I remember Pescado commenting on how Katy codes her objects and thought to include it in my comment, although extremely generalized to the point of nonrecognition, to balance out the praise of Katy.  Too much fluff, even here, gets people agitated.

You also reiterated most of what I said in the rest of your post so I hope this explanation clears up your doubts.



Did I say that?  I don't think I did so I don't know where you got that from..   :lol:

Gotcha.

And I love how there are 3-4 different conversations taking place in this thread right now.

What's better is that people are actually able to follow any or all of them without missing a beat!

Let's see.

I'm an ISTJ. Great. That makes me sound like I'd be a real pip at cocktail parties. I'd be constantly off in a corner staring at the guests. The other test mentioned on MATY, though, states I'm an ISTP. Well, three out of four of the traits match, I guess.

Yes, starting a board like that does make sense. It is, indeed, one way to show that if one wants to start a low-budget site because the cash flow is stagnant, one can.

No, Inge has not taken her toys and gone home.

And I think I missed a topic in this thread somewhere. Sorry.

Ah, yes. I missed the first topic in my own thread! (and I'm an ISTJ? Maybe I should take those tests again.) I actually liked the mods from SMB I did download: the beehive and the Cannabis mod. The beehive has a slight glitch when used with a particular ghost mod on MTS2. Nothing serious, but I found that if I wanted to use the ghost mod, I had to temporarily get rid of the beehive on the lot. When I got the Sim back to normal, I could put the beehive back.

The Cannabis mod just amuses me. I guess I'm easily amused. No problems that I can see.

I hope that Katy will find a new home soon. She had a lot to offer that was offbeat and fun.

Not you, you didn't say anything was borked or broken or crap. The first paragraph was just for you, to agree with what you said.

The second was to anyone that was saying her mods were junk, or borked, or crap. Which was the reason for the second edit, that I thought we didn't start crap about freesite owners/creators. Especially since I had just saw a Noob get the crap chewed out of them, in fact two for saying a freesite creator was making crap. It was so discouraged because we don't pay for it, that it was then made part of the FAQ we don't do that, here. The third was in response to someone else. I'm so cordinated. lol This is what happens because I don't want to double post. 3 times now! But, if I had put ETA you would have still thought I was addressing you, or no? I think it should say I edited that post 3 times.



If Katy posts at all it will be at SMB, I think. But after what they did to her, I'd be surprised if she posted at all, anywhere. She doesn't have a thick shell like some people do.

I wasn't mentioning you. I was just saying that single-creator sites tend to die in the "take their toys and go home" way, whereas shared sites tend to continue, albeit sometimes poorly, if someone takes their toys and goes home. The point is that the loss of a shared site is not equivalent to the loss of any given creator, whereas the loss of a single-creator site nearly always involves the creator flouncing.

But it's not the site that's important, it's the content.  If only one creator has their content at a site, and that creator decides to eliminate their content from the community, there is no extra loss in the site ceasing to exist.  It's the same loss as it would have been if they moved their stuff from the larger site - and a whole lot less hassle for the poor remaining staff who have to keep on answering questions about where it has gone.

Anyway, someone has offered the site free hosting now, so their problems could be over if they want them to be.  If they prefer to ask for $4000 instead of taking up the free hosting offer then I shall have my opinions about that :)

Here's hoping they accept the free hosting offer. I'd hate to think they were just after the $4000.

Katy said in a survey that once SMB closes, she will give up creating and will never re-surface again.

also...





As soon as SMB closes all of katy's creations will be lost

I have got a copy of the SMB rebel list. Please only share this wiht site owners. If they ask where they got the list. It wasn't me.

AbstractSIMmer187 (Travis187) swearwords and foullanguage, form mailer attacks, insulting of staff, MSN insults, rebel leader

feeEssen (fee) threatening, thread deletion, spy and rebel, threatening
with court, copyright violations, malicious behaviour, abusing of staff permissions to delete common property on SMB, blacklisted creator who tried to use SMB's work

Rebecah copyright violation, threatening, blacklisted creator who tried to use others work

Irma insults, abuse of privileges, bad reputation spam, rampage against Superadministrator, mutiny against staff

Ailias (MTS2 Hotpepper): Perma-Spam and rebellious rampages

SvetLanka (Svet) insults, instigation against staff, mutiny, rampage,
slander, lesbian contents & spam, responsible for the end of SMB made two Sponsors leaving, instigated many members against us, made poll with option "kill Katy" on portal site dollface (Emma Barret) insults, thread deletion, huge forum-global rampages, different attacks, responsible for the end of SMB

GuitarzRock2007 (Guitar / Jolee) insults, instigation against staff,
slander, giant rampages, responsible for the end of SMB

Worship4ever0227 (Rob) housing the rebels and promotion in staff


Tiya Marie (Tiyarn007 / Tiy) housing, supporting and backing the rebels and promotion in staff

xcrushterx (xxcrushterxx, David, crushter) insults, heavy attacks,
enforcing and blackmailing, responsible for the end of SMB

Nengi65 2x thread deletions and rampages

Smithycpl mutiny in staff, splitting of staff, background slander on
msn, enforcing and suppressing, made one Sponsor and one important creator leaving, removed two admins and made a big harm to the whole team

Hope this helps who-ever asked.

This is getting nuttier and nuttier. If they're all this crazy, good riddance. They may be free, but they sound like they seriously need a life. If Katy chooses to take her toys and go home, so be it.

Making a list of "rebels" is just too weird, and their list of "crimes" is quite bizarre. Perhaps English is not their first language and they don't realize what nutcases they sound like.

"Rebels"? "Mutiny"?  :lol:

It's the 'rampages' I'd like to see.  Poor person sounds like she's surrounded by...*cough*...pirates...er...

It must be the translation.   :wink:

I thought Katy and smithycpl were BFFs.

In fact, that whole list sounds like Katy V. The World. I recognize most of those names as being Big Name SMB creators / subfora owners from back when i used to visit the place. Weird!

Whut?

Curiouser and curiouser.

That place sounds nuttier than a squirrel nest.

Of all these he listed. David and Guitar are the one's I'd point fingers too. I think he just listed most of the others, because they played mokey see, monkey do. He's the one that sent out the threatening letters, with his friends. Got the others to join them in their little fights. I'm also willing to bet they're the ones that did the hacking also. If I remember right it was David and Guitar that also raised all the hell about Paysites/Freesites debate. Did all the threatening to Jan, everytime something didn't go their way. Picture Mikey on S2C, that pretty much sums up those two.

I've never seen any of them act the way they did on SMB on any other website, unless they're doing so under different names. The other one's above, Fee was before my time so I don't know what went on there. Nengi left the community so wanted all her stuff removed from all the sites. Not just SMB. I think she got fingered because she left at the same time they were pulling their stunts. Smithy was still there, but I didn't witness him causing any problems? I still believe he left because of all the silly drama and threatening. I didn't even know he had gone till Katy made the announcement. It's a soap opera. ;)



Pes not everyone is a superhero. Maybe you start a get a backbone program. ;) I would have booted those two nuts from my website first time they opened their mouths, instead of trying to appease them. Poof be gone. It was like Mikey and Chairman Greg incognito and they got a small group of people to do whatever they wanted. It really was like visiting a nuthouse for awhile, till they finally banned them.


They still are friends, as far as I know. You had to be quick, Jan was deleting threads like crazy, and started the they have to approve every thread rule. That's also why they made that wacky website about SMB.

feeEssen stole - yes stole  - several mods, meshes, etc.  Did not credit original creators, collaborated with other creators who did majority of the work and took all the credit.

smithycpl - I thought he left over a year ago.  Did he come back?

That actually was a really nice site, some of the names I am shocked to see on the "rebel" list.  Svetlanka, Tiya, Worship, were all mods and creators at one time and had their own sections.

The one thing that used to bug the shit out of me, was that you had to give all this praise to everyone to be able to have full forum access.  Pages and pages.  How about a thanks button?  No wonder their usage is so high with all the blinkies, sigs, special titles, and posts.  Sheesh - cut that crap out.

Mutiny? Rebellion? Damn, sounds like being caught up in a bad crossover fanfiction with it being Mutiny on the Bounty and Star Wars... And while I went there to get some things when I first got into downloading, I didn't like the fact that you had to kiss ass to get anywhere. I am not an asskisser.
Sure, I'll give compliments and praise, but it has to be deserved. If something is not to my taste, I'm not going to download it or give out compliments to stroke an ego that is already inflated. I prefer to deflate them when needed, that's why it's so much fun.
It's odd to see some well-known names, surprising to hear what went on. It just goes to show that no one is perfect or above using the work of others to get ahead. No, not everyone does it! Don't ever think I said that they do. But there are those who are always going to try to stand on someone's shoulders to get ahead of the crowd but eventually they pay for doing it... Karma can be a real bitch...

I'm not real sure about Smithy, like I said I didn't even know he was gone for good till Katy said something. I don't think some of them were involved, I think they just allowed themselves to get caught up in the mess. Tiya, Svetlanka, Worship. The problem Worship had was he got sick and took a leave of absence, or went on vacation I forget which. Let them watch his site/forum. That's when they posted that webpage about SMB, when he got back he removed it. Posted a big thing on there that, that sort of thing is not allowed on his site. Apologized, but it was too late. This has been going on for awhile, but those nuts are like LyricLee or Jan/Bev whoever she is today, they wouldn't let it go. Revenge. Look how many people LyricLee gets to join her in some of her wacky schemes to try and bring down Delphy, including people you'd think would have at least a tad bit of intelligence.

This sounds a bit unlikely.  Why would someone who has just stormed off from a site issue an edict that only that site must host their work?

 :lol:

Now none of this makes sense to me - wtf is going on?! And what has Fee done?!

Too much drama, not enough rum!

Inge, where did you read that or did I miss it somewhere?

EDIT:  Capn J - feeEssen caused a big scene because she was posting cc on her site that belonged to other creators with no credit.  Several creators, including Katy and Smitty, had helped her with several mods of cc that she posted and never acknowledged any of the work they put into it.  She also used custom meshes that she got from SMB and claimed as her own.

If I had not seen it personally at the time it occurred, I wouldn't repeat the above info.  She then went and deleted, without any notification, all of her items on SMB and acted like an utter child.

Once again, the cult of fake niceness rears it's two-faced head in the sims community. Maybe it's a good thing that some of these high-fructose sites are starting to disappear. That way they can make room for something, I don't know, real?

By Shan Ow on the previous page (I wish the post numbers showed then I could point you straight at it).  Shan Ow is also the person who posted on 3Fs asking for donations for them.

Snarky - if I wasn't married and you didn't have a boyfriend....Oooh La La big boy
 :D

Thanks, Inge.

Thanks ArmyWife! :)

Hmm...interesting.

Well I must say, SMB is actually too dramalicious for me  :roll: Looks like a right kafuffle..

I got tired of the "oh you're great" - "oh, you're my fav"  "ohhhhh beautiful"

I mean I like syrup with pancakes, not websites.

Right now, the only thing I'm getting whenever I try to access anything SMB-related is a 404 page.

And the more I'm reading about the headaches on this board, the more I'm still hoping that Katy would reconsider and move her creations elsewhere. Just walk away from it all and start somewhere else. I guess that's easier said than done, though. She invested a lot of time and energy into that board. It was easier for me when I walked away from a board in chaos ... there were only 50 people on it. But there might be something about joining a community where people respect her as a free creator, like Nouk's site. If Katy indeed refuses to consider any other options, then I'm not sure just how SMB is going to survive at all.

But in the end, that's her decision, I guess.

So I'm thinking that a lot of them must be relatives of Jan/Charlotte/etc
I think it's sad about Katy tho, I really liked her stuff.

pc-sims has been blocked by robots by the site owner


http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.pc-sims.com/

I was able to get all of this information because I was a top-member and four times featured artist on SMB. I recieved it all through e-mail from the site owners.

I actually really liked SMB and disagree with many of the comments here. for the record, the site wasn't that bad. What is wrong with kindness and encouragement???  The site was not just a site for great CC. It was a site where people could share there stories and experience.

and whats this about SMB being so nutty. They were doing nothing but protecting there site from people who were causing them trouble. The whole idea of the rebel list was to warn the community of the "bad" people.

I think what throws some people is the wording of the post. Words like "rebels" and "mutiny" can be charged with negative and often hateful associations for people, that's all. When things escalate like that, when they spiral out of control, it's hard to believe and a person's normal reaction is be taken aback, shake their heads and say, "man, that's flipping nuts!" Then again, we all react differently. I wasn't around when this all happened, so for me it is history. History for those who are reading about it for the first time, can often inspire that kind of reaction. I was the same when I read about what was done during the French Revolution. Also, we all like to think that we would not react the same way if put into the same situation so it can be a way of distancing one's self from it. I hope to God I'm never put in the middle of something like that, but things all around us change daily and we never know where we are going to be from one hour to the next...
It can be hard to deal with when everything is sweetness and light, too. Some folks are more conservative when it comes to doling out the praise and encouragement, and at times maybe they thought that some of it was over done. Life as a general rule is hard and full of struggle and strife, from the day we are born. It's what makes us evolve and grow. At times, it is like we try to encase people in candy floss (cotton candy) and keep them from seeing flaws and mistakes or from being hurt that we don't like their work. I don't critisize free stuff because the makers really try to make something terrific because they love the game and want to share their vision of what is nice. Paysiters, on the other hand, just have visions of bucks in their heads and many of them make what is pure spun shit.
I have no doubt that mistakes were made, feelings were hurt and tears were spilled during that time. I have no doubt that it's still going to happen. All I can do is be there when someone needs to laugh or an encouraging word. I'll either do it at the top of my voice, or in a whisper depending on how it needs to be delivered. But I'm not going to spin them a candy dream because I refuse to allow fantasy become a way of life for anyone. And no, I'm not saying that Katy was living a fantasy, but I am saying that I can't pretend that I live in a gingerbread house and I say nothing but sweet and soothing words. Plenty of people here would tell you that some of what I say is pretty acid, but not always. I'm just saying how I see it. You can do one of two things. Believe that I'm being sincere, or think that I'm blowing hot air up your ass. Your choice.

I've never been to the board so I can't comment on it but the whole rebels list thing plus this which was on the circumstances pages (my bolding):



Leaves a bit of a bad taste.

I find it utterly unfair to advocate banning someone for something they did on another site (warning people about them I'm meh about) but someone should only be banned from a board due to their actions on that board. If not we're just on a slippery slope towards the thought police.

WOW!!  that did sound pretty sincere!!  from a pirate, im impressed. In essencials, you are right and I am beggining to see where you are all coming from.

BUT, that doesn't mean that I agree.

