PMBD

Okay, so this is largely a TSR bitch and maybe it should have gone on the TSR thread....but this is...well...odd and different and a little disturbing.

Shino and Kansas City Rose started a new site a few months ago called Sims Kitchen (http://www.simskitchen.com/). They have some great stuff, including a Pottery Barn dining set that I simply adore. All free, all great, happy days.

Last month, they joined TSR. Became Select Artists...which in my mind put them on the fast track for becoming FAs. However, the SK site remained free with few updates, and after grabbing the first pile of their uploads, I kinda forgot about their TSR minipage.

Well, today, they have become a Feature Artist. Fine. Whatever. It happens. Makes me crazy, but it happens.

THIS is what makes me go 'wait...what?':

They have uploaded two major sets - the Pottery Barn and the dishes/silverware/glassware set.  They're for PAY at TSR, but still FREE on their site....with no announcements and no sense that the items at SK WILL go pay or close or anything.

I'm very confused. And a bit outraged.

Needless to say, ALL of Shino&KSR's 'subscriber content' is being released in the booty ...but WTF???

This makes NO sense to me.

I think I need a pancake on my head.

*Puts pancake on Hecubus' head* :D

I have no clue, I am just as shocked. I am speechless again. Damn twice in one week. LOL

Thanks.

I just had this thought: can you imagine being an innocent Simmer...seeing the Pottery Barn set and deciding to subscribe to get it....downloading it...the clicking on S & K's site link and find they have the SAME SET FOR FREE?

I'd be fucking PISSED...I suspect that would tip me over the edge. If ever there was a situation that might make me become anti-paysite, that might be it.

edited because I'm stupid today.

Well, this is really depressing.  I can't help feeling cynical about TSR's success in luring new people.  How much are they paying them??

maybe they're confused about what it means to be owned by TSR. they could be trying to subvert the system but it seems unlikely. its probably just a fluke that will be corrected soon. especially when the spies read this thread.

It's a smart move, though. This way, they can get money from TSR, and at the same time no one can complain because "Hey, you can get it for free!". It's the same thing the paysite supporters, or rather the ones who are happy with the status quo, say.

Still, I imagine lots of people are too sheepish to actually leave TRC, much less follow links to websites... so it's no less of an assy thing to do.

I'm not the least bit surprised. KansasCityRose is a Simbella-ite. Enough said.

And Shino just registered here.  :wink:

I have no idea if they receive payment at TSR based on downloads or if its a flat fee.  Either way TSR is set up for a single subscription price so maybe getting a flat rate payment and having same items for free works out for them and dosen't make them feel like such a jerk....  :?

It's good to know the spy network is still running smoothly.

hi i'm the admin of simskitchen.
I just wanted to make a statement on why are now on TSR and why we kept our site on. You pay special attention to the word kept cause if you think that it is unfair to give them out for free we just stop it.
Why we did go to TSR?
After we opened our site (simskitchen) i was stunned by amount of downloads we got. Up until today we have 105959 downloads of sets and 56416 hits. We wanted to make a free site with freewill donation. I thought it whould at least pay for the Server costs which aren't that high. I thought their whould be at least 0.1 % of the people willing to support us, but guess how many donations we got up until now 2!!!!!(and they were both friends of us) out of about 10000 people thought they should support us keeping our site free.
So see it from our perspective we work our ass of to get those sets done and now you think we should pay money on top of that so you can enjoy our work. sry but i don't think so.
TSR has many members and hosts us for free and gives us nice incentives on top of that, why should we not accept that offer?
We wanted to keep our freesite up forever and make even updates for it.
I don't think that is unfair, but since you think it is i will take the site offline today.
And again thx to your post we decided to put the site offline.

Oh, for Pete's sake. Cry me a fucking river!

I don't believe that Hecubus' post is the reason you're taking your free content offline for a second.  You were going to do it anyway, and now you can say "Ooh - all the pirates fault - see how bad they are" because TSR only pays for an exclusive arrangement.

no we had an agreement with TSR. About keeping our old sets up on our freesite.
ps: let the flaming begin i want to see something

Perfect example of the Simbella attitude at work! With that attitude I'm not surprised you got only "2" donations. I do have to say, though, that it's nice to hear you openly say that you're doing it for the "incentives".

Oh, and I don't enjoy your work. It's high poly and badly textured. I dumped it right after seeing it in game. So, take heart - you'll fit right in at TSR.

(Don't mistake this for a flame - I'm sure others will oblige though.)

I don't think the original poster was bitching about it, either...just was confused.  It's odd to have an item for pay on one site and have it for free on the other.

Don't believe that for a second.

And I couldn't give a shit if you go pay - never heard of your site, not really interested.  You'll have to flame yourself I'm afraid.

This is probably all a ploy to get PMBD to provide her bandwidth. And the drama is a marketing stunt. Is it in the booty yet?  :lol:

I know that Hecubus was very sad that one of her fav creator goes pay now. I think she won't be anymore after that post, Shino. A good way to get rid of your fans, indeed.

I only wait for the moment when those creators that follow the call of the money stop blaming us, but realize they are responsible for their actions alone.

Sometimes I feel like a kindergarten teacher, lots of crying children with broken toys, and of cause NONE of them was responsible himself

Poor Hecubus! I am going to get her a card with a fluffy bunny on it!! Why do bad things happen to good people??? Why?!! It just isn't fair!! Let's all give her hugs to make her feel better. The mean people (formerly) at Simskitchen ought to be ashamed of themselves!!

Here, Hecubus!
http://www.hallmark.com/ECardWeb/ECV.jsp?a=5707192531600M212190666Y&product_id=

did anyone else notice how quickly this got around, that we had taken notice of the situation? shino was johnny on the spot with a registration and *his/her* side of the story. i don't think there was an agreement to keep the freesite up. i think that the TSR spies got wind of the thread, hit Shino up for an explanation as to why their newly acquired content was up for free and he/she/it came running over here to bitch. someone was wanting to eat their cake and have it too.

MTS2 will host ya for free and no one has to pay for it.

I don't know shino but do know about KCRose and she is very nice and makes things that peoples request alot.  there is no mean bone in her body but people accusing them of just wanting money could make them not understand or want to see what we are trying to do

Well, my mama told me that "actions speak louder than words."

I haven't heard of your site before.  However, if you would have just let us know that you wanted to stay a free site, we would have helped.  We have on many occassions.  If this is your choice, so be it.  I won't flame you, as I don't care.

To flame or not to flame, that is the question...

Since I am off on holiday soon and would really not enjoy it if I could not respond anymore for a while, I shall be nice I suppose. I think your reasons for taking you free site down are about the lamest excuses that one could give. You were going to do it anyway. It is a pattern with freesites that go to TSR. The leave the site up for a while, maybe not update as much and either they go down or they just sit. Hecubus was not complaining, she was confused because the same sets evidently were up for free on your site, and for pay on TSR. You however came over here whining, and we don't like whining. If I had more time, I would go further.  Have a great time at T$R.

I will say this before they really got their site going they uploaded a lot of this onto MTS2, and got high visability because of Loverats, and Amthests great recolors.  So they went over to TSR, and this was no surprise that everyone would want their dishes and silverware for their stores and all being that they were free downloads. Aikea Guinea, Shannanigan, KC& Shino, Simtomatic are just a few of the FA that got their start and learned everything from the MTS2 community, then jumped on the TSR bandwagon. nothing new.

Have to agree with Karu here. KCR is a very sweet person and I hope that we have not hurt her feelings simply by speculating aloud. Also, KCR uploaded many of her sets on MTS2 before, so she was well aware of that option.



I'm glad that you at least admit the reason for moving to TSR, i.e. the money. To my understanding, it is possible to move to TSR and keep your things free if you stay a SA. If your main motivation for moving there had been keeping your creations available to all community members, you would have been content with your SA status.

Also, there are several websites, such as wicked sims that offer free hosting for sims sites that have problems with bandwith/funding.



