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Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Pineapplebrain on 2007 May 25, 22:11:13 Okay, I know this site is about destroying paysites, but I thought I'd point out the professionalism that Kate from Parsimonious exuded on the front page of the website in response to...what I suppose was "hatemail."
Quote Regardless of whether you are pro or anti-pay site, I would like to remind everyone that free downloads are gifts from their creator to the community. We have been receiving more and more negative messages from visitors demanding items in a particular style, or telling us how much they dislike our work and that we should make different items better suited to their taste, complaining about EP requirements on our houses, without even bothering to notice the large number of new No-EP lots we've published recently. We are of course flattered when people like our items and would like more Iin the same style, it is nice to know what we do is appreciated, especially since our resident artists have chosen not to be paid for our creations. Some people are kind enough to leave positive feedback, others have the decency to spare us their complaints, but an increasing minority are treating us as if we are here solely to serve their wants. To those people: we are not your personal slaves, you are not entitled to downloads and this type of behaviour is precisely what has caused many artists in the past to cease creating entirely. If you don't find what you want here on Parsimonious then try looking elsewhere, we have an extensive links listing, or try our Community Finds Section - try Google or if that fails then go and learn to make it yourself if you feel you can do better In a community where so many artists have a "take their toys and go home" demeanor, I thought Kate handled their situation in an exception manner. Now, I know we're a bunch of vulgar pirates, but maybe in this instance we could lend our support to a free site, instead of only focusing on the horrors of paysites. [/quote] Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Granuaile on 2007 May 25, 22:34:42 I'll definitely send an email of thanks and support to her. Do they have a forum where we can express our support publicly?
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Pineapplebrain on 2007 May 25, 23:03:44 They do not have a forum, as far as I know, but here's a link to their guestbook. http://www.parsimonious.org/guestbooks/
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: mickey on 2007 May 25, 23:15:13 I signed it! :) There is some real jeks out there these days. >.>
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: kathy on 2007 May 25, 23:22:20 I have a feeling her gb is going to be flooded but I signed as well.
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: redisenchanted on 2007 May 26, 00:11:15 Grrr! Parsimonous is one of my all-time fav sites. Since Sims 1 days. People are such huge morons sometimes!
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Granuaile on 2007 May 26, 00:32:24 Quote from: "Pineapplebrain" They do not have a forum, as far as I know, but here's a link to their guestbook. http://www.parsimonious.org/guestbooks/ Got it and thanks. ;) Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: calalily on 2007 May 26, 09:12:23 :lol: I posted when I saw that, before I saw this thread. Parsimonious was the entire reason for my .far file habit in sims 1. I don't really understand the mentality of people who insult people or request something else. I don't mind the "oh, that's so beautiful, but I can't have it because I don't have this ep" stuff - but requests and criticism. Why bother to spend the time posting something negative - just don't say anything at all.
Christ 50 people downloaded strawberry red hair at TSR, so I don't see why everyone thinks all free things have to be to their taste. Personally I don't like realistic looking sims skins, but I don't post in a realistic sim skinners guestbooks how they should change to accomodate me. Jerks! Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Paden on 2007 May 28, 20:55:38 I signed and said thank you. I've been going there to get stuff for ages and it has by far the largest folder in my collection. I burn off all of my downloads in case I have a systems crash and lose the lot! But yeah, Parsimonious has a DVD all it's own.... Love their stuff! But I do miss Happy Moon Belly... Wonder what happened to him/her....
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: alia on 2007 May 28, 21:03:30 Didn't Moonbelly get a job at Maxis/EA? I seem to remember something to that effect.
