PMBD

Since when have greedy paysites who create (or steal) solely to make money been reguarded as part of the community? a community is a group of people who help each other, not a group of business who con pocket money out of children for stolen property.  it's now evident that paysites are feeling  alienated from the real community so have decided to make a 'community' of their own.  This can only mean one thing, business is bad! (laughs hysterically)

They think if they can fling a few free gifts out in the name of advertising people will fling back money in return. Deparate measures for worried paysites me thinks.

http://www.thesimsresource.com/artists/simscom/blog/

Their listed desparate paysites are:

Exnem Sims, TSR, StudioB43, Sims Connection, Reflexsims,Beosboxboy, Retail Sims, Komosims, Besens Sims, Murano Mobilia, Sims2 Workshop, Nengi65

Love their little introduction that basically said, "The sims community is supposed to about fluff, bunnies, and love!  It is those damn pirates that have ruined everything!  Ignore us ripping you off and be our FRIENDS.  Please, be our friends."

It's desperate btw. :)

Oh, and, what the fuck is up with these bad recolors including in their offerings?  Is this supposed to be a joke?

(http://isc.thesimsresource.com/images/486/486304.jpg)

ETA:  Well, I looked through it all and it's all the same quality as the picture above.  I have to say, if this is their peace offering to the community, it's pretty damn bad and shouldn't be accepted.  They need to be sent to the corner and think about what they did.

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l13/hodgesdivine/cute1-1.jpg)

well....some people will be quite satisfied by it. Meanwhile, we'll continue to share their pay items.


I wonder if any of the sites have done an analysis of how much money they've supposedly lost since we opened our doors....

oh myyy ...
.... yeah i've already seen this. question is, why did besens sims participate in this alliance of desperate paysites? they aren't a paysite at all, or did i miss somthing....!?  :?

I agree, Missangelica - most of the stuff is crap.  I did like some of the paintings and some of the rugs, but when you try to download the items indivudually, you don't know which one you'd get because they just show the picture of the whole set instead of one picture for each rug or painting.  :roll:

I'm not buying into this whole community thing for a few reasons:

1.  How many creators were actually asked to participate?  The only people I see as participants belong to the same clique.  Therefore, the whole community isn't represented.

2.  As mentioned by Missangelica, most of the items are crap.  If they really want to make concessions to the community, why not put out better stuff.  Or even better, why won't the paysites make everything free for one day if they truly want to show community spirit?   :lol:

3.  Paysites had started the whole "us-them" thing in TS1.  There were divisions even back then because of them (I'll be more than happy to hunt down the old threads on TSR to prove this point :P  ).

4.  Maybe it's just me, but something seems to be really phony about all of this.  It's just a feeling I get.

I agree with Sherrie that subscriptions are probably way down, and sites like this one and SFV have made a huge negative impact on paysites.  Now, they're just trying to get what reputation they can get back.  Notice how most of the creators have caused a lot of drama and other B.S. over the last few months?  The only one out of that group that is decent is Besen - at least that's what I heard, anyway.

And again, they're doing the whole "us-them" thing again, except this time  it seems like they're trying to make this site and us pirates look petty, mean and bad.  They probably know we're going to say something, and they can point to their friends and say "See!  We tried to work as a community but those meanies are still making fun of us!  WAAAH! :cry: "

It is not this site which causes a divide in the community - it is you, darling Thomas.



You ban members on your site purely because you suspect that they are sharing files. You work against people, and cause conflict with people.

 

Why not make all of your downloads free? That way everyone can have access to them and enjoy them



Right motive behind the idea LyricLee, but TSR would never make it good. They just use ideas/creators/downloads for their own greedy means   :roll:

By banning their members they lose paying customers. The more people they ban, the less money they get. Plus, by banning them because of filesharing, they make filesharing poular to those, that did not fileshare before and were banned for nothing.
So people banned think: How do I get my stuff from TSR now? And then they remember TSR mentioned filesharing in the banning email. These people go and google and Peng - They are here or at SFV  :D
And then they think. Hey, why donate to Birgit or Peggy. PMBD is much cheaper. And then, they donate for no site.

And the end of the story?

The more they ban, the more member we are here!  :lol:
And then they have to throw out ugly creations to the people cause the loss of paying customers make them desperate.  8)

Yep, they pretty much dig their own grave  :roll:

That's true.  It wasn't MATY, PMBD, or SFV who shared personal Paypal information about others.  LyricLee (who's part of this project) set the forum up and Thomas and other paysite parasites did all the sharing.  I wonder how many non-filesharers had their personal information shared and how many were banned just for being suspected by Thomas and others.