I research rebels, mutinies, and revolutions rather regularly. Seeing those terms applied seriously to some web kerfuffle over pixelated dollies makes me utterly discount anything the person using them has to say. (This may not always be fair, but we all have our buttons.) People died en masse during the French Revolution; an entire society was turned on its head; it changed Europe, and the world, irrevocably. It's normally held to be the beginning of the 19th century. It was deeply important -- web drama isn't.

Mutiny against whom? You had a captain whom everyone was supposed to obey unquestioningly unless that captain seriously transgressed his or her duty? Rebellion against what? Oy, the humanity!

Trying to blacklist people also leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. It only furthers the drama.

In conclusion: those people all need more rum and sensual pirate massages.

First, you are entitled to your opinion, as we are to ours.  I don't think the site was bad, and I don't think it is wrong to give encouragement or praise, but to have this be a requirement to achieve certain types of membership privileges/badges causes it to be a requirement to compliment, not a genuine reaction.

I agree that it was a great site to make friends and get to know people, I at one time had a membership that had some ranking as well.  I liked many of the people that posted and were members to include Jan, Katy, and Hope.  However, RL does not allow someone to givei 3-4 hours a day just to mod for free at a board.  Rebels does not quite describe what occured either.  How about trolls?  But, extreme drama words like mutiny, etc. cause those who did not participate or have no knowledge of the inner workings of the site to observe that the drama was out of hand.

Neriana - I agree  :D

Here's why I categorize this whole thing as insane:

1. The claim of needing $4000 and extreme moderation hours - both are outrageous, considering the size and expectation of SMB.

2. The clear 'taking my toys and going home' messages - sorry, those are six-year-old actions.

3. The list provided here that names names and their crimes - good lord, who the fuck CARES? That you listed people that most of us have never heard of and the drama-queen indictments shows insanity.

4. Any time a forum is overrun with Thanksthisisgreat!!111 posts, sticky-sweet commentary, and expectations of BBFs, you can smell the impending implosion. It's worse than the Southern belle who says the words "well bless your heart" and means "eat shit and die" - it leads to hate, backbiting, rancor, and the so-called rebellion.

Frankly, if the creators or even the owner of SMB wanted to stay open, they'd have found free venues and a way to work together. In my mind, this is the product of too much simultaneous ass-kissing and back-biting. Better yet, they'd make it a closed forum, for downloads only and be happy with it.

Insane.

Sorry, ShanOw, but I think that if you want sympathy, show us the earnest, looking for a real solution, creating for the love of the game not the love of adoration SMB person.

Hey Hec - bless your heart, nice post  :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist.  It's  that southern belle in me that sneaks out in and has her wicked way. However, it cracked me up what you wrote, so true.   :lol:

You nailed it right on the head Hec. I loved SMB. I'd donate 4 hours a day to help them out, I sit here with my grandbabies all day. So what else I got to do? I just realized I have such a boring life, can I cause some drama? lol Well except for when I want to travel, have to go to Yellowstone every year, or go camping for the weekend I have to have breaks too.

A lot of the drama could have been prevented with this is our board, these are our rules, you don't like it? Bye-bye. They try too hard to appease everyone and that never works, not in RL, and never on the internet. When that drama first started instead of changing the rules to make the few happy, which made more people unhappy, they should have nipped it then and there. Instead there was this new rule to make that person happy, then another new rule, etc...etc. When they started making threads acting like cracked out space monkey's they should have banned them and said don't come back. It's our board, not yours.

Gee, does that seem to have the implication that I'm picking up that you don't think that a PIRATE can be sincere, that they would know what the word even means? I'm insulted. Just because they call us pirates, doesn't mean that we are without honour. Did you even BOTHER to read my fucking signature? Maybe I oughtta post the whole damn song so you can see what is really meant... *narrows eyes and decides to go get a soda and calm down before blowing her cork, she has a blog for that kind of shit*

Hell, ALL of the Gilbert and Sullivan operettas are about honor.

I don't understand how



is reconcilable with

Paden,
Im very sorry for what I have said. You have a right to be angry at me. I was jumping to conclusions and from now on will religeously read everyone's signature.

Yes, the site was a little out of hand and what they are saying is a bit "unbelievable" BUT, who can honestly tell me that they have never exaggerated something before in their life.



And whats this crap about me looking for sympathy, I posted there so-called "rebel list" and presented you with FACT about the going ons in there site. Where did I ever state that you should all feel sorry for me etc...etc...  Big deal if I don't agree with the opinion of one person.



I agree with this. The site should have stayed open for the public BUT I also believe that there is no point for a site to stay open if the whole community finds a way to discredit them at every mention of there name.

So, what harm is there in protecting a site I enjoyed being on, I don't see what you people make such a fuss over. Just because I liked the site doesn't mean I am a "SMB Person"

I'm an SMB person I want it back. ;) I don't mind all the badges, etc...99.9 percent of the people over there are a great group of people, since they banned the others. So it makes up for the little things for me. I just wish Jan had nipped all this when it first started instead of making more and more rules. I think he would have been much happier, and the board wouldn't have had so many problems. I believe someone has now offered them free hosting. Hopefully they will accept the offer and return. Or at least I hope Katy and Hope return to creating.

It's September 10th and the site has been "deleted". The main site link redirects you to a generic 404 page with the url: http://www.pc-sims.com/smb/deleted.php
In my experience with hosts, they do not redirect people from the front page of a site if they remove the site due to the hosting bill not being paid. They also don't set up specific "deleted.php" pages for said redirect. The host just removes the site and you get a generic "Server Not Found" message or a generic search engine. I'm thinking the site is actually still there but hidden behind the redirect and the redirect page is named "deleted" as a "You'll lose the site/downloads if you don't take me seriously" ploy. What a load. This also leads me to believe that the site owner had a hand in all that drama that got those creators listed on the site's blacklist.

Does anyone know who they were hosted by?

I was willing to negotiate around what got on my nerves with SMB: the endless blinkie titles, huge signatures, etc. I also can play nice if that's what a board requires. Remember, leaving feedback like "this hack doesn't work or borked my game" was frowned on. SMB cut itself off from any constructive criticism like their dreadful search option, the difficult log ins and frustration at trying to find the download in the midst of distracting, pointless graphics. Their good content was buried under their lousy interface. But they really went over the top with their dramatic closing. I probably would have been willing to support them if they hadn't come off as crazy.

Don't take the confrontation you get here too seriously. The phorum is like that, people don't feel the need to sugar-coat anything. I find it refreshing, but if you're used to boards like SMB, it's probably a little shocking.

May I ask a few questions? Why does EVERY site need to have a forum connected with it? It seems as if the forums are the reasons many sites go off the air, so to speak. It is asking for trouble.

If this were MY site, I would put up the download, enable feedback on it, like Amazon.com does, and if I HAD to chat with the contributors and mods I would do it on a private forum, not open to the public. Think of the bandwidth it would save.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry has this bizarre need to "create a community." What the hell for? Most of your visitors only want the downloads.

That is why I love the Booty. No need to register...who cares who you are? And you don't have to interact with the crazies, the whiners and the demanders.

SMB would do better to become a downloads only site, and get on with their lives.

All that database-driven stuff certainly makes a site noticeable on the hosts' servers.  Hosting with "unlimited" bandwidth and disk space usually does not offer unlimited processor and database server capacity to match.  You can't beat good old html pages for slipping beneath your hosting radar.

I have Stefen's email addy if that helps any? But I think you could get that on the first notice. He's the one that started the board.

Duckie your right, they enabled them to act the way they did and continue in making more drama. They weren't part of it in any other way trust me, I was there. But, they cuddled and cooed them everytime there was something they didn't like, that they demanded be changed. Whenever, things didn't go their way. Another rule, another rule, too keep them happy. This rule changed, that rule changed and on and on. Even if it made everyone else unhappy. I thought women liked Drama till I joined the Sims community. Seems to me every major drama that has gone on has a couple women and the rest are men. Look at the Save the Sims community. We have Greg, Mikey, Thomas, Josh, Suzy and Lyric Lee. On SMB it was 2 men David and Guitar. On Insim Squinge, Beos, Greg. Notice a pattern here Greg. I wouldn't be surprised to find out later that Guitar or David was in fact Greg. Like spoiled children, I want it my way. If I can't get it my way, I'll just cause drama and reek havoc. I'm not saying we women don't have our share of drama as well, our's is usually on the nutty side, but nothing like what these men have caused and I don't understand that at all. Then look what happens when the nuttiest women meet up with the most power hungry men in the community. All they need is Jan over on Save the Sims and the funny farm will be complete. I hope Josh gets himself out of that mess, I really like him, even when he's being a pain. But I think like Worship he's allowed himself to get caught up in it.

All eyes on..............................SNARKY!  

You put one toe out of line Snarky, as one of the only guys to come here consistently, and I'll have you.  :D

Actually, I think it's only usually the arrogant chauvinists who get into the drama.  They see the need to shepherd this community of women around as if we were 2 year olds, who need to be potty trained - that's why they all grate us so damn much - it's the condescending old fart taking your elbow and pointing you towards where he wants you to be.  :x

I have a few of Katy's things in my game--they suited my purposes.  But, like the poster on SFV, I went to MTS2 to maybe pick up a few more items and found this on every one of her downloads that I checked:

Empty tread. Delete that. You all didn't deserved anything.


Talk about having a fit and taking your toys and going home! Though I never corresponded with her directly, she reallly didn't seem like that kind of a person in the posts I read of hers.

That comment was just downright rude and belittled every simmer who ever downloaded anything of hers.

She did all that in July, I believe? Not just on MTS2, but everyplace she posted. Went through her posts and put that up. She worded it wrong, from her translation. She never meant it how it sounded. That was when she asked if some people would be willing to create some things exclusively for SMB. If people would be willing to say that their things could stay on SMB if or when they left in a section for retired creators. It was mostly so those that wanted to learn wouldn't have to try and search out a creator to get a link to a mesh. If they recolored it. Or if they went to a paysite, the mesh would still be free for those on SMB, etc...etc. Then got a whole lot of drama because she was still posting on other sites. So she said she would remove all her things from other websites and create exclusively for SMB. That if she left her things could stay on SMB and she wouldn't create for any other website. It kinda defeated the purpose of what she was trying to do, which was keep others from packing up their toys and going home. But got accused of not wanting to do it herself because she was still posting on other sites. So then when she does, it ends up her doing that to other sites, which caused even more drama. A vicious circle. ShanOw or Armywife can correct me here if I have the dates wrong, but I believe that's when she did that and why. Like I said they tried too hard to appease people, and it caused more harm than good in the end as we can now see.

That is beyond childish and stupid. Good riddance is all I can say.



Sorry, I'm having a hard time swallowing that. No one told her how dreadful she sounded? When you put all the pieces together, SMB was a seriously messed up site. Apparently, she pulled at least one of her creations (a taxi) after Sep 5th as this was posted on that date:



Her last activity was on Sep 7th.

Nope. She did that 3 days ago:



You can see that first hand here (http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=160873).

Gag. I hope she stays gone. She's right: we don't deserve her.

Oh wow, your right. So then what did she delete when she was doing all that talk about asking people to create some things exclusively for SMB. She said she was going to do that then. There was even a big post about it in her section. That she was only going to create for SMB, if she left SMB she wasn't going to create for any other site, etc...they even asked all of us to promise the same thing. That we would never ask SMB to remove our things, and if we would be willing to create some things just for SMB. This means she did all that when SMB went down. I never would have pegged Katy for acting like that, and why is she blaming MTS2 for what happened? They had nothing to do with it. That is not the way to get/gain support for SMB. Thank you Duckie, I would have gone on believing she did all that back in July? when she said she was going too. She won't get my support anymore, if that's the way she feels.

ETA: I just checked on Hope, she hasn't posted anything there since Aug, so I got the dates right. I wonder if she's going to delete all her stuff next and leave a nasty gram.

Before the closing of SMB, Katy actually retired from creating. She said she will no longer give to the community. As for hope, She hasn't posted anywhere lately but I have seen her on Exnem.

Katy left SMB so I don't think she gives a crap about the site. She is probably just pissed off at the whole community

Whatever she may have said one time about her stuff only being for SMB she's hardly likely to feel the same way now she's stormed off from the site.   I can believe she's taken her toys away altogether, but I can't believe she still feels she would like us to have them from SMB exclusively.

hey, If SMB never comes back would it be possible to set up a Katy_76 booty. I know its not the point of this site but it is still a worthy cause.

That's for sims 2 graveyard - not the booty.

First, I'm sorry Katy went through so much. I do sympathize with that.

However, if you are saying that almost anyone would do what she did at MTS2, deleting her creations and insulting the entire community, I vehemently disagree. I've been caught up in web drama before myself, and I know it's not pretty. I've learned how to avoid it (I hope). But even when I was the most insulted and hurt, it never even occurred to me to delete anything I had made. Nor did I ever start thinking that everyone in a community was rotten, or that they all deserved to be insulted the way Katy insulted everyone with that post at MTS2. Her issues weren't even with MTS2 in the first place.

I understand leaving a community, deciding not to create for it, deciding not to deal with it any longer. I do not understand taking all your toys and going home in a hugely insulting dramatic gesture. When someone does something like that, I think they were way too caught up in a virtual "community" based on a game. Leaving was probably the best move for Katy, but I cannot pretend to approve of the way she did it.

I can.  The people at SMB did something nasty, and so she punishes the whole sims community by leaving them nasty messages when they go to find a mesh?  Not cool.

I would think that everyone else is just as unforgiving here - anyone from this phorum that ventures elsewhere is vilified beyond belief.  I don't like being called a liar, thief, destroyer, unethical, morally bankrupt, hero wannabes, cocky, hypocritical, witch-hunting harridans, bully, harasser, disgusting, conspirator and sheep - many times by free creators who are the nastiest bastards.  

There is not one person here who hasn't be vilified, just for their beliefs.  Nouk doesn't even fileshare, and some of these epithets were directed at her.  And if you've noticed, there are plenty of creators here who haven't pulled their content.

The problem with making a big stinking production about leaving the Sims community, is that it makes it awfully difficult to return when you have changed your mind. This Katy could have more easily just faded away. Stop posting everywhere and stop uploading your files. Simple and neat. Then when you have gotten over your childish snit, you can come back and everyone will be glad to see you. Going all over the place and deleting your posts and leaving nasty messages in their place is childish. In fact, if she wanted to delete all her content from sites, the message she should have left was, "Retired. Thanks."

I can only speak of what I experienced at SMB.

Shortly after joining SMB I was uploading some houses.  One lot in particular was rejected because of violation of cc items.  I disagreed with the mods and tried to prove my case.