And that kind of behaviour is just stupid. Personally, I think Parsimonious stuff is OK and I have few of their objects in my game, but it would never even cross my mind to demand them to change their style because I do not like all of it. Stupid spoiled brats that think the world was made for them. :evil: Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: calalily on 2007 May 28, 21:27:33 Far ruder - from Cynara Blade at Insim:
Quote Anyway, some asshat named "Smarter Than You" posted this in Kate's section of the Parsimonious guestbook: "B**ch make me some hairstyles like Peggys. I dun want 2 pay for the hair and I think u are going to make them for me or else I will shut down ur f*ck ugly website coz I am smarter than u U R a s**t and a w**re and a b**ch." How screwy is that? http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=47501&page=8 And yes - Happy Moon Belly is now Maxoid Moonbelly - has a good amount of Maxis recolours on her simpage. Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Hecubus on 2007 May 28, 21:34:55 Quote Stupid spoiled brats that think the world was made for them. Yeah! They need to knock it off. The world was made for ME! <sigh> The misplaced sense of entitlement exhibited in these kinds of posts blows my mind. I'm getting to old for this. Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Tramen on 2007 May 29, 13:39:38 Although I don't like some of the work (don't kill me), I'd never attack them and demand them to create something purely for my tastes - it's insane and time wasting. And their content is for free, so why the bitching?
Quote Anyway, some asshat named "Smarter Than You" posted this in Kate's section of the Parsimonious guestbook: "B**ch make me some hairstyles like Peggys. I dun want 2 pay for the hair and I think u are going to make them for me or else I will shut down ur f*ck ugly website coz I am smarter than u U R a s**t and a w**re and a b**ch." How screwy is that? Woah, someone needs to send that person a large shipment of chill-pills asap! It's people like that, that really really get on my fricken nerves - if you hate it so much, MAKE IT YOUR FUCKING SELF![/quote] Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: ghengisjohn on 2007 May 29, 14:25:58 That sounds more like a troll than a real flame. Then again, that's me refusing to believe someone like that exists for real.
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: pennynne on 2007 May 29, 15:38:36 I just signed in their guestbook to support them a little bit. Parsimonious is a HUGE and a very important site to me! And it's stuff is really high quality! If there's something I don't like I just pass it and that's it, how could you like everything? I'm sure there are others that love something that I'm not really into.
I used to download a lot from Parsimonious since Sims 1, it has been one of my favourite sim pages for years! Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: SparklePlenty on 2007 May 29, 15:47:53 A reason that some people think they can make outrageously offensive posts/emails like that is the fact that they are on the internet, and therefore anonymous. If one of the little weasels had to face you, they would be much more considerate, or risk a punch in the face. Anyone can be an asshole if nobody knows who they are.
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: leilatigress on 2007 May 29, 18:07:14 I have on rare occasions sent in a request from a creator for a different color but usually I just recolor it myself and I have actually sent the recolor to the creator and asked if they wanted it. Some do some don't some flame me for not being thankful and they have taken a holier then thou wow aren't I special and you aren't attitude. I am incredibly thankful for those that take the time to create and more thankful for those that take the time to not only create but make tutorials to help you create.
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: MoonDragon on 2007 May 30, 00:18:07 Thanks for letting us know about this. I rarely read frontpage blurbs. The people who inspired that statement really have some some nerve. I had to go add my support.
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: SnarkyShark on 2007 June 04, 10:49:46 I signed the book about a week ago after reading Kathy's comments about the situation on InSim. Kate, to me, is one of those folks who embody what the community should and can be about. To hear that she's been harassed to the point of having to defend herself, and the artists on her site, was just sad. And it makes me wonder if it was just random idiots or possibly, a more organized attempt to harass and possibly close a free site. (nah, no one's that evil, right?)
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Lorelei on 2007 June 04, 11:32:46 Quote from: "SnarkyShark" And it makes me wonder if it was just random idiots or possibly, a more organized attempt to harass and possibly close a free site. (nah, no one's that evil, right?) You're not paranoid if they are really out to get you. I, for one, thought it was very interesting how the whole Delphy "scandal" blew up mere hours (or so it seemed) after the "EA is gonna getchu, sucka paysites!" emails made the rounds. How better to distract the community at large to a huge hit against paysites than by digging up some ancient drama, recruiting a bunch of naive twelve year olds, exaggerating the drama, throwing in some looney-tune "cult advisory" bullcrap, and copypasta'ing it on ever forum under the sun? Perhaps we need to re-post EA's "Paysites are illegally broaching our copyright" notes, and this time do so just as far and wide as the Delphy slander (Oh hell, is slander the verbal one or the written one?) / libel post was "shared". If we want to be really snarky, we can then also spoof the "I didn't have anything to do with it at all" butt-covering LyricLee blog posts for lulz. YARRR! Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: SoggyFox on 2007 June 04, 12:51:19 I half-suspect that the nast comments were from pro-paysite folks, as an attempt to try and drive off another free site.
After all, if the free-sites go away...... Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: SnarkyShark on 2007 June 04, 12:55:46 The whole "Delphi Drama" was pretty obvious. But it does point to the fact that things are heating up in the simming community (if they're not hot already). So free sites might consider the possibility that they might be targeted. At the very least they can prepare for it mentally. I mean, if Kate and Co. had known it was planned by people with a financial stake involved in the collapse of free sites (if, in fact, it was) maybe then the abuse would have just rolled of their backs.
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: SparklePlenty on 2007 June 04, 13:12:48 Quote from: "Lorelei" ...Perhaps we need to re-post EA's "Paysites are illegally broaching our copyright" notes, and this time do so just as far and wide as the Delphy slander (Oh hell, is slander the verbal one or the written one?) / libel post was "shared". Libel is written and/or published, with the intention or effect of destroying a person's reputation and/or ability to do business. Libel is normally untrue. If it is true, it is not usually libel, unless it is done with malice. Slander is verbally doing the same thing, but I believe it has to be spreading untruths, with malice. Bottom line...If I were a lawyer (and I am not. I only play one on TV) I would sue for libel. This was done maliciously, true or not. There seems to be a case for libel, especially since the writer of the piece announced his/her intentions by saying they were out to destroy someone's reputation. Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Alphess on 2007 June 04, 13:36:44 Quote from: "SparklePlenty" Quote from: "Lorelei" ...Perhaps we need to re-post EA's "Paysites are illegally broaching our copyright" notes, and this time do so just as far and wide as the Delphy slander (Oh hell, is slander the verbal one or the written one?) / libel post was "shared". Omitted for space... Bottom line...If I were a lawyer (and I am not. I only play one on TV) I would sue for libel. This was done maliciously, true or not. There seems to be a case for libel, especially since the writer of the piece announced his/her intentions by saying they were out to destroy someone's reputation. I'm no lawyer either... but I sincerely hope Delphy is considering sueing these people... Rumours like these are no joke, and can affect a person later in life in so many ways... If I were Delphy I'd want some serious proof that I had tried to defend myself so when later in life some bigwig who's about to give him a bigwig job says, "oh we heard this rumour about your dealings with members of your forums years ago..." He'd have court records to prove what was what.... Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: MizzKitty on 2007 June 04, 15:18:09 A private person sueing internet peoplez for libel? Not saying it couldn't happen only that a) it sounds very American to me (sue, sue, SUE!!!) and b) I would honestly like to see how much Delphy would gain from it in the end.
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Hecubus on 2007 June 04, 17:17:09 Random interesting fact*: Residents of Northern Ireland are actually the most litigous people in the Western world...an estimated 50% of them currently have or recently had law suits pending.
*Not sure where I heard that..probably after a difficult meeting with co-workers in Northern Ireland. I know it's a high number, though. Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Sherry on 2007 June 04, 17:50:43 Wow I can't believe some people feel they are entitled to act in such a way. Then again, I don't usually understand the way people act anyway so I could be far off in my assumptions of what others consider appropriate behavior.
It's good at least she is putting things into perspective. I left a message of support as well. Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Ash Redfern on 2007 June 04, 20:19:40 I've recently noticed a slightly new poll up at Parsimonious. (http://www.parsimonious.org/)
Quote Since currently donations from visitors covers less than 3% of Parsimonious yearly expenses, how do you think the site should be funded? One of the options on the poll is for Parsimonious to go to subscriptions (which 8% have picked) and another is to have pay per sets/items (of which 4% picked). They have a few other options but the most popular one by far is the idea of continuing to use advertising. Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Ensign EO on 2007 June 04, 20:51:03 "1.6% - The site should close"
:? I'd hate to see Parsimonious close. I don't have piles of stuff from them, but I have just enough that I keep going back in case I find something interesting. Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Anouk on 2007 June 04, 21:18:00 We should set up some funding for sites that are older than a year, popular, but hardly get donations. But how would we go about that? :|
Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: silver on 2007 June 04, 21:25:18 Thank you. I am not alone.