I question LyricLee's motives too.  First she was an admin on the biggest free site in the community and then she went over to a paysite after her firing, and she's such a staunch defender of paysites.  I heard she was backstabber.  I don't know how true that is, but if it is true then maybe she's trying to cozy up to Thomas in the hopes that someday he'll make her an FA.

Look out, Atwa!  Somebody else may be competing for "Little Tom's" attentions.  :lol:

Edited because of miswording something

I really have nothing to say, I just wanted my name in this thread.

*****MizzKitty has been here*****

(Of course I agree, but everything has already been said)

I still gotta work on getting banned on a paysite...

TSR will never be part of the 'community' while they charge the real community for files stolen from the community and from maxis/EA. in the same way any other common thief would not be reguarded as a community hero for reselling his stolen loot.

Paysite's cannot justify how PMBD and SFV are causing a divade in the community, when they are simply making files belonging to the comunity available for free.

How can TSR be against our LEGAL file sharing when I was sent a download link for an ILLEGAL copy of PSP9 from their own staff (artist manager atwa) the link was sent over their own PM system at TSR. it seems that illegal file sharing is ok with them as long as it helps bring in more creations they can charge for. TSR can never, ever, accuse anyone of file sharing when they do it themselves. you also have to ask yourselves where TSR staff member Atwa gets her donation peggy hair from when she is not a donator to peggy?

This latest desparate measure is not in anyway designed for 'community spirit' its an advertising stunt, nothing more, nothing less. its like any other other business or store that offer free gifts to prospective customers to entise them, the only difference is most other business's that do this, are actually selling legal products.

Hmm yeah you can look at it from 2 ways:

Firstly, Lyric is just trying to promote paysites and make them look all good and merry. Which will cause a bigger divide within the simming communities as some sheep will go that way and decide that us are just trying to break apart the community, causes fights, etc.

However, if this was on a free site it would be great - as it would bring together the community. But as we all know TSR aint free and wont ever be

To be honest although it is being used to promote paysites and paying for donations, Lyric's motive behind it (bringing the community together) is good....  I know she's been a real bitch in the past, but I wish she hadn't gone down the paysite route...

There was just something EXACTLY like this at Twisted Sims (just ended).  Except it was a real community thing... you know.. where anyone was invited, and they actually asked sites to participate... and no one had to join anything to download...

Well sorry, but the likes of TSR, Exnem sims, and all those others are not about sharing, they are about selling. They where created with money in mind. True sharing is from anyone who makes and gives out quality stuff for free, and not just  sells it. Then it's a product or a service. So all of this is bull.

Yes - the assertion of "community" makes me sooo angry.  There is no fucking community with McDonalds or Kelloggs, and there is no fucking community with TSR.  Get over it paysites.

That's fantastic and a true sign of community spirit!  Did any of the participants at this community project at TSR take part in it?  I wonder if someone should comment on that in Thomas' announcement thingy. :twisted:



That's easy!  :lol:   Go on TSR and ask for free stuff in the FAs' guestbooks.  :twisted:

Tosh!  Obviously you have to do the opposite--i.e. make everything PAY for a day.  Then we'll see who is faithful to the Sims and who isn't, and that'll prove how much we need these paysites in our lives in order to maintain a balance in the universe.  I mean, really.  Heather wouldn't lie to me about that--there is nothing wrong or foolish about that plan.

...

Or something.

So yeah, this has LyricLee stink all over it.  

She also has weezled her way into becoming an op in the antisocial chat room.  I don't know how she did that but it was in the last couple of months.  That woman with op powers is as bad as a drunk with car keys.  When she crashes she'll get out alive and she doesn't care about the carnage she produces.

That LyricLee sure gets around.  She's become an admin at Carrigon's old site now, too.  Trust her to be at the bottom of this TSR project  :roll:

I wasn't surprised either for some reason.  What I am shocked at is that she's an admin on another site besides Exnem's.  :shock:  



She's an op in TSR's chatroom? :shock: How in the world did she manage that, and what is she like in there?  I've never been inside TSR's chatroom - I heard that it was real cliquey.

"Antisocial" was made by regulars of the "social" room on mts2 chat after social was closed down by Delphy.   It's not affiliated with TSR.

Whoops.  :oops:

Why did Delphy close down the chatroom?  I never went in there either, but there were a lot of people who used to love going in there.

Well, what it boiled down to was the ops were forced to babysit the chatroom instead of the room policing itself.  It became a job for them that they weren't getting paid for.  The bad apples (and there were new ones every day) ruined it for everyone.

I thought Nengi65 retired? Does this mean that she took her toys off of MTS2 and  closed her free site down so she could join a paysite?

That's how it always goes, unfortunately.  Thanks for explaining it to me, btw.  :)



That's a good question, and I was surprised to see her name up there too.  I don't think she joined TSR, I think she just wanted to follow Lyric into this project.  Either that, or Nengi was talked out of retirement for at least a short time.  I don't know.

This whole idea might work if a forced lobotomy happened with every download.

Ah Heather!  The voice of reason in the Sims community. Yes, we should all follow her lead.



True.  :lol:

But you know what?  There will always be sheep who will look at this "community" project and think that TSR is a god who generously doles out free gifts for the peasants.  Then there are the fence-sitters who might get taken in by all this without questioning the motives behind this project.  :roll:

correct!.....and then there is also the FA wannabe's who would post their undying thanks and gratitude even if Thomas personally went round to their house and shit on their head.

Oh, that's true!  Thomas could flaunt all the new talent he's bringing in from the outside, and the SA's would still post nice things and smile through it all.  It's like they want to be FA's so bad that they're willing to take any kind of abuse from him as long as there's still hope that they'll be next.

I'm glad you got out of there and that PutanginaMo is making her own site too.  :D

Ya know, as soon as I saw that whole thing over at TSR today, my initial reaction was, you've got to be kidding me.  Then I read the bit from Thomas and the big, special mention of LyricLee and thought, drama whore, 24/7 without end.  Christ, her hands are in everything.  And then I read the blog bits, and just thought eeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww.  The whole damn thing was just smarmy.  Made me feel dirty.  And greasy.  And nauseous, which really sucks since I'll be leaving to see Spiderman 3 shortly, and I feel like I'm going to toss my cookies.  Seems to me, all those thinly veiled accusations about the "community" being torn apart, just makes the divide that much wider.  Anyway, I think the whole thing is somehow grotesque.  If they were so concerned about the "community" and all the "drama, theft and hatred" then they would cease to be paysites, thereby ending the theft (that they, themselves are soley guilty of), and stop stirring up all the drama and hatred they so enjoy spewing, every chance they get.  This is, quite simply, more drama.  Friends, my ass.
Afterwards, I quickly signed in here, cause I just knew there would be a thread in progress  :D

That's just stupid... making a project with invite-only people does NOT represent a community, and to suggest so is just plain dumb.

Aside from that, some of the downloads available are things I would NOT want to curse my game with.  Seriously... who in the world would want to download things such as these?
http://www.thesimsresource.com/artists/simscom/downloads/sims2/sets/486736/
Maybe it's just me, but both of those sims seem so... ugly.  They could compare with Goopy Gilscarbo.

Administrate???? I hate it when people make up words in order to sound "professional." gah. :x

"Administrate" is a real word, but it's being used pompously here. "Direct" or "manage" would have been better; even better would have been a rewording: Thanks to LL for putting the collection together.

But then, I don't need to sund mroe important than I am.


___

Seems to me that a true community project would be something like us saying "hey, anyone here who wants to can contribute to a big set we want to produce. Here's our theme, and send your creations to this person." THAT's community building.

Administrate is a word.
It's not used properly, but it is a word.

ETA: Okay. Someone beat me to it.

Anyways. This whole idea seems like a stupid waste of time to me.
It won't change anyones opinions.
And the only thing they're gonna get out of it is more ass kissing from the people who have been kissing their asses all along.
The people who didn't like these pay-sites before are going to like them even less now.
So nothing has really changed.

Administrate might have been just about (wrongly) used often enough to be in the dictionary now, but it's *meant* to be "administer"

I think it was suppose to be administrating.

I don't like that spring hat thing.
It would have been better if the hat was an accessory instead of a hairstyle.

what a load of shit!  It's horrible!  If you wanna look at community projects that are amazing see the ones that have been done at MTS2 (and twisted sims as mentioned, was the first i heard of them).  People there are doing quality projects, whereas this one looked like they took about 4 days max to do this all.....

I'm with you Inge. What we have here is a classic case of what I call Americanizationing. It seems that while they find it necessary to leave letters out of certain words (eg colour, neighbour), some English words don't have enough letters for them. It won't be much longer until the English are accused of not being able to speak English, although that has probably already happened.

Cap'n F, I could write my OWN version of Eats, Shoots, and Leaves highlighting the mis-steps taken in the name of language in corporate America.

Among my biggest pet peeves:

Using nouns as verbs: timeline a project, task you with a job, etc.

Adding syllables: orientate v. orient, administrate v. administer, etc.

Using passive sentence structure and nominalization: The process required orchestration by me and my team. versus My team and I orchestrated the process.


But I digress. Americans make the mistake of mistaking big words for intelligence and importance, when in fact, concision and clarity are more highly prized. It's too bad...many a writing teacher (myself included) has spent HOURS breaking writers of these awful habits.

all I am gonna say is thats some fugly shit!!

I know it's not all Americans but unfortunately it doesn't need all of them. One look at the present incumbent is enough to prove that. Once critical mass is reached those that know better will be forced to submit so they can be understood. Once that happens the rest of the world will be forced to follow.

Yes, Americans are the cause of all the world's problems.  We talk wrong, spell wrong, pollute the earth..  Feel free to spit at us if you happen to spot us in your part of the earth.

Uhhhh... I find this whole discussion slightly intimidating. I actually try to write British (in spite of using words like "cuz") but it's very hard for me as an outsider, because I get everything mixed up and it becomes a weird jumble.  :cry:

I would think that anyone across the globe would make that assumption.  When we covered Orwell and his "Politics and the English Language", I was probably the only one who liked it.  I don't think there's anything wrong with using vocabulary that matches the topic at hand--you can't always explain complicated, involved things that require prior knowledge in simple terms.

I called someone a bigot the other day for whatever nonsense he was spouting about gays; he told me not to use big words I didn't know the meaning of and to stop showing off.  I guess I could've used words he understood and called him a whore.  But that would put him on the same level as me, since he calls me a whore almost every day.  :roll:

Verbing your nouns is bad.  But it's so okay if I do so because I'm an American and it's going to be my fault regardless of what I do, so why should I bother?

ETA: Better add always wrong to always at fault.  :wink:

I make up words all the time.  I see nothing wrong with it :)  My husband once decided to make up a word for "walking around with only socks on"  = edschnobeldegoop.  Mine are more simple, like woggly,  "something that has been hit by a hand and is unsteadily rocking back and forth" etc.

The beauty about vocabulary is that there is always room for more, because a word would not exist if there wasn't a slight difference between it and it's synonyms. :)

Speaking of making up words, we have a big long list at school of words we've invented and their respective meanings. We're compiling a list so that somebody can walk into the Houses of Parliament (or wherever it is) and read out the names. If it is said there, it must therefore be a word and new words are born! (If it is the HoP, I wish I'd taken the list with me when I was there last month. ^^)

As for TSR's news, it doesn't surprise me at all. They're forever trying to disguise the fact they're evil.

Holy crapola. That stuff doesn't even look like I can even consider it half-assed. Maybe quater-assed? Then again I can't create meshes or nice recolors, so, I probably have little right to say that, though I am comparing it to other team projects I have seen in the past.

This is an obviously bad way to advertise. Before I was aware of the EULA and this site I still would have the same opinion of it. At least I know I can and have made way better sims than those two sims, pretty and not-so-pretty. :P

Just because you can't create doesn't mean you don't know crap when you see it.
I'm not a hair stylist either, but I have every right to point and laugh at the idiot with the comb-over.

Jeebus look at how many times they put the word 'FRIENDS' all over the fucking 'about me' page. It's like the paysite posse is trying to brainwash a downloader into their twisted way of thinking.

Idiot: "Oh lets go pay for stupid shit because TSR and Co. says Its the friendly community way! I want to download recolors that make me stab my eyes with a knife, worship bloated yet gappy bad hairdos, and condone cut n'paste walls that make our brains bleed -- why? Why because we are all FRIENDS!"

Yeah I can see it now... the rise of stupid escalating.

Not all SA's are chomping at the bit for the promotion to FA.  I could name two right off the top of my head who wouldn't want it, were it offered.  I'm sure they aren't the only ones either.

Anyone who thinks SA is an automatic ticket to FA is just stupid.  SA has become almost this blanket award used to consol folks who feel the world is being mean to them.  "Whaa! Everyone on TSR torments me!"  "You poor child, let's make you an SA.  Feel better now?  Good.  Now create your little things and shut up."

Sadly, it works.

Yes, because Bush clearly represents enough of us that the English language will be forever tainted. Especially since it hasn't undergone any changes prior to now, right? Let us all bask in the superior intellect exuding from your post.

true, true.  :lol:

AnneBonny is right. They really are going for overkill in using the friendship thing.
However, I find it amusing that while they claim this community is all about friendship, they still insist on charging all their 'friends' for their crappy content.

It would have looked a little more genuine if they didn't just copy and paste the same "friendly" message verbatim on both TSR and Retail Sim.

What I find amusing is the fact that the comments are off on each and every one of their "offerings".

Ahem... A bit off-topic, but... can I sig you, missangelica? *fangirls*
WHEEEE IGNORANT STEREOTYPES!

I (Canadian) could use some of that retraining. I'm good RIGHT until I have something important to say, then a switch flips in my head and I sound like a jackass.

Sadface.

That said, administrate is pretty normal around here. But... for talking about office stuff. Not 'please trust us and give us your money!' internet projects.

Sure, Silvercoin. o.o

ETA:  My favorite non-word is falangle.  Mmm, falangle.

I agree. As a fellow American I can say that we do use words just to sound important. I know I do. :lol:

Also if we are throwing stones then I want to volunteer to throw the first stone. So Missangelica if you will let me throw a stone at you'll I'll let you throw a stone at me next :) Only no really big rocks. I bruise easy.

Hmm, I don't have any rocks..  How about being pelted with hamster food for a while?   :lol:

Wtf are you talking about?  Stop using big words!  You aren't speshel!

Sigh.  This thread is far too hard for my wee mind.

A classic case of Thom-ass laughing all the way to the bank (and yes that's really him!)



(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5025/thomasbankfl7.png)

And apparently at the other sites as well since both Besen's Sims2 (http://www.besens-sims2.de/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=117) and Exnem's Sims (http://exnemsims.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1848) have the same generic message plastered there.


sherrie_sim- now that is an amusing picture.

I don't get the friendship thing. Since when has the Sims community been friendly, exactly? We're always hovering a drama-level between "impotent whining" and "CAPS LOCK OF RAGE."

My point was that it doesn't take even a simple majority to screw things up for everyone else.
Sorry for being brief and as a result unclear in my meaning. America is not the only source of changing the English language, but I think it has the largest effect.

I wonder if the Sims community is like that because we spend so much time immersed in a world where people whine every time someone goes to the toilet and only have to step over a baby's feeding bottle in order to launch into a full scale fit of arm-waving stomping fury.

It's one thing that academics have bloody competitions over.  Rather than use a series of complicated words, they invent a new one.  I was at a conference, and an academic was talking about how he invented the word "defluxion" (to mean that criminological ideas trickle down from attitudes of government through to the people) and then compared it with another invented word by another academic.

I think this "community" project shows exactly how much of a psychological along with financial impact the pirates are having on paysites.  This would never have been done if PMBD did not exist and if this site hasn't gotten more and more well known around the community. It is a direct response to you and your efforts.  I never even knew half the stuff that I know now until I read the "Why do people hate paysites" thread on S2C.  That for me, was when piracy on the sea of paysites went from one small boat to a fleet.  No matter how many threads are deleted, people are banned or moderators try to ignore you, the fact remains that this place is having an effect.

Well I think the owners of TSR must be a bit out of touch if they think announcing that LyricLee had a major role in the project was going to put a positive spin on it.  They would have done better to use Windkeeper's name as the figurehead, or someone like that.

it seems they are confusing the word 'community' with the word 'clique'
everytime i see something like this nonesense i hear a faint buzzing noise in my head. i probably should get that checked out

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and in response to the whole language thing i give you an acctual conversation i had with my next-door neighbor,tim

me: so the house across the sstreet sold then?
tim: yeah, nice couple but they are russian and don't speak American very well
me:.....you mean English
tim:*puzzled look* nope
 :o

Well, Thomas gets his info about the sims community through Atwa and I think Atwa and Lyric were destined for each other, so it is self-evident that either of them would be the figurehead of this project

Since Lyric is marginally more talented than Atwa, she's the one who was chosen. (Well, at least her recolours do not look like they were made out of cheese.)

And Windkeeper has gone AWOL, so...

Has anyone posted the blog from the community project minisite yet?..



After reading that there is only one thought in my head: why not be free then?  :roll:

Wow, that was an overly long way to go 'bitch! Gimme my money!'

I just re-read that text, and it seems so...forced. As though they have to say, several times and in several ways, 'we're friends' so that they can convince themselves as much as they want to convince us.

Pathetic.

If I did a project like that, I'd say "look, we made these cool things. We're all bastards and axe murderers, but we have fun creating stuff for TS2, so have at it."

My dad always said 'honesty is the best policy'.......

It reminds me of a scene from Moral Orel.  The father is sitting in his study with the fireplace lit and filling the room with a warm glow.  It's clear that he is inebriated and has been sitting there for some time.

"Hate her."  (In reference to his wife.)
Takes a shot.
"Hate her."
Takes a shot.
"Hate her."
Takes a shot.
"Tol--hate her."
Takes a shot.
"Tolerate her."  (said with a frown)
Takes a shot.
"Tolerate her!" (with a smile)

?

!

ROFFLE!

"The dark times"? "The dark times"?!

Are these people on crack?

Also: the day most of those folks relinquish drama and control is the day they have nothing to live for.  They create most of the drama in the Sims2 community by, first of all, having no clue what a real "community" is like.

Oh man. "The dark times". ROTFLMAO That's like a clueless wanna-Wiccan talking about "the burning times". Oh, they are so persecuted, all because more and more people are sick of paying them for crap that they should not be selling in the first place.

"Weh, weh, weh, people disapprove of our illegal profit-mongering schemes. Whatever shall we do? I know! Let's band together and throw the peasantry a few crumbs of poo, just to show them all how loving and giving we all are, and once they have warm, fuzzy feelings for us, it's back to raping them all in the wallets without lube! Huzzah, we are brilliant!"

They can bite my ass, once I find it. I laughed it off a few moments ago, after all. It probably rolled under the couch.

yeah, you know, the dark times....

...a time when the filesharing masses invaded the poor little paysites, insisting that they renounce their ways or be burned at the stake. Historians estimate between 30,000 and 300,000 paysites were burned, er, destroyed...and now, there's a revival, and small pockets of paysites are popping up all over, claiming the ancient ways for their own...singing 'kumbayah' and holding hands around the campfire...

ROFL....ack! I can't ...too...ridiculous....


Sorry. I sustained it as long as I could.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

From the Pirates of the Caribbean board game:

"Dark times have fallen over the high seas. In uncharted waters, there is no law, there is no government and there is no place to hide. It's every pirate for themselves in an exciting search for the fabled hidden treasures. "

Seems oddly appropriate with the pirates and searching and all.

I asked Carrigon why anyone would be stupid enough to give Lyric admin again at any site.  She said once she left S2W, she was taken off admin, so she had no control over what VampCat did after she left.  She told me she hates Lyric and has no idea why VampCat would deliberately try to ruin the site further by adding her.  

It's become a dead site anyway.  So who cares.  I don't understand how Lyric gets around the community so much when everyone hates her.

Because she's infamous? She's a name everyone's heard of so people will be in awe because it's a famous name (much in the way people are awed at coming here or MATY). It doesn't matter if the person in question is rude, an idiot, a bigot, or whatever. It's like wanting to take your photo with a celebrity--"I don't care who they are but I look cool cuz I've got a photo w/ them."

I don't hate her at all. She has done some things I totally disagree with, and she's on the other side of the paysite battle, but come on. She's not a horrible human being. She's made some big (I mean really big, with the sharing of personal information bit) mistakes, but is it really necessary to hunt her down wherever she goes? She was already fired from MTS2, can't we leave it at that?

Geesh.

Er... in this case it's actually relevant?

Sorry, sorry. Go back to your chastising.

Erm, not a horrible human being lieg?  Skim through the Lyric thread on this site and I don't know how you'd be able to say that again with a straight face.  X_x

She may of been fired from MtS2 but she's got her hands dipped in multiple sites now so she's an even bigger problem than before.  

• Exnem's site
• Carrigon's old site that she shared with VampCat
• involved in this TSR project
• somehow an OP in another chatroom
• I think she's still involved with S2C too.

And these are the ones I know about without even trying to know what's she's up to so she's not being hunted down.  She has interjected herself into these places to our dismay and horror.  

I'm sure most of us would happily burn her from our memories if we could.  

She just won't go away! (like me ;p)

I think it's creepy that Lyric is just burrowing her way all around the community like some computer worm.  Alot of us would be a whole lot happier if she just disappeared.

I know all the lyric details, I was here when they went down, unlike most people posting about how bad it was. And yeah, not a horrible person. This is a game. This is an internet community. I guess I'm tired of being petty. But sure, go ahead and hate her. I've actually spoken to her though, and I know she's actually a real person who made some really bad mistakes.

Or maybe I'm just tired of hearing about all the same old crap. Wait till she does something new, don't just keep dredging up the same tired shit.

I could almost buy the "bad mistakes" thing if we were talking about only one or two "bad mistakes", but we're talking about probably hundreds of people she has hurt.  And it was done deliberately and cruely.  She is a power abuser that doesn't belong in charge of a goldfish bowl let alone admin on any site.  You can defend her all you want to, but some of us have the battlescars from her abuse.  And it's real easy to defend her if you aren't one of them.

I've never really spoken to LL so can't say I have dealt with her before, but a lot of people say they have had bad problems with her but never actually say what she has done...what did she do?  :roll:

I can't remember all the details now, but I started to believe the negative things I heard about LL after I saw proof of one set of PM interactions with an MTS2 user while she was a moderator there.   It contained really quite shocking level of personal insult.   It was very shortly after that she ceased to work for Delphy.

That's exactly it.  All the damage she does, she does in PM's.  So most people never get to see the venom.  I've seen some of those PM's.  I've lost a few friends from the community because they were driven away by Lyric.  She was so nasty and abusive to them, they couldn't take it and left.  Some of that stuff bordered on being completely psychotic.  I think Lyric is completely unbalanced.  The PM's I saw, she was really nasty.  She told one of my friends that she had no talent and shouldn't bother going to any other sites with her work because it all sucked.  And her stuff was actually pretty good.  She was totally crushed and stopped making anything after that.  I think I've lost somewhere around six or eight friends in the same way all because of Lyric and her crap.  Lyric hides behind PM's, she wouldn't dare say some of that stuff in public.  Nearly everyone I've met has a war story about her and her psychosis.  I don't know if it's jealousy, insanity, or what, but there is something really wrong with Lyric.

to Lieg-First time in a while I'm nearly speechless.  

Just because you talked to the woman once doesn't mean much.. people can be nice every once in a while.  I personally have witnessed and been in the fray of her and her mania.

And this TSR "love paysites/let's be friends/filesharing is ruining our community" crapola by giving out crappy shit is new and Thomas even went as far as to say that she was responsible for the idea and execution of it.

It just really feels like we're talking about two different people here.  You do mean LyricLee, don't you?

Okay, I must refrain from posting while dead tired. That post came out almost incoherent and a little sharper than I intended.

What I mean was that yes, I was here when the shit went down. She did some really bad, nasty things like harass and eventually ban people because she personally didn't like them, allowed people to curry favour with her for unfair advantages at MTS2 and S2C, and by far the very worst of all shared the personal information about suspected filesharers with paysites and set up a hidden forum for that purpose. The first few of these things are lamentable, but not particularly remarkable, people do that shit all the time in online communities. She was fired from her position and that should have been that. The last one is totally unforgivable, I don't think she (or anyone who actively participated in the sharing of info) can be trusted again. That shit doesn't fly.

Some of the things she did weren't harmful at all, just rather amusing, like her coming here to condemn us then being caught by Pescado with her fingers in the booty. She scrambled, tried to make up a story to cover her ass, and failed miserably. In this case, she came out with egg on her face but not a whole lot more.

Now, I have spoken to Lyric several times. While I wouldn't say we regularly corresponded or were friends, I did converse with her pretty regularly. Before the shit hit the fan, I used to go to her directly to hear exactly what was going on when the rumour mill started.  By this, I personally think that she is a fairly normal person who let her position go to her head and things got vastly out of hand. She made some really, really stupid mistakes. The information sharing thing was more than appalling, it was borderline, if not actually, illegal.

Now, I am not advocating 'forgive and forget'. I just think that smacking her down with petty drama every time she shows her face just makes her look more and more like a victim to her supporters. Instead, I think holding off on the bitch-slappery until she makes another big mistake makes our position stronger. Why stoop to hounding someone when we can just wait? And if she really has reformed (slim chance, but still), why not leave her to it and hope that in time she will see the light?

You're right Angelica, this thing is new. It's silly and stupid, to be sure. I sure as hell hope it isn't fooling anyone. 'We give these gifts to you as friends!' sounds like the highest form of idiocy. It's like paying people off to say they like you. So lets make sure everyone sees what a ball of shit this thing is rather than fixating on Lyric being behind it.

*edit* And the post that started all of this off was me saying I don't hate Lyric. I don't. I haven't had sufficient cause personally to hate her, I reserve hate for those who have seriously earned it, otherwise it is too time consuming. I can't go around taking that kind of energy hating every person who makes an ass of themselves online. Also, she's human, and probably not a horrible person in her daily life. It's a strange thing how fast you can become someone different in an online community. However, for those of you that were personally harassed by Lyric, then I can understand the strong personal dislike or even hatred. In that case, she earned it. You have every right to hate her.

I kind of made that comment off the cuff anyway because someone made a remark about everyone hating her.

Hatred takes too many internal resources and time to be worth it.  Why hate when disdain is so much better?

Btw, have you hugged a hater today (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0oprKUtnZ0)?

The internet needs a safety disconnect feature when your alertness drops below a certain level.

I'll drink to that.  Pass the rum.

I don't think we've seen the last of Lyric's fouling.  Just a hunch.

*Waits for her to hang herself with her own rope*

I'll take some of that rum, please.

I had a pretty funny LyricLee-related moment awhile ago. Apparently, LyricLee Really Hates Delphy (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/crazy.txt). Even more than me, apparently.

LOL!!!   Smacks of honey-trap to me :)

Wow, WTF?  So LyricLee and this Medico person are forming an army to get MTS2 and S2C offline?  And I was just thinking today that I was going to take Lieg's POV over LL.  What stuff of Delphy's is the booty hosting?  AFAIK, everything he's ever done he's made for free.  And seriously, what happened to LL's new friendly, friend-filled community love?  

An army? I can't get over that.  It's like when we were in elementary and someone would make us mad and we'd gang up on them on the playground.  Way to take the highroad LyricLee.  And is Medico a member here?  Where's the drunken laughing smiley+???

Medico is probably Vampcat or Wintermute.  They're always up to some skullduggery.   It was one of them who implemented the buttocks trick when they were admin at VS (they confessed later).

They make life interesting :)

I don't know if that is real or not, but it was amusing as hell.

I actually laughed out loud, and I practically never do that with the stuff I read on the computer. :D

Oh how I rofloled at this! :mrgreen: Lo behold Delphy, here comes the riders of Apocalypse - Intelligence, Writing, Slander and That's So Far! :mrgreen:
You must have some funny reputation, Pescado, if they want you to lead Slander. 8)

There's actually a guy at S2C that uses the name Medico :/ It could still be one of them in disguise, I don't know...

That conversation made me laugh so loud my cat was startled and fell off the arm of the chair. Thanks for that, sir.

In that case maybe they did recruit a new comrade!  Oh the excitement of it all!

...  :shock:

These guys really needs to find some sort of hobby, I don't know... like chess, maybe. Just to keep them off other people's life.

ETA: thinking about armies, like the "Animals Army" at Insim... I may suggest Medico&friends to counterattack with a "Vegetals Army".
It sounds ok, I think. Medico may sign up for Broccoli Lieutenant, while LyricLee should be perfect as Lettuce Commander.

Oh, he did. He eventually stopped the nonsense after he realized how utterly STUPID it sounded.

Uh, that's just fucking weird.  :shock:

I expect this "army" thing to achieve absolutely nothing at all. Man, this is lame.

That Medico kid is planning to start a war at 15/12 (depends on how you see it)!
He is fucking out of his mind...  :lol:
*give me yer carrots, yarr* :D

I loved this bit the best



It's my first time of seeing Pescado actually not grasp the situation and be on top of it instantly with a witticism :lol:

Oh my fucking goddess! That's hilarious, made even more amusing by Pescado's words of insightly wisdom. 15 indeed. Even I've accepted the fact I'm going to be 12 for another 4 months. Don't see why he can't still be 12.
And Lyric, leader of Intelligence? Lyric? Intelligence? Same sentence? What is this kid smoking?
(I am aware that "intