PMBD

I kinda left an URL (to their own booty-item list) on some paysite guestbooks and contact forms just to annoy them... I mean those who didn't already know they had been caught. I hope I didn't do anything wrong since we're right and they are wrong.

I just wanted to be really mean.  :twisted:

lol it's not bad, everyone else here does that all the time.  Though I prefer to target downloaders, rather than paysites. You know, slip em the ol PM when they are looking for something that turns out to be from a paysite.  I don't care to rub it in paysite faces so much.  Even though we are helping them by alleviating that expensive bandwidth!

Awwwww. I thought I was being rlyrrlyomgz meeeen. Oh well.

I suggest everyone does it now on.

...but what makes it so fun is when I find a paysite that doesn't know and they mail me back all "omgz wtf is this oneone I call cops" and I'm like "I asked why should I pay when it's free?"

lol Nina... i WANT one of them to call the cops. could you imagine that police report. "what seems to be the problem mam" "its these mean people on the net, they stole my work that i had already stole and put in on another site." LMAO........ :lol:

but then again they could come over here and cry that they can't feed their babies....and we can point and laugh!  We need drama from the paysite owners, I miss it :cry:

Where's a good ol' Heather when you need her?

I have secretly PM'd many a person at TSR and others with the link to this site, and the booty.

"this site will be dealt with very soon. all the paysites are coming together to track down these **holes and eliminate them for good! they can't hide behind WhoisGuard forever!!"

This is from pandorasims and one of my favorites.

What are they gonna do? Hit with a stick?

Well, my friend, you DID wrong thing!

This whole site IS ILLEGAL!

Electronic Arts EULA don't have anything with objects created by 3rd part.

All objects, no matter are they from EA or 3rd party companies are COPYRIGHTED.

And this is what law said about your action: The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of copyrighted work is illegal.
Criminal copyright infringement, including infringement without monetary gain, is investigated by the FBI and is punishable by up to 5 years in federal prison and a fine of $250,000

You should think about it...

When you see blue flashing light in front of your house - you'll know...

(http://www.poliisi.fi/intermin/images.nsf/files/8D58EF6FDD94A3D8C22572BB00291BA3/$file/maija3.jpg)

Hey, shitface, I see police cars outside my house every damn day. Nothing new. Gee. What did -I- do?  :twisted:

Oh yeah. I don't know how long has this been there;

http://www.valdea.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=825

PS;

You have been banned from this forum.
Please contact the webmaster or board administrator for more information.

DAMN IT.  :P

Are you serious?  BTW, what site are you from?  :D

Oh I like this:

I wanna see FBI agents... in Finland we don't have FBI... wonder if they'd send a sexy one? Rawrrr.

Of course.  All FBI agents are sexy.  It's a requirement.

Just like pirates.  :o

WOW!  Really...  :roll:

(http://www.halcyon.com/donace/PIRATE05AE.JPG)

No comment.

IT'S YOU! You're from DMA Sims!  :o

Can I shake your hand? I've never met a real idiot before.

You're directlinking again, criminal.

Besides, the 2nd pirate is my husband and damn sexy.

You don't have mirror in house...?

Not me... your nice site did it....  lol

Okay, listen. I'm not gonna argue with you since you act like an 5 year old.

Really, what do you think you can do? Go home now.

What site? This isn't my site.

What I really want to know is, is Samantha enjoying the booty?  And, we've heard every argument under the sun, and still know we're not in the wrong with this site.



Also, if it's illegal for other sites to give away pay sets for free, why hasn't EA stepped in?  And I always thought non commercial meant you weren't making money from it.  Since commercial=able to yield or make a profit and non=: not : other than : reverse of : absence of.

Why? I like be here and annoys you...

I know this is a bit different but lets start selling WoW/any other game -POSTCARDS- printed from the game and see what happens. lol.

Too bad EA is lazy... I'll laugh the day EA decides to put a stop to them.

I think she's more amusing than annoying...

Sorry, but you don't "annoys" us. You are welcome. We need some fun. We would be bored to death if not somone like you would come here from time to time. So please, go on!  :D  Pescado loves that  :roll:

fourohfourerror:

EA don't allows pay sites, but actually these sites making advertisement for EA, so they (EA) close one eye...

Donations are normal thing in normal world. Nobody force your to make donation and site owners can give something to ppl who supporting it.

Objects created by EA or 3rd party modders are under copyright and this is what is illegal about this site. Copyright laws forbid you to give away copyrighted material withour owner permission.

Hehe... me too...

Yes, yes. You keep babbling about this but it's just talk... what do you really think you can do? I'm still waiting for the police. Did you mention them about my cats? I mean, if they break my door and my cats run away... I might sue!

Fine Samantha, we've heard it a million times.  EA is closing the other eye to PMBD and file sharing.  Both sides are making a profit for EA, so they'll keep their mouths shut.  

It's like beating your head against a brick wall repeatedly.

Actually, sweetie, EA owns all of the copyrights connected to their game, even for things developed by 3rd party groups. Plus they allow distribution of these materials (.package format) for non-commercial use. This site is non-commercial (money is only being lost here), and not many paysites can say that.

Yeah, admit it Sammy. You just want us to pay your family's next Spain vacation.

It is obvious that Samantha did not inform herself about what is illegal and what isn't. So maybe she can learn about it here.
I wonder if the FBI is already there in front of THOMASS home?

Awwww, who's a cute fluffy troll? Please don't go away soon as others of your kin usually do, will you? It's a shame this forum's troll mascots don't last, really.

Yeah... we don't ban you (like you do to your poor trolls) we just wanna pet you.