I've been posting on various forums that as paranoid as this sounds, it seems like the rude, annoying, and sometimes, downright false statements against free site owners and creators have stepped up considerably over the last six months or so .... ever since a lot of paysite owners got a whiff that a certain anti-paysite board was pricking a hole in the paysite owners' egos. Ever since several free site owners and creators have openly spurned paysite advances or have openly criticized paysites. New creators get snide first or second comments openly stating that their creations stink, whether they do or not, or people start nit-picking and get the creations tossed off because of some obscure board rule intepreration that almost no one else cares about. People like Kate, Warlokk and Nouk are getting some of the most stupid-ass comments I have seen on ANY board. Some of the comments are barely literate in ANY language. A seven-year conviction is SUDDENLY of immediate importance. (Why now?) I'm even seeing story writers getting nasty comments about their writing style. ALL coincidences? Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Alphess on 2007 June 04, 21:25:54 Quote from: "MizzKitty" A private person sueing internet peoplez for libel? Not saying it couldn't happen only that a) it sounds very American to me (sue, sue, SUE!!!) and b) I would honestly like to see how much Delphy would gain from it in the end. No I don't really think he would "gain" anything from it, not financially anyway, I just think it couldn't hurt to stand up for oneself... at least when one is being called a child molester... And with Parsimonious, one of my favorite sites... how come that one message leaver used 'Peggy' specifically? How'd it go, "make me some hairs like Peggy, I don't want to have to pay for them" I'm mostly an outside observer with all this paysite/freesite stuff... but even with the little bit of it I've followed it sure seemed like Peggy would be the most likely suspect for leaving a message like that... maybe that was mentioned earlier in this thread, sorry if it was... Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Ash Redfern on 2007 June 04, 21:52:35 Quote from: "N0uK!!EINZ" We should set up some funding for sites that are older than a year, popular, but hardly get donations. But how would we go about that? :| This would be a nice idea if possible. While I don't have a whole lot from Parsimonious in my game, I would still hate to see it go. They have some creative individuals there who freely share their talents with the community. Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Hecubus on 2007 June 04, 22:03:06 Quote from: "Ash_Redfern" Quote from: "N0uK!!EINZ" We should set up some funding for sites that are older than a year, popular, but hardly get donations. But how would we go about that? :| This would be a nice idea if possible. While I don't have a whole lot from Parsimonious in my game, I would still hate to see it go. They have some creative individuals there who freely share their talents with the community. I second all that. Kate's creators sometimes make very ...um.....interesting pieces I wouldn't put in my game, but I completely respect her desire to stand out (and truly, don't some of these sites blend together?), her vehement desire to stay a free site, and she's an awesome person...funny, considerate, passionate (she's made me howl in laughter more than once in emails). There HAS to be some way we can support free sites....after all, it's money better spent. Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: redisenchanted on 2007 June 05, 02:51:17 Well, I'm confused. Didn't Parsimonous state that they didn't want any donations a while back? They had an amusing blurb about how they would only buy cake.
I just donated to them and I would have much sooner if I'd known they needed it. :shock: Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: calalily on 2007 June 05, 08:22:26 Quote from: "redisenchanted" Well, I'm confused. Didn't Parsimonous state that they didn't want any donations a while back? They had an amusing blurb about how they would only buy cake. I just donated to them and I would have much sooner if I'd known they needed it. :shock: They used to have the cake thing. But I think recently, just like MTS2's jump in visitors, they've had one too. They kind of hid it for a while - in an obscure page - it's good they put it on the front page. Title: On a slightly more positive note Post by: Jojoba on 2007 June 05, 09:25:02 Quote from: "silver" I've been posting on various forums that as paranoid as this sounds, it seems like the rude, annoying, and sometimes, downright false statements against free site owners and creators have stepped up considerably over the last six months or so .... ever since a lot of paysite owners got a whiff that a certain anti-paysite board was pricking a hole in the paysite owners' egos. Silver, it is so true. Of course some of it is still idiots, but a majority (a vast majority at that) are paysite people...whether they are owners, creators or just downloaders/ass kissers. :roll: Its ridiculus imao.. |