None of us flamed you, we were only speculating about the logic behind your decision. Now, having your files exclusively on TSR will generate  more downloads for you, and thus, also generate more money. You are entitled to make that decision, but to blame it on us "Oh, we're now exclusively on TSR, because of evil pirates" is just lame and childish.

Having read your post it is obvious you only wanted an excuse and found it here. I'm saddened by your decision, but I cannot say that I am surprised by it. Turning all your files into exclusive pay files does nothing for the community that helped you with free tutorials and help from other creators when you started meshing. But judging by your post, it is obvious that the community doesn't mean anything to you.

This sense of entitlement that make everyone decide to go pay is despicable and it makes me sick.

I would personally love to have the talent to make anything for the sims and if I had even 10 downloads I would be exalted and consider it worth it.

And here you are, whining about payment for your time and going to the worst site available.

I loathe you.

Keep hoping. You're frankly too unknown and irrelevant to have me even remotely interested in flaming you.

Jesus, you people who go pay are all so predictable.

I didn't look to see how long it took for Shino to post after I did....I assume that they hve someone at TSR who watches us as soon as Thomas promotes someone to see how long it will take for us to notice.

Not long, as you can see.

In fact, when Elize was promoted yesterday, I had her stuff in the booty before Thomas could finish updating her minisite. Shino & KCR took a tad longer for me since I really didn't expect them to be next.

But no matter.

Sparkle, the card cracked me up ...and cheered me up. Of course, I"m heartbroken...and in a very real sense, it bothers me that (a) they went to TSR at all and (b) Shino had to ruin my affection for their stuff. I try very hard to separate the art from the creator...hence, I can watch most Tom Cruise movies despite his insanity.... but sometimes, well, when it is personal (which this apparently is), I feel like taking all their stuff out of my game.

Too bad, too. I sent lots of people to your site, Shino. I sent at least two emails to you complimenting you on the objects AND on the free status. No more. It's too bad. While Duckie wasn't fond of your stuff, I adored it.

No flame. Just utter disappointment.


By the way...and this is a comment to all paysite creators who come here looking to 'tell their story' or 'set the record straight'. You may have some credibility with other pay creators, but most of hte community, including the free-sims-for-all people, have little respect for you. And we're not talking minor people either. We're talking major sites, with top designers. Just so you know. You don't win friends when you go pay. is a few dollars/euros/pounds in your pocket worth that?

Unfortunately for some, Hecubus, it is.
I'm still in shock over how quickly this woman came over here to start shit and blame it all on PMBD *yay, that's right!*
It's obvious she had atleast that part planned from the get-go., the blaming it on file-sharers and pirates drivel.
She could have atleast tried some originality and told, I don't know...the truth about it all, maybe?
Bah.
To hell with you, simkitchen lady.
You just go ahead and take your toys...their here already anyway.

Shino, I'm not going to flame you. Won't even blow tobacco smoke at you. Know why? You're beyond pathetic and need some boosting. Too bad you'll have to put up with back-stabbers and assholes to try and get it at TSR... shame, really.
Yeah, I'm feeling mellow. It's the after-glow from seeing the first two Pirates of the Carribean movies for the first tme...

I've never heard of that site before...
and I've been around since the Sims1 came out  :?


oh well, maybe I will check out their stuff in the booty   :wink:

See, this is what always gets me. A few years ago I was active in the cartoon doll community (little pixel dollies modified from the original Palace dolls) and nobody EVER felt like their visitors owed them something for their creations. They paid out of their own pockets to keep their sites up for their own enjoyment and others', and while it may be different from Sims 2 sites, there were a few extremely popular sites that had to shell out extra money for bandwidth. It was rare to even see a donation button on a doll site. (I know running a pixel doll site without downloads would probably be cheaper for the most part than running a Sims 2 download site, but there were some that hosted their own [large] forums, hosted other sites, etc.)

Where I'm getting with this is -- people sometimes have to spend money on their hobbies. If you don't have the money, go to MTS2, contact Jessica of Wicked Sims, ask us pirates for help, etc.

But I guess it really is all about the extra perks for some people.

It blows my mind when people think they have to earn a living selling pixels illegally to uninformed people instead of getting a real fucking job. How much more lazy can you get? I totally agree with MizzKitty. I can't make custom content to save my life, but if I could, I'd be thrilled to receive any number of downloads of it. It makes me happy to give nice people stuff.

I'm playing the world's tiniest violin for you right now, Shino.

at this point i think we're just feeding an ego by continuing to post in this thread. so let us fix this:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k172/medowning/nomoar.jpg)

My thoughts exactly. I've never heard of the site, so I went there and was NOT impressed. No loss.

My last word about this topic and then I'm gonna do my damnedest to derail it. Shino, your name reminds me of something. Like Shinola! Which my dad said means bullshit. You're proving it more and more.

Now, for my derailment. Did no one notice that I had written in tiny type that I had just seen the first two Pirates of the Carribean for the first time tonight? I am no longer a POTA virgin! And at my age, there isn't a whole lot of virginities to lose... I loved those movies, they fucking rocked and ripped apart the screen. Wish I could have seen them at the theater, but this way I can pause the damn thing to get more popcorn or visit the can. Yeah! Now I can't wait to see the third one! We borrowed my nephew's copies and are going to get our own, along with the third one. Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait! But, I will say that while Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom looked very good as pirates, nothing will ever replace Kevin Kline as the Pirate King of my heart! Yummy!
One line from the first movie reminded me of this site, it's when Jack told Will to "hide the rum!" Can you draw the conclusion as to why that would be? Lol!

Paden, there is an old saying, which my father used to use all the time, "That fool doesn't know shit from shinola." Which means that the person is an ignorant ass, of course. But I asked him (he would have been 84 this year, so you know how old this product is) about shinola back in the 60s when I was a kid, and he said that back when HE was a kid, Shinola was a shoe polish. Therefore, someone who doesn't know shit from shinola might be smearing shit all over his shoes!  :lol:  Because he is an ignorant ass.

Also, I love Pirates of the Carribbean so much I have bought them all, and in the third one, Orlando Bloom is so hot, and Kierra Knightley is so annoying, that even though I have to buy it, I will fast forward through the parts where Kierra is gassing on and on with her one facial expression.

I also have Pirates of Penzance on DVD. I even memorized the songs at one point. My kids gave me a CD for listening to in the car of all the Disney pirate songs~
 :)

As some of you may have noticed, i didn't take the our Site off and i never intended to. I posted the way i did for 2 main reason.
1. To give you a big target that feeds your expectation of us.
This part should provoke reaction and worked out pretty well i think.
2. To raise the question "Why is it bad move to keep your old content free even if you go pay?"
That part didn't work as i expected cause, i guess i made the target to preeminent.
So i ask the questions now more direct. Yes we did go to TSR for selfish reasons, but how do you think keeping our free site up is selfish too. I really don't get it, we don't get money out of it, we don't get praised for it, and we have to pay money for it. On top of we restrict the download potential of our sets at TSR and giving you an easy way to get them in your booty. So how is this a selfish and evil move from our side?

My reasons for being here and talk to you despite the fact that expect you to just flame me. I want to know if there is more reason to your actions then just greed, jealousy and the i hate everything attitude that comes naturally with the puberty.
I mean you speak so low of the people the sims community is build on and i don't talk about us in particular. The way i understand you everyone that donates something or subscribes to TSR is an idiot cause he could get it for free. I mean without people donating there would be no MTS2 for example.
And you think creators are your peons who work all day for you.
You talk about the community, hide behind sentences like, we want to protect the community from the evil that paysites are, don't make me laugh. All that drives you is greed. The thing that drives a community is the give and take of its members. You take and take and take and the second somebody stops giving it to you turn into a little child running in circles crying "i want i want i want".
I hope my words weren't too insulting, but i wanted to show you the 2d picture i have of you. I hope you can prove me wrong but i don't expect it.

There are only a few people in this thread i want exclude out of this picture and i want to address some good point made.
First of all the all time favorite you learned it on MTS2 for free and now you want money for it. Of course we took something namely knowledge out of the MTS2 community, but i think we gave something back too, in form of the sets we uploaded and donations.
Then there is you should be willing to spend a little money on your hobbies. As i understand it, one of your hobbies is playing sims, so why aren't you willing to spend some money on it? And if you do something you like and someone gives you money for it why shouldn't you take it.
And last but not least "You don't win friends when you go pay". You don't win friends by paying for them.

ps: to all the flamers posting that you don't bother to post is just stupid and was the entertainment i wanted to get out of my last ps

Actually, uh, I think paying for the games themselves is enough. No one owes YOU any money.

That's enough of that.



Oh, thank you. I can't stand her, and it makes me sad she'd be paired up with someone like Johnny Depp. (Whom I will never grow tired of, despite his being the most stereotypical object of girls' lust.. besides Brad Pitt.) It also makes me so angry she was cast as Elizabeth in the newer Pride and Prejudice.  :evil:

I need to see the other two POTC movies. Are they worth it, despite my hatred for Keira Knightley and Orlando Bloom? Can my lust for Johnny Depp make up for them?

Again the same thing is true the other way around
a creator doesn't owe you any of its work.
And you didn't answer the question we need to pay for the game to you know. The point is not that you have to give me money, it's why am i evil if i don't give you something?

Shino,
First, I already paid the appropriate, copyrighted, licensed entity that owns the Sims 2.  Second, I never asked you for anything.  Third, donations are given because a community wants to support the artist/site.  I don't know what kind of community you live in, but mine is heavily military.  I do things all the time for those in my community that involve my time and my money and never, ever ask nor expect anything in return.

You continue to be childishly condescending and I won't be manipulated by it.  I don't believe that everyone who donates to TSR in an idiot.  There are many creators with huge amounts of talent that are at TSR, make no mistake that I have said this in previous posts.  The problem with a site such as TSR is that instead of having a true community spirit, you must pay to enjoy the entire community within the site.  There are many who play Sims from foreign countries that simply cannot afford to pay for content.  Especially when there is no guarantee, when items are photoshopped, when items do not animate to game specifications, and so on.  

I really don't understand your purpose at coming here to just bait us to watch us react to you.  Get a life, already.  Go have your friends pay to be a part of your world.  We, however, prefer that noone pays to be a part of ours.  We may not handle everything the way someone else might, we may be brash and rude, but we're not fake, we don't lie, we don't say we're one thing and then act another - we're not posers.  So, best of luck to you in your pursuits at TSR.   Ciao!

Pot, meet kettle.

There's is a major difference between us and the paysite owners/creators. We don't get anything of value out of what we do. Nothing. Nada. Zip. (And don't say that these creations are worth something. They aren't)

Greedy? Perhaps. But is it wrong to desire something that should be free anyway? The point we have here is that paying for content is not only complete and utter shit, but it's also illegal. We're finally taking a stand and saying we're tired of it.

If you don't have the money to run a site, then don't do it. Simple as that. If you like to create stuff for the sims, that's awesome, create away. It's your choice. No one is forcing you do it. This isn't a job where you MUST do it. This is something everyone should simply be doing for fun. Not for a quick buck. And that's what even you now said you are doing. Again, pot meet kettle.

The reason it's bad to keep your content free somewhere else? I believe someone here answered that by saying something to the effect of, wanting to eat the cake and keep it too. You're making some people PAY for a creation that's also free elsewhere. Which is cheating people out of their money. That's craptastic.

Oh, and I'm sure many, if not all, of these people are well past puberty.

 :wink:

I don't see how we take, as you call it when the booty is paid for and then shared that is called giving.  We have already paid for our hobby when we bought the game.  The whole point of this site is that you shouldn't have to pay for custom content for the game.  No one here thinks that creators are peons to work for us all day yes there are people like that but that is everywhere.  I honestly don't see how this site is being greedy when it is actually sharing.

WHERE did anyone say that keeping your original free items up was selfish or evil?  Hecubus initially expressed confusion that Thomas permitted the items to be hosted for free elsewhere while they were pay on TSR.  Hecubus LOVED YOU, MAN.  *emotear*  And your items went into the booty because if someone charges for it, it goes in the booty.  Plain and simple.



Either you're a hypocrite or an idiot, take your pick.  



And yet, magically, MTS2 has never held content hostage in order to generate donations!  Why is this such a difficult distinction for paysite creators to make?  Please explain this, I'm genuinely curious.



*snort*

Yes, I don't know about anyone else, but I personally consider Nouk, Dour, Ren, Berg, HP, and any other of the many major (and totally fabulous) free creators to be my personal slaves.  GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN AND FIX ME A SAMMICH, BITCHES!

I actually expect *more* of a pay creator than a free creator.  A free creator asks for nothing in return.  My way of compensating them, I respect their TOSes, offer feedback, etc.

On the other hand, if I plunk money down for an item, I expect to be able to do anything I wish with it.  If I want to lend my new jeans to my little sister, I will, and the same goes for pay content.  I also expect those items to be lower-poly, well-made, and non-game borking, as if those same jeans, say, became ripped, you can bet they'd be going back to Nordstrom's in a heartbeat.  There is no consumer protection for payees in this community, which only heaps insult onto injury.



Yeah, we were sooooo taking when we offered the Main Street Sims crazies free hosting and enough donations to cover their costs.  We just ripped the cash out of poor Jessica's hands when generous donators made sure she'd be able to pay for Wicked Sims' new server.  God help you had you thought maybe to ask us for assistance.  We might have, I don't know, HELPED YOU.  Heaven forbid!

Good Lord.  You sound like my ex.



You did give back.  And now you've stopped giving, by demanding financial compensation and taking your toys and going home.  No one's saying that paysites = sources of all evil in the universe here.  But you've knocked out all that previous good karma you earned from being part of the free community by shaking down your fans.



If I like smoking crack, and my friend offers me $50 for a rock, I should like, OMG, totally take their money!  Because I like smoking crack and someone's offering me money for it!  Never mind that the difference between possession and possession with intent to sell is at least 5 extra years in jail!

Okay, that example might be a bit extreme, but crack must be involved if you still don't realize that selling content is in direct violation of EA's TOU.  And yes, darlin', you signed that contract too.



There are two essential problems with this statement.

A)  If that isn't true, then explain Paris Hilton.
B)  NO ONE IS PAYING FOR FRIENDS HERE.  One of the principles that guides PMDB is developing community through a level playing field and a free exchange of items and information.  That's one obscenely healthy principle.  (Pescado is excluded, of course.  His only motive for being here is MOAR FIGHT!)



You entertain far too easily.  Here's a ball of yarn.

Untrue.  You do not "need" to buy the game.  You "choose" to buy the game.  There is a large difference there.  Your grammar is a little off, so English may not be your first language so forgive me if it is a matter of translation rather than semantics.


The reason there is the Booty, is that for the longest time people would cry that they needed to be a paysite because of their bandwidth bills.  So these fine folks (ignore their tempers) go out, purchase the files (they pay for every single one, no stealing!) and save you the bandwidth by uploading them to this site, with full credit given.  You won't find one single thing in the Booty that is misrepresented.  (Unless it was done so by the original, credited creator.)

When more and more paysites started finding out about the Booty, they got mad.  It turns out that it WASN'T the bandwidth they needed.  The argument turned from "We need it to pay bandwidth!" to "But, as a creator, it's my right to charge".  You see the difference there?  

There really isn't any point in either side getting heated up anymore.  The issue is out there, more and more forums aren't blocking the PMBD website.  You will either follow the contract you agreed to, or you won't.

It's wrong to offer the set as pay at TSR when it is free elsewhere. You are tricking people into subscribing for something that they may not know is already free.

The kind people here spend their time donating, sorting, and updating the booty without any incentives other than a thanks so that people, some who can't afford to pay Thomass and his greedy minions, can download content that should be free to them.
The fact that you still have your donation button on your site makes laugh at your hypocrisy. You want people to pay at both places for the same content?
And what does "the puberty" have to do with the anything?

No offense to any creators, but I think the game is built mostly on fans who play the game or in my case, people who download for the game. The game is still playable without any custom content. It might not be as fun, but it's still playable.

I work Monday through Friday at a job I don't really like for a paycheck that isn't enough. I give some of that money to EA for the game and expansions. They are the only ones that should make profit from sims. If you think so highly of yourself maybe you should put in a job application with them. Someone mentioned they were hiring. The address was even posted. I don't owe you or TSR a damn thing. And speaking of owe, how much do you pay in taxes? I work, and I have to pay them. Shouldn't you have to pay taxes as well?


I am willing to spend some money on sims when I but it from the EA, and if they don't clear this shit up by sims 3, I'm not giving them any more damn money either. I'd rather not play at all if I'm expected to pay for the game and custom content too.

ps: Will you shut up about flaming/flamers already?

You miss understand what i am saying i have not that big of a problem understanding why you sharing the content of the game. I did never say we did go to TSR because we didn't get our bandwith paid for. That fact played only a little towards the decision to go there.
The thing i'm curios about and find a bit strange, is that you justify your greed with the greater good.
For example say something like there are people in poor foreign country we are trying protect from you. I mean come on give me break. I am sure they way bigger problems then getting all content there is for sims 2.
You shouldn't have to pay for the custom of a game. Nobody force you to do so. There tons of free content for sims 2 more then for any other game i know of.  Even your "enemy" namely TSR has 21418 sets free for download. And we to have free content on our site. But you gotta have it all, sry but thats just greed plain and simple. No one force you to have 50 gb download folder.

Why MTS2 never holds sets hostage?
The question on it's own is hilarious. You can't take something hostage that belongs to you. If i make a set i think i am entitle to choose which persons i want to share it with.
And the answer is cause such nice people that they carry such a big weight for you and me too of course. They have big problems raisin enough money for the server costs every month and put loads of their own into it so you can appreciate it for free. And did give them something back for it.

And last but not least it's untrue, you need buy the game in order to make content for it.

You guys have managed to make my day again *chuckle* I sure know where to go to get some serious entertainment.  :lol:

I agree with MizzKitty; every time I make a thing for sims2 (maybe 5 things in total, so not that much) , and I happen to get one download and one person gives me a good comment, I am happy for an entire week, and that is more than enough for me! So every time someone is complaining about downloads and donations and whatever excuses they create in their heads for pure greed, I almost want to throw up. I say almost because honestly, it's not worth even that. :wink:

*smiles sweetly* Sheesh, Shino! You've made a choice! Now live with it!  :roll:

Oh no. Someone is doing something selflessly! At the same time, when MTS2 announced the last donation drive, they were over their goal within 72 hours. Nobody had to be given an incentive. The community was simply asked "hey, people, we need money, little help?" and because they are so loved everyone banded together to pay for the new server. My best example of a wonderful free-site is http://all-about-style.com/ Judie always has beautiful content FOR FREE and she never asks for anything from us. She could use the bandwidth excuse or succumb to the greed of TSR but she doesn't. The Sims 2 community is unique in that there is a large portion of us that have rejected the commercializm of other venues.


*edit* I just had an amazing idea! We should make an award for those sites that are examplary community members. They should be everything that a free-site should be. By posting them here we could effectively advertise those that are good and by giving them a graphic award for their site to display *if they wanted to* we could bring more people into the fold. It would also serve to show that we do love legitimate, free sims site and drive home the point that we do not redistribute free files.

Insimenator.net (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=54819) is also in need of donations at the moment, and they are a fantastic site with great free content, so hopefully the community will group together and help them :)

Sorry off topic!

Ok, just so I completely understand your points, they are:  You understand why we share, you shouldn't have to pay for it if you don't want to p - get free stuff shithead, anyone who downloads cc is "plain greedy", people who can't afford subs or donations are just shit out of luck, when you create you have the entitlement to the content you created based on a game and coding platform you don't own, MTS2 is nice and the rest you lost me on.  Justify our greed for the greater good?  You are talking nonsense.  I have no files from the booty in my game.  Why?  A lot of it doesn't even work or looks nothing like the pictures from the originating site.  How about the false advertising done on paysites?  

You know what I think, I think that we are a place that you can come and say whatever you want, to flame or not to flame, is determined on the posts.  I think paysites come here to be abused, they expect it, hell they ask for it - you did.  Is that why you are still coming here?  We have for the most part laughed you off and have not torn at you as we could.   Go to TSR with my blessings.  If you attitude is I can make it, show it, but I only choose who can have it - why create in the first place?  Creators - don't you create for the fun and love of it - the appreciation?  The satisfaction of knowing that you did something that people all over the world are using in their game because they admired what you created?  So, Shino, do whatever you want with your creations, ok?  Just know this, when someone thanks you are they thanking you because they feel obligated to or because they want to?  Maybe you don't care, it would seem that unless you are paid for it, you just could care less whether or not anyone wants your objects in the first place.  I don't want to be a part of your type of community, self-serving as it is.

EDIT:  Thanks CJ, I will up my monthly donation now.  Appreciate the info.

I giggle at how much you show your own greed every time you post. You say that the fact you had to pay for bandwith but that was only part of the reason you went to TSR. So tell me, does your greed somehow magically become less of an issue than our alleged greed? Because you keep speaking about our 'greed' as though it is something vile and nasty. Yet for the most part ignore anything about your own greed, as if it is not as important. Double standard? I think so.

Can't take something hostage that doesn't belong to you, you say? Tell that to TSR. They missed the memo.

I don't need it all. In fact, I don't want it all. I just want what should be available to me for free. It's not about the objects in my mind, it's the fact that these items aren't available to me because someone is being a greedy bastard. That to me is the bigger issue. I would like the option to download them just like I can download things from MTS2. But no, I'm denied access to these items because I'm not willing to pay a greedy person.

still waiting for Shino to answer the question:

"And speaking of owe, how much do you pay in taxes?"


cuz guess what?  you know that $$$ you are taking in?

it's called......income

 :wink:

TSR holds items hostage, because it won't delete the items of people who have chosen to leave or have been forced to leave.  TSR makes a practice of offering money to free sites to shut them down and lock their content away.  TSR sucks, basically.

I'm not entitled to anything you make, but you're not entitled to money for Sims content, either.

Oh HELL NO.  Don't even try and use that as an excuse.  If you enjoy creating content for the game, then buy the game.  If you don't, then don't.  But do NOT try and pass off your copies of the game and the expansion packs as a business expense onto your fans.  That's just petty.

ok this my last post
@yaardarm enough. is that ok for you how much do you? (i am not really interested) and what does this to do with subject anyway?
You all just dodge the questions i ask and keep on bashing cause you want it that way. I think  "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you." says it all. That's all this community is destroying another community namely TSR.
If you put the time and effort you put in destroying something into creating something this world would be a better place. Thats just my opinion.
And if you can't get the logic behind nobody force me to give you something and nobody force you give me something. I can't help.
I never made a big deal about why i am now on tsr nor did hide it behind something like the greater good.

Shino mentions that MTS2 never hold sets hostage because you can't take hostage something that belongs to you.  Well, no of course they don't.  MTS2 recognizes that the sets posted at their site belong to the creators and the community they were created for.  That's the whole point - not only does TSR hold sets "hostage" but asking for money before you can access what they consider to be the "best" downloads, but they're well known for refusing to take down items when a creator leaves.  They are under the impression that once an object is uploaded, it now belongs to TSR.    You can't even begin to compare the attitudes of the two sites when it comes to custom content - they are at opposite ends of the spectrum.  And, I've got a feeling you understand this perfectly despite your arguments.

As for being entitled to share your creations with just the persons you wish to share it with - you've got a point.  You do have the right to share with who you wish.  When I bake a batch of cookies, I pass them out to my friends, family, or students.  I CHOOSE who to give them too - in real life.  When I write a fanfiction story on the other hand, and post it on the internet, I understand that I am choosing to share this with ANYONE in the world who has access to it.  And I'm well aware that I may run across it somewhere other than where I posted it - whether I want it there or not.  Because when you post something online, you've just shared it with everyone  - regardless of whatever obstacles you put in place to prevent that.  That's the nature of the online communitites that have developed thanks to the internet.

I wasn't going to post on this thread but I have to now. NOBODY has bashed you. Nobody. You have come here expecting to be bashed and trying to make us flame you. You should be ashamed because you have hurt one of the nicest (although she won't admit it) people I have met on the internet. She loved your things and instead of appreciating it you slap her in the face by going pay. On top of that you try to make us feel bad by saying "But you guys didn't donate to me!!!" WELL YOU DIDN'T ASK. If you would have asked for donations to cover your site we would have all probably pitched in. And for your info, we are trying to make a better community. It's people like you that make this community worse. You are trying to blame us because you realize now that you fucked up. Don't blame us do like you just said don't hide behind anything. Don't blame us for your fuck up.

Note: That is AW signature. Her signature is meant to be funny not our motto.

I advise that you sit back, munch some popcorn and relax, because now my blood is hot.

Greed. You arrogant little bint. WE are not the one selling a product that we have no right to sell. You would have a right to sell it if you had inked an employment contract with EA Games to create content for sale on the net. Have you? No. If anyone had, it would be spread all over the community like manure on a farm field. You are so full of shit that it's not hard to see that there will be no talking sense to a person like yourself.

You accuse of us of greed when you are the one trying to make money from a product that you do not own any rights to.
You have gone to a site that sucks the wallets of the unwary and offers nothing for the most part but unadulterated shit. Grow the fuck up. Clean the shit out of the cavity between your ears and just think for once with the brains that the Good gave you.

Don't even drag puberty into this, most of us here have more maturity in our little fingernails than you in your entire body. We know what it is to actually give back to those who want it. If you want something from the booty, it's there for you to take. You don't have to even register. We trust the downloaders and don't want to try and put a leash on who has what. How dare you?! Such stupidity as your normally suggests heavy drug usage sapping at what remain of your brain cells.

Many of us here give to free sites to help them support their bandwidth and server upgrades. Look at what happened with MTS 2 last week. Or are you bright enough to make sense of that? I'm having some trouble reconciling your attitude. You are becoming a pixel whore and you get angry with us because we believe that you are wrong? Damn. Someone needs to take an ethics/morals course, and it ain't us.

You accuse us of greed, which is one of the seven deadly sins. Hmmmm, I can think of some others of those that apply to you.
Greed applies to you because you wish to be paid for something you aren't entitled to because you don't work for EA Games. You want to rip off the community you claim to defend.

Pride is another, because you think you are worthy of being paid and that your pixels are top notch. News for ya, kid, they're not. Tried something of yours and my game barfed, and I have a powerful game computer.

Wrath is yet another because you seem pissed as hell that we called you on it. You don't like being scolded for doing something wrong because it makes you feel as if you were a child again, which again brings in that sin of pride.

Sloth is yet another because if you had any ambition at all, you'd be out doing something with your life instead of sitting at the computer making a set of pixels to sell and wondering just how much money you can bilk the public out of to get it.

You've got a good start on them but I have no clue as to lust, envy, or gluttony because I don't know your habits. Nor do I wish to. You speak from both sides of your mouth. You claim that you're part of the community but somehow I see you as a diary farmer overlooking a herd of cows. You want to see just how much you can milk out of them before they are disposed of. Sad. That you see your fellows as nothing more than a means to line your pockets. There's nothing wrong with doing commerce with your fellow humans, not at all. So long as you have the proper permits, tax forms and contracts. Got any of those? No? Then may I cordially invite you to go and fornicate with yourself? In plain words, go fuck yourself even sillier than you are.

Goddamn little teenybopper gum-chewing childish bitch, try to get all condescending to me... I'm not gonna sit still while someone who probably ought to still be in Junior High gets all snotty and haughty insults me and my friends, I don't think so. Little bitch signed a contract when she installed that game and now she's trying to default on it and make money for herself that she's not entitled to... someone needs to slap her and I would but shit splatters and I've just had a shower... grumble grumble grumble...

TSR is largely destroying themselves. They do things that are seriously wrong, we merely point them out and go, wtf?

Since you seem to think that we've avoided all your questions, which if you go back and read most of the posts you can get the answers, I shall repost your actual questions and answer them for you or tell you where they were answered so you can go review said answers.


You aren't evil. No one said that you were evil. It's 'evil' of you to assume that we must pay you for fan creations for a video game. It's a stupid idea really.



This was answered by myself and a few others on page three and four.

Those are the only questions that I can seem to find. Everything else was mostly assumptions and statements made by you. But if you have anything else you wish to ask, I'm sure someone will be happy to answer very quickly.

We're aren't hiding anything. We're doing exactly what was meant to be done with custom content: sharing it with the entire community. Not holding some hostage until someone pays for it. All of the items on the booty were paid for, so there was no stealing involved. And the idea of a 'greater good' is very idealogical. In a situation like this, there is a right and there is a wrong. The wrong is making people pay for content. The right is sharing it with everyone. There are no shades of gray in this situation, at least none that I can see. And now that I think about it, I fail to see how we're being greedy when many pay for these items, only to share them with everyone. Isn't that the complete opposite of being greedy?

ok sry i can't help it paden, but you so much effort in that i think you should get an reaction.
Finally you show your true face ^^ and i get what you think i wanted in the first place. Enteraining post way to go.

Popcorn? Man, I went and grabbed a bag of chips and an ice tea. Paden, your posts are way beyond entertaining when your blood is hot. They're brilliant.  :D

Shino,
I don't think you understand the way some of us feel.  I believe it is WRONG to charge for custom content for ANY game, be it Sims or any other game.  The only people that have a right to charge for game content are the game publishers themselves.  Almost no other 'community' that I know of tolerates this.
Many of those here feel the same.  There are several ways to 'deal' with people selling custom content.  One is simple peer pressure, or even shaming, in many 'communities' those work.  Here people PURCHASE the custom content, and then share it.  Granted, it may be in a legal 'grey area', but everyone here feels 'once I buy it, since it is not legal, I can share it'.
Another issue has been the quality of what has been paid for.  Simply put, if somethingis paid for, it should be higher quality then what is free.  Now I am NOT calling your stuff inferior quality, I don't have,  it is not the category of things I am interested in.  My point is, by going to a pay site, you are by association, condoning the practices of that particular site.  Such things as NOT supporting 'borked', or non-functioning, broken or even DANGEROUS items that people are PAYING for.  On many free stes, if an item is not working properly, the 'community' there will help get it working.  On TSR, the attitude is 'oh well, thanks for the $$$'.  On most free sites, the creators get feed back, suggestions and help, which leads to better quality items.  Complain on most paid sites, and you'll get ignored, or banned WITHOUT REFUND OF UNUSED SUBSCRIPTION!
As for the 'hostage' complaint, TSR is VERY guilty of this.  Let me put it to you this way.  Say a few months from now, you decide you want to leave TSR.  Guess what- everything you created while there, and maybe some of the stuff you created earlier but hosted there, will STAY there.  TSR will continue to make $$$ from YOUR work.  When peole leave other sites, usualy, if they want their stuff removed, it is.  Not at TSR.
TSR defends this with 'We paid them for it, it is ours to continue to sell, give away, whatever".  You see, it will no longer be yours.  Someone else will make money from YOUR work, YOUR creations, even if you don't want them to.  Don't tell me this is the same as creating something for a job.  The 'rule of thumb' used in many countries is:  if you use an employers tools, materials, a 'space' to create an item, they own it.  If you create using your OWN tools, equipment, ect, it is yours.  SO why won't TSR give it back?  Why, if you try to post it elsewhere do they try to have it removed?  That has happened on the Exchange several times.

From what I have read, the stuff on your site was well liked and respected.  You had many fans.  Fans who were puzzled by why you were going pay (and to some extent, why some stuff was both pay and free).  If you had responded differently, you simply would have had some puzzled and possibly dissapointed fans.  Now you have people who, because of your attitude, don't want your stuff EVEN IF IT WERE FREE.

Let me ask you this.  Why did you start creating and SHARING in the first place?  To make money?  Was your thoughts as worked and struggled with the first item 'I can get rich doing this'?  Or was it for a sense of accomplishment, the joy of 'I did it' when you were done?  The thrill that others actualy LIKED whay you were doing?  That is why most people do this, to create and SHARE.

To put it in a nushell, many around here feel betrayed.  Someone whose work they liked and RESPECTED has SOLD OUT[/b].

Because you said it yourself that it's selfish.






No, we speak low of businesses - which are different from community.



Don't even put them in the same category - they're not.  Cause if you didn't notice, you can go there right now and download featured creations for free.



And if you put some more time into sharing and community, they'd actually stand behind you.

My true face? You've got no idea of what my true face is. You wouldn't be able to handle what has made me who and what I am, so shut the hell up. I care about my fellow humans and don't like to see them hurt or ripped off. Especially Hecubus! She is one of the sweetest, most honest and honourable people I know. The same goes for armywife, HideTheRum, RedLove, HP, Captain Jojoba, kierra and many others on this forum! I've met people here that make me daily glad that I didn't die when I had the fucking chance, that I stepped back from what I was doing. Fuck you. Stupid little snot. I've known people who get ripped off from the various paysites, and their shit broke games and all the creators would say was. "ooops, not my fault. You can't have a refund." What kind of shit is that? I feel sorry for you, I really do. I respect the good creators. You are not one of them. If I had a way to donate to keep those free sites going, I would. I won't get a credit card because of what can be done with them. The debts that can be incurred. I do my donating by money order and snail mail. And it is to free sites. So, feck off. You have no clue as to what I do with my time, the people I help or the life I lead. Don't even presume to think that you've seen my true face. My father's first wife taught him to show one face to the world, one face to family, one to friends, and one for himself alone. He taught me the same, but for the most part, I show who I am with every breath I take, unless someone as yourself comes around and then you will never know who I am. I stand up for my friends and what is right against someone like you, who only sees the gleam of profits to be made and to hell with the morality. Why don't you just stand on a street corner and sell yourself like any other whore, be it virtual reality or life-time reality. No one has the right to profit from this game except for EA Games. Which part of this do you refuse to get through your head? Do you think that just because you buy the EPs that you have to try to get the cost back from the public? We aren't tearing apart this community. We are giving back in the best way possible. We buy the sets, we then post them for free. That is charity, which I see that you will never understand. Until it sinks into your head that what people like you are doing is wrong, we'll be here. No other gaming community stands for selling mods for the games they play. Why should this one? Why should we put up with something that encourages elitism and one-ups-manship? If I want that game, I'll go to a fucking class reunion and I've avoided those for 24 years. I don't need them. I know who I am as a person and those people don't fit into it. Nor do you. But attack me, saying that now I should true colours, and you are gonna get your ass ripped so bad you're gonna be shitting in tandem with yourself. You want to make the world a better place? Then try giving something back instead of taking. We PAY for every set. Then WE, not you, GIVE it away. We paid for it, it's ours, we do as we will with it. Once you've been paid, you lose any say over what happens to it because you lose that right once the deal has been transacted and the money forked over. Stupid little twerp. Twerp, not twat. Although, if you become obnoxious enough, you could be made into a different catagory than Tuetonic, I suppose... Grow up. And I didn't start out my replies to you with flaming, you didn't merit it. But when you come back and try to hide under a bridge like the troll you seem to be becoming, then I'm gonna play billy goat gruff with your silly ass and knock you into the deepest ditch I can find! You've made your position clear and that you won't see sense and back down. We've got the high ground on this one and we're not giving up. Not until people like you are taken down or EA give a clear and non-bullshit statement coming down on the side of you people. Maybe, not even then... At least their content comes with an assurance that your game won't crash from using it. Does yours? More like yours should come with one saying that it will fuck you over from here to damnation.

Bravo, Paden.
Shino, I have to comment.

The only example other than the Sims I can come up with is with movies.

Let's say that I go out and buy 300. *which I did last night. good movie, btw.*
Now let's say I allow my mother to borrow and watch it.
That's okay. It's legal.
BUT, let's say I decide to show the movie in my home, but CHARGE people to come and watch it.
That's ILLEGAL, because I am making money off it.

Same with Sims.
You make something and allow it to be freely shared. It's gets passed down from person to person to enjoy.
That's legal.
You make something that you decide must be paid for. You create a set and say...charge even $1.
That's illegal, because you are making money off of it.

It's the same thing. Just different formats of entertainment.

Okay, another scenario.

I paint. So let's say I paint a beautiful picture. *ego boost..lol*
I show this picture in my home. Lots of people love the painting and like to come see it and others.
I get fans of my work.
BUT, if I start charging people for the pleasure of viewing it, I will lose fans.
Not only because I have changed it from free to pay, but ALSO because of the simple fact that I would dissapoint them.
And when you dissapoint a fan, you tend to lose them forever.
Morally, what I did would have been wrong, because it was greedy and selfish.
Morally what YOU did was wrong because it's the same thing and you just threw away admiration from tons of people, so you could have your TSR 'incentives".

So either way you look at it, you're wrong. Plain and simple.
You were never supposed to have started making money off these items in the first place because it's illegal.
And even if it wasn't, you were wrong for forgetting that without your fans, who the hell is going to want your crap anyways??

I hope you can see the sense in what I am saying here. Sometimes what sounds right to me makes no sense to others. But I really want you to get something out of this.
It's sad that the world has come down to money and fame. When all that is really important, freindship, sharing and love...is trampled down into nothing and called piracy.

Anyone ever looked up the "About me" at TSR?
And looked at the nationality of "Shino" ?

He is German  :shock:

You know that qualifies him for a well known club  :lol:

I say we call him and Teko the "Pissy Peenors" cause they don't have vaginas.  :D <I'm smart huh?  :? Please say yes.

I guess you could still technicaly use 'twat'- here, according to what I found online...

"The noun twat has 2 meanings:

Meaning #1: a man who is a stupid fool
  Synonyms: fathead, goof, bozo, jackass, goose, cuckoo, zany


Meaning #2: obscene terms for female genitals"


OR

"Although it can also refer to the female genitalia, the word is used as a more general term in various ways:

>A fool, synonymous with the word twit - 'You are a real twat and a half'
>One who behaves in a childish, extroverted manner to the annoyance of others - 'He can be an annoying twat sometimes'
>To hit something (or someone) really hard or violently - 'I twatted him one'
>To become drunk or otherwise intoxicated - 'Let's get twatted'
>Also used in reference to annoyances - 'I hate going to work, it's a twat'

(Sorry, but the above 'I twatted him one' just  souds SO wrong...)

:lol:

Somebody needs to twat the twats because they seem too twatted to realize that they are real twit twats.  :shock: Wow.

Maybe we should just add another t to the last word in the thread title?

Does Redlove have 'twat on the brain'?

I like that... 'twhat'. So much classier than just plain old 'twat'.

Man, I wish I'd been up earlier this morning, when Shino first started posting again. I think it's so cute that some of these people (Shino and Jan being prime examples) are trying to play mind games with us. Apparently no one told them how extraordinarily difficult it is for an individual to mess with the minds of a group. It takes an amazing amount of brain power, and I'll be truly impressed if/when someone actually succeeds in doing it here.

The stupid twats also need to learn that you don't go into a battle of wits unarmed. That makes two people who've been yanking my chain in less that twenty-four hours. That means... the avatar may make a change once I get to my workhorse upstairs... that's the one that has all of my image/game programs... it could be ugly. It could be amusing. It could be something that shows just how much I dislike rampage twatage in the Sims 2 community. People like that make me think that we need to up the chlorine content in the gene pool.

ok this really is the last post but i felt the need clarify my to paden
i hope you didn't take the "Now you show your true face ^^" seriously. If you didn't and this your last post is another great post of creativity just i ignore the rest of the post. I can only say with this creative mind you should be an author.
If you did.
I didn't mean it that way. I thought it you wrote just an nice insult you didn't mean dead serious. I thought you were bashing on the stereotype paysites. And the reason behind my response was saying thank you for this entertaining post and making a sarcastic comment about the stereotype sims pirate.
So you understand my intention better, i never intend to hurt your feelings as much as your second post implied. My main reason for being here is enterainment, be it in form of reading creative ways of insulting another person or having a real discussion. I did get a lot of insulting but not so creative ones and little discussion. The only exception where your last post which was one of the best insults i have seen in a long time. I'm truly sry if my desire for entertainment has hurt your feelings that deep and i am nothing to you but thankful for fulfilling it in such a wonderful way.

Paden, well, the problem is they don't seem smart enough to know when they're outwitted. It's like outwitting a wall - you destroy with with a bulldozer, but the pieces that remain keep screaming "I win, I win!" in the most silliest manner ever... :roll:

Edit:
Shino: you know...you don't deserve such creativity flung at you. So, you think you have 'won' now that you have 'made' us flame you? Silly, we do what we do because we choose to - not because someone make us do anything.  :roll:  Either you are desperately trying to save your face, or you really are this stupid. I am already 10 step ahead of you, and the rest here are probably like 100 steps ahead of you. So you see. This isn't a game. I never was. Because a game is something you play - and we. don't. Play.

You want entertainment? Check out the work of Robin Williams, George Carlin and Billy Connoley, they're much better than I am. You want entertainment? Get pissed in a pub with a bunch of your friends on imported beer and watch one of them trying to pull his wank out as you walk down the street so he can take a wizz and splatter all over his shoes. You want entertainment? Breathe in helium and try to sing "Amazing Grace" to a bunch of church people. You want entertainment? Try to sing "Ode to Joy" while totally shit-faced on Goldschlager, when you don't even know all of the words. Want entertainment? Smear peanutbutter on the roof of a dog's, or cat's, mouth and watch them try to lick it off without making the most odd faces you've seen in your life. Want entertainment? Light your best friend's bunny slippers on fire after coming in staggering drunk from one hell of a party. It's better if they're not wearing them, but if they are you get to see one hell of a funny dance. You want entertainment? Debate being an Orthodox Jew with a Mormon on a mission. While drunk is usually more fun. You want entertainment? Put scotch tape onto a cat's tail or paw, after they've had catnip. You want entertainment? Hang an Ex-lover's underclothing outside on a flagpole and see how many people salute it. But first see if you can entertain yourself with your own accomplishments.

I didnt think it was that hard of a question, but let me try this:


Do you Shino, claim the income you get for selling your pixels on your income tax as earned income?

yes or no

Yaardarm Monkey: will someone be getting in trouble with the feds? :lol: Please, say so! I'd like to analise this, how this works in another country, specialy the so-money-sucking Germany. Yeees!

PBMD: putting FUN in TAX EVASION (eer what?) :lol:

shino, i wasn't going to respond you, because (1) you make little to no sense in your post (2) when you do, your reasons are quite weak and were bunkered ages ago, over and over again (3) other fellow pirates already replied and with better wording, but this piece of your 4th or so post caught my attention:



WTH, you are saying that you went to TSR so it would be easier for us to plunder your stuff and offer it in the booty?  :shock:  :shock:  :shock: WHAT. THE. HELL.

No, really. Say it isn't so!

It's most absurd reason anyone has came up with. EVER!

Shino, shino, I had hoped that with this thread (at least with the Original Post) we would be able to talk you out of it. Hercubus, by showing her confusion and deception, and, on the other hand, her liking on your stuff, could get some attention to your side so people could do something. Because, let`s be frank, TSR is for the desperate. But you, sadly, kind of destroyed your reputation with your own posts. It wasn't us. You said it was for selfish reasons; you said that moving to TSR have little to nothing to do with bandwith issues; you made a poor comparison between MTS2 and other freesites and TSR; you said that your time and effort were so more valuable than the "normal people's" that you had to be paid.

Your stuff is appreciated, shino, sure, but your instances are not. Please, take a time and re-think the whole situation. See it with another perspective. Why am I getting bad comments instead of "it is expected of pirates to bash me".

If you do come up with an answer, we will be here to hear (read) it.

tl;dr? --> this post in two words: shino, chill

No kidding. Especially since all the content on the original site is free and, according to Hecubus, always was free! If Shino hadn't gone to TSR, there would never have been any need for any of it to be in the booty. Either there's a misunderstanding about what PMBD actually does here, or else Shino is trying to defeat us through confusion.

Insulting?  Hmmmm, how about spending less time trolling this site for "entertainment", and more time learning how to make descent meshes so your crap will actually be worth downloading from the booty. Or better yet just leave the sims community and find another scam. You really won't be missed. Not even by TSR. Thomas wll just convince some other twat to whore herself.

First of all, about this:



just...stop saying that, mkay? after a while, it makes you sound less than 12 :roll:

You know, shino, the saddest thing is that while you've been doing your best to get flamed and dodging questions you are obviously too ashamed to answer, you failed to reply to the OP, Hecubus, the person who used such nice words to describe your stuff that I, sensing how this was going to end,   instantly felt bad for her. Her posts just oozed how much she loves your creations, her enthusiasm about your site and how she genuinely believed in you, to the point of emaling you her compliments and advertising your  site among her friends...You chose to ignore her, and that's, I repeat, very sad on your part. Not that I expected any better, because as I said in my previous post, you people who go pay - and especially pay at TSR - all become so predictable when doing this step it ain't even funny anymore. If there was one person whose opinion you should have respected and taken into consideration, it was Hecubus'. But you pay people just don't give a fuck about the simmers who love your creations and appreciate your work, and the way you treated Hecubus ignoring her disappointment and posting tasteless things about how you are here for the sole purpose of being "entertained" really makes it crystal clear. Now who exactly showed their true face?

I want you to know and you do not have to believe me in any way, shape or form. I do see your side of it. Many here know because I have stated, that for far to long I ignored many of the smaller sites I loved. I have tried to remedy that. Since then I have been donating to many of the smaller sites I ignored. I made a list and I am going down that list to each site. It's really ironic right now seeing this whole thread. I don't visit here everyday. Hec sent me to your site, and your site was on my list for this week to donate to, but there was two other large forums that had donation drives, so I had to put it off till next week. I don't donate a lot, maybe 40 or 60 dollars, so it's not like I am a big spender. But, I do donate to the sites I care about more than once in a year. Unlike some of the other's here I really liked your things like Hec, we oogled and awwed when we found your site. I think I must have downloaded everything! I was under the impression you were a good person. I was wrong, so now I'll delete all your things from my game. Also unlike many here I have paid for donation things and I admit it, I have never shared those things with anyone. I only bring up this point to point out that although I have paid for donation items is because unlike sites I actually donate too, they would never get a penny more out of me than their donation item cost. The thing you and all paysites seem to overlook is you agreed, and EA would have gladly given your money back. They have their address, where to package and ship the game for a refund if you don't agree with their contract. They even pay for shipping. You agreed that you would not use the game for personal financial gain. That's all they asked, and because it was ignored for far too long...I have a feeling we all will suffer with Sims 3. So let me thank you in advance for that. I'll go and delete your things now.

Angel and Vanity, he didn't mean that--he meant the freesite would make it easier for us to drop the stuff in because he reckons we wouldn't pay for it.





The only thing I'm replying to, you obnoxious idiotic twat, is the "we need to buy the game too" thing in response to being paid, and I was wondering why nobody's given this response rather than the "you don't neeeeed to buy it" response.

Okay, I'm nearly eighteen years old. I'm in full time education and I can't get a job. I get £20's pocket money per month. EA's games cost £19.99 in our shops. I spend my pocket money on one game.

So...I should use my own money to buy my own game...but you shouldn't? Somehow, you do enough "work for us" that it validifies your request of gaining money? Do you truly believe that you should be paid to buy the game?

I'm a bitch, right? I'm also a writer and a doller--I buy magazines on writing and it's perfectly feasible that I'd spend a couple of hundred quid on Adobe Photoshop for my dolling. So...you should pay me for my habits. I give you stuff--what do I get in return? A thanks or two--if that.

So this "you pay for me" excuse is bollocks, because why should everyone else shell out to support your game fund, when you don't shell out to support ours?

Just my two pennies' worth. Thank you for your co-operation in ignoring my post and/or twisting my words. Feel free to complain that I didn't answer your already answered questions. Feel free to announce your departure from sanity. Feel free to tell us you're really leaving this time ZOMG!

But GTFO our website if you know what's good for you, you ungrateful piece of shit, if you haven't the brains or the willpower to understand our points of view--because you're like a broken record; you're repeating the same shit over and over and over and over and over...

How many 'last posts' are we gonna get, Shino? Gah. Stay or go. You have long since blown the dramatic exit.

Guys, is it me, or did Shino miss my point entirely?

<sigh>

Shino missed every point entirely.
Her keyboard is functioning but all I'm seeing is "blah blah you're greedy...blah blah flame me...blah blah."
Or maybe we just don't get it because we are suffering from "the puberty."

Oh dear god...not the PUBERTY!

It blights the land with it's mood swings and hormones. It infests the minds of innocent children and turn them into bitchy emo teenagers who argue over whether or not MCR is better than FOB. It perverts the minds of all and of course turns pirates into greedy thieves. The Puberty. It is out there. And it will get you.

I found the puberty hilarious. A classic horror story right there.

Shino, I think you are being a drama queen and need to grow up. You sold out for your own selfish reasons and alienated and hurt your fans. I don't download objects so I don't care about your creations. I did lose any respect I could have ever had for you. Have fun with the Twats.

(Had to put in my two cents, and that's all it was probably worth, if not less)

Also, Paden, you are my hero.  :)

Actually, with inflation, your two cents are now worth a buck-twenty-five.

Lulz at The Puberty!

What really makes me laugh though, is the "don't use them in donation sets" note on the site. WTF is up with that? I mean, the same items is on TSR FFS!  :roll:

I actually liked their site too. Especially the decorative records.
Well I'm off to the tennis court. After I write "shino" on my tennis ball,  I'm sure my aim will be much better.

If Shino had missed the point any farther, he'd be somewhere in France right now.

Actually it'd be more like he'd be somewhere near pluto.

I'm usually not surprised when a creator goes pay or over to tsr, but I have to say my mouth is hanging open and there's a big "huhwhat?" hanging over my head in regards to KansasCityRose.  From personal correspondence (Renate, you don't know me by the name I use on this forum) over the last couple of years she has not been opposed to sharing, and seems fair minded, and rational... totally the opposite of this shino person, or any of the other teutonic twats.  I can't believe she is in cahoots with such greedy, nonsensical individuals.  I can't remember the last time my respect for someone plummeted so hard and fast, damn.

It's my opinion that shino isn't worth our time.

The motive is greed. Nothing more, nothing less. As others here have written, Shino obviously came over here looking for a fight. He has rationalized his actions pretty darn nicely (and by the way, it's amazing how adeptly paysite owners have managed to rationalize anything they do, no matter what), and is getting all sorts of shits and giggles over to what he perceives as his oh-so-clever retorts. Too bad they aren't.

Whatever.

Certain things others have mentioned are worth a lot more effort.

Hecubus, I'm sorry that you found out that one of your favorite creators has this sort of attitude. Whether in real life or virtual life, that is always very disheartening.

Shotgun Mary, I like your suggestion about focusing on those siteowners  who really do give to the community, and continue to give. I don't have much money, but there are certain free sites that are so very exemplary that if I am possibly financially able at the time, I don't mind donating SOMETHING ... even a few dollars ... if they ask. Their work is quality material, they show that they care about their community, and they are always willing to help if there is a problem.

MTS2 is certainly one site. Insim is another. I donated what I could, and  hope that Insim can get the funds it needs soon. My only suggestion to them would be to let us know how much progress the drive has made at least once a week. I do feel that the meter on MTS2 actually helped the fundraising a lot. It was fun seeing the meter go up. It made me feel like we really ARE all in this together.

And I think the cat macros are a good idea at this point. :)

(http://files.photojerk.com/silver1/mc10514.jpg)


P.S. It isn't helping that Insim is getting harrassed by a troll during its donation drive. I guess this is a new game certain pro-paysite individuals play.

(http://www.xerocreative.com/images/trashcat.jpg)

Macros!! And this is perfect for the thread!

(http://www.lolcats.com/images/u/07/29/lolcatsdotcomo90wqe0kkvffsj3e.jpg)

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u208/liverspout/microphonecat.jpg)

(http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2007/08/128290506874183750landahoy.jpg) (http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/08/13/land-ahoy/)

(http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2007/08/mine.jpg) (http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/08/11/mine/)

that is hands down the cutest kitten I've ever seen

I think so too.. it's the intent look on it's lil face.. but if I know Calaily, she may have one to beat it for cuteness... :lol:

What am I, chopped liver?

(http://www.lolcats.com/images/u/07/30/lolcatsdotcom23ibyf8u2csb6lvc.jpg)

awwwwww...

Just to prove I can compete it the cute stakes..

(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5060/cutelittlekittenonbedgf2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

This is how Pescado would be if he were an actual cat, I think...

(http://www.lolcats.com/images/u/07/31/lolcatsdotcom73khfswwfw8nzd83.jpg)

I can't provide cuteness today - but I have piss-my-pants funny.

(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/808/mmc10098ak3.jpg)

That is perhaps the creepiest family photo I've ever seen. Funny captions though.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/Not_You/1184207182583.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/Not_You/1185414621176.jpg)

Don't worry, I hate you all.  Truly.

Awhhhh.. That.is so.. soft...

(http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2007/08/may-i-see-your-hall-pass-please.jpg) (http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/08/13/may-i-see-your-hall-pass-please/)

Kittehs!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/mmekare79/Cats/1172573873689.jpg)

OMG Calalily is bringing in the Mormons! :shock:

With an image like that I hope you bought booze for everybody. Yikes!

proving that not just kittens have the cute factor..

(http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2007/08/128290065874808750shushii.jpg) (http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/08/11/shush-i-iz-incognito/)

You can have all the rum the Duggar family has in the house.

Shit that caption makes me laugh  :lol:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/Kalitrima/feets.jpg)

oh my god.. Ensign.. where did you get that top picture?! That's... that's my cats!

Well, ok, on second glance, Cindy has a little red patch on her head that I don't see, but I haven't seen my cats in months and she was hiding when I last visited. But seriously, the hugging cats are otherwise identical to my Joey and Cindy. I had them from when I was like 10 or 11 until I came to college and had to leave them with my mother: Joseph Mario Wade <lastname> an Cynthia Princess <lastname>, because we were playing Mario 64 when mom brought home Cindy as a surprise (and I picked out Joey from the shelter as a friend for her).

Sorry, but that was just shocking to me

Wow. My pets have only had a first name. I don't give them middle and last names.

Probably 4chan's /an/, if I didn't snag it from here or MATY.  They banned macros a while ago, so now I have bunch of pictures in my folder lacking captions.

I could be stalking you, though.  I have little skills of an artist, but I might have had someone edit out the patch.  <.<

I gave my cat my last name.  I don't think she cares though--she hardly listens when I call to her by her first name.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/Not_You/1185468180720.jpg)