It was here, in my opinion, where SMB was not run well by Jan Deni.  I talked directly with Jan, in several conversations via messenger.  I gently tried to prove that the cc in my house is OK to share and gave him links to prove that.  He has to go by what his mods decide and I respect that, but what I didn't respect is he admitted to me he was afraid to approach them with anything that might make them unhappy.

In the end, I relented and did not pursue the issue.  I was happy that the same lot with all the same content was approved at MTS2.

A few weeks later Katy pmed me and on behalf of SMB she apologized for any trouble and if I would immediately upload that same house with the same cc she would approve it now.

I gained a lot of respect for Katy after that, and to me it looks like she is another victim here.  I feel sorry for Jan and tried to help him, but folks, I never was impressed at the way he tries to deal with things.

I am also active on another website where some banned SMB members are, and non-banned.  Because of Jan's rules, we have had to be very careful of anything we say on that site...that's where "housing rebels" and "staffing mutiny" etc come in.

There are sooooooo many great people I got to meet over there, but it makes me wonder...when everyone else left or was banned, what was their beef?  I only know what Jan told me, and that makes me wonder more.

Before the site closed I would go there every couple of days just to see if there were any new rules or ridiculous accusations that were posted.

Another member tried to upload something there, and was rejected because of violations of cc.  (Rightly so.)  But instead of acting in a mature manner, this member raged and now is banned.  And, from what I understand, because she mentioned names in her rage, those members whose names were mentioned were also banned, and then new rules were posted at SMB to justify the bannings.

If SMB re-opens, I know I will not be welcome there anymore because of this posting.  I'm very sorry that Jan, who was running SMB, is having such a hard life, but really, he has no one to blame for all this mess except himself.  I tried to help him and that's why I didn't boycott them as asked by friends.  The whole thing saddens me, and always has.  Yesterday I reread the conversations I had with Jan, and am hoping and praying he will find happiness and that the other members can reunite.

I've been on staff at many forums and the one thing that people forget is that everyone thinks differently and deals with things in different ways.
If you have 50 mods on a board, all of those people are going to think that certain things should be approved/whatever and it will be different from the next guy.
In order to own a forum and run it the way YOU want it run, you have to do all the shit yourself.
If you can't handle it, then a site would have been a much better idea.
It seems to me that Katy should have closed the forum and just opened a nice free site. Then all the strife caused by "mutiny" and whatnot would have been solved.

Being "fragile" is often a manipulative ploy. People sometimes use this, not even realizing what they are doing. Everyone has to walk on eggshells, fluctuating between rage and pity.

I'm sorry Katy and Jan had trouble in their lives, but everyone has trouble. The internet is not the best place to work out these problems. You don't get excused when you throw a tantrum and insult people because your life is hard. Katy has burned her bridges for a while. She could have left without doing that.

Enforced niceness is death to a forum. When you aren't a strong leader, others fill the vacuum. Add to that a language barrier and poor web design that frustrates users, and disaster is inevitable.

Honestly, I can understand why Katy would be hurt. It is no fun when you do something nice for a group of people and several of them bitch, moan, nitpick and stab you in the back. It doesn't matter whether it's Sims-related or not. No one likes that.

I can understand that she is sensitive. So am I, to an extent. (If I were TOO sensitive, I'd better not be here, of all places!)

But one thing I learned waaaaaaaaaay before the Internet was even a reality in most peoples' homes, one my mother told me, one many peoples' mothers and fathers told them, was that before you lash out at people who never should be on the receiving end of your anger, take a walk. A nice long bath. A break. A vacation. Count to ten again. And again. And again.

I can understand her anger. I can understand her hurt. But she has no right to swipe at innocent people who had nothing to do with the conflict. Being hurt does NOT give her a "get out of jail free card".

Many people did really like her creations. I know I enjoyed seeing what she came up with next. I did thank her, and posted posts expressing my appreciation for what she did. So many others did, too. While she is storming against those who hurt her ... and I don't know of people who wouldn't be ... she should remember those who did really like her mods, and responded with tact and gratefulness.

She might have wanted to follow Kathy's classy lead at Insimenator. Kathy has told people there that she is fed up with certain BS there, and needs to take a break from Insim. NO "royal flouncing". No snits. No "take my toys and go home" attitude. Just an honest, heartfelt, undramatic, simple declaration: "I need a break. I'm not quitting. But I need a rest from all this".

Note the responses to her post, as opposed to the responses here. People can understand that if someone is truly pissing you off, you are not going to want anything to do with them for a while. But tarring everyone with the same brush? Is that acceptable behavior in other cultures?

I agree with those who still say that it might have been prudent for Katy to just take a long break, leaving a short, but not nasty message. Staying away from SMB, since it seemed to have been causing her a lot of stress, and one does not need that much stress in one's life. Then after a break, perhaps quietly sneaking a mod or two onto Inism or MTS2 or Dinnerbell. She would probably be received with lots of fanfare from true appreciators of her work. Now, people are just stunned and hurt.

I just hope that one day, she can let go of the anger and get back to participating in the Sims community for the fun of it. It seems that there has been a lot less fun all around as of late. :(

She didn't insult everyone by removing her posts, she insulted everyone by saying:



Direct link: http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=160785&goto=lastpost

She could have done what Kathy did, said she needed a break and left her stuff in place. (Best choice)

She could have done what Squinge did and pulled everything. (Better than what she did) It would have ended up in the Sims Graveyard, everyone would have rolled their eyes, but not been as angry as they are now.

She chose to slap all her supporters in the face. All her things will end up in the Sims Graveyard anyway and it will be a long time before she is welcome in the community again.

ETA: She seems to have removed her posts entirely now. Hopefully she realized that it wasn't a good idea to insult everyone. She also disabled her PM's. I shudder to think what kind of angry stuff she was getting there. I hope she pulls herself together. It's probably best for her emotional state to leave in any case.

I have never said I couldn't understand Katy's anger, frustration, etc...I too was a member of SMB, and witnessed what went on there. I would have banned their funny butts immediately and anyone that wanted to go with them. I also agreed to all Katy's/Jan's terms. I posted they can keep everything I have made when I leave. I don't do tantrums. I may loose it from time to time, but then I apologize and if I feel like I did too much damage I just go on my merry way. I also don't do the revenge thing, I think that's childish. I would never have removed everything I made no matter how angry I was from SMB. I gave my word, and a person is only as good as the word they choose to keep.

Katy knows many of us that were on SMB were also on MTS2. I never searched her threads on MTS2 because I always got them on SMB. What she said was not just a slap in the face to those who angered her, it was a slap in the face to all of us. Including those of us who supported SMB, and who thought they were her friends. Recently I have been working with Katy to try and build affaliates for SMB. I told her to go and talk to Inge, she has a wealth of knowledge that can help out. I've been helping her and some of the other members to get her stuff up on some of the finds lists, anyplace we could think of. Not our stuff, hers. Because of what she's been through, and because  her stuff deserved some of the spotlight. Oh well, I'm done. I'm not going to donate or even go back to SMB if they come back, they can keep my stuff up or remove it. I gave my word and I stand by it.

You know I've been playing Sims for a long ass time, been downloading for a long time now too. I download my shit, dont say a word unless its extremely exceptional (which is very rare, im a heartless bitch like that) or the latest WCIF on Sims 2 Community. I stand firm and true that it should all be free and paysites need to die a firey death but after reading this entire thread I've come to the conclusion that people that play the Sims are CRAZY!

I've been to the site discussed SMB and found it utterly worthless, horrible searching, useless crap and what seemed like a bunch of 13 year olds which too much time on their hands after huffin.

So what Katy took "her toys and went home" I'm sure somebody more talented will come along and remake/improve. So what Katy got some feelings hurted (yes I meant hurted) on the internets, so what Katy was fragile/sensative/naive or whatever else you want to call it. All be it sad (if true) what does that have to do with creating content for a game? Nothing. Sure you make friends, sure you enjoy the comments (which I agree with above posters, it was all too syrupy sweet), but dont let it get to you, dont let these fake people sitting at their comp build you up only to let you down. Some people thrive off drama, they are only happy when they see you miserable, know this from experience.

I see this as one more in the long line of sites before and after to fail and I'm sure Katy will be back, seems to me from her little temper tantrums and emo-ness she wont be able to stand it to stay away for too long. But the whole point of my middle of the night (going on 5am here) post was to just say this.. you peoples are nuts and entertaining and I love your viciousness from the bottom of my black and tiny little heart.

 :shock: aaaaaaa-men!!!

I don't think that Katy ever will return. She stated that she would throw in the towel months ago.

And if anyone want any katy CC, i will gladly share it (I have 99% of here files)

Try contacting sims graveyard keeper via their website.
That way everyone can enjoy her things, not just us pirates. :)

Since SMB was not a paysite, her things don't really belong in the booty. ;)

Nouk can help you with that or Wicked Sims I just saw where she was asking for the stuff for the graveyard. Since most of us are still around guess we should just send Katy's stuff. Hex and Hope are still on MTS. Your still here, I'm still here. I think most of us are. No reason to send our things.

Hawkgirl, I got your PM, if there is anythink else you want send me another message.

Ps. could someone get me in touch with Nouk so this Katy graveyard can be organised

Send Nouk a pm here or sign her guestbook on her site.

Good ridens to Katy she is a total nut case!  I've never used others work without giving credit nor did I ever threaten her.  I can't remember what other slanderous statements you have, but you may notice that all the people she slanders are creators and Katy was threatened by them and insane with jealousy.   Katy also banned people from her board that she stole work from so they wouldn't know, I understand these people were not able to understand the English language that why Katy had SMB as english.  Katy was the founder of SMB and the acutal controller.

I could go on and on about these nuts but I will just say what goes around comes around, and Thanks God the nut is gone.

All of Katy's empty threads have been removed from MTS2. I reported the post and they were all removed.

I sent you another PM. You can also just go here fill it in and tell them you have all Katy's things for the graveyard, and ask where they'd like them sent. One of them will contact you back. I'll get all mine zipped up as well. NOUK! Where you want us to send these things? Send us a PM. :)

http://wickednoukfamily.com/

Oh PS Do you have the ready for army stuff? I don't know how much of that set I have. :(

you guys, it says on the graveyard where to send the files. on the about page.
files@sims2graveyard.com

Thank you :) Should have paid better attention instead of just looking for who to contact.

SMB was very drama evilness!   I have to comment to ArmyWife that if you were to read the horrible PM's that were sent to feeEssen, I think you would be more understanding.  I personally know Katy is cruel, viscious and very self centered.   Katy had 0 meshing skills and I find it hard to believe that feeEssen took anything of Katy's to repost anywhere mesh wise.  SmityCPL did most of the meshing until something happened between him and Katy.    

Please consider the source of this information, and realize that the source may not be mentally right.

I'd like to see a place we can warn others about boards like SMB.  I'd loved to have been able to warn creators not to post on SMB as if they got too good at it Katy would strike them down one way or another.

I think what Katy did was by far more childish that what feeEssen did and Katy hurt people that had done nothing to her.

I have the song from the Wizard of Oz keeps coming in my head while reading this thread.  "Ding Dong the witch is dead the wicked witch is dead."

Hello Rebecah,is it you?Becky from the valley?In this case,I offer you a bottle of rum!

Hi Carolus,

Yep it's me.

Thanks Carolus!

First of all let me just say i am very unhappy that Jan or whoever did this made this blacklist.
I am even more unhappy about the fact that my name is in it, but i do want to say a few words here about why i left there!

Let's start with the begin.
I was a creator at MTS2 and i was the one who asked Katy_76 if she was interested to create together with me.
I saw her stuff there and i really wanted to mesh for her, but she declined very politely at first.
After a month she pm'd me to ask me to join her site and become a creator and team leader for the creators there.
I visited the site and said yes to join under the condition that her and i would work together.
She agreed with that and so we started creating together.
Most of the time we talked by pm's there but i asked her to put up a msn account, and we chatted daily with each other.
More and more we grew towards each other and at one point we did became emotionally involved and had a crush for one another.
I think regulars at pc-sims did noticed this in the way we posted on the site to each other, but she did asked me to try to keep it a secret.
For her it wasn't that hard but for me it sure was, because i did wanted the whole world to know.

Something nobody can deny is the fact that i did putted all my energy in that site, aswell as Katy did, but somehow that wasn't enough for Nattymarvel who was admin, he started to see troublemakers everywhere and asked me to become the forumadmin and check out everyone and every uploaded content.
I declined at first but then Katy asked me to do it, so i did started to make many checks there.
I suddenly didn't had time anymore to create and was full time reading every post and checking every content that was posted there.
Still Natty was growing more and more paranoid and YES i do am responsible for him leaving.
But the way it happened was beyond imagination.
Someone who was close to Katy and Natty because they knew each other privately also, had uploaded some content with Maxis copyrighted material in it, so i deleted that upload.
That made that creator/staff member leave and Natty was so mad he left also.
But he didn't leave before formating the entire site.
Luckely for us we had a backup on the server and where able to regain most what was lost, but still needed a new admin who knew how to code.
After 2 days sponsor Stephan found Jan Deni and he was able to put us back online a week later.
I was demoted to again team leader because i made Natty leave and wasn't happy about that at all, but i did accepted it.
After that Katy and i started to create again together but things weren't the same anymore as before.
I did became again a forum admin there, by working hard for that site and i gained bit by bit again Katy's thrust in me.
But after a while Jan Deni also started to get so paranoid just like Natty did and i even still to this date believe that he and Natty are the same person.
He made me again do so many checks on people and the content that was uploaded, just like before and even worse.

Yes they did on SMB had ridiculous rules, most i never agreed with, but i had accepted them because i didn't want to loose Katy.
Yes we only featured what was exclusively uploaded on SMB only.
Yes we did made life uneasy for the ones who made sometimes a mistake by sending pm's in rude ways.
But i can assure u i never fully 100% backed them and i guess i was the only one who questioned sometimes our rules and the way of acting towards offenders.
Questioning the way our admin and rules worked doesn't make me a bad person i think.
I think that went out of hand and a few suddenly turned against me.
I had the option to stay there as a normal creator and Katy would never work with me again or simply leave.
I chosen the 2nd one and left immediately.
I also sended a pm on MTS2 towards Daisies to ask her if i could reregister at MTS2 under another name there and explained her why.
She agreed and even tho Smithycpl still exists on MTS2 i now do create under another name (i will not say what name it is to avoid pm's there).

Why and what happened in the meantime on SMB and why they closed i don't really know because i never visited that site anymore.
I just joined here because a friend of mine told me that my name was on a blacklist that was spreaded by SMB through e-mails.
Normally i would not even think about posting this here but if they write such lies about me and others then i feel i have a right to reply.

Writing this reply hurts me much more as u can imagine, and i am sure i will get angry replies and mails for it but i don't care.
I hoped even to never use the name Smithycpl ever again but this blacklist just made me so furious that i had to say this.
I see so many names on that list that where friends, top creators and ex-staff members and seeing them being made bad, just makes me sick to my stomach.

Also a reason i wanted to post in short my story here is not to clear myself but those other names on that list from any wrongdoing.
Spreading such a list shows the true nature of a person, and i think strongly that the end of SMB is triggered by a few things.
- Money: We always had trouble with the costs because the database was so huge and bandwide was really big.
- Jan Deni: because he was so paranoid and wanted staff members check everything and every content all the time 24/24.
He also banned many people there for very small violations.
I think staff after a while gets tired and leaves one at a time.

Now all of that said, i did loved that site and Katy and i did had many great times there, but even more there where days that i simply hated myself for doing what they asked.
I do hope for Katy that SMB returns but i do hope it happens with a nice admin and not one who sees hackers, spammers and troublemakers in everyone.

You know what? We don't know anything about another site's "blacklist" or whatever you call it. This site and these people just have no reason to have an interest in that sort of thing.

Sure, we gossip, but we're up front about it. We don't harass people or send them PMs, or ban or do anything underhanded.

Please read the FAQs for a more coherent explanation of what we do here. And welcome aboard.

You are warned, however, that we are NOT gentle with Newbies, and don't deal well with people who are delicate and sensitive. Develop a thick skin if you plan to linger here. We don't pull our punches. But we're tons of fun!

Have some rum, me hearty!

Maybe i didn't explain myself full, sorry about that, but someone posted in this thread in a reply that blacklist but i am not saying u guys supported that list! :)
I only replied here my experience at that site because a few here where also members there and where even in staff, i only said my part of it all and i do hope that people who read it don't judge those names immediately on what is written in that list, because 90% in it is way out of proportion and untrue.

I do have a thick skin so don't worry. ;)

Please see this:
http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?p=53924&highlight=#53924

The black list is on the top of that page!

Yeah, and we had no idea why we got to see that blacklist. I don't think we asked for it (well, the Royal We didn't...maybe someone did).

We're just the audience for this drama...kinda like the Jan drama happeining over in the Main Street thread.

You know, I think we should offer popcorn with every membership. This is better than television.

I like extra butter movie time popcorn or some melted caramel on mine please.

Smithy, everyone knew you and Katy were involved, you'd have to be blind not to notice it. Even if you all tried to keep it private. I never posted that little bit of information here because I figured it was none of my business. Plus, I hadn't realized you had left till Katy made the official announcement. But, I never witnessed you bothering/harassing anyone and I believe I said that? If not, I'll say it. I never witnessed it. I think your not the only one either that thinks Jan is the exact same administrator that left. I too believe they are one in the same. Everyday a new rule. Everything monitored. It got to where we couldn't even edit our own posts. The exact same way it was with the previous super administrator. Everything was spam, no matter what you said.

smithy, im very sorry that i posted that thread, someone in the thread on the page before asked who was on the blacklist so I just went right ahead and posted it without thinking of the consequences. I didn't realise that It could be untrue and cause such a disturbance in the community. If it is so scandalous I will be happy to remove it. Just let me know.

ps. I was an active member on the board just after you left smithy. (I fact i joined on the same date you retired) I just wanted to say that your name was never didcredited and all of the members there held you in high esteem.

And, yes, I do believe that Mabo Overseer and Jan were the same person but o-one ever mentioned it. I really didn't want to piss Jan off as I was in his "good books" and aspired to succeed on SMB.

I personally believe that Jan Deni was Katy.  It only makes sense if you really think about it and knew the wording etc that went on in PM's.  

I am actually glad you posted it ShawnOw now we know what's being said behind our backs.  The list is a creation of a very demented individual and to treat creators the way SMB did was demented.  

I remember when Katy stole work by KevinsHope and WorshipForever no one said a word about it.  Maybe some of you remember the bench by worship and table.  The seats were by KevinsHope,  Katy just did a change in the corner bench and claimed the whole set as her own.  When I saw her post that as her own work I knew what I'd heard about her was true.  I kept waiting for someone to say something but not a word was ever said.

KevinsHope and WorshipForever were also a good creator that Katy lost for very strange reasons.

Ok I've wasted enough of my time on this topic.

ShanOw aspire to succeed in your own eyes forget losers like those at SMB.

On the contrary, I don't think you've wasted enough time on the topic. Please, waste more!

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 :lol: I do have to say that your message is a purfect.  You have me laughing so hard I can hardly type me response.  I gotta get some sleep.

Thanks so much for the laugh Duckie!

U know at one point it drove me almost crazy, i thought i was the only one who believed he was the same.
When i left i know that Svetlanka was a good friend of Katy and Jan and when i read now what they say about her i just can't believe how things can turn around so quickly.
Yes everything was spam and almost every new member was either Abstractsimmer or Dollface in his eyes.
At first when i left there i was broken but soon i realized how happy i became, still i do miss the community that i helped to build, i do miss many members there.
But i sure ain't missing the endless discussions with Jan/Natty over memberchecks and so called bad members.




Don't be sorry!
I rather know it then that this would have stayed behind my back.
No need to remove it for me.



I does make sense but i never wanted to look at that far, but i did had a feeling that they where in the same room most of the time. ;)
Let's just say that there was a strong believe in myself that they where lovers, or man and wife, or roomies, i don't know.



Same for me, i am also happy u posted that list.

You know what I believed. I thought Jan/Natty whoever he is today and Katy were married. That's why Smithy and Katy kept it hush hush. But you could tell. When Jan came along they were instant buddies always together, etc...which is another reason I thought Jan had been the same administrator just under another name. When Katy announced Smithy had left I thought oh oh here comes the drama they were caught together. But there wasn't any. Maybe I have an overactive imagination. lol

Had to edit to add after reading Smithy's post:



Everyone thought that, but I think everyone was afraid to say anything in public. I wrote and asked Jan out and out, but he never answered my PM. I also wrote to him about all the new rules. He never answered that PM either so he probably thought I was going to turn into a trouble maker. lol




Apparently your not the only one that thought that either. I had to edit my post when I read this part! That's exactly what I thought as well. ;)

Thanks for that, It's hard to believe that I wasted hours every day replying to every thread that was ever posted on SMB. I was so blinded by all of the fairy-floss coated compliments from all of the "kind" people.

I will still miss SMB, But now I realise just how stupid it was. If it ever returns I will never be an active member, just a downloader. (not that there will be anything to download without katy)

ps. Does anyone want to join my site, I feel its better to aspire on a site which is run by someone "normal"  Its called www.sims2luxury.com

Nice site, looks like you have it set up for a little of everything. So count me in :)

:shock: site spam time!

Can't say I have beef with someone or fell in love with someone or dumped someone on the internet lately.
 
noukiesims2.net

come on??? what to you gain by randomly spamming a site. I know its fun but it really annoys people

You say that - you have the gall to say that after you dumped me Nouk?

I am shocked and disgusted with the callous way you talk about our relationship.  I gave you my heart and soul, and you think it's nothing?1!!!?!

Calalily, Nouk dumped you for me!  Go ahead and confess Nouk.  We are truly in luv.  8)

ETA: ShanOw, Nouk is a Goddess.  NOTHING she posts is spam.  Check out my sig.  You need to beg for her forgiveness. NOW!

Oh my gosh I really need to start reading people's signatures. I was sitting here thinking ok Keirra's lost it, then I read your signature. lol

Yes we love our Nouk. Hey wait how come they get you Nouk and you throw firemen at me? I see how it is now.

Lol, Hawkgirl!  Did you read Nouk's sig?  I adore her.  :D

Please forgive me lordess Nouk, My soul is not worthy lol

It's Goddess Nouk.  If your lucky, she will forgive you.

ETA: Wipe that smile off your face!

I think you both are great.



I tried clicking on your link to see your site in both IE and Firefox. I can't get in. It says click to allow Active X or something like that, then it closes down and says send error report. What am I doing wrong?

try this link, The other link doesn't work for some people. It wierd but should be fixed in the near future.

http://www.sims2luxury.com/Forum/

lol I am merciful!
(I'm not a godess but otherwise neither Keirra nor Calalily would have dated me so keep it quiet shhhhh!)

WTF? As soon as I turn my back you are making a move on that hussy Nouk!

Just because I cannot mesh gorgeous hair does not make my feelings for you  less real!  :cry:

Right. I'm leaving teh interwebz and never coming back (until monday).

I am sorry that I can defend myself not properly,but mine english is very bad.
I use a translation program and these are also not so good.
This is why I do not write so much,so that I do not do so many mistakes and you cannot read it!
I am very sad about the fact that me people condemn who do not know me.
If I have a look at this black list,if the tears come to me!
These are of all people,I do not know everyone,
 but the most persons have creatively worked for the side
and are involved in the success of SMB.
To  myself  I must say:
I have never stolen a Mesh.
Everywhere where my name stands as a Kreator,then it is also my Mesh!
If I have an idea, I search by Internet,whether there is this idea already!
Only then I provide my idea!If, nevertheless,
 it should be double then, I can only apologise,then it is not done on purpose.
I have no assistants, who with me meshed  together.I alone created all Meshes.
If it is not the case with a thing, I have written it in addition!I do not steal!
I have many fun with this work,everything is free I not even earn a little bit,pay, however, my side what I cannot afford at all,
Why should I steal Meshes if I make them with pleasure alone?
I have provided some Meshes for SMB,this not even on my side offered,these were
exclusively Meshes for SMB!
If I have my own Meshes recoloriert,if I have put even a link for the original Mesh to SMB.
I have never extinguished on the side of SMB something.It is an englishe side,
I would not have known at all how I must do it, lol!
Also I have not extinguished there my Meshes.
I have always asked whether I act enough there.The answers were always positive,
it stood written that I work enough,they would be quite happy
if I offer my Meshes there to the download.
Because mine is miserable english, I have written only congratulations and greetings.
I have fulfilled Requests of users.
Kathy has given orders of Meshes to me,then she has animated.It has been great fun to me.
Then suddenly i was pushed away bit by bit without information by reasons!
I am aware by no means to have done or sad something wrong.
I am and was always a quiet person.
Then the last what I still had, was the forum.
It came a letter of SMB, there stood in it!Because of lacking work on the Board,
if my forum does not belong to me any more,I was no more presenter,even more normal user,
and all privileges are took away from me.
I have written up the persons responsible but get no answer.
Jan has unread the post allow to go back again.Nobody has given me an answer,
why they treated me without warning so.I have tried it several times.
Now I did not want to belong any more to them.
I have asked them nicely to remove all my Meshes!At the beginning
I have also got here no answer and meinje Meshes were not extinguished.
Then they closed me from the side!
Then I got news that my Meshes are extinguished,then I should also extinguish of her Meshes.
But the Meshes which they have enumerated were for the most part my own.
I have all Colorationen of SMB,which were on my side , extinguished.
After SMB me then have banished,if they have also extinguished my Meshes.
But not yet everything. Some are still to be found there.
Till this day I do not know what I have done that they treated me so!
If somebody should not believe all that, I still have the written everything.
I have the habit, I store all letters and bring on CD.

I am very sad about that,the fact that if one wants to do a joy to other,
for it on a black list or a dock comes!

Sorry for my very bad english!I hope that you could well read everything.

greeting
feeEssen

I'm sorry to hear that you had problems at SMB too, feeEssen.  Are you going to upload your creations elsewhere?

Tim

I'm beginning to think that, even though it was a free site, it's a good thing that SMB closed down. It seems to have caused nothing but grief and stress for it's creators.

Oh, Fee, I am sorry you had to suffer like that; it sounds as though it was a very confusing time for you.  (And I thought your English was gut genug![That's what my German Language professor used to say about my performance in class, so that's fine!])  

For the record, a great many of my Lil Sims have enjoyed the use of your creations, and I personally thank you for this.   *^u^*

Hello Tim!

I have own side.I have only used there my Meshes because Pipino has asked me whether I liked to work there.There SMB just one day was online!

Okay as a person who created exclusivly for SMB, I have to say my side.

I hate SMB and what Jan and Katy did to us all there. I feel like they only said lies to us.

Jan like one of my friend said he is responsable for destroying the site. She said she doesn't think that he ever planned to save the site, which I can believe. It was probably a scam for money for his personal use.
He is a control paranoid jerk who is on a power trip, even the admin there admit it.

Katy is all drama- I do believe she has stolen from other hackers. Also she makes up lies about people and pm's them to you.
I remember getting a long pm about how Svetlanka & Tiya are lesibans and wanted her to join there relationship. She said she had to move apartments because they kept harrassing her about it.

As for me and my creations, I talked to Kathy over at Insimenator and will upload them there, when she creates a section for them. This includes ones I did with katy or cloned from her objects. I think it's not fair for me just to throw my hard work out over her.  Im going threw alot of crap in my personal life. And this adds for stress and drama too it all, now that I have to repost all my creations.
I just feel bad that I ever believed a word that either of them said.

Also you should all know something I find funny. My friend told me today Jan has put the site up for SALE! like someone would want that mess to clean up.

Hello Grainne!
Thank you for your nice words. :)
It had done a lot of fun to me to work there,only as the side greater and greater became they have not well treated me any more. :(

Do tell!  What is the name of the site?

Tim

Hello Tim!
I do not know whether I this is allowed, but if not, dear presenters, then it extinguishes!
http://www.sims2-feeEssen.de
But it's only a german side!

HopeBayler! I love your stuff! :D I have everything you've posted at MTS2.
I am dense, I never realised your stuff was at SMB. :oops:

I would love it if you could upload to MTS2 all the things you made for SMB.

Also, I am sorry for everyone's bad experiences at SMB, it sounds like the owner and/or supermod was really paranoid or a dramawhore.

And blacklisting somebody for being a lesbian? Oh, please!  :roll:


Also, I'll have my popcorn with salt and melted butter.

feeEssen,

It shouldn't be a problem posting the site URL.  You might have noticed that many members have links to their sites in their signatures.  You should set up your signature that way too!

Tim

As I said before, to us pirates, all that blacklisting stuff is just more childish bullshit.

I love your creations, fee, and yours, too, Hope. Please know that I have been a fan of your work for a long time. Let us know what we can do to help you bring your creations to all simmers and keep them free for all of us to use and enjoy.

Join our happy band of fugitives, outlaws and ruffians. Each new pirate gets a personalized rum bottle cozy.  8)

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Sorry Tim, but I find nothing in my profile where I can insert my signature! :oops:

Look at the top of the page, where it says

The Site That Must Not Be Named!
We Make TSR Cry![/b]

Underneath that there are links to FAQ, search etc.

Click on the profile there.

Oh, and I have many of your things in my game, FeeEssen.
Hopefully you'll continue uploading your things at MTS2.

Hello SparklePlenty!
It is good to know that there are people who stand in spite of accusation behind one.
However, I will have to become more careful and not to trust all.
I thought that it is over.The quarrel was over,why do they resume?
Nevertheless, it should announce itself somebody to whom I have done something bad!I have no explanation for it. :?

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Here you my creations find.
http://www.sims2-feeEssen.de

I agree feeEssen none of us deserved the treatment we received at SMB and I truely appreciate what this site has done in more ways than I can express.  Once a creator got too good they were thrown out as I sincerely believe Katy could not handle the competition.  

I made feeEssen aware of what was going on here as I felt she should be told, I also offered to post what she might want to say since she wasn't a member.  Thanks for joining feeEssen!  I want to welcome you aboard feeEssen.  I haven't been a member for very long but this is an great site and I love what they do here.

feeEssen you are a great creator and please don't let Katy and her horrible friends cause you anymore pain.  Those people are worthless scammers and do not deserve to be the source of our painful memories.  I wish I was better with words myself.  I'm a quiet person and don't say a lot, but SMB was a horrible experience and most likely destroyed the creativity for so many.  

To those that it did hurt I want to offer my deepest sympathy and please do not let these people get to you as that was their goal.  Don't let them win by destroying your creativity.

Thanks alia Im glad you like my work. I think you will be happy though with my newer work that was on SMB. Since most of my SMB work is object meshes not mostly recolors like at MTS2.
I will not upload anything to MTS2, I feel un-appreciated and hated there.
MTS2 is a great site and helps so many creators but I can't be somewhere where Im hated.
So hopefully Kathy will open up soon an area at her site for my work. And if she doesn't end up opening one, I will just forget about the sims& my creations all together. I know it sounds harsh that I would just leave but Im barely hanging onto real life as is. So after being so hurt by SMB, I can't take much more and the stress of finding& uploading all my work again.

I agree just because Katy decided to be a Katy nut, you should still use those items as you put a lot of work into them and did so much for SMB.  She gave us permission to clone her things and our work should not be thrown away just because she decided to quit.  I myself did some recodes for a few of the items so that I wouldn't have to throw my work away, but some things I have posted on my home site.  My thinking is screw her she screwed me.

I'm so happy to hear you are going to joining insimenator.  I've always loved your work and have missed it very much.  I had a friend that would send me by email you toddler clothing as I always loved your toddler things.  I very much look forward to seeing you posts soon.

I also want to say that I hold no grudges against those that believed Katy in her rampages as I know she was a controller and very persuasive.

Hello rebecah!
I thank for this link,without this I would have been absolutely ignorant!
and without this I would never have got to know who everyone is concerned!
It is awful as with the good devoutness of the people becomes handled!
Hopefully this soon has an end.I find it terrible if somebody wants to lure a few people more on his side with lies and wrong promises.
I am very glad that now, finally, everything has flown up!(I hope that I have properly said,formulates it.

I lack the words.

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Here you my creations find.
http://www.sims2-feeEssen.de

I'm so sad to hear you think someone hates you at MTS2.  I can't imagine why anyone would hate you.  I think MTS2 is just so big and doesn't have enough moderator to appreciate their creators as I know how you feel about not being appreciated.  I, myself post for the users as I know lots of them appreciate my work, and I truely appreciate their appreciation too.

You're fine posting it. In fact, I've quoted it so it'll be posted again!  :lol:

The same area where you updated your avatar is where you would insert your signature. Go to where it says "Signature:" and insert this piece of code:



That will put a link to your site in your signature. :)

Hi feeEssen,

You are most welcome!  I always understand your word as you do quite well with the english language.  

I too am so happy this finally came out as for quite sometime I though you and I were the only ones that had had these horrible things happen to us.  Now we know we are not the only ones, and just how terrible this Katy/Jan are.

Now we have learned a very good lesson with this experience.  Sad that it will be hard for us to trust as easily as we used to but now we know.

Take care feeEssen and please keep your wonderful creativeity flowing.

I often get insulting Posts from usern because I speak so badly english.
I have announced the first,some were extinguished by the presenters.
Occasionally I get which with the private post.Then I extinguish this!
I do not dare at all any more there something to start.I must write always a little bit in addition. :cry:

@ Huhu Duckie!
Sorry,I cannot find it.
I understand you where I should look,, but I only find this:
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I already carry glasses! :oops:

feeEssen:

Your english is fine. I have seen some of the rude comments at MTS2, it makes me very angry. I reported one of them once. Some of the members there are really morons. A lot more of us appreciate your work.

HopeBayler:

I hope you do upload to insiminator. I love uploading there. It's so easy and there don't seem to be as many stupid comments. I bet Kathy will give you a section.

rebecah:

You have some very unique and interesting items. I hope you continue uploading at MTS2 or whatever free site you choose.


I think it's plain to all of us that Katy is a manipulative bitch. No one takes that insane blacklist seriously. If creating is something you enjoy, keep creating. If you need a break, fine. I really wish all of you well.

We don't mind at all.  Paysites aren't just in english.  :D If anyone insults you again, tell them to insult you in your own language so you can understand - that should shut them up - most people who do that can only write in one language.  I admire anyone who can communicate (no matter how badly) in two.  :D

feeEssen, always remember: MOST PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS. And lots of them like to bother the non-idiots.  :lol:

That is damned fine advice!

For a bit of irony, I wanted to post the first response to feeEssen's original post because I knew people could be mean about the translated English.  I was hoping to set the tone for what followed.  A bit of chivalry that was unnecessary, I suppose.

Tim

I will admit I often have trouble understanding your posts but then I wouldn't  understand them at all in deutsch because I don't speak it very well.  I think its horrible people would insult you that way.  Maybe you could find someone to help you translate.  I would offer but mein Deutsch ist schlecht

I love your stuff and I am glad you've found home at insiminator.

It's nice to see there is support for X-members of SMB, who got screwed over. And Rebecah I have no reason to dislike you, you were nothing but kind to me. I suprised you aren't pissed at me for not taking a stand for you. And as for katy your right she can't stand compition at all. She told me never to remesh any other hackers objects since I had her to help me. This happened after I cloned something from Echo's objects and she got upset over it.

HAPPY NEWS! Kathy at Insimenator has open up my section now. I've started to upload things again. It will take sometime to get it everything re-uploaded.

You all are great! :wink:
Thank you verry much for your tips, understanding and sympathy. :D

@ Huhu HopeBayler!
Wonderful, HopeBayler! This pleases me very much for you. A lot of success!

Yay! Good for you, HopeBayler!

I'll check it out when I return home. :)

No need for glasses. You were very close to the area in that screenshot. I screenied where you need to go. Just click on the pic to get the bigger version.

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As for not speaking English very well, you're doing fine. Speaking English perfectly isn't a requirement here. If it was, the forum would be empty.

Congrats on your own Insim section, Hope! That's awesome!

Hope I sincerely want you to know that I consider you my friend and have no grudge against you and wish you all the luck in the world.  I know how Katy's type is and do not blame you one iota.

I did see that Kathy or someone setup a section for you on Insimenator and sincerely hope that works for you.

I also hope you plan to upload your toddler furniture that I have recolors of so that I can to post the new link as those are 2 of my most popular recolors posted on MTS2.

I know, I irritate!
You do not believe me certainly, but I do not have this.
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It looks to me completely different.

You don't irritate. :)
That's wild. I've never had anyone else present this kind of problem before. I wonder why that section isn't showing for you. I'll see if anyone else knows what's up.

It might be that you need a certain post count before you get the option for a sig. I don't know if I read that here, but I think it was a Pescado innovation.

I think you might be right... I don't see a place to put a signature either...

It might be fifty posts or something.  I didn't have the option for a long time, then I did and could think of nothing more profound than what I'd seen on TV the night before.   :roll:

I did not have the option when I joined either. I Just figured that it had to do with post counts :) btw I just looked and I have the option now so, if it linked to post count it is under 40.

I was worried about your grow up sets. I'm glad your going to be posting them elsewhere. You know what I feel really stupid about right now. I believed every word Katy was feeding me about the drama. I didn't post a whole lot over there, just what I needed to upload. I mostly hit the thank you button. Unless it was something I really liked which is why I got angry over the spam thing. We know how creators create when we have ton of their things in our game. Were not children that need to be told what to say. Oh well, hind sight is always 20/20. I was shocked when I saw Smithy and Fee on that list. I knew nothing of Fee, but I know what all Smithy did for the site and I had never heard anything till that list. I only knew what a couple people on that list did because I saw it. The rest I figured got caught up in it. Like Worship when they made that page on his site. Maybe we should have listened then, seems they were all telling the truth and we were buying into the lies. :(

Worship has been wanting to post a comment here for several days but is unable to register for some reason.  I have offered to post his comments for him but he is very careful not to break anyone's rules, so prefers to be registered here.

Pehaps you could deliver a message for me? Please let him know I am very sorry I bought into all the lies. Now I wish I had listened when I found what they had posted on SMB, instead of just agreeing with everything Katy asked me and several others to do for SMB. What a mess and for no reason.

Thank you for your all help.
On this idea I have not still come. :wink:
Then I want a lot posts that I reach just 40. :)

It may have something to do with the length of time you are a member too as I have the option and do not have many posts.

SwtNess2 could not use her nick that maybe the problem for Worship.

It's quite possible that the signature option is linked to post count or account age. I have no idea though. I don't remember this being in place when I joined but then again I've been here a while and lots of things have been implemented since I joined. Some I didn't even know were implemented until someone asked about them - like the Test Question on who made the game.

Rebecah - look at your pm's. I believe I've figured out why SwtNess2 couldn't sign up. :D

Thanks so much for your help.  It does appear that numbers can't be used in nicks.  I know someone else that uses numbers and they could not register either.  I'll have to let her know too.  Thanks again.

Hello Fee and HopeBayler, it's been a long time.

Fee i really know how hard this list must be for u.
U did so much for SMB almost every day new items and always ready to participate in a community project, etc.
I never seen u anytime steal anything from anybody so this even surprises me more that they put that on this list.
After all i was for one year the person who had to look for copyrighted content, and i never ever had to delete anything from u.
But i do know that Katy hated the fact u uploaded also at MTS2 in fact she hated that from every creator.
She made me swear to never upload on MTS2 anymore before i joined on SMB.
When i left SMB i asked on MTS2 to make a new account (other name) and explained why and what happened at SMB and they agreed to allow me.
The only downfall is that i cannot log in anymore under smithycpl there.
I realy hope they leave u alone there and on your site.
From my part i thank u for all u did at SMB in the time i was there.


Hopebayler, i believe u started working together with Katy after i left.
Maybe u remember her kitchen items like the pizzapan, the toaster with oven and waffel iron.
When i got kicked out there i had meshed all those items and not to brag about it but they looked so realistic that i was very proud of them, but i could never use them anymore because Katy coded them.
Someone told me she remeshed those herself and they looked not good at all.
She also said that if i ever uploaded anything that she and i made together  she would sue me by court.
Somewhere i found that selfish from her because after all they where part my work also, but i never uploaded them.
i don't know u as good as i know Fee but i wish u much success at insim.

:lol:

Upload them. She won't do it, she doesn't have any legal basis.

I agree with you 100% concerning feeEssen.  She's a very sweet person and did not deserve any or what they did to her.  She's a very hard worker too.

Ditto for HopeBayler too!

Smity what could Katy sue you for?  She has no right to threaten you with this.  It's ashame the community has lost out on your creations.  Couldn't you have someone else code them for you?  If that would make you feel better after all the meshes are yours the code is maxis code.  Right?

Swtness2 *Charli.  I'm so sorry to hear you've lost interest in the game and it especially saddens me to hear you've lost your desire to create.

I sincerely feel if you let them take this away from you then they win.  I know this has put a damper on my creativeness but I can't let them win, and will do my best to get back into it.  Please try to do the same.

Hopefully your posting will give you some relief too.

Best of luck to you and all the creators that were hurt but this.  Hopefully we have a place we can all come together to report these types of people too.

I sincerely want to thank all those that run this site for everything.

I am talking with Worship right now, and this is directly from him:

HawkGirl,

No hard feelings here. :) I wanted to warn anybody who would listen and believe me about what SMB had done to me and my friends.  Whoever chose to believe me, well, that was up to them to decide based on either what they had seen themselves, or on how much they had been brainwashed. I am glad that the truth is finally coming out, but I am sorry that it is at the expense of so many people. I have since learned that some of my accusations were not all entirely true (such as the reason that some of my friends were banned) but either way, we were all treated in a way that was flat out wrong.  The only reason that they could conjure up to ban me was the fact that I will not punish my site members for something that they are accused of at another site.  

I can only vouch for what I have seen and experienced myself, and for what my friends have been through. The last time that I thought I knew exactly what was up, I was wrong and have learned the hard way not to make assumptions and run with them.  I have, however, gotten into many battles with Jan about how other members were being treated, particularly around the time that FeeEssen was banned. I could tell that something was not right, and I stood up for what was right. Then they decided to accuse me of being part of the troll attacks being made at that time by some kids. I then stepped into that and Katie, Jan, crushter and I got into contact with the attackers and got them to stop. To this day they are holding crushter responsible for the attacks simply because the attackers  were friends of his.  That is why they have crushter on the blacklist, even though that issue was resolved and was no longer relevant.

Shortly after, I stepped down from my staff position there because I no longer had the time to devote to their site in addition to my own.  That was when the trouble with the rest of us started. Jan put some sort of applet against my name (as well as Tiya Marie, SvetLanka and a few others) and then he started finding any excuse that he could to officially ban the group of us.

Once they finally succeeded, I became very angry and that's when I made the post warning others of SMB's actions.  That post, however, was made for many reasons, some right and some wrong.  I truly wanted to warn everyone what we had been through with SMB, but the post was made primarily out of vengeance.  With the help of some friends and a bit of prayer on my part, I decided that the post was not up for the right reasons and taking matters into my own hands was not the way to handle it.  So I took it down.  The post was replaced with a thread simply asking for prayer for Jan.  This was about the time I ended up on a two week leave for personal reasons.   While I was away the post was taken completely out of context and it appeared that it, too, was up for the wrong reasons.  Jan took it as a personal attack against himself and made a public statement threatening me.  He gave me 2 days to remove this "slanderous" post while, might I add, I was clearly away for 2 weeks. I keep in very close contact with my staff members so I was able to get online and remove this post within his time limit.  The deal was that by doing so I would get my account back.  I wasn't really interested in getting my account back after all they had done to me and my friends, but since the post was taken offensively, I removed it anyway.  Even though this was all done within his time limit, Jan still did not lift my ban and would not tell me why.  A while later he made an announcement at SMB saying that banned members could inquire about their ban reason via email.  I followed through with this, but instead of receiving a response, another public announcement was made stating that members who house rebels on their own site could not even inquire for their ban reason.  I made no further contact attempts with him since and have simply left things alone.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.  I hope this adds a few new pieces to the puzzle.  Thanks again, Rob (Worship4Ever0227)

Worship can register if he takes uses a nickname without numbers. That's the problem he's running into I think.

Thank you, I told him, as did two of his other friends.  He will first chance he gets...(I personally think he spent the last of his free time telling me what to type on that last post!!!   :P   Tis kind of fun to play secretary...shall I try my hand at translating for FeeEssen and others?  ) :D

I'm glad all this is coming out.  I have had mixed feeling about SMB almost from the beginning, and because of this thread I am understanding why so many people left or got sick.  Shoot, the last post I made there was on the Interview Dan Jeni (lol, couldn't resist calling him that).  The thread said to ask questions for Jan to answer.  So I posted "Wow, I was hoping to learn more about Jan."  My post got deleted.  Seriously, I wanted to try and understand the dude, see where he was coming from...what makes him tick?  sigh.

I don't think there has been this much of an uproar in the sims2 community since Jack Thompson attacked.

Well I uploaded everything I had the two of you made together to the Graveyard, so you can tell her you didn't do it; come see me. I have some things I'd like to say to her.

This is just ubelievable. If you all weren't here now and I had heard all this, I would have thought these people are crazy. I never saw anything like that! She was so sweet to me. I can't believe I bought into all the BS, I'd expect something like this from children. I'd even expect some of it from teenagers. But from adults, and not young adults? Never. I'll wear the scarlet letter S on my forehead now for sucker.

Charli, i recognize in great extend what u had gone through!
I also had so many fights there over the same things u say here.
When i left i created only 4 things afterwards that i uploaded on MTS2 under another name then smithycpl, it's been even 2 or 3 months since i created again, and playing the game also makes me think back at those terrible times there.
I didn't even updated SimPe in months anymore.
To be very honest at this point i did retire for a while but i do think about starting again.
Let me just say uploading under another name made me feel not so good at MTS2, but i wanted them to not be able to contact me anymore.
I even changed my email and never came on msn anymore.

I don't know if u still have contact with Tiy and Princess but if u do please say hi from me to them.
After all Katy and Jan used both of them to get rid of me over there.
I wish u all the best Charli.



No she did recoded those and i made the meshes.
That was the way we worked together, Katy cloned and coded for the purpose a item had to be and i made then the mesh.
So basically the Maxis codes where totally changed.
The only things i can code are placement, cars and food, but functions and animations where Katy's work.
Even if i try to code it myself i think it will take months for me to get it right.
Since she didn't use my meshes i would be wrong to take her codes.
I am sure she will not sue me but i would feel bad about it.

I wish i could bring together the good people and creators from SMB but i would not know how to start in the first place.
But i do miss many of them!
If any of them is willing to start a new site or group or whatever i will join and am willing to do again all what i did for SMB and the community.

Shit like this makes me look "normal".

Well Im glad too see you here Charli and telling your part. I don't blame you for wanting to quit it all. And I saw you mentioned that your the one who pointed me to SMB. Don't feel bad because I went to SMB, because I wanted to it was my decision totally. I feel lucky to have a friend like you who would stand up for me.

I think it's crazy how it was okay for katy to be sick and leave the site for a bit. But anyone else like me and Cairin it was not okay even though we couldn't help it.

Also I should say Im still going to be a creator. Im distracted from creating right now with all the re-uploading I have to do. Also bon voyage I just got today and had to see what it is like.
Grow-up set is in the works and hopefully rebecah won't mind me cloning her hacked toddler double bed and 1 tile crib for it. I've made alot of it already and even started a new kids& tot bodymesh pack2.

Thanks Smithy for the heads up and Im not worried. Since it would be an international deal and the creations are 50% mine. They are my meshes and alot of my idea's, example- the rock pool slide with fountain.
For the toaster and stuff I think it's amazing you made meshes for them and she took them off. Since when me and her made a kitchen she begged me to re-mesh them saying hers were crappy.

Well Im just glad Jan and Katy are gone from this community(pray that it's for good).

Thank u very much!!!
I hereby ask u and give u permission to upload everything i also made under my own name on SMB.
I dunno what u have that i made but anything what was on SMB is okay for me, in fact i think everything i ever made was there. :)

Can u give me a link towards graveyard?
I heard from it but never been there.
Can i reply there aswell that i fully agree with the content u uploaded there?

Don't worry about that S, we all wear that S but it takes time to fully see and understand who and what another person is, certainly online where u don't see another person in reality.
It took me 1 year and even at that point i fought hard with myself if i was right or wrong.

Hope you are welcome to use anything of mine.  My items are 100% free and always will be.  If I can help in anyway please let me know.

ditto on the prayer too!

I made it!!  Thanks to those of you who discovered that numbers are simply not allowed, lol!  After days of trying to register, I am finally here!  Incidentally enough, PetuniaMaeWitherbottom just relayed my message.

I am glad to see that all of the victims of SMB are grouping together and are all able to talk about it here.  My site is watched so closely that if we even so much as mention the three letters "SMB" in that order, Jan will be on my case in a heartbeat.

GuitarzRock2007 (otherwise known as "Jolee")has also been trying to register here, but evidently she has run across the same problem as me... I think she also managed to get the 2 letter brand name question wrong and currently she managed to ban herself.  She will try again in a few days.  

Jolee has simply fallen victim to crap that SMB was throwing on me.  She was banned for standing her ground on an uploading disagreement, so how on earth they pinned her for being "responsible for the end of SMB" is beyond me.  I agree that she could have handled the disagreement differently, but Jan was a little harsh on her, I think - and to claim that she is responsible for shutting SMB down, I'd like to know where he got that idea.

WOW, this all is something else. I am sorry that it seems that SMB has just imploded. This thread is really a bit hard to follow, but I am trying. LOL

link to home page is here smity http://sims2graveyard.com/
mailto: files@sims2graveyard.com

files link http://files.sims2graveyard.com/

Guitarz is a woman? This just gets better and better.

You know I have to wonder did Katy and Jan really believe we would never cross each other's path on any other forum? That we might compare the different stories they told us?

Yup!  SMB certainly didn't discriminate against gender... lol I'm guessing that y'all all know that I am a guy?  I know it took a while for that detail alone to get out. lol

I was told Guitarz and David were stalking SMB and Katy. That Katy ended up in the hospital, etc..etc. I never got to read your first letter. I was making a list of the freesites and I happen to come on your site. I read the second letter, but never said anything. The next day when I logged into SMB there was a link to your site. Then I read the letter you wrote when you got back, so I told Jan I thought you were sincere and maybe just got caught up in what was going on. I also said I had never heard Svetlanka say anything bad about SMB, and was directed to your site to see her and Tiya were also on it. I said yes, but we all belong to other forums. I couldn't understand how that proved anything so then I thought maybe she had got caught up in it also. Then I got the lesbian story, which I never bought into. I just figured they got in the middle of something. I'll just stay out of it. That's probably the only story I never bought into. We could all get rich writing a soap opera about this.

ETA you know when I asked about the freesite/paysite debate that was put off on Guitarz and David also, and they always said to me those two men. That's why I asked you. Come to think of it I don't think we'd make a dime off this soap, it's too unbelievable. No one would believe it, but us.

Yeah, I never believed any of that about SvetLanka and that lesbian crap.  I do not really know Svet personally, but I am good friends with Tiya Marie, and Tiya Marie is good friends with Svet.  Tiya told me that none of that about Svet is true, and I believe her.  Svet was always quiet, and she always  did whatever she was asked, and (publicly at least, and I would assume privately) she never did anything wrong.

The letter that I wrote (that I later took down, as explained in PetuniaMaeWitherbottom's post) was written out of anger, and that is why I took it down.  But, I still believe most of everything said in it.  I still have it, and I just read over it the other day.  

Jolee and David weren't stalking SMB and Katy.  They would glance at the site every now and then, but who didn't?  Whenever my I.P. address cycled and the applet didn't recognize me as banned, I would look around every now and then, too.  But that isn't stalking.  I don't know where they get the idea that they were stalking, because that is load of crap.  I know Jolee (Guitarz) personally, infact "Friends" isn't exactly what you would call our relationship, so I can tell you for a fact that she was not stalking SMB.

Trust me I believe you. I'm just amazed at how much I bought into that wasn't true. Like I said I'd expect it from children, although I don't think I would have bought into it. Not from adults. Seems like everything I thought was true, was a lie, along with a whole lot more I had no idea about.

Yeah, it's quite amazing.  It has been a good learning experience for me, though, in trying to run my own site.  When handling a situation, I think of two WWJD instances... the first, What Would Jesus Do? (And I try to do it that way), and then I think of What Would Jan Do (And I try my absolute best to shy away from that direction). LOL

We are happy to welcome refugees from crazy sites here! Welcome to Hope, Fee, Smithy, Worship, Rebekah, and anyone else who feels the need to vent.

We love our free site people, and we REALLY love free creators. You are welcome to share the rum, and to discuss or not discuss whatever you like.

Read the FAQ, hang out, learn how to walk around with a parrot on your shoulder. YARR!

SMB was one of the first places I visited as a new Sims 2 player back in January. As I said in an earlier post, I thought smithy and Katy were BFFs (Best Friends Forever), and apparently I wandered off before most of the drama-rama occurred. I remember the first "oops, we're down, need a new host" drama, though. Ugh. I posted some Law and Order Sims there. Even got a few encouraging pats on the head. SMB had many good points.

I left not because of drama but because I am on dialup, and loading all the sparklies and slashies and badges and enormous signature files and four hundred ThanksThisIsGreat posts took forever. Appreciation and rewards are all swell, but it was a bit OTT (Over The Top) for me. If everything gets showered with praise, bad or good, then the really amazing stuff doesn't stand out. True talent reveals itself over time.

Anyway, I am sorry to hear about Katy going cuckoo. I didn't know the woman, but she was always polite to me on the rare occasions I exchanged comments. (When she responded at all, of course, which, being a busy gal, I did not expect her to do.)

No fandom is without its crazies. It gets mind-boggling after a while. If you can't think of anything that people could possibly take exception to and get mad about, it doesn't matter, because someone WILL surprise you by being offended by SOMEthing.

Hopebayler, Its nice to see you again. SMB seems ages ago, good luck on Insim.

Fee, Im glad you were able to straighted out the lies made on SMB.

Charli, It is great to see you on another site, I always admired the stuff you made on SMB. I never realised how much crap you were put through on SMB.

Worship, I actually questioned why you were banned from SMB, I instantly got reported and the announcement that you were banned was deleted.

To all the old members of SMB, I hope you can all forget the crap you have been put through, all of your creations were great. I have nearly all of your creations.

I enjoyed SMB but now all I can say is good riddance.

ps. I'd love to chat to you all on my site. ( www.sims2luxury.com ) **currenctly offline but it'll be back soon.

I question, now that katy is gone are all her creations file-share friendly. They would look good on my site lol

I sent what I had to the graveyard, why not? ;)

I guess your right, Can you send me any files the graveyard doesn't have and Ill send them on. BUT, I may add some objects to my houses and upload them to my sight, Katy wont care (who cares if she does)

Hello to everyone!

My goodness, the thing becomes more and more awful. :(
For me this thing was not so frightful, how towards of many other here.
I ask myself how one can protect himself against such Persons in future!
I am shocked very much about what I have read here! A nightmare! :(
I suffer with all and verry,verry unhappy about this! :cry:
But i have had some happiness in this bad thing!
I have seen again here many dear friends! :wink:

I sure am glad to know that it was obvious (at least to some) that things weren't right... like.... <remembers back> as a matter of fact, when they officially banned me (for no obvious reason), I hadn't even been on the site in days, nor had I talked to anyone there. :S

Oh well, whats done is done.  All that is left to do is figure out what the heck just happened. LOL

I think maybe you guys from the SMB thread should form a support group with the posters from the Mainst. Sims thread.  You even have a catchy title - Victims of Jan(s).  You could get together and have a forum, where no one named Jan (who, no matter what their gender seems to be a little nutsy) may join, and thus, have refuge from the Jan(s).  :D

AND this is the reason I am a fangirl Cala. LMAO

Hey Nengi! You rebel you. lol I had to laugh when I saw your name on the list. I was like wait a minute. Nengi removed everything from all the sites, not just SMB.



Would you be our therapist, after this were gonna need group therapy. I see people named Jan everywhere. hehe

Actually, there is a site where many SMB members have retreated to...

http://sims2world.freeforums.org/index.php

Most of us can be found there.

This, I cannot help with.  You may *in fact* be seeing Jan(s) everywhere.  They can shapeshift, and form new identities - calling themselves all kinds of names - they can even switch genders.  At any one time, they can simultaneously be the guvmint, their own husband, a complete unrelated forum master, your best friend and your worst enemy all rolled into one.  They expect total loyalty from their victims (like a really, really controlling vampire) and will shapeshift into others to test said loyalty.  

But I have a stopgap.  Here, I've made the first weapon in the Victims of Jan(s) arsenal:

(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/52/antijangp1.jpg)

Directions:
Pour on/in said Jan to shut that crazy mouth.

Keep this with you people (and your foil hats - made by Duckie-Hec-Jojoba Milliners) for the Jans could be anywhere....except they're not me.

Cala, I am in lurve. LMAO

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/evilredduckie/Misc/ConspiracyCat.jpg)

Now we need a Sim priest to preform the exorcism, if this doesn't work. We may need more help than just the holy water.

PS Does throwing holy water if you get any on you do damage if your a Vamp? ;) Ooo does it work on Zombies?

ETA:



I'd just zip and send them whatever you have.

Yes. It hurts all kinds of soulless creatures, vamps, demons, etc.



Nope. Since Zombies are just dead people, no demons inside, holy water does not work on them. For the same reason it does not work on werewolves either, since they are just cursed/infected humans.

Then again, according to D&D first edition rules, holy water works on all undead, including zombies.

I do hope that some of you SMB refugees will check out the rest of the site...we have lots of information and lots of connections throughout the sims community (many well-known creators are here, including the famous Nouk)...and we're fighting a good fight.

Meanwhile...MAJOR LULZ at the Victims of Jans support group. Your slogan should be "Friends don't let friends create for Jan."

Just sayin'.

You know how names of major hurricanes that cause a lot of death/destruction are retired - never to be used again to name another hurricane?  Perhaps the Sims community should officially retire the user name of Jan.

Works for me!

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/MusicalMaven/LOLcatz/janthing.jpg)

(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/keirra1983/My%20Avatars/oppslol.gif)  Now, that's funny!

 :lol: True.  But wouldn't we also have to retire Bev/Charlotte/Sally/and every other name she uses?

Hecubus,  your ability to always find the perfect Macro for any post always amazes me.  :lol: (especially since I have no ability or knowledge to even attempt to attach an avatar much less understand how to insert a macro) :lol:

This is really stupid and unfair, since most of the people who insult you probably do not speak German.

If you want to send me your words before you post your creations on MTS2, I can change them into better English for you.  I don't speak enough deutsch to do this directly from the German, but if you send me what the translator gives you, I can polish it up and make it sound better.

I don't think that you should have to do this, but if I were posting in a German forum, I'd want someone to help me!

I'm very sorry to hear about what happened to you and Smithy and Beck and all the others.  My only contacts with Katy were positive ones, but the site felt phony to me, and I only went there for downloads, not for talking.  I don't know what it's like now, but when I joined (a month after SMB opened), if someone rated any creation lower than 5 stars, the rater's reputation was lowered.  I've given lots of praise on SMB, MTS2, Insim, and elsewhere, and I love to tell creators how much I like their work.  But to have that be *forced* felt totally wrong to me.  I'm not surprised that everything on SMB wasn't as sweet as it seemed, but I am astonished to hear that the owners of the site were THAT mentally ill.

I hope you recover from your bad experiences.

If you'd like to talk with me about my offer to translate, you can send me a PM.

Good luck.

Hecubus FTW!

Marcy, here's the list which was posted by ShanOw on page 5 of this thread:

I don't know where this idea that anyone can sue anyone else over custom content got started. Well, technically I suppose you could try to sue anyone for anything, but it wouldn't get anywhere.

EA owns any item made for use in the game. They give permission to share. No one is going to sue anyone unless EA decides to sue TSR.

People who turn this hobby into a power trip and use it to cause others anxiety should be keelhauled.

Marcy don't worry yourself sick over it, it just isn't worth it. I thought Katy and Jan were great. If you look at the beginning pages of this thread, you'll see I had nothing but good things to say about them. I believed all the lies, excuses. Your not the only one that believed them. I can't believe they didn't think that one day we might all come together and compare what has happened. This probably wasn't the best place for all this to come to a head. But Pes and Hec have been great about it. I for one am glad someone started the thread, so we could find all this out. To know the truth. Just know your not the only one that they did similar things too. I believe Worship or someone started a new forum for those that were members of SMB. What they did to you financially is just wrong, if there were a way for you to sue them, I'd be all for it. Why should you have to pay for what they did.

Vicky, I am very sorry you too got caught up in this whole mess. I have several of your beautiful creations in my game. I've never seen you be anything but respectable to anyone. It so sad that so many people got hurt from one site. I agree with your whole statement. A lot of us trusted too much, which we should have known better than to do. How long would it have been before they perhaps turned on us too?

ETA: One other thing, Vicky trust me your not the only one paysites have stolen from and sold their things. It's happened to many good freesites.

The words you are looking for is slander, libel. Recouping your financial losses for something they accused you of doing, that you really didn't do. These types of small lawsuits are filed everyday. I know how much you all make in Brazil, not even a fraction of what people make here in the USA making nothing but minimum wage in a week, in a month for you. I've hosted exchange students from Brazil(Sao Paulo). The exchange students I hosted weren't college kids. They were all young teenagers that came here for a year. I tried to host two a year. We paid for everything for them, they were basically our children for the year. So I know how much it cost you in oversea's phone calls, etc...trying to clear your name from false accusations. I also know how serious people in your country take these types of accusations. It's too easy for us to forget there are some that have nothing more than their honor. If I can help you in anyway Marcy send me a PM. I will do what I can for you. If you trust me with your snail mail address I will send you some money to help cover the cost of what has happened. Not for them, for you.

PS your English is wonderful! I helped my Exchange student to make sure she spoke very good English when she left, so she could open her own school after college. To teach English. The only thing I could never get her to say right, we have a store here called Home Depot. She called it Home Depeepee. lol I really miss her and hope she's succeeded in everything she's done. It's too hard for her to call me often. Her brother never got to spend the whole year with me and did not go well with the family they hosted him with, so there were a lot of problems. I tried to get them to let him come to me, but they didn't till the end. So I never got to help him as much as I did her, or I should say that I hope I did for her.

The link brings up yet another change in the last couple hours.

http://www.pc-sims.com/smb/showthread.php?t=8719

clicking further, it says pc-sims is for sale. DETAILS: Domain Name pc-sims.com without content.!!!

From what I understand, only the website address, pc-sims.com is for sale. I guess there is nothing in the site. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Yes it's only the domain name that's for sale.
But from what i see it is via a broker. (can get very expensive)
The content (database, posts, etc.) is on a providers server, that is something that isn't together with the domain name.
From what i can make of it, it seems like the content may already be deleted.
If they didn't pay server costs then i guess it's gone for good.

It is truly a shame what happened to that board. I enjoyed all the creations there and I'm so sad to see what happened there.

I believe that would be her Liz. Jan/Bev/Charlotte/etc. Causing trouble since 2001.  :x

Yup. :lol:   That be her.  :roll:  She reads here too, just so you know.

Any news on the SMB-files being posted on the graveyard, or anywhere?

People might be doing a "wait and see" approach. I'm not sure.

EDITED because the mods I listed are now in the Graveyard ... or will be soon. No need to "reinvent the wheel" and post them here.

I have a bunch of SMB files from when I visited in Jan and again in April. I got a bunch of older things, but anything much later than April, I probably don't have it.

If no one mirrors the files, I'll help people acquire stuff.

It will have to wait for a while, I'm swamped with school stuff and barely get a chance to sleep, much less anything else. But I may have something someone else doesn't.

Maybe if folks post what they are looking for, I can hunt them down. Stuff that needs multiple files to function, though, may be harder to dig out.

it seems some of the files are on the graveyard now and the rest will be soon (according to the "news")

I'm sending more today. Liz sent me a bunch of files to send on also. I already sent all that I had. I just hope I'm sending them right. I couldn't find anything on how she wanted them sent. So just divided up the zips for her alphabetically that I had. Nouk can clobber me if I did it wrong.

ETA: Would some of the other people that were on SMB take a look in a few days at what all she has up. Then, send anything they notice is still missing? Or if you could please let me know what you see is still missing from them and I'll try to hunt them down. I have had a bunch of PM's about the Koisks. I don't know if I had them all, and the ready for Army, attorney/judge/courtroom stuff some didn't get all of. I had all the Courtroom stuff. I think I also sent on the mods to send and receive packages/postcards in the mail. To operate your own phone company, and the electric company. Liz sent me the ready for Army stuff, I only had a few of them. The working laundry stuff, and the salon things. As well as a lot more, we may cross over on. I never realized there was so much. lol Oh and PS everything seems to be working with BV. :)

I have no idea, so I have no-one to clobber :D
The Graveyard is a stand-alone site, we just host it. The owner makes all the decisions ;)

Ok then if she asks if you know me, pretend like you have no idea who I am. She's probably over there cussing, look at this mess that dingbat sent. No pictures, nothing just a bunch of zips. lol

Which reminds me anyone want to help me get her some pictures of these things?

TY so much for all your efforts and help - I do have a lot of the files myself, but not all. I am using the "lecture podium" in my medieval church atm, with very nice results. The vicar gets an income, the ppl gets their skills improved.. if it only was in a medieval style :P At least its wood :)

Im pissed off now that I see some of my creations at the graveyard. I never gave permission for my stuff to be uploaded there(Im not retired).
Im now working on getting my creations re-uploaded at Insimentor forum.
I am sick though and waiting for the hospital to call about getting me in for some test. So I am slow on creating and re-uploading but I don't think it will kill people to wait longer.

Katy made a food bag, I made the picnic basket version. It was a personal creation just cloned from her food bag. I contacted the site to have it removed.

Fish& veg extractions I don't care about since it wasn't tons of work and she did edit them to work fully. So them being upload there is fine.

But I wish for no creations of mine to be uploaded there with my permission, I contacted the graveyard and hope they will respect this.

I do know people mistaked my creations for hers alot. Like on our team projects I remember alot of people always said thanks to katy but not me.
And meshing is alot of work, so it always pissed me off but I kept my mouth shut. So I think some people could be sending in files saying they are fully katys.

I don't know who all is sending them things Hope. But, I have been very careful to only include things that say Katy on them. Nothing that says Katy and Hope. I did send them Smithy's things he did with Katy after he said it was ok. I personally think he was smart to do it that way and save himself the drama of dealing with Katy, if she came back later and tried to cause problems for him with anything she worked on.

Especially since they're half hers, he saves himself the headache and drama. We know EA will get involved if someone calls them and says a site is hosting their things and refuses to remove them and she'd do something like that out of spite if she saw him uploading things he made with her. On the graveyard they're just uploaded by former members not him, so everyone gets to enjoy them. But, I've only shared Katy's things and Smithy's and I believe that's all Liz sent me to share also. She already has a lot I didn't share with pictures so other's are sharing as well, and possibly not even people that have been to this site. I just sent the package files.

Oh and PS I think Katy is indeed reading this thread, so you've just told her where your uploading things she worked on with you. I don't think that was a good thing, if she's as vindictive as everyone is saying. I know she knows about the thread. I told her and Stephan about it, that people were trying to get them support before all this other stuff came out.

PSS Try to rest and get better, it will all work out. I'm sure they'll remove your things from the graveyard you worked on.

I loved your work Hope.  Don't get too upset,  not everyone knew that you would be uploading to insim.  The graveyard keeper doesn't keep anything that a creator doesn't want posted.  Settle down and rest so you can get better soon.

Hope, I echo the sentiments already posted here. I do not believe for an instant that anyone who posted the items in the Graveyard did so maliciously. I think they did it because they thought that people would want some of the fantastic things that were on SMB, and probably didn't notice who did what. Perhaps it was the case of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. At any rate, Liz is a decent person, and I have no reason to believe she wouldn't respect your wishes.

The main thing is that I hope you feel better soon.

Well I got a message about it and they never had visited the site, so they didn't know. I gave the file initals so they can easier find which is which.
Even though I don't want all my creations at the graveyard, I do have a few I don't plan on re-uploading that I will send soon.
But I made it clear any work me and katy did they can re-upload since it's only half-mine.
I also let them know that if something happens to me than they have my permission to upload them.
As for katy seeing where my creations are at or what Im saying, I don't care. My whole life I've lived in fear and still do, but Im not going to let her scare me over some sims stuff.

I think all we're trying to point out is a lot of people are sending to the graveyard. Some people may not be coming here, so they don't know your reposting your work. They may just be trying to share the things they collected over there with everyone. Not trying to get you or anyone else upset or angry. I went back through all the zips I shared, and Liz shared, none of them had your things in them. So the person or people that shared them probably did so innocently. I had a lot in Katy's folder I was uncertain of because they had no name at all on them so I never shared any of those. They'll get your things down. Just try to rest and get better. We've less than a year before we start seeing Sims 3, then we get to do this drama all over again. lol

HawkGirl- I understand and Im not blaming anyone. I just wanted to make clear I didn't want my stuff uploaded at another site when Im working on getting it up at another.
But It's funny you mention Sims 3 and how it's just around the corner.
That's what I've been thinking about and if I should keep creating. Cause I just don't know if all the work is worth it when in a year all my work will be obsolete. And I get so stressed easy over creating that it starts to feel like a job. So Im still thinking about if I should keep creating or not.

Hope - I can't reveal to you who I am here, but I'll pm you.  We were friends at SMB until I had to take an absence due to family illness, moving etc.  I'll pm you.  But, I'm sorry to hear that you are not feeling well and hope you are better soon.  Take care of yourself.

So is Jan a he or a she?  I always that Jan was a female.

Hope and all else who create for us:

I for one will be continuing with Sims2 after Sims3 comes out.  I do not like the childish look of Sims3.  It is not nearly as realistic as what we have now.  So please do not think your work will become obsolete.  If I am the only one (and I doubt it) that remains with Sims2, then I will most assuredly be missing your creations to come, and many other creators' things.

Hope, stay healthy.  We need you.

Link please. I didn't think there was any info on Sims 3 out yet except that it was on it's way. I'd love to see what it's supposed to be like.

Um, I second that motion.
:D
Please?

I third it, I have not found anything either myself. Although it may be possible that there is some confusion and the game mentioned was MySims and not The Sims3.

found this but I think they are just fantasizing about how Sims 3 could be -
http://games.fok.nl/review.php?reviewid=493

babelfish translation -
Renewed construction mode [ increase ] We are still but scarcely obtained of the release van The Sims 2 or the wishes for a third part come bubble again up. In this special we philosophise part concerning a third, how these would have will see and which possibilities the game would have contain. If there a third part comes its we minimum a year or five further, and therefore we let us leave our fantasie free course. Games.fok.nl lead you to the future. Do you go along? End septermber 2004 ended up The Sims 2 for the PC.. Concerning very the world high look and the community threw the game which behind The Sims 2 blade was himself times still a lot of larger than those of The Sims 1. Meanwhile we are five years further and on 20 September 2009 the third part in this saga have ended up, again after many guards and a delay of almost a year. Was it waiting worth? That is in fact the question which we ask ourselves all. We evaluated the game and submitted it to a thorough inspection. To what extent maxi can prove its promises and how large the jump has become forward nou real? We list firstly the new features. To visit the neighbours Visit the neighbours its complete under hands taken. Not only hoef you no longer laadtijden to expect at changing to visit the neighbours, but there ARE actually none visit the neighbours more. All visit the neighbours has been collected in a larger map, called ' countries '. Each country covers an area of approximately 25x the format of 1 buurt from The Sims 2, and cultivating of it is filially simple. You can build vogue in 3d vogue, top-view vogue or plan, and you eventual designs are possible you uitprinten as heuse construction drawings. Ideal if you it wants have maisonnette put down by yourself devised Sims 3 by a construction company somewhere in the polder. [ increase ] [ increase ] shopping centres with enormous parking places, but also sociable buitenwijkjes where your hutje on mutje sit its absolutely no problem Graphic quality has strongly improved, has been compared at The Sims 2. Houses see as if you instead of to your monitor by your window sits stare to outside, and also in building a lot of possibilities have recovered. To build Such as said you can build in 3d mode, topdown mode and plan mode. I found 3d the mode most fine personally voorwerken, but e.g. architects the plan mode would be very well alternative. Beside all usual options is now possible round make walls, but also at, thresholds etc. Objects can put down you in principle everywhere, but take into account that on a drive from itself omlaag rolls a chair on wieltjes and quite what can cause damage to the car of the neighbours. [ increase ] Danny gets creative [ increase ] To visit the neighbours to be ongoing busy... The limit for the number of deepenings has been raised to eight, as a result of which could build you very well e.g. a hotel on public a kavel. Also half walls belong to the new possibilities, and hitch hike and roltrappen are present standard in the game provided. To buy At first sight here little has changed, except then the huge number of megeleverde objects. One of the four (!) dvd's which cover the game exist from objects and skins. Also with community still starting up more than sufficiently you a couple sweetens months to keep therefore. [ increase ] Pc-hoekje in of the sleep chambers. Also pay attention to the slanting dakje against which a way card has been stuck... Under the new objects among others angle banks and sleep banks belong, but also larger matter such as cars, engines, bicycles and boats (about which verderop more). page 1: Renewed construction mode page 2: Concerning the gameplay and online gameplay page 3: Details still more and the conclusion


Details still more and the conclusion Work Sim should have themselves followed you a career then can you Sims follow itself on the work. You can perform handmatig the activities, but in some job you can do also automatically letting. Leuke careers are oa the surveillant. You yourself drive by your own buurt and must you offenders arrest and to the buro to escort. Also that is of boxer terrible. You you really in the ring must prove. User-created contents that the Sims have an enormous part of its success to thank to the users which himself should be extensions make clear. In this part this is once more dunnetjes repeated. Make your own Sims, your own clothing (and yes, shoes, laarzen, petjes, bracelets, piercings guard etc are possible you now also yourself as loose pieces designs), your own lounge suites, behang, floor flags etc. etc. Litterally for everything maxi has supplied a tool. Thus can you yourself make cos-ordination and are possible you by means of simple institutions (of which are moreover more than hundred there) themselves stipulate what a zelfgemaakt object must do. Homage for this freedom! [ increase ] [ increase ] [ increase ] still three first person vogue screens house animals Were there at part 1 and 2 still extension parcels necessary to get a house animal, you can devise own house animal now your, or of the vele house animals select. Dogs, cats, birds, fish, tortoises and even horses can you plop down your house or in the bijgebouwde stable. Conclusion The Sims 3 are not zomaar a new part. It is a completely new belevenis, and the fact that you can free (! play) online with litteral millions others concerning the complete world makes that the game can continue oblige infinitely. I found it? 99, - anyway more than worth... Disclaimer These ' review ' are no review. The game does not exist, but is a vision of how a third COULD part, and how I would see personally gladly that the game would grow. Further ideas are of course more than welcome, and nicest which I between now and Sunday encounter 26 September 2004 can as of now choose from all available skins for this site (including all old skins therefore) and will have no more advertisements see on games.fok.nl.


more screenies - http://games.fok.nl/review.php?reviewid=493&page=3

this little teaser was on youtube but it doesn't show much


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZpt0B1GnCI&mode=related&search=

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/Requip/whut.jpg)




I love Babelfish.  :roll: That sounds dirty.........sorta.  :shock: (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/Requip/Emotes/icon_rofl.gif)
Thanks for the links, those pics look pretty amazing.

I think you might be thinking of MySims, for the Wii.

My Sims is adorable, so adorable I am buying a WII just so my grandbabies can play it and leave my Sims alone. lol I bought the Sims for my granddaughter but she wants to play on mine when she comes for the weekends.

Note to Hope: Keep your chin up, hopefully they'll make it easier on us to create in the Sims 3. When your feeling like it's a job, take a break. Don't let yourself get burned out. My Sims chittlens need your grow up sets. ;)

best laugh I've had all day!

That www.fok.nl thing was released before the Sims 3 game was even in developement. It's just a fantasy. It's from 2004 or 2005.

Oh do get a Wii, It is so much fun for everyone! Just wiisports is worth hours of play. And it is so great for kids, my three year old can bowl better than I can with it! Although watch out, my kids put some playing cards in the disk slot ( id does not have a cover) and I can't get them out. Even still I have fun playing playing with the other features that come with it, like the free web browser, creating miis, and games from the virtual store.

It's very easy to see how My Sims could appeal to some Sims fans, escpecially the younger ones. It's definitely one of those things that could be very popular and give the Sims more crossover appeal. On the other hand, a more realistic-looking Sims game might have been more suited for the Wii, given the realistic gaming experience it's supposed to provide. I only play computer games though, so either way it's no big issue with me.

Ohhhhhhhh, I have made a huge mistake!

Ya'll are right, it was MySims that I was thinking of.  Thank you for correcting stupid ol' me!

MySims is console crap that has nothing in common except the NAME. It isn't even a REAL game. Talk about REAL games, not toys for 6 year olds.

That's right. We mus talk about games with MOAR fight or Pescado doesn't understand. :lol:

*pokes Pes*

I don't really care about Sims 3 since most of the good sites aren't going to do stuff for Sims 3.

I can't afford to think about Sims 3.
My PC barely runs 2. :roll:

Same problem here. :)

Now how did you know my granddaughter was 6, you've been paying attention. Get him Ry! Pokes Pes too.  :twisted:

Hmm, Real Wii games.... Resident Evil.... Maybe?[/quote]

My Sims reminds me of Animal Crossing and even Harvest Moon: Magical Melody, except I don't think you can travel between towns like AC or raise a kid like MM.

http://mysims.ea.com/

I wonder if you can fish in this one ... oh yes. You can.

Why do you think that?

New sites will spring up for TS3, just like new sites sprung up for TS2.  I see no issue here in terms of quality custom content--it'll be like it is now.  Some good, some bad.  Hopefully all free, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I don't want to think about TS3 until it's out on the shelves.  =P

I fully expect some of the TS2 creators to do TS3 CC well....some will suck...and we'll see a whole new batch of creators.

Kinda like we saw in the TS1/TS2 transition.

Hope, i'm not sure how many items you made with Katy after i left, but i do know almost 30% she uploaded under her name was also with meshes done by me.
I created also the most meshes what we uploaded in our common account and i also created a few that she asked me, for her own, that didn't even where upoaded.
Even it's hard to say goodbye to all that work, i will only upload the newspaper kiosk at MTS2, that i had under my name at smb. (it is already uploaded btw)
I was thinking about the fashion kiosk also, but i changed my mind about that.
I did say here about all the stuff i made at smb, you can send it to the graveyard.
And i still mean that, of course not the items that where posted under my name alone.
I know also how hard it sometimes was that she gets the credits, while indeed sometimes meshing took much longer then adding a few lines of code.
I do make hacks myself for sims2 so i can tell, and she never allowed me to create hacks while i was at smb, because she felt it was against her then.
I hated also the fact she didn't allow me to upload food under my name there.
So i think i rather have a little pain now and allow my meshes on the graveyard then to have even more pain by uploading them, and then get angry replies in my threads from her. (even she cannot do anything about that anymore since she doesn't share them anymore)

BTW do you know if Kathy from insim is on vacation or away or something?
I send her a pm a week ago but she didn't reply that yet.

I'm happy you have your forum there again and also i started again creating and uploading at MTS2.
I think this thread did wonders for me!

Also on a side note for everyone here, about Jan (female or not)!
Personally i don't know it, could be, but i think no, i do think hes a guy.
A week ago someone showed me a photo where Katy was holding a teddy bear that she got from Svetlanka.
And i was very surprised to see Katy wearing a wedding ring on that photo.
To ad it even more suspicious, she deleted that picture after she posted it again after about 20 mins, but little she knew that someone saved that picture on his/her computer, and gave it to me. (i will not reveal the name of who i got it from)
Maybe she realized suddenly her wedding ring was visible in it, and then deleted it.
For those who saw my story i posted here in this thread a while ago, know this came pretty hard over to me.
But i can tell i always had the feeling they might had something together.
So i think more that Jan and Katy where a couple. :)

HawkGirl, thank you for pointing that out what i indeed gave permission for.
I will wait a while and look what's uploaded there, and if i happen to still have some items made by me and Katy that aren't uploaded on the graveyard, then i will send those also to them there.

PS Funny how fast this thread has gone over into a Sims 3 thread LOL!  :lol:
To add my 2 cents about sims 3, they still are in development phase at maxis.
At this moment there isn't anyone besides them that know how it will look like.
But i''m sure it will look better then sims 2.
The day SimPe for sims 3 comes out or another likewise program, i will be creating for sims 3.
Like it was with most of the expansions, i think we will see only the first screens when it is almost complete.

Arrr! This be good grog!

Smithy there were some no name things I did leave out. I think they went with the Ready for Army set? It didn't have yours or Katy's name on them, and like I told Hope if I didn't see any name on the file at all I left it out. So you may need to double check that set after she gets it posted. Unless someone else already shared that set with them. I also don't believe I sent any of the Koisks when I sent the files because when I looked at them, there was so much that needed to go with them for them to work. I wasn't sure on some of them, if it was you or Hope. I didn't shared any of the beach things either because there was so much to that set, and the lot. Plus the skins needed for tanning were Helaene's?? I think.

Smithy,
Katy is gone. If there is something that you worked on toghether I urge you to upload it under your name. If MTS2 doesn'y accept it, put it on insim/sims2 world or my site, just upload it please.

ps. my site is www.sims2luxury.com

Well most of my packages end with "cpl", i'm not sure i did that also for the army set.
But be aware that set was done with 4-5 creators at that time.
Most meshes came from me and Fee, so i would better leave that one out on the graveyard.
I think it's better to wait now for if others also send some items to the graveyard.



that's very friendly of you Shanow, but i did upload a few things already on MTS2 in the meantime.
I also uploaded a few things for example a "cooking exhaust hood" that was never uploaded at smb but was normally part of a kitchen set.

I will not uploading anything that was made together by me and Katy.
Only the newspaper kiosk, that was under my name at smb and maybe the Fashion kiosk, because i worked very long on that mesh.
Also, i wouldn't feel good about it if i was to upload those things again, and 2nd, i think i want to close that chapter and move on.
I'm sure i still can offer much to the community with creating new things.
Over at MTS2 i now feel very good and i must say Delphy did much for me the last week to get my old account back and make me feel comfortable again.

I also have an offer from Insim that i still am waiting for a final response from Kathy there.
I think uploading at MTS2 together with insim and also Francy's and Rob's site i will have enough work.
But i will also try at least to put some objects at your site, but only new ones then if that's ok for you.
But at least allow me the time to have everything again uploaded at the other sites, it takes mighty long making new screens and uploading those things and meantime also creating new stuff.
When my account merge at mts2 is completely done, i will be making again foods also.
This together with hacks, new meshes and lots i think is enough to fill my days and to deliver quality uploads for my own, without thinking back at what i done before. :D

To wrap it up, as long as i don't see anywhere a ok from Katy to upload the things that where made together, i won't upload them under my name.
I think the graveyard is exactly the place where they belong for me.
And by myself i will not ask it to her.

Good for you Smithy, it's great to see your not hiding anymore and taking back what's yours. It's great to see you are uploading your creations.

As for me I would be left with few creations if I left out object hack clone's or team creations I would be left with nothing to upload.
So I have choosen to still upload my creations and some team creations I did with katy. But also in respect to her policy I don't allow my object meshes to be included with recolors ect. since most of them contain her hacks.
Im kinda screwed over though for special hacked objects that I requested and she hacked. Like Kids only tableset& bookcase which I clone alot for sets.
And the bunkbed of inge's that she fixed up for me so the sheets work & mattress is normal again. And before the site went down I started a new grow-up set that I cloned it for. I still think I will upload it whenever I get the full set done. Since it was done before then and other people I believe have cloned it like at TSR, so at least Im keeping it free.

But as for team creations from me and Swtness2, I will not re-upload our creations under my name. She was always good to me and Im leaving it up to her to decide if she wants to upload them or put them in the graveyard.

As for katy coming back and leaving nasty messages, Im not worried.
See Kathy is awesome and she hates that drama crap as much as I do.
So she said she will not be having it at her site and she will take care of those who try to. And also smithy if you go there the great thing is it's easy going. It's nice to be at a site where you don't have the stress of trying to reply to every post.

http://sims2world.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=280
I found a link that was send to me by yahoo group mail which I have posted at the above link.

If you read the description, you find it rather fishy.

Louisa

That is Jan. Don't join that group she's about crazy too. lol Could be the same Jan. Waving Hi :)

Could be same since it look like his way of doing.
 :roll: Louisa

I haven't visited Jan's link in awhile, so did I miss the discussion of this (from the "Related Link" at the bottom of the page)?
http://www.velvetvictoriansims2.com/

Nah it looks new, I just reported it on the paysite list in the treasure chest. What's the betting that Jan = Kim. :twisted:

Considering the really bad web design, the use of a non-standard font (again, though this time it's "Garamond") and the plug for donations before you even enter the site?  Yeah, it's probably just Jan.

Look like a 100% but this time is a she  :shock: . Guess Jan is a female then?
Or Jan trying to fool us?
Louisa

Louisa, I'm almost 100% sure that this Jan is a different one from the sims mod board's (male) Jan.

The female Jan the pirates mentioned here is the former owner of Main Street Sims and uncle Buck's Country sims. If you're interested in reading about her,  here (http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=1085&start=0) is a thread devoted to her. Be warned, though, the thread is over 100 pages long and Jan is a full-fledged lunatic. :roll:

If you start reading the thread, look for Jan's/Bev's/Charlotte's rants. They are highly amusing. :D

It's been dead for a while, so don't post in it, because Necromancy is bad. :)

It is confusing as Jan in English is a woman's name, but Jan and Kim are both male Scandinavian names. I thought the SMB Jan was male, but wonder if the choice of these names is deliberate.

Doesn't matter which Jan it is, IMO:

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/MusicalMaven/LOLcatz/janthing.jpg)

*hands Hec a few pain pills then pounces on her*

HECUBUS FTW!

I love that macro.
Marsha Marsha Marsha!
Gah!
 :lol:

What make me think is the same Jan because of the creator Katy & the way the rules were posted  :roll:

Sound almost like what (male) Jan will do!

 :lol: Louisa

It's the Main Street Sims Jan. If you click the donation button on the front page it takes you to a PayPal page where it lists the exact same email address that Main Street Sims Jan used for donations on her other sites.

Yeah, definitely Main St. I looked after I posted.  Now she has an imaginary daughter to go with the imaginary husband.

I wonder if I'm her cousin.

Now that's one thing I can't imagine, because you know how to spell...