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Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Lizard on 2006 November 15, 01:21:51 Ok , I guess I own some people an apology . I am not happy with the things I said earlier in this forum .
I don't like the style of all this but even then it is not ok to say what I said . So , I am sorry for the things I said . Evenso , I have to say few things from my heart . First this message : Firstly, we hate paysites. Are you a paysite owner? Well, we hate you, too. We do it because it will piss you off. Yes, we are assholes. Tough. Besides, you're only charging for bandwidth, right? Isn't it so nice of us to contribute our $50/yr to alleviate your bandwidth load? No? It pisses you off? Great! And now you know why we do this. Ok you can debate about stuff and put it out in the open that you don't agree at all with paysites , also if it is needed to make money with simsstuff eventhough EA says you cannot . Then you can give people who make money with this a chance to speak out for themselfs , why are they doing this and is there a way to change this so both parties can feel good about it ? But if you put this out all agressive and negative , in the way you did and I did with you , you end a discussion and solution before it even began . Then , I read in your forum that you wanted your hands on contestprizes . What has that got to do with making money ? Contests are just for fun , there is no money made with it , not for the forums , not for the mods , for no one and those prizes are just to make all a little exciting . People from forums put lot of private time in these contests , to think them out , to organize all and to collect prizes or make them themselfes . And most of times they use them more then one time , if you "get your hands " on those prizes they will be worthless and the mods of that forum has to start a whole lot of work over again . What is wrong with contests where there is no money involved ??? I once did a contest cause I wanted a prize very much and I had lot fun making my house , taking pictures , seeing how my oponents were doing . Ok , I did not win but it was fun anyhow . why ruin that , I don't see the point of that . Last thing . I read stuff here in this forum , that is only meant to hurt people , to ridicule people , gossip , namecalling and so on . I think that is pretty disgusting and I see really no need for that . We are not talking about pedofiles or so and even then .... I think as moderator of your forum you have responsibillity to check what people write and when names are involved , to ask them to delete that name . - Destroy Carla Niven - or such , I think that is really all wrong to leave that in your forum. Why do you wanna have such negative things , I don't see the point of that at all . It has nothing to do with the topic paysites , this is just plain gossip . Well I hope you accept my apology and hope you will answer my questions . Nikos / Lizard / Vulture Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Plum on 2006 November 15, 01:30:14 This is the forum we come to to be mean. We're mean people (at least some of the time), but at other forums we always have to pretend to be nice. So at PSMBD, we let it all hang free. And anyone who thinks we should never be mean can go suck an egg.
And it's not like the people being talked about can't come here, read it, and say anything. The Pimp My Sims guy did and we didn't boo him out. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: coliss on 2006 November 15, 01:32:07 We're humans. We like gossip. We like to criticize, to rant. We don't live in a pink and happy world where everyone gets along and runs in the fields happily. It might be really wrong, but since I don't know any of these people personally, I don't think it's going to hurt them. It's not like I'm their personal friend and I'm being a complete hypocrite. Thus, I do not feel bad. Then again, if people are starting to threat each other to kill them or anything, unless it is sarcasm, then yeah, it is going too far. But I don't think anyone here is going to go that low.
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: neriana on 2006 November 15, 01:33:12 Gossip is fun. And if you don't like the way people act here, just don't come here. You're not the playground supervisor.
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Plum on 2006 November 15, 01:33:43 And it feels so good to just be able to say "Dammit this creator's CC is shit!" You can't do that anywhere else.
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Lizard on 2006 November 15, 01:36:01 Well we don't live in Disneyland , that I can understand .
And I have my moments too . But evenso , I think it is responsibillity of moderators to see that it don't get out of hand . There is a difference to question someone or to trash someone . And why do those people have to come here , why not say it in their face then so in their forum or site ? Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: ScurvyLass on 2006 November 15, 01:36:36 I personally enjoy being mean and petty. It's a great stress reliever, it's entertaining and as someone else posted, it allows us to say things we can't normally say on other boards.
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Plum on 2006 November 15, 01:39:21 The moderators, I'm sure, do see that it doesn't get out of hand. I don't see it getting out of hand anywhere.
Like we've said, we're not here to question people. We're here to just say "YOU SUCK!" We're not nice. Get used to it or leave. And we say it here instead of on their sites because getting in their face about it is rude. Even moreso than anything we've said here, I think. If they want in, they know where we're at. As an administrator of a message board with thousands of members, I've found threads at other message boards about how much I suck, LJ entries about me with dozens of responses... I'm not about to cry over it. People just need to bitch sometimes. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Ensign EO on 2006 November 15, 01:40:19 Moderators? Hell, in case you haven't noticed, we don't really NEED moderators to watch our behaviour. Some, if not most (disregarding the fan people who just love free shit), of the people here are sane and know how to handle themselves in a serious situation, or when things aren't appropriate, like when HotNWet lashed out at Avic and Jesse told her that it wasn't proper.
Our ethics or whatever you want to call them may differ, but that doesn't mean we're all jackasses that just like to be cruel and stupid. ETA: Not to say that being cruel and stupid isn't fun, but for the most part I think most of us are capable of some compassion and whatever other "nice" things you think should be displayed more often. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: coliss on 2006 November 15, 01:43:11 There was a thread that was deleted because certain information should not have been made public. So yes, there is a little moderation... but very little. There is no rule upon joining. So it's really about "Enjoy you stay, do whatever you want".
People that are found here won't be saying nice things about others. That's S2C and any paysites' forums for example. The moment you speak against someone else, you get banned. Didn't we see it with LyricLee on S2C? Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: MMEStalker on 2006 November 15, 01:45:52 Quote from: "Lizard" There is a difference to question someone or to trash someone . And why do those people have to come here , why not say it in their face then so in their forum or site ? Well I don't see why I shouldn't criticise something that I don't like, at the end of the day it's only game content and if the creator is so sensitive about it that they can't bear to see people say it's rubbish then they should get out more/get a thicker skin/stop putting it up for people to see. I don't like criticism either, but I accept that I will receive it and don't expect people to censor their views of me/my stuff to spare my feelings. As for saying so in other forums, seriously, how many forums except here and MATY would not delete very critical posts, or in many, just posts that they don't like much? Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Ensign EO on 2006 November 15, 01:47:31 There's enough moderation to take care of those kinds of things, and other stuff like announcements and general IMPORTANT BUSINESS things, but the moderators (moderator? Bluesoup is the only one, isn't she? Then JM is the admin? Pfft, whatever) aren't here to censor us or tell us what our opinions can be. (Barring things that are definitely illegal such as sharing personal information and so on.)
And I really don't know about the contest thing. Never saw the discussion on that, but I hardly pay attention to contests anyway, which seems to be main place to be if you want to fit in more at S2C. :roll: Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Lizard on 2006 November 15, 01:47:39 I think it is very easy to trash someone , very easy indeed .
I don't mind words like , suck , fuck , goddammit , eat me and stuff like that . That is not what I am talking about . But what I do mind is the trashing of people . Do you realize how hurtfull it can be , even though , you don't know the people and they don't know you , the power of words can be very strong . Look at kids in playgrounds and how they pick on someone and how that can affect a child . Don't think for one minute that an adult can rise above that . An adult can just hide his/her feelings better but evenso , it will hurt him/her . Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: liegenschonheit on 2006 November 15, 01:51:17 I don't like to make serious things personal. What I take seriously are the debate of paysite vs anti-paysite sentiment. Anyone who comes here on either side of the fence to engage in debate on the subject will be met by me with civility and an attempt to explain my position.
However... yes we gossip. Sometimes people behave in such a reprehensible manner elsewhere that we discuss it here. Or sometimes things are just so rediculous we poke fun. If that person comes here and wants to discuss it, that's fine, I'm not going to pretend I am holier than them or deserve to condemn them for their actions. But they are certainly not above a poking. Everyone gets poked from time to time. In the case of Carla Niven, for example, she was told as gently as possible that her creations weren't high enough quality to merit a $15 a month sub to her site. She responded that her creations were brilliant and that people were just jealous. Then someone discovered that some of her "brilliant" creations were stolen from Boutique Emile (stolen in this case meaning taken and reposted under her name instead of the rightful creator). So yes, we feel a little justified poking her. And Jack, well... Jack is unappologetically taking people's money and sitting on his butt every day. He claims various excuses, but the bottom line is that he refuses to find work and uses his parents and the sims to support his habits, which include using proceeds from his website to buy sexual items. He has also admitted to prostituting himself, which is a bit... err... poke worthy. If you don't believe it, you can read it all in his own words on his blog. So I guess the bottom line is that we will behave with civility to anyone who comes here with a simmilar intent. But we won't pretend to be all "happy fluffy bunny nice", because frankly, not everyone deserves the consideration. You've already seen what happens to trolls. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Plum on 2006 November 15, 01:52:33 Quote from: "Lizard" I think it is very easy to trash someone , very easy indeed . I don't mind words like , suck , fuck , goddammit , eat me and stuff like that . That is not what I am talking about . We know. That's not what we're talking about either. Quote from: "Lizard" But what I do mind is the trashing of people . Which is what we're talking about. People get trashed here. If you don't like it, leave. You're not going to change the face ot PSMBD. Quote from: "Lizard" Do you realize how hurtfull it can be , even though , you don't know the people and they don't know you , the power of words can be very strong . Like I said, I've found threads and LJ entries trashing me, and it wasn't hurtful. It was people bitching. If someone is hurt by us bitching, they're the one with the problem. Quote from: "Lizard" Look at kids in playgrounds and how they pick on someone and how that can affect a child . We aren't children. Quote from: "Lizard" Don't think for one minute that an adult can rise above that . An adult can just hide his/her feelings better but evenso , it will hurt him/her . An adult can rise above that. Like I said twice now, I've been there. Part of being an adult is accepting that not everyone likes you. And if you're putting yourself out there for thousands to see, there will be a larger amount of people that don't like you. And if you're apart of a community they will congregate and talk about you. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Lizard on 2006 November 15, 01:58:14 Well I think is all very black and white .
I am listening to what you say , so what if someone sits on his butt whole day , lives with her/his parents and so on . I guess in this life we can only judge ourselfs , and that don't mean you are holier then holier , it just means you are being honest . That is what I mean also , we all take a lot of blows in life and sometimes life ain't all that cool . At the end of the day we are lucky if we find someone who loves us , or pay atention . What is use to give more blows ? Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Plum on 2006 November 15, 02:04:15 Lizard... You fail at life.
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Pescado on 2006 November 15, 02:06:22 Quote from: "Lizard" At the end of the day we are lucky if we find someone who loves us , or pay atention . Urgh. I think I'm going to be physically ill now. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: MMEStalker on 2006 November 15, 02:06:26 Quote from: "Lizard" I am listening to what you say , so what if someone sits on his butt whole day , lives with her/his parents and so on . I guess in this life we can only judge ourselfs , and that don't mean you are holier then holier , it just means you are being honest . What is use to give more blows ? No, being honest is when you tell the truth, even if it isn't nice to hear. There is nothing to be gained in never saying something negative about people, if you don't know that you are bad at something and no one ever tells you, how do you get better? I'm not saying this as someone who has never been criticised or has never been hurt by something that other people have said, but I've learned to distinguish between stupid insults, insults with some truth behind them, constructive criticism and people just having a laugh. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Ensign EO on 2006 November 15, 02:08:10 Blows... Like blow/jobs?
Life isn't all good. Just because this is a fact and blah blah, doesn't mean that people should make the effort to be "nice", especially when it's not at all sincere. If you disagree with the conduct here, you're better off either accepting that this is the way people here are, or leaving, instead of preaching to us and trying to "convert" us to behave the way you think we should. No one is forcing you to stay. (I'm not really speaking for anyone but myself, but talking in the plural is a habit when I think of myself as being part of a community. JIC.) Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: neriana on 2006 November 15, 02:08:45 Um, Lizard, are you a masochist? The "life is hard" argument is not going to get you anywhere.
If you don't like us, you don't have to play with us. It won't hurt our feelings. If you don't like how people act, you don't have to hang out with them unless you work with them. That's what being an adult gives you. It also SHOULD give you some sort of perspective. Yeah, people might see us saying nasty things about them. But adults, like Solander, can take it with humor, because their egos aren't so pathetically fragile that the criticism of strangers shakes their world. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: coliss on 2006 November 15, 02:12:53 Most people who post here have big mouth. And you're going to have all kind of different opinions expressed. That's called freedom of speech. I'm pretty sure that some people don't agree with what we're saying, but they chose not to say it. And hell, if everybody actually thought the same way as I did, I'd be damned bored with this world.
Not everything is black and white. We can't judge ourselves. We're the worst judges to judge ourselves. It is up to you to decide whether one's opinion is important in your eyes. I wouldn't care if I'm called a slut from someone who does not know me at all. :roll: If they really are taking everything seriously what we're saying and firmly believe what we're saying, they have self-esteem problems. They need to get some help themselves, because we're not their parents or friends. Title: Re: Apology and some questions still Post by: wicked_one on 2006 November 15, 02:19:00 Quote from: "Lizard" Then , I read in your forum that you wanted your hands on contestprizes. What has that got to do with making money ? What is wrong with contests where there is no money involved ??? Other than joking about Carla's contest and complaining about creators demanding credit and links for use of their items in contest screenshots/videos....there was no mention of contests or about wanting contest prizes. (there's this thing called "search") I guess you misread those comments or you have this site confused with some other site you've been making incoherent ramblings and fits on. This post (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/phorum/viewtopic.php?p=264#264) stated that they had contest prizes that they were willing to share but that's it. Title: Re: Apology and some questions still Post by: mistersassypants on 2006 November 15, 03:05:33 Quote from: "Lizard" Ok , I guess I own some people an apology . I am not happy with the things I said earlier in this forum . I don't like the style of all this but even then it is not ok to say what I said . Ok you can debate about stuff and put it out in the open that you don't agree at all with paysites , also if it is needed to make money with simsstuff eventhough EA says you cannot . Last thing . I read stuff here in this forum , that is only meant to hurt people , to ridicule people , gossip , namecalling and so on . I think that is pretty disgusting and I see really no need for that . We are not talking about pedofiles or so and even then .... I think as moderator of your forum you have responsibillity to check what people write and when names are involved , to ask them to delete that name . - Destroy Carla Niven - or such , I think that is really all wrong to leave that in your forum. Why do you wanna have such negative things , I don't see the point of that at all . It has nothing to do with the topic paysites , this is just plain gossip . Well I hope you accept my apology and hope you will answer my questions . Nikos / Lizard / Vulture Wait. Are you saying that despite the fact that EA actually owns any copywrite applied to any object, mesh, skin, recolor, ect created for it's games, and that they expressly state that these items will not be sold for profit by anyone that it's necessary for these files to be sold rather than distributed freely as EA intended in the first place? Do you really think it's just lazy programming on their part that anything that touches a lot is packaged with it, including any recolor of any object you may have just tried and changed? Why is it needed to make money? Please explain to me WHY half wit hacks like Carla Niven NEED to take my money for her stolen meshes and craptastic textures. Please tell me why TSR NEEDS my money for files the community provides them. If you can give me one good reason why someone NEEDS my money for sims2 files I'll shut up and never say another word about it. As for the gossip, name calling, mocking and general fuckoffery. THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM. If you get your feelings hurt on the internet you need therapy or pills or something. Further, opinions about Carla Niven's lack of talent, LyricLee's histronics, and various male community figures' sexual obsession with children are topics to be discussed anywhere, including a site at which perfectly legal filesharing occurs and everyone is a fan of pirates. Just because it doesn't have anything to do directly with filesharing doesn't mean it's not fun and interesting to discuss. And if we wanna gossip about it, so what? You don't like it obviously, so why are you here? Oh wait. I know. You're here to entertain us with your whining. INTERNETS: SERIOUS BUSINESS. That is all. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: avic on 2006 November 15, 03:27:59 Wait - this is the person a couple of people thought I might be? I's ashamed!!!
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: coliss on 2006 November 15, 03:59:26 Quote from: "avic" Wait - this is the person a couple of people thought I might be? I's ashamed!!! *pats avic*... yes. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: emo on 2006 November 15, 04:21:38 Being a non-english person, Lizard thought me a new word tho!
"Evenso"... It seems a bit of an Latin heritage, maybe? Now, I just have to figure out how it's pronounced. Nevertheless, I like it! Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 15, 04:22:39 Quote from: "avic" Wait - this is the person a couple of people thought I might be? I's ashamed!!! Nevers! I think there was the joke comparing the two of you, because you were so very different. You actually came here to ask questions in a rational, well thought out manner. They came here to irriate, insult ect... to each his own, but to some degree you have to expect similar treatment in return. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: lemmiwinks on 2006 November 15, 04:36:06 It is amazing. As *bad* as we supposedly are, after all his trolling, you guys answered him in a courteous and rational manner. This speaks volumes to anyone who cares to listen to it.
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Aquamarine on 2006 November 15, 04:46:45 Quote from: "avic" Wait - this is the person a couple of people thought I might be? I's ashamed!!! I think one of these was me, and I apologize. :lol: Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Solowren on 2006 November 15, 04:53:38 Quote from: "avic" Wait - this is the person a couple of people thought I might be? I's ashamed!!! Yes, but we like you. And Plum is making some very strong points. I wholeheartedly agree. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: klapaucius on 2006 November 15, 05:18:18 Your 'apology' seemed to be just another way of criticising the way things are on this forum...
I've been to lots of different forums over the years, covering a wide variety of topics. Some I've liked, and hung around at, some I've lurked at, some I thought were just plain shithouse, and never went back to again. But, at all the shit ones, I didn't feel the need to inform the regulars that I didn't like their forum, or try and persuade them to run things in a way that was more to my liking. I didn't point out what their forum lacked, or start insulting the way the moderators, um, moderated. I just left them to it. See how that works, Lizard? Okay, so you don't like the tone of the posts, or the gossip, or the free booty, whatever. So, just don't come here anymore. :D Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: avic on 2006 November 15, 06:00:31 Quote from: "klapaucius" Your 'apology' seemed to be just another way of criticising the way things are on this forum... Most definitely. Umm - I think they meant "even so,..." I'm confused, it's time for bed :lol: On a serious, semi-non-rambling note, I came here and disagreed, and learned a few things. I still won't be downloading, but that's me. I definitely understand why y'all are, and honestly, I don't fault you. I will say that I fully expected to get flamed (and I did get a mite charred), but the fact that y'all laid out your points respectfully and maturely AND stuck up for me when someone tried to start something just spoke the world to me about the type of people here. So yeah, I love y'all too - you's quality people ;-) As for the troll... if we're going to feed him, can it have green fumes? Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: lemmiwinks on 2006 November 15, 06:07:23 Shhh, don't tell anybody, but I get the feeling many people are here not for the booty alone, but just to be heard. No other forum allows speaking the truth without getting you banned.
The booty is a moral issue for some, but the truth is not an issue with any honest person. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: emo on 2006 November 15, 06:50:44 Lemmiwinks, I think you nailed it there.
I'm liking this bunch here so much, I honestly haven't even checked out the booty! I have lurked here for quite a while, and knew I have to jump in sooner or later bc A: I just can't keep my mouth shut B: Lurking forever is kinda creepy, and I don't want to be "creepy"... C: You guys are funny as hell! :lol: Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: lemmiwinks on 2006 November 15, 07:18:31 Quote from: "emo" Lemmiwinks, I think you nailed it there. I'm liking this bunch here so much, I honestly haven't even checked out the booty! I have lurked here for quite a while, and knew I have to jump in sooner or later bc A: I just can't keep my mouth shut B: Lurking forever is kinda creepy, and I don't want to be "creepy"... C: You guys are funny as hell! :lol: "Creepy" is funny as hell also! Welcome aboard! Yarrr! Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: dorquemada on 2006 November 15, 07:27:02 Quote from: "Lizard" Well I think is all very black and white . I am listening to what you say , so what if someone sits on his butt whole day , lives with her/his parents and so on . I guess in this life we can only judge ourselfs , and that don't mean you are holier then holier , it just means you are being honest . That is what I mean also , we all take a lot of blows in life and sometimes life ain't all that cool . At the end of the day we are lucky if we find someone who loves us , or pay atention . What is use to give more blows ? Yuck. Betcha you copied this tripe from one of dem MS Powerpoint virii, you know - waterfall'n'meadows background, pink cavity-inducing text, that kind of stuff. Really, dude, it's v. simple - you don't like it, you get the hell outta here, don't let the door hit you on yer arse, bai. Nobody cares about your apologies. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 15, 07:33:15 Quote from: "Lizard" At the end of the day we are lucky if we find someone who loves us I found someone who loves me, for almost 7 years now. I have been sharing pay files for 4 of them. The two worlds don't collide as much as you might think. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Randomness on 2006 November 15, 07:37:05 Actually, I would care about his/her apology if it were genuine. I personally doubt that it was, though.
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: lemmiwinks on 2006 November 15, 08:23:56 "What is use to give more blows ?"
Good question. I have no answer for that. Unless we are in Soviet Russia. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 15, 08:29:28 Quote from: "Lemmiwinks" "What is use to give more blows ?" Good question. I have no answer for that. Unless we are in Soviet Russia. Oh come on Lemmi I know you can think of a use for more blows? :wink: Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: lemmiwinks on 2006 November 15, 08:38:21 Quote from: "Sherry" Quote from: "Lemmiwinks" "What is use to give more blows ?" Good question. I have no answer for that. Unless we are in Soviet Russia. Oh come on Lemmi I know you can think of a use for more blows? :wink: In Soviet Russia, dead horse beats YOU! Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Lizard on 2006 November 15, 10:45:43 Well , that's "funny" the moment I leave forum the tone of all posts certainly change .
I don't wanna "hang" with you , if you should read my mesage , I wanna have some answers , if I have my answers , off I go . Gossip , oh well, it is something of all times , most come from people who live not happy lives , are jealous but not capable or too lazy to change their own lives . In fact all this says more about you . Smart remarks , I have read none till so far , funny remarks just for laughs , neither . But ok , is your time so use it as you see fit . Still have no answer to my questions . I am reading all this about EA , well it is very nice of course that you are all so concerned about the millions and milions and more milions EA is making but unless you all work with EA , I don't buy this for one bit . Also on the contests part still no answer , cause when this is all about being against making money on EA meshes , what has that to do about having contests , where no money is made ? Now if someone could give a clear answer on that . Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Anouk on 2006 November 15, 11:10:35 Quote from: "Lizard" Then , I read in your forum that you wanted your hands on contestprizes . What has that got to do with making money ? Contests are just for fun , there is no money made with it , not for the forums , not for the mods , for no one and those prizes are just to make all a little exciting . People from forums put lot of private time in these contests , to think them out , to organize all and to collect prizes or make them themselfes . And most of times they use them more then one time , if you "get your hands " on those prizes they will be worthless and the mods of that forum has to start a whole lot of work over again . What is wrong with contests where there is no money involved ??? I once did a contest cause I wanted a prize very much and I had lot fun making my house , taking pictures , seeing how my oponents were doing . Ok , I did not win but it was fun anyhow . why ruin that , I don't see the point of that . If that's true (haven't read it) then I agree with Lizard here. Some things are meant to be unique. I sometimes make contest prizes just for the winner, so it's not supposed to be uploaded somewhere. The winner really gets something special. If the winner decided to share it, cool, but it defeats the whole point XD Plus it has nothing to do with being an evil paysite XD Title: Re: Apology and some questions still Post by: Captain Flint on 2006 November 15, 11:10:57 First I have to say I have been reading behind the scenes only because i am one of probably a few hundred of the lurkers who did not want to come forward because i did not want to be banned from some of the forums which i think hold valuable information for the sims2, but after reading this post I cannot believe I am hearing this hypocritical hype towards a few questions!
First you say you hate other forums that don’t let you speak but when someone comes here and tries you bash him/her; you also claim you wish people would come forward but then when some do and try and debate some or certain peoples actions you do not want to hear it and that person should leave if they don’t like what you say or should leave if the debate goes beyond what you want to hear… I wont leave just because you tell me to’ if you don’t like my point then ignore me, or just don’t read it but the point of this whole conversation seems to me that it was more of why are you going on about this person who likes anal sex or likes to sniff under garments I don’t give a good god damn if that person likes to or wants to fuck a pig in the middle of a gay parade, this forum or whole community is about paysites, theft and who is ripping off the sims2 creations and I believe he is just stating we should keep it on track before this place becomes another joke and no one listens anymore, trust me I hear a lot about what is said about this place in other websites and it is starting to become more a debate about who is and who isn’t hypocritical more then a debate about who is right and who is wrong in the sims2 world .. Don’t get me wrong I don’t give a god damn if you forgive him and his shitty fucking apology but I do care if you keep seeding the community with “ I don’t care about you or what you have to say, go away bullshit” then no one will listen to your debates anymore and this whole forum will become a lost cause except to those who want really badly but cannot pay for it! So whats your point ? I cannot say how I feel here? but if mts2 slams my post shuts or deletes my posts or tells me I am not suitable to hear it isn’t ok but you doing it is? I am not saying you cannot or should not crack a laugh every now and then nor am I saying it isn’t right to pee in someones soup when you want but a few questions were asked and only one person was willing to answer and the rest were not willing to listen, be open minded. Now you can bash my post all to pieces if you want but remember there are those who are reading and are talking about all of this behind closed doors and may not support any of it if we don’t stay on track or answer questions when they may be needed. Quote from: "mistersassypants" INTERNETS: SERIOUS BUSINESS. That is all. WTF? the internet is serious business? crap and i thought it was all about getting coupons and reading dysfunctional forums? Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: dorquemada on 2006 November 15, 11:36:32 Lizard, so far I saw only one question from you in this thread, namely the one about blows, and it sounded highly rhetorical - and, as you might know, one does not answer rhetorical questions. The rest of your posts was "Wah wah waaaaahaah you mean evil people waaaah whiiiine how dare you mock waaaaah, why why whyyyyy!!!", and this part was answered properly with "LOL". All fair.
Flint - buy a period and a comma key for your keyboard, will you? Your blathering is impossible to read. (Some sense of humour would do you no harm either, but that's entirely optional) Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Captain Flint on 2006 November 15, 11:46:52 Quote from: "dorquemada" Lizard, so far I saw only one question from you in this thread, namely the one about blows, and it sounded highly rhetorical - and, as you might know, one does not answer rhetorical questions. The rest of your posts was "Wah wah waaaaahaah you mean evil people waaaah whiiiine how dare you mock waaaaah, why why whyyyyy!!!", and this part was answered properly with "LOL". All fair. Flint - buy a period and a comma key for your keyboard, will you? Your blathering is impossible to read. (Some sense of humour would do you no harm either, but that's entirely optional) here is your comma, and your period. the humour i gave when i posted, but i guess you did not read into it? i also dont give a rats ass if you like my puntuation... but hey if you want funny? then ok .. your name sounds like a name i would use if i were in a gay bath house. Har Har Haaaar and a Bottle of Rum. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Lizard on 2006 November 15, 11:52:33 We can make this looooong story where all score points and then react on that , and so on .
Bottom line , I don't like you , don't like your style and don't care what you say . You don't like me , don't like my style , don't care what I say . So now we have that settled , I would like to know about contestprizes cause that is in my concern if prizes are safe , if there is no money involved ? I don't think that is hard question to answer , I like point of view on that and see if we can make deal on that . Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: MMEStalker on 2006 November 15, 12:12:01 Quote from: "Lizard" I would like to know about contestprizes cause that is in my concern if prizes are safe , if there is no money involved ? I don't think that is hard question to answer , I like point of view on that and see if we can make deal on that . Didn't someone say earlier in the post that they've looked and didn't find anything except someone offering to share theirs? I think it was wicked_one. Perhaps if you linked to or quoted where you saw this the poster could tell you what they intended. And most of us can't answer whether or not they will ever be put up, you'll have to wait for a moderator or Pescado to answer that for you. Just because no one has answered the question in less than a day, doesn't mean no one will, just be patient. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Lizard on 2006 November 15, 12:13:13 Well I guess a post where no insults are involved are a little harder to answer so I check back later if there can be some kind of agreement in non profitstuff .
About the question if I am gay , well Captain Flint lets have shower together and find out :lol: Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: yippee on 2006 November 15, 12:38:03 a simple yes i am a flaming beautiful gay person would have sufficed lizard.
Title: Re: Apology and some questions still Post by: Pineapplebrain on 2006 November 15, 12:45:03 Quote from: "Captain Flint" First you say you hate other forums that don’t let you speak but when someone comes here and tries you bash him/her; you also claim you wish people would come forward but then when some do and try and debate some or certain peoples actions you do not want to hear it and that person should leave if they don’t like what you say or should leave if the debate goes beyond what you want to hear… I disagree. This is the THIRD time the Lizard has posted here. Has he been banned from ever coming to this site, because we don't like what he says? NO. When everyone was joking about Solander from Pimp My Sims, and he came to defend himself, did everyone start telling him to leave? NO. He was welcomed and talked to, and allowed to give his opinons, no matter what they might be. When avic came presenting what he thought about the whole paysite debate, did anyone tell him to leave? NO. One (new) member insulted him, and a whole slew of other immediately jumped to his defense. So I don't really see how anyone is being hypocritical here. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Jonesi on 2006 November 15, 13:18:48 Quote from: "Nouk" Quote from: "Lizard" Then , I read in your forum that you wanted your hands on contestprizes . What has that got to do with making money ? Contests are just for fun , there is no money made with it , not for the forums , not for the mods , for no one and those prizes are just to make all a little exciting . People from forums put lot of private time in these contests , to think them out , to organize all and to collect prizes or make them themselfes . And most of times they use them more then one time , if you "get your hands " on those prizes they will be worthless and the mods of that forum has to start a whole lot of work over again . What is wrong with contests where there is no money involved ??? I once did a contest cause I wanted a prize very much and I had lot fun making my house , taking pictures , seeing how my oponents were doing . Ok , I did not win but it was fun anyhow . why ruin that , I don't see the point of that . If that's true (haven't read it) then I agree with Lizard here. Some things are meant to be unique. I sometimes make contest prizes just for the winner, so it's not supposed to be uploaded somewhere. The winner really gets something special. If the winner decided to share it, cool, but it defeats the whole point XD Plus it has nothing to do with being an evil paysite XD This is the only point I have to agree with Lizard (and Nouk) on....I have seen some people requesting contest gifts in their wish lists....and I've seen people requesting them here too and I think it's pretty poor practise...and nothing to do with paysites...I've even seen people requesting prizes from contests that are still running...why not just go and enter the contest?! I can understand you might like the objects being offered as prizes for contests or something but this and the other site is about sharing PAY files, nothing else. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Surelyfunke on 2006 November 15, 13:43:55 Actually, sharing hard-to-get items and forum exclusives is allowed on SFV, along with the usual pay files.
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: coliss on 2006 November 15, 14:01:45 Quote from: "Lizard" Well , that's "funny" the moment I leave forum the tone of all posts certainly change . Well, the tone of YOUR posts changed from your first post to your last one. Quote from: "Lizard" We can make this looooong story where all score points and then react on that , and so on . Bottom line , I don't like you , don't like your style and don't care what you say . You don't like me , don't like my style , don't care what I say . So now we have that settled , I would like to know about contestprizes cause that is in my concern if prizes are safe , if there is no money involved ? I don't think that is hard question to answer , I like point of view on that and see if we can make deal on that . Well, we don't know about contest prizes, 'cause we're not the one to put them here. My opinion is "I don't care if it's up there, ain't interested in downloading". That's it. If you really want them to be removed, ask BlueSoup. From what I'm reading, it looks like NOTHING from what we're saying answer to you questions because you don't agree with them. Captain Flint, I'm going to assume you were sarcastic for the "wtf @ internet = serious business". Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Marhis on 2006 November 15, 14:34:28 Quote from: "Lizard" So now we have that settled , I would like to know about contestprizes cause that is in my concern if prizes are safe , if there is no money involved ? I searched for this, and the only post I found somewhat related to is maybe this: http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/phorum/viewtopic.php?p=264&highlight=contest#264. I checked in the booty under simbella and tsr, but I did not found out any of that contest stuff, at least judging by the names of files. There's no answer to that post; as MMEStalker said earlier, for a definitive answer, must wait for an admin. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 15, 14:51:30 Quote from: "Icky" This is the only point I have to agree with Lizard (and Nouk) on....I have seen some people requesting contest gifts in their wish lists....and I've seen people requesting them here too and I think it's pretty poor practise...and nothing to do with paysites...I've even seen people requesting prizes from contests that are still running...why not just go and enter the contest?! I can understand you might like the objects being offered as prizes for contests or something but this and the other site is about sharing PAY files, nothing else. Well I can't speaks for this site, but the SFV actually didn't start out sharing pay files, we started sharing "unavailable" files at the time that a certain site LiquidStars was known for flaunting constantly over there members head. It's hard to explain the site, if you were not a member at the time, but it was disgusting. Anyhow the only members who had power in the site and are around today are in charge at Simbellas so.... Anyhow, sharing any unavailable files is very deep rooted in the past of our site, and since it still falls under the basic "EA owns the files, not the creators" we do. I think the reasons are slightly the same, obviously in order to get the "gift" someone had to take the time to complete the contest, and if they want to share after the hard work, why not let them? Just my opinion, and again I can only speak for the SFV.... Title: Re: Apology and some questions still Post by: avic on 2006 November 15, 16:31:45 Quote from: "Captain Flint" Stuff I'm not going to get into a lengthy rebuttal here, but I'll say this: 1) From what I've gathered, Vulzard is a troll. People tend to treat trolls badly. 2) As someone who doesn't agree with file sharing I have not been shushed, or treated badly, and in fact I've been made to feel very welcome. 3) If you want to charge in and be confrontational, which is what you did, don't be surprised if people flame you. If, on the other hand, you want to come in and make intelligent points and engage in debate, the people here have shown that they are quite willing to do so. Title: Re: Apology and some questions still Post by: avic on 2006 November 15, 16:34:46 Quote from: "Pineapplebrain" Quote from: "Captain Flint" First you say you hate other forums that don’t let you speak but when someone comes here and tries you bash him/her; you also claim you wish people would come forward but then when some do and try and debate some or certain peoples actions you do not want to hear it and that person should leave if they don’t like what you say or should leave if the debate goes beyond what you want to hear… I disagree. This is the THIRD time the Lizard has posted here. Has he been banned from ever coming to this site, because we don't like what he says? NO. When everyone was joking about Solander from Pimp My Sims, and he came to defend himself, did everyone start telling him to leave? NO. He was welcomed and talked to, and allowed to give his opinons, no matter what they might be. When avic came presenting what he thought about the whole paysite debate, did anyone tell him to leave? NO. One (new) member insulted him, and a whole slew of other immediately jumped to his defense. So I don't really see how anyone is being hypocritical here. EXACTLY. Oh, and please don't tell my hubby I'm a "he" - there might be some marital discord over that ;-) Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Captain Flint on 2006 November 15, 17:41:47 Quote from: "Lizard" About the question if I am gay , well Captain Flint lets have shower together and find out :lol: When and where did i ask if you were a gay? The only way you or anyone else would get me in a shower is if you were the opposite of my gender with nice perky boobs! Quote from: "coliss" Captain Flint, I'm going to assume you were sarcastic for the "wtf @ internet = serious business". Glad you understood. :wink: Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Lizard on 2006 November 15, 17:44:23 Well I have read enough and I come to this conclusion .
You make no difference between profit items and items that are used to make good time , so you might as well toss that whole story then . If people wanna "share" they "share" , ok , I know enough then . I understand that many of you live very small , narrow lifes . The words gay , lesbian is still very upsetting for you . I would suggest to come out of that little box that you call your life and get a life . I have great respect for Jack. He is creative and he is not hiding himself . It take courage to do that . You acuse him of being lazy , well all I can see is his creations , and his courage . From you I don't see nothing , only words . Yes there are a lot of restrictions and rules that cramp the style .I can agree with that. I read somewhere in here that a girl don't mind to be called slut . Ok, maybe you have no selfrespect at all . For me is no need here to come again , it has led to nothing . I leave you with your outlet of your frustrating lifes , your scoring points , and trashing people . Have cool time with that . Nikos Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: avic on 2006 November 15, 17:47:38 :lol:
I don't appreciate your ruse, ma'am. Seriously, this whole thread was never about an apology, it was yet another (thinly veiled) attempt to troll. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Captain Flint on 2006 November 15, 17:57:54 Quote from: "Lizard" Well I have read enough and I come to this conclusion . You make no difference between profit items and items that are used to make good time , so you might as well toss that whole story then . If people wanna "share" they "share" , ok , I know enough then . Nikos I understood your point but what files are you talking about? can you point them out to anyone? "The gift item" pay items are one thing, gift items would be a whole new story and should have no credibility here, unless they are given away as a gift item for paying a subscription. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 15, 18:09:37 Meh may not have credibility here at a site called "PaySites must be destroyed" but at the SFV they do. We are a filesharing site, and have always claimed to be so, hence the name sharing files. True we do prodominately forcus on pay files and unavailable files due to the nature of the items, and our beliefs about them being available to all. Plus, we like to give respect to the creator that is nice enough to host files for free or after they have left the community allow the files to be FSF.
Some contests are alot more hard work then they are fun, and if you give a gift to a member, it doean't matter whether they donate or pay, it's a *gift* and they can share that *gift* with whomever they please. That's our stance. Umm great now I feel like an allstate ad. Lizard if you think we were making fun of Universal scum because he was gay you completely missed our point. :roll: I for one know of many homosexuals who were just as appaulad at his advocation of unsafe practices and his overall attitude about work and his personal life. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Surelyfunke on 2006 November 15, 18:15:20 I feel that while PMBD has a very specific purpose in "destroying paysites" - that is, to make *pay files* available to all, SFV's purpose is to "make what is unavailable, available to all." Obviously, things that not everyone can get access to such as contest gifts (available to contest winners only), closed sites etc make the rounds in the SFV, because SFV is about getting access to files you can't access as a non-paying, "average" user.
So, yes, Captain_Flint, contest gifts would not really have a place in PMBD, but they would at SFV. I hope that makes sense. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 15, 18:25:03 Quote from: "surelyfunke" I feel that while PMBD has a very specific purpose in "destroying paysites" - that is, to make *pay files* available to all, SFV's purpose is to "make what is unavailable, available to all." Obviously, things that not everyone can get access to such as contest gifts (available to contest winners only), closed sites etc make the rounds in the SFV, because SFV is about getting access to files you can't access as a non-paying, "average" user. So, yes, Captain_Flint, contest gifts would not really have a place in PMBD, but they would at SFV. I hope that makes sense. I concur. But you have to admit, Pescado has proved he can do whatever he pleases. When you are a Pirate you can do things like that. ;) Kill first ask questions later. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Captain Flint on 2006 November 15, 18:33:35 surelyfunke ~ it makes alot of sense,
Thank you for putting this in a way that a child may understand and no i am not a child nor am i poking fun at this :P lets hope Lizard understands this since i think english may not be his first language? Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: yippee on 2006 November 15, 19:06:44 to lizard: openhousejack is that you? you piece of lazy scum. you even give a bad name to all whores out there. i hope no nursing school will accept you, to the far ends of the world. even north korea should ban you in their list of allowed traded wild life species. and to my knowledge, nobody discriminates against gays or lesbians here. edit that: i abhor one of them and it's that dirty, universal drama queen who sells his wares for a piece of versace undies.
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: MMEStalker on 2006 November 15, 19:13:10 Quote from: "Lizard" You make no difference between profit items and items that are used to make good time , so you might as well toss that whole story then . If people wanna "share" they "share" , ok , I know enough then . Huh, did he/she find evidence that PMBD is going to put up contest prizes? Did I miss something? Quote from: "Lizard" I understand that many of you live very small , narrow lifes . The words gay , lesbian is still very upsetting for you . I would suggest to come out of that little box that you call your life and get a life . Huh, once again did I miss something? The only person in this thread who has said anything that could possibly be seen as having a problem with being called gay was Captain Flint. And what sort of fucktard gets angry with a whole board because of one person's post that no one else has said anything about. Quote from: "Lizard" I read somewhere in here that a girl don't mind to be called slut . Ok, maybe you have no selfrespect at all . WTF? So what if someone doesn't have a problem with that, not everyone is going to have your standards, and that's hardly a reason to have a problem with this forum. Quote from: "Lizard" For me is no need here to come again , it has led to nothing . I leave you with your outlet of your frustrating lifes , your scoring points , and trashing people . Have cool time with that . I seriously doubt you won't be back, since you're clearly an attention whoring little troll, lots of people on this board have answered you civilly and all you've done is ignore them and concentrate on things that aren't the majority view here and some things you've clearly made up. I'm not going to bother to be polite to you anymore, because it's boring and I don't see the point in being nice to someone so incredibly hypocritical. Also I'm going to have a fucking fabulous time trashing people, I happen to find my life of trashing people and scoring points wonderfully fulfilling. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: photo on 2006 November 15, 19:24:32 i missed the part where we said we thought that gays and lesbians were bad (or whatever it was that you said we think)..... i for one am very much for GLT rights.... ask anyone who REALLY knows me. i once walked out on a class because the teacher was saying that she knew without a doubt that they choose to be "like that" (in her words") and that there is no possible way that they could ever be born like that.
you piss me off more than you can imagine because you are the worst of internet trash. you are the people that parents warn their kids not to talk to on the internet, i'm sure. SERIOUSLY doubt that you won't be back, as you seem to be an attention whoring bastard/b*tch.... Worry about your own life instead of ours, maybe that will get you somewhere.... Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Sherry on 2006 November 15, 19:24:49 Quote from: "MMEStalker" Quote from: "Lizard" I read somewhere in here that a girl don't mind to be called slut . Ok, maybe you have no selfrespect at all . WTF? So what if someone doesn't have a problem with that, not everyone is going to have your standards, and that's hardly a reason to have a problem with this forum. Uh right, you terrible, terrible girl for not caring someone calls you a slut! But OMG how dare we mention anything about Jack, who comes right out and says he is "A whore" and willing to sell himself for a pair of expensive underwear. Then has the audacity to lecture about self-respect. :roll: Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Plum on 2006 November 15, 20:25:44 I just don't think Lizard speaks good enough English to get what we mean. His interpretations of what we're saying are just too out there.
But, whatever, trolls are entertaining. Oh, and the thing about someone not minding being called a slut... She was saying it didn't bother her if some random person over the internet called her a slut because they don't know her, thus the insult is empty. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: MMEStalker on 2006 November 15, 20:47:20 Quote from: "Plum" I just don't think Lizard speaks good enough English to get what we mean. His interpretations of what we're saying are just too out there. Well, that's fair enough, but if I was posting in a, say, French forum, and knew my French wasn't as good as most of the people on the forum, I would make sure I was certain I knew what they were saying and how they intended it to be taken before being pissy with them. I would ask for clarity if I wasn't sure what something meant. I certainly wouldn't make a post like the one Lizard made. Trolls are indeed very entertaining, though I prefer it when English is their first language, since then I can take the piss out of their spelling and grammar too. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: coliss on 2006 November 15, 20:52:46 Quote from: "Lizard" I read somewhere in here that a girl don't mind to be called slut . Ok, maybe you have no selfrespect at all . Oh noes. Maybe I should visit Dr. Shrink, because I don't respect myself if a random person calls me a slut, uh. Well, geez. I failed at life!!11! Now, I'm about to cry a river over that. :roll: Quote from: "Plum" I just don't think Lizard speaks good enough English to get what we mean. His interpretations of what we're saying are just too out there. I agree. Lizard just don't understand sarcasm, can't read between the lines and takes every fucking little details seriously and personally. We tried, oh we tried... Trolls will be trolls. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: paganwolf on 2006 November 15, 22:09:32 Hell, I'm a bitch and my kids will even tell you that. Ever hear the saying "Sticks and Stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me" Like who cares what someone who doesn't know you calls you. Yes, children can be hurt by name calling, but IMO, as adults we should be able to let something petty like being called some stupid name that someone changed the original meaning.
FYI: bitch Function: noun Etymology: Middle English bicche, from Old English bicce 1 : the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals 2 a : a lewd or immoral woman b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman -- sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse 3 : something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant slut Function: noun Etymology: Middle English slutte 1 chiefly British : a slovenly woman 2 a : a promiscuous woman; especially : PROSTITUTE b : a saucy girl : MINX slovenly Function: adjective 1 a : untidy especially in personal appearance b : lazily slipshod <slovenly in thought> 2 : characteristic of a sloven <slovenly habits> Paganwolf edited: to correct a stupid spelling error DOH Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 15, 22:38:09 I missed the troll?!?! I MISSED THE MUTHAFUCKIN' TROLL?!?!
Oh that's it. I'm never having an early night again. Silly Vulzard. It appears to be of the same ilk as HChangeri. That 'you won't come round to my EXCELLENTLY VOICED opinion, thus you're all no good and made of bad and lose' thing... Quote from: "Lizard" For me is no need here to come again , it has led to nothing . I leave you with your outlet of your frustrating lifes , your scoring points , and trashing people . Have cool time with that What DID they expect their trolling to lead to? Liek, seriously. And what about the point scoring? Seriously. I wanna know how many points I've got, and it had BETTER be on the high end of the scale. And I always have a cool time with THAT. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Plum on 2006 November 15, 22:52:15 Quote from: "MMEStalker" Quote from: "Plum" I just don't think Lizard speaks good enough English to get what we mean. His interpretations of what we're saying are just too out there. Well, that's fair enough, but if I was posting in a, say, French forum, and knew my French wasn't as good as most of the people on the forum, I would make sure I was certain I knew what they were saying and how they intended it to be taken before being pissy with them. I would ask for clarity if I wasn't sure what something meant. I certainly wouldn't make a post like the one Lizard made. Well that's because you're not an idiot, silly goose. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: lemmiwinks on 2006 November 16, 00:09:03 Many people tried to answer the Vulzard's questions. Politely, humorously or as some did, with sarcasm.
Vulzard came in here as a screaming ranting nym shifting troll and now he demands respect for his opinion. He demands answers. Pfft. I wouldn't piss in his ear if his brain was on fire. When the paysites are destroyed, trolls should be next. Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Ambrosya on 2006 November 16, 01:22:30 Quote When the paysites are destroyed, trolls should be next. Isn't there a way we could destroy them at the same time. The kill two birds with one stone theory :) Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: jesserocket on 2006 November 16, 01:28:53 Oh, but trolls are so full of hilarity and lose!!
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Marhis on 2006 November 16, 01:50:55 Not to mention the fact that not killing them at once you can have fun TWICE for the same price :P
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: Plum on 2006 November 16, 02:41:20 After the trolls have no where to congregate they will scatter frantically across the land. It'll be like skeet shooting!
Title: Apology and some questions still Post by: DemonStar on 2006 November 22, 18:39:01 Kinda funny to be mean :oops: :wink:
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