Yup, donations are normal. The moment you start asking for donations to give out a certain object, it's no longer a donation. Putting up a tip jar in your café would be concidered asking for voluntary donations, while saying "If you give me money, you can have this muffin!" is a SALE.

People that can't spell out "people" makes me cringe.

Oh, I almost forgot. Since it's a sale, you should be paying taxes for that income. I need your taxmoney for social service so I can feed my chilluns.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/shannis75/jack.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/shannis75/jack2.jpg)
Sorry, could not resist.

Ohsexy. *falls over* @_____@ <333

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/shannis75/jack.jpg)


Oh, if I have to go to prison with him, I'd stay they for the rest of my life.

I think she left. Darn.

The trolls today, they have no stamina nor are they stubborn enough.

Hopefully she just left to call the police and will be back.  :D

Nina, it looks like this troll followed you home, so do you know what it means? Yes - it is yours responsibility now to feed it and change its litterbox. I hope that teaches you, kid, that no matter how cute and fluffy trolls can be, they're not just about petting and cuddling, they need lots and lots of care.

And I v. much hope it doesn't have fleas.

Aww did the 2 toys leave already?  :( And just when I was lamenting the fact that there hadn't been any owners/fangirls around they come out when I'm sleeping!!!!  :cry:  :cry:   And I would like to have fun but English is obviously not Samantha's first language, and is thus a bit confused, and that's probably why she can't grasp what the EULA means.....poor thing, I pity her.

Damn I want one who bites!!!!!  Bring it on! LOL  Threatening with the FBI is just cute and naive  :roll:

Jack Sparrow is by far the sexiest pirate...

...hey, where did the troll go? Come back little troll, your idiotic ramblings were entertaining! Why is it that I always miss the good stuff?

Aww I know... it followed me from DMA Sims... which means it also might have rabies.

I thought she was American, since she threatened us with FBI. I'm European and I'd never threaten to call the FBI, since it would never cross my mind. Like Nina stated, we have no FBI here.

Oo, and extra brownie points for Sammy for finding a picture of an actual Finnish police vehicle, but I don't find that picture threatening at all. It is actually quite picturesque, IMHO.

I've threatned to call the Russian mafia once.  :o

Now that's scary.

Grah, it's because of you restless botherers our trolls quit so fast - they're chased away by your constant attention!  :evil: They come here stressed already, strange environment, funny smells and all that, and then everyone rushes in to cuddle the thing instead of letting them lurk quietly under the bridge for some time, no wonder they freak out and leave.

As for sexy pirates, I can't see what's wrong with those that Sammy-troll posted. Very doable bunch of men...well, would be if they had one more dimension.

From DMA Sims forum:


They are so naiive I almost feel guilty for making fun of them or poking them with sticks. Now, if they really give their subscribers a link to the booty, why would anyone renew their subsciption?

And Russian Mafia is scary.

I think it was Sam's inability to quote correctly that got me confused on the English part.  And it could always happen that it's a foreigner living in the US, but usually they don't give a rat's ass about EULA...

I'm so amused right now I have to leave to the wealthfare office.

...I wonder if they'd give more money now when I have a troll to be fed?

(I can't believe I just told that. Oh well. I love you guys.)

Is anyone else having a problem with DMA's site?  I can't get to the forum, and when I go to the main page, I get a bunch of errors.

Seychelles is my favorite location...

Yay! She's back! :D

Did you call the police?

___
404error, I get a critical error when I try to enter the forum and the main page looks wonky for me, too.

Is it just me or does the word "donation" not rub you wrong? Maybe it is different where I live, but usually the word "donation" is used in conjunction with a charitable organization such as St. Jude's Children's Hospital or the Paralyzed Veterans Association or the Public Radio Network, certainly not from someone wanting to make a buck and it not go to a "worthy" cause (unless you count the hundreds of scam organizations who are looking for "charitable donations" in order to just... well... scam you out of money. LOL).

I specifically mention these 3 because in each case I get my "gift" first, before I even make a donation to them. I got a really nice coffee mug from UNC Public Radio and I gladly gave them a donation. Same with St. Jude and PVA. I get lovely address labels (although a little cheaply made, much like the crap that paysites try to "pass off" as "pay quality items, "whatever the fuck that means) and again I gladly donate. These donations are also tax deductible.


So, I'd like to ask Samantha if she returns where is my "pre-donation" gift and my receipt for tax purposes. After all it is a "donation."

Nope. But my attorney probably will...

There is no pre-donation gift, but you'll get post-donation gift, and if you make donation, you'll have your receipt.

Oooo, so scared! ;)

Really...? No kidding...?   :twisted:

Oooh! Please, please, please have your attorney pursue this! Actually, just record the part of the conversation where he laughs hysterically and then hangs up.

Scared? Me too...

You didn't call the police? Darn, I was hoping for cop cars showing up outside my place with their lights flashing and stuff. Maybe even some snipers and the SWAT-team, but I guess that would be too much to ask.

So, you're going to sue us then? Lovely! Nobody has threatened that before!  :lol:

Now, I'm just curious, in which court are you going to sue us?  In Europe, or in the States? Canada? I'm just curious, because I wonder how much I have to pay for the lawyers's fees.

Well the only DMA site I can find that is sims2 related has been blocked on my Uni's internet network :lol:

But is it tax deductible? Are you a 501 C 3 organization that is federally regulated to take donations?

From the IRS...

Donation is a gift to a fund or cause, typically for charitable reasons.

(it is also the beginning statement on the Wiki for the key term "donation" and I don't see Sims anything in relation to the word "donation" in either text.)





Let's hope it is in the US. The USD is not doing to good against the Euro or Pound, so it would seem that it would be much cheaper.  :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

What of? That you were wrong all along and might have to fess up you were wrong? Don't be, we all make mistakes ;)



It's the only one thats being blocked, shows you how bad your site is :lol:

Sammy honey, as a troll you are quite underwhelming.

You should be ranting and raving that we will burn in HELL because we're SINNERS and THIEVES and you'll hack our site and infest our computers with viruses.

Instead you seem to have crashed your own site.

She's a shit troll; she's not at all interesting or amusing :lol:

I know. This isn't even funny because it is too easy.

Sometimes I suspect that they come here to stir up trouble because their businesses are doing badly, and hope for another subscriber - so that they'll get money for at least some of their stuff.

My site working, but maybe you can't see it...  :twisted:

Are you trying to imply that you've managed to hunt down her computer and IP address and block it? Even though she could easily find it through google?

Some how I don't think your computer skills are that amazing ;)

I went to Google and looked up DMA Sims and I think I found your place. I don't really know because I have never been there until today. IF it is the same place, can't people get all of these "things" from InSim's Insiminator for free?

Maybe I went to the wrong place and you are offering something I can't get for free. <shrugs>

I'm back. Sorry Sammy, they said I can't have money to feed you since you don't seem to be a pretty good troll. How about you make this 'attorney' (a.k.a your 10 year old friend) sign up and post? Maybe then they would!  :D

http://www.valdea.com

It opend just fine... well, not the forum tho' haha.

Well, I can. Not that there's anything particularly interesting to see, though.

You managed to find it? I get sims2 sites referencing them but no direct link :shock: Christ, maybe the troll has managed to hide her site from us pirates!



Yep, thats the one I found but it's beeing blocked - maybe a good thing?

Think twice... Maybe I'm not kid like you...

Yeah, that's the one I found. All of the hacks (I guess they are hacks) that I saw, I have in my InSiminator. I don't do custom Sims in my game. Have never downloaded a one. So, as I thought nothing there interests me. :D

Thanks for the link!

:lol: Hun, I've not been a kid for years :lol:

lol, yeah. Just watch out for the forums. They ban for trying to save people.

Ah, it is working now.

Now, having browsed through your site quicky, I have to agree with Becky.
You can get same stuff for free and your site is outrageously expensive. It is one time donation, but still. And the stuff there is unremarkable. I'd have to say that "Danny" or whatever his name is, should find another means of income.  I'm not even being sarcastic or nasty, but I can't imagine how you'd attract enough customers with the unremarkable products you are selling... correction, giving as a post-donation gift.

I don't understand this kind of game modification anyway. Dude, I wanna play the game not sit and watch it play itself.

Oh man... you know, this all made my day. ^^

Hehe...
Yes Nina, I'll finally agree with you... this is really funny. It's make my day too...

All of you here thinks that objects and other staff from DMA are "unremarkable products", so, I really don't know why you spending bandwith on this site hosting these "unremarkable products"...

Very interesting... don't you think?

I'll never put 3rd party "unremarkable products" on my site...

Ah, yes, you probably doing this to show other ppl how bad that staff is...  :)

Actually Samantha I always thought it was to accommodate the people who were actually about to be taken by sites like yours. It has nothing to do with my personal taste or desires, or anyone else's. "We" don't own this site. I don't think your items are "all that," but someone might and I think that the owner is just trying to help people out, whether I think it is shit or not. I know I have never downloaded anything of yours, nor would I. I have certain people I like for items in my game, you are not one of them.

It's just the principle.

Pay for them = wrong.
Share = goooood.

...but please go on, this is funny. *pets* Good troll.

Us lot don't own the site, but we all believe that paying for custom content is wrong, especially when in the EULA it states that. And seeing as no other gaming community charges for custom content, why should the Sims2 community be an exception? It just seems we have greedy 'fans' who have no morals or conscience.

We host all sorts of custom content, that one person might think is crap but the next might not; as others have said it depends on the the person's personal tastes.

This troll is being far too polite :?

I stand corrected. She is not a native speaker. So, because picking on people who do not master the language of the argument is mean, I'm leaving her alone.  You've won, Sammy. I'll shut up. :)

(I'm such a softie.)

Did you pay for your copy of Windows or your copy of Sims 2 game?

There is big difference between sharing and stealing... don't you think?

Just because she's not a native speaker of English, doesn't mean she's an exception to the rule that we take the piss out of the silly trolls who invade this forum. Idiots come from all walks of life and nationalities :D

Can you, please, post EULA here... maybe other ppl don't know it...

What the hell are you babbling about? Are you SHARING the items you SELL?

Yes I paid for my Windows... I'm STILL paying it. Also all my Sims 2 games are bought from a store.

You don't have a point, do you? Try harder.

Besides, I think Windows and EA use 80% of their money on developing new stuff, not take the boss on a Hawaii cruise.

True, but there is no challenge, if she's struggling with the language.
And my carefully constructed sentences will go over her head, so it's a wasted effort.  :lol:

Yeah... besides, it's so cuuute. Look, it pooped it's pants.

Oh and seriously... I'M not a native speaker. I have errors in grammar here and there so basically what Sammy here has is called stupidy with languages.

For Samantha:

"Without limiting the preceding sentence, you may not modify, reverse engineer, disassemble, license, transfer, distribute, create works from, or sell the Tool, or use the Tools & Materials to further any commercial or unlawful purpose. Without limiting the foregoing, you may not use the Tools & Materials to promote another product or business, or on any site that operates or promotes a server emulator."

Here's the full EULA:

http://thesims2.ea.com/community/approval_fansitekit_ep2.php

It's a huge dispute within the Sims2 community, seeing as it's not entirely clear from EA's end if they agree with paysites or not. But as I mentioned before, other gaming communities do not charge for custom content, so why the hell do Sims2 fans believe they have the god given right to make us pay for custom content?

That Samantha, had to be have been the worst comparison you could have ever made regarding fan sites and the actual game.

Us here, pay for our games, we fork out hundreds of dollars to enjoy a game.

Why should we have to fork out more money for a few fancy items, when we can get them for free?

95% of the content which is disdributed freely on the internet for the sims, is about 100 times better then what is posted on those free sites.

Then you get some of the content that's nice, and you really want it, but you see a "Donation Gift only".

Pfft yah right. If it was a donation gift, why smack a bunch of rules regarding redistribution of it.

I've gotten donation gifts in real life, things I've had, I gave away, why should this be no difference?

This is pretty much what this site is, people who paid their money, giving those who cannot afford it, the chance to have the nice things.

You whinge and complain because a bunch of people refuse to subscribe for your crap, and you hide behind your laws, which if you even bothered to read anything into this site at all, do not apply here.

Not to mention, here where I live, anything such as what is going on (with the paysites that is), is against the Law, and can be taken to court (with much success may I add) quite easily.

My brother in law is a well paid lawyer, and his wife plays the sims, he has no problems with her downloading from this site, as well...it's not against the law, its not breaking any law. All this content is free, it's being freely distributed, and no one is asking for money or so called "donations", if they did, then that would be illegal.

I dont know how old you are, but I'd judge you to be about 20, with a very poor grasp for the English language.

I myself am 20, I live with my fiance, I'm a student, and I'm poor.

I say thanks to everyone here because well, they had the guts to do what needed to be done, stick a pole up the arses of the paysites and tell them to try and sit down.

If they dont like it, then tough, they'll have to deal with the consequences of their actions, which every single person has to.

No one here is breaking any laws, as laws have already been broken.

If you want the real criminals, look at your precious paysite masters and think about it for one second.

Or are you so high up on your cloud of righteousness that you're too empty headed to see how poor your arguments really are.

I'd like you to try and type a longer paragraph then this, without having to copy and post a bunch of laws and EULA shit to us, and maybe I'll read it while I enjoy my milk and biscuits.

Of course, anything you say to me will probably just be a load of rubbish which would sound better coming from a 5 year olds mouth.

I'm not a native speaker either. Stick to your guns, Alia, perhaps she's just pretending to not understand.

The thing that made me lulz was how they whined about us being illegal and then encouraging others to hack this site. Yea, because, hacking is sooo legal - and so is being a vigilante.  :roll:

You asked for the EULA, Sam? Well, here it is (http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/). Notice the parts in bold. Ouch, you probably didn't even see them before, did you?

I'll admit I downloaded the DMA NPCs from the booty. I had seen them around for years, but had never ever wanted to buy them (yes, dear, money in exchange for goods and/or services constitutes a sale, not a donation), but I removed them from my game again pretty fast. They were cluttering up my game and very uninteresting. I'm SO glad that I never wasted money on that.

Here's how I see it.

EA can't go hiring lawyers to take down every paysite, that'd be a huge waste of their money since they don't LOSE anything from them existing. Same with PMDB. If there was something offered for download that EA should've made money on, it's possible that they would take action, but not likely concidering it'd still just reach a small percentage of the community.

They make a shitload of money on The Sims 2, and as long as they don't lose any money they couldn't care less. Which means it's up to us to interpret the EULA, and I think it's pretty clear what that says.

So sure, keep your paysite up. We'll keep on sharing.

Have a nice day.

Aye, an it seems to me that we may have found us a wee little girlfriend for our other pet troll, otherwise known to us as Rat... Maybe we can lock them up under a custom content bridge and breed them, then sic them onto other sites who will then try to copyright them and say that we can't have them... Ya don't make shit for a game like Sims 2 and expect to get paid when you are ripping off the original makers... Oh, and I paid dearly for my copy of Windows (XP Media Edition if that means a damn) and all of the parts that went into making my computer when I had it custom built. I also bought each Sim expansion pack that I wanted. Too bad most of yer shit seems to be on the same level as the game stuff.... See, thing is, the game stuff sucks donkey balls and we like to have stuff that is decent, hence the custom content. Asking for donations to cover bandwidth is fine... But when you attatch a nice little carrot to bribe people to give you money, then it becomes a business concern and you aren't allowed to do that. Makes me kinda wish that Maxis/EA could come to your house and repossess your games and shit cause you are abusing the ability to make shit. Gah, would someone please put the troll out for some air, she's getting a wee bit wiffy!

P.S.
My lawyer can beat up your lawyer in the law library, cause he is about my age, or at least in his late thirties... I'm in my mid 40's, so.... I'm not the kid you obviously are. See, I had my lawyer look this Sims shit over, and it's the paysite owners who are fucking wrong, not us...

P.P.S.
I forgot to ask one question of you, Samantha... who died and left YOU God?

It's THAT simple!

But no. Nononono. They roll around like a dog on horse shit.

Why can't they just admit it that they want the money for personal use and not for example bandwidth. Dude, my site has unlimited half-free bandwidth. I could easily start selling SHIT (that's what most of the paysites sell in the end) and say I need it for my bandwidth.

ADMIT IT.

Their only victory at the moment now is that they made me loose my cool.

Yup exactly.

As long as EA is not the one being harmed here, they wont give a flying rats arse about your paysites at all.

EA wouldnt take action on this site, considering the fact we have done nothing illegal to them in anyway, it is not like we are distributing their GAMES for free, no we arent. We're distributing THEIR products, and yes I will say THEIR products, because technically anything with the sims logo/name/whatever is owned by EA, but we are not SELLING them, the paysites are.

Paysites are making money from EA game's own creation, which is illegal, yes it is, deal with it, go whine to your mummy.

It would be like someone creating a program specifically for Windows and whacking a Microsoft logo and brand name to it, and trying to sell it, with no direct permission from Microsoft themselves.

That is what pay sites do.

They whack a Sim Logo, sim related item, and sell it, as somoene said, any exchange of money for goods is a sale, not a donation.

Wow silence....

I want to put a title in my name that says "Phorum Troll Killa"

;\

She probably realised she was in the wrong and is too ashamed to admit it...or too busy uploading the next bit of crap to earn her a few extra bucks!

I'm pouting. My troll ran away. ;___;

Was that a troll I hit on the way in? Damn......alright, who let the trolls run loose here? Dammit, lookit all the blood and guts.........oh well.........

Sigh, i finally take the time to type out something smart, and the troll doesnt even take the time to read it :(

maybe I made her head explode oO

I read it. *snug* ...but I already know it so... bweh.

If Sammy ever comes back she needs to inform her lawyer to contact ours in Malaysia :P

OH and Sammy I have a feeling you came straight to the booty and forum WITHOUT reading the legalese that dear Pescado put up there, along with tidbits of other trolls who've tried to do what you're doing.

since i always miss the good stuff  i thought i'd contribute this lil nugget i found on her site



way to cover your ass, thats all im saying.


on a side note:i didn't know 12 yr olds could hire a lawyer without a parents approval/consent :D

I would say I'm surprised that a 12 year old know what a lawyer is, but with the suing culture that seems to be around these days I'm not entirely surprised; it's probably their first word after 'mama' or 'dada'

Not a lawyer, an attorney.

That's before L in the big girls dictionery...

One thing I'm confused about....is Samantha Danny?  If so then we got another Cardrew on our hands......

Paysite whores keep using the same argument OVER and OVER and OVER again, and when we post the same answers OVER and OVER and OVER again, they dissapear without a trace, having no answers left.

Except the one honest one they don't want to share, wich is "It is all about the money, you are standing in my way, and there's not a fucken thing I can do about it! WAAH!"

I could 'donate' every paysite owner 5 cents if they'd in public admit the money they gather goes to their new PS3 and not bandwidth or similar.

Selfish people. And OMG you are Nouk. Let me touchy you. o_O

I think, if you REALLY want to piss off the paysites, and it's probably been suggested before, so don't make me walk the plank,a PMBD exchange ought to be setup, similar to Insimenator, where we could upload and share what all we have created with the booty files.

Is this another Troll?  :roll: I hate trolls...I may disappear for a while...



Nina: there isnt that much point in posting the booty link in paysites guestbooks - well unless you purely want to mean. :wink:

PMing people the booty link is a lot more effective...as then (hopefully and usually, depending on the site/forum) you don't get caught. And then they pass it onto their chums...and so on so fourth...the knowledge of PMBD grows. And then we can all drink rum and have a pirate party! Huzzah!! :)

Sam, but there's no stealing about this site. If I'm not mistaken, it goes like this: either some benefactor purchases a paystuff, or site owners do that with donated money - i.e. there does happen a monetary transaction between a business and a customer. And then those kind people share the stuff they bought - and consequently, obtained legit rights to it - with the rest of us their buddies (yay! grouphug!).

It's so simple, but for some reason all trolls tend to overlook this fact. Maybe PMBD gotta concoct a FAQ for aspiring trolls and include this, so that they'd learn to be more creative next time?

Unfortunately, trolls don't read faqs, even if it was 'FAQ: For Trolls'. It would ruin their fun in coming in here and whining: OMG!!!! U thieves!!!!! I'm gonna sue ur ass!!!!  U burn in hell!!!!1111oneone

(I admit my imitation was rather poor. Sorry, I just cannot lower myself to the level of an average paysite owner/troll. It just isn't physically or mentally possible for me.)

Ha I like that alia. Trolls are exceptionally stupid, so maybe they would read a Troll FAQ  :lol:  :roll:

Oh man, I missed the troll. Why do they always show up when I'm asleep?

What's funny is that DMA really doesn't have anything but their NPC sets, which we are up to date on anyway....and which we'll get the updates for when the next EP comes out.

I love that these sites think that we can't get their stuff....like a few threats and some bannings will keep us away. Instead, it makes me want to pillage all the more.

ARRR!!!

damn, missed it.  9 pages and the reading still wasn't very interesting *yawn*  If you're going to target paysites, target intelligent (oxymoron?) paysite owners, instead of ones who repeat their tired clauses over and over.

Even I am a better troll than that!

*Clears throat*

Hello, I am Troll nr.10290447!

*BAD PEOPLE! BAD BAD BAD! I wanted to buy a car and now it's taking me forever! You poop heads.

*EA don't give a crap so why do you?

*You're not Pirates! You're Robin Hoods! Robin Hood wore tights! Hahah sissies!

*Thanks for makin me realize TSR will pay me no matter how many times you steal my stuff! Squeeee!  Let me repeat that: SQUEEEEE!

*DUDE this is illegal! Utterly utterly evil! Take off all the stuff! (Let me download first though, DUH.)

*Let me hack you. I am sexy!

*Pescado is a girl!

*You have no morals! You have no empathy! You have no decency! I had no proper education! I NEED MY PAYSITE TO SURVIVE!

*Pirate sites are soooo 2005!

*I'm going to destroy you!! I will send all my 3 regular website visitors at you AT ONCE! They shall download EVERYTHING! It will overload your CPU! Haaaaa---- hahahaha! COUGH COUGH

lmfao!!! "...3 regular website visitors.." Classic!!

LG

10290447, you ROCK!

You hit all the notes...beautifully. The only thing you didn't do is threaten to send your 12 year old hacker boyfriend to do bad stuff to us. I want a scribbled on phpbb tag again to prove your mettle!

Does anyone else ever feel like you're on a merry-go-round with these people?

I vote that Samantha The Troll gets chucked and we keep Troll nr.10290447!  :wink:

And nordicicequeen it is exactly like a merry go round...one pops up, yells, threatens, goes away, comes back, yells, goes away...and then a month later there is a brand new troll..blerghh

Oh, Noukie, you're a much better troll than Sammy. Please, entertain us for a while!

ZOMG! I just had a brilliant idea! Nouk, you start a service for poor paysite owners that cannot even troll. You'd troll for them here, and they'd pay you so that you could feed your chilluns and buy your brother a new kidney.

Everybody will be happy! We get the trolls we deserve, paysite owners know that we get trolled and your brother gets a new liver. Everybody wins!  :lol:

Oh, the things that happen while I sleep..

I don't know who Samantha is but DMA is Danny's site.

(And for who was saying that it was a bad price.. man, it's $10 "forever" essentially.  I paid like over a year ago and still have access to updates.  Don't knock Danny. >.<  He may be a paysite but he's definitely not the worst offender..)

LMAO  Nouk you and Alia are too funny

psst Alia wasn't her brother getting his kidney replaced not his liver? ;)  LOL
I could sooo see paysiter owners saying that too lol first kidney then liver

Willie, if you get a new kidney, they'll throw in the liver for free.

And kidney schmidney, those internal organs, they all look the same!
Quit nitpicking an pay me, damnit!

*throws all her cash at Alia which is like $3 worth* >.<  There you go hon, now go buy those chilluns of yours something nice with that  :roll:  :lol:

*sits in the corner and pouts*

I'm practically anl newbie, it's not my fault just the smallest trolls follow me home.

Ooh, Internet lawyer , attorney at LOL! :lol: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Internet_lawyer


She are Srs Troll, and this are Srs Thread! Intarwebz: SRS BIZNIZ!!


You're cute. Can we keep you?



Not hardly. Then again, I have a choice of IPs to use. All of mine work juuuuust fine.

More to the point, we already have everything on that site. There's no point in visiting it.



Not to mention that he rather arrogantly refuses to bother to worry about compatibility with other modders. His hacks and mods are infamous for not playing nicely with others.  :roll:

But, if you MUST have this crap, go here: http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/booty/dmasims/

ETA: consolidated posts into one megapost

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l306/Doursim/donotwant.jpg)

sorry couldn't help myself.

I don't know about that. I've never had a problem with DMA conflicting with other modders' stuff.. (but then, I haven't downloaded every mod in existance and then stuck it in my game. ;p)

Also, to say that you're going to make your stuff compatible with everyone else's is utterly insane.

looks like we're in big trouble now, she's wrote a letter to her lawyer *gasp*  I managed to screen shoot her letter...

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/601/lettertoalawyerkn1.png

OMG does this mean I have to change my identity and hide out in a cave?

Waaa I missed the troll too  :(.

I would talk with it, but I can't stand reading "ppl" instead of "people". May somebody help pleeeeeeease?  :P

You are BAD, Sherrie  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

..I want that font.  Where did ya get it?

Funny letter.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she wrote it.

Also, I want that font as well...purty please?

That actually made me lol.

This thread is a great start to a weekend. I just wish the troll had put in a little bit more effort.

the font is called Brigitte, I found it here a while ago:

http://www.grsites.com/archive/fonts/

I've taken a look for the direct link and I cant find it again, so I'll have a look round as see if I can find it somewhere else.

Yeah. I wish more of them would have followed me. I mean, more is better.

try this (the font)

 http://www.savefile.com/files/714009

Thank you very much!

Thanks!

Hey stupid fuck, you are retarded beyond words. You think the fuckin' FBI gives a shit about this? They better not, or as a tax paying american I will be pissed, because the FBI has so much more to be worried about than the fucking Sims 2.  

Plus there is just one little problem with copyright laws. They only protect the people that have an actual copyright to the shit, which isn't your fucked up paysite bitch friends. EA/Maxis is the only one protected under any copyright laws as far as the sims is concerned.

WE pay for enough shit from EA and don't need to be charged up the ass for custom content. I would imagine that the point of creating custom content is for the fun of the game. So if I was a creator and was getting my proper kudos for my hard work, I wouldn't give a rat's ass if people file shared my shit. That's the whole point of custom content you dumb bitch. So please continue to sit back and not say shit because you know we are all right. Plus even if we are not all right, it doesn't seem like EA gives a shit either way. Oh and just so you know, the PMBD link has been floating around on the BBS the last couple of days, and none of the maxoids have pulled those posts. Where do you think I heard about this place?? :D  Seriously, you are retarded beyond words.


To the pirates on the forum, sorry I cuss like a sailor when I get mad, and I have been reading this and my blood just boils. This was the blow up. Sorry I will edit to remove the F bombs if necessary. I like the Fbomb when I am mad. :twisted:

Damn, I also missed the (rather boring) troll because I was asleep. Where is my insomnia when I need it?  Last night before I went to sleep I thought PMBD could use a new troll so we could point and laugh, but Samantha really let me down.

Overall I'll give you an F; please see me after class.

Thanks sherrie_sim!  I am not very computer bright.  Can you tell me where I should unzip the file, please?

Come on, she (it?) has this fine piece of legalese behind her

http://valdea.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=824

Frankly, whoever wrote the DMA EULA should probably be less concerned about us, and more concerned about themselves.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

OMG. Haha. I read that too and I was thinking the same thing... THEY should be careful.

These paysite clowns should be less worried about the FBI hunting down Pescado, and more worried about the IRS looking into their online paysite income that I am sure  :roll:   they reported on their income tax as 'income'.

Now  that would be something I would like to see;
especially with some of these larger sites making thousands of dollars.

I'm so crazy that if I was in USA (or where ever in Asia are they) I'd totally report Peggy and Rose (example) for IRS. Damn it. Someone do it!! Maybe there's a reward!  :twisted:

Isn't threatening to hack a site illegal as well?  How is one illegal act "less bad" than another?  They removed it, but I got a screenshot. :D

their are oly doin it for teh chilluns !!11!1eleven

Lol i go to bed, and its now at page 11.

Shame the Troll left too early before taking the chance to read all that I wrote.

As I said, where i live, this stuff could easily be taken to court and won (if you manage to find any Australian pay sites!) as our government really dont like people earning money without paying tax ;o

windows/fonts  :D

For some reason I couldn't just unzip it to the fonts folder.
I had to unzip it to somewhere else then move it to the fonts folder.

yes thats what I do with most files, I drag them out of the zip on to desk top and then drop them into the target folder

More fonts:

dafont.com

grsites.com/archives/fonts

Happy fonting!

Getting fonts nowadays isn't like what it was in the olden days where it was almost all free.. *sniff*

ETA:  I lurve the pea fonts..
http://www.kevinandamanda.com/scrapbook/fonts/fontsforpeas/

BT=friend

http://btmon.com/torrent-Applications-Other-0/fonts

cept you can't preview them, and end up with a totally bloated folder full of 100,000 fonts that look similiar.

Egh, no preview would drive me mad Doursim.

Back to the topic-  Even ignoring paysites not paying taxes you also have the problem of those that call them "donations".. You're certainly not donating to a charity organization!  Gaiaonline.com had to stop calling their pay system donations a while back.  It got to the point of "cease and desist or your ass will be fried."

For a citizen in the states, how much money can you be "gifted" before it's taxed?  Isn't it like $1,000 or something a year?

For those that don't hide under the guise of donations, are they reporting how much they earn from their sites on taxes?  I know my dad has to report it if his business makes over $200 that year.

What are the donation/tax laws around the world?  Can Peggy/Rose and the like be reported to their countries' governments?

I'm seriously considering contacting my representatives in Congress over this.  It's just part of a bigger problem.. people avoiding taxes and trying to sell shit that isn't theirs to begin with.

I'm still trying to figure out what they(all paysites) are  actually attempting to copyright and how they intend to enforce it. I realize all this will be lost as our troll has flown the coupe, maybe they need to read the actual US copyright office web site.
 




It is the "dirty hands" clause. One is not more guilty than the other and usually in cases where there are "dirty hands" on both sides, judges throw the cases out. OR give damages to both side equal to the other where they cancel each out.

In other words, the only ones that profit in a dirty hands case are the attorneys.


*No, I am not an attorney, but I did study to be one. :lol:

Sadly I did not finish. :cry:  

I believe you are able to claim a once in a lifetime gift of $100,000 (worth) in the states without it being taxed.  And it has to be all at once, not accumulating, as to the money you get as presents per year, dunno how that works out....:P

I need to go read my tax laws again.:lol:

We were only able to gain $10,000.00 tax free as a gift and it had to be from a relative. BUT, yes it was a one time gift and we had to have received it all at once. What they are getting is much like an employee would get from an employer and those are subject to income tax. Maybe I need to claim my husband's salary for the next 50 years as part of the 100,000 tax exempt "gift."  Think it will work? :lol:

whoops too many zeros ;)

Damn, I thought you knew something I didn't!  :lol:


I still wonder though if i can claim my hubby's income as a "gift."  :D

Well,right now in the US Congress, there's a bill being talked about that would allow the IRS to bully online auction houses, sites like the paysites,small businesses , anything that conducts transactions and makes money online, into giving up their customer's info for tax purposes, as well as crack down on sites that are making "tax-free" income.The biggest concern from all of this is new ways for Identity Theft, and also small businesses that can't afford to go tracking down all their customer's info.

I can only tell about Finnish laws (well I can look it in) but I don't think those two are from Finland.  :?

*staggers in and randomly smacks fellow pirates on the head*

I'm disappointed in all of you! You dirty pirates of the long, reasonable and articulated speeches!! You have scared the fluffly cutie puppy troll away!!! Next time let's stick to one-liner pointing and laughing posts, arr?
:mrgreen:

*rubs head and glares*
I never ever said that I was reasonable... and trolls are assholes.... and flaming them can be fun, specially when they burn with such pretty, pretty flames.... little fuckers are annoying, but they turn to cinders so prettily before they make an ash of themselves....

*shuffles feet* sorry for the articulate arguments.  We will stop, and be more like our landlubbing cousins, and claim chilluns.

Cool avi by the way.

Besides, the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction here in Malaysia, anyway.

My life's complete, I get to stand in a same topic with Pescado.

But I like big words...they are shiny and sparkle nicer then Jewels

Im not good with the little words unless im fighting with my fiance, where it mainly consists of "Bite me?" or "Whatever"

I cant tell you how many times I've heard people use the FBI for an excuse for trying to "win an argument"

Especially when they are (sometimes?) smart enough to realize that the person they are threatening cannot be touched by the FBI lal.

I think the only time that the FBI were involved here in Australia, was when some bad people were looking at pictures they should not be looking at.

And to be honest, would the FBI really give a damn about a bunch of tax avoiding, law breaking paysites who obviously have more questions to answer then you can fill into those horrible little form boxes you get? (Not seriously ofc)

EXAMPLE:

Please answer why you screw over people for money:

________________________

their answer:

_i liek moneyz____________

or something

Aw, s'okay. Articulate arguments make trolls' head 'splode. We can assume that in order to avoid that, Nina's pet didn't even bother to read past the second line of posts that were calmly replying to her stupid shit, and eventually ran off. Let's hope she's busy upgrading herself to a smarter version and will soon kick back in for more fun :D

Pes, I would have brought up Malaysia as a second point if she had ever come back to answer what in the world they were copyrighting in the first place. Sad thing is here in the US people think they can threaten the FBI or Copyright law to anyone they want to "scare" into doing what they want. Much like they do the DMCA to other forums I am part of, which acts as an addendum to the US copyright act of 1976.


Pirate Gem what I think most of these trolls, paysite owners, "we do it for the chillun" people don't understand is that each country has their own laws and enforcement of such laws, and one countries laws can't usurp the other. In addition for the US, we have to be dealing with a country that we have enforcement agreements with in order to do anything. Malaysia and I believe Russia (and former soviet block countries) and most of the Asiatic countries are ones we don't have such an arrangement with. "We" (meaning the US FBI and law enforcement) in any case, even if we have an agreement, can only request from the country the person is in and the site is operated from, to do something about it. It is always up to that other country to actually go knock on that door. If they have no laws against what someone is doing, then the FBI is SOL.  (I love acronyms. :lol: )


 The US copyright law in its pure form as adapted in 1976 does not allow for digital media in the way the Internet has brought it to people all over the world. The closest thing in the copyright act that could even loosely pertain to Sims2 created files is maybe the "art" clause in which case once it is put out "for hire" the "owner/purchaser" becomes the copyright holder, or the "intellectual property" clause in which case it must be an original piece of work (and we all know that having an original piece of work in Sims is rare because Maxis/EA created most, if not all of the meshes people modify to get the objects.). Copyright law is not what they should site, the DMCA is what they should site, but even that only loosely pertains to what they are doing and is still not enforceable in countries we have no agreement with.  


HideTheRum, I shall refrain from articulation from now on until all have had a chance to have fun with the cute little furry trolls.     :lol:

Just to get more off-topic....
I've seen quite a few pictures of items of questionable origin (bootleg DVDs and fireworks come to mind) that have WoW promotional artwork on them, even though the actual product has nothing to do with WoW. Blizzard (the company that runs WoW) does have a legal team that has sent people cease-and-desist orders for much less, and been known to sue, but short of nuking China I don't think they can stop every misuse of their work.

EA, on the other hand, is just lazy.

I don't think it's laziness so much as that there is no real benefit to them taking a side. One of the reasons that the Sims is so popular is because it allows user created content. People like it because to a certain extent they can shape the game as they see fit. While they can bring their lawyers down on paysites (and trust me, I'm sure EA's legal team is just as lawsuit heavy as Blizzard's), it serves no useful purpose to take a side and alienate customers.
You still have to buy the game to use paysites' products, and according to EA, technically anything made for in game use belongs to them and they can use and take it as they see fit (thinking of the stuff packs, I'm sure we've all seen some very familiar content in those, yes?).

But what do Blizzard gain from suing people who sell stuff with an orc's face on it? It's just free publicity. Sure, people are making money off of their artwork, but aren't paysite owners doing the same thing?

The items mentioned above do not require any Blizzard products or programs to function. I'll show the quote so that you know what I'm referring to:


These products make money by using Blizzard's materials without having anything to do with them. Blizzard makes money selling merchandise related to their product (Warcraft, etc.), and it's hard to sell your Orc t-shirts if some shifty idiot is already doing it before you. While these products may bring new players into playing Warcraft games, it also cuts down any outside profits they may want to make. Plus in this case if you don't protect your copyrights, you stand to lose them and any profits you may make from them.

How is this different from Paysites, you ask? While, EA is likely losing some profits from paysites, they are also increasing their fanbase because paysite products require users to already own the Sims to use them. Plus at any time, EA can scoop up paysite (and freesite) materials and sell them themselves (cough, stuff packs, cough, cough). Paysites have large fanbases (unfortunately) that keep their buyers playing the Sims, and buying connected EA produced products. For example, Peggy Sims has a very large, devoted fanbase, how would these consumers react if all of a sudden EA brought the hammer down on them? It would only add to nightmares for and bad feelings towards EA, hardly something that they would like.

Ea also allows distribution of these materials non-commercially. While paysites are obviously ignoring the free part of this rule, they are still creating items that EA has given them permission to share. I'm sure EA's reaction  would be different if paysites were creating products using EA logos and slogans that they hadn't referred to as transfereable in their EULA (like t-shirts, mugs, fireworks, bootleg Sims dvds). At the moment, paysites don't really hit EA in the bank (EA creates their own custom content that consumers happily lap up), and it's better to keep both sides happy and buying their product.

One little part of me has always wondered if EA's reason for bringing out stuff packs is their own hidden way of competiting with paysites.

If you think about it, the more stuff they make you whack into your computer, the less you can download or it might conflict with your game, or cause your PC considerable amounts of lag (if you dont have a very very up to date one- heck my PC is 2 months old, and The Sims2  lags like CRAZY when I have a heap of CC on a lot, so i've cut my CC minimum to 100 files, thats spread accross all cept clothes)

My husband has kindly offered to start up a paysite and come here so we can have a new troll to play with....

....it's ok I poisoned his coffee

Silly husband.
It should be a paysite with Atwa...  :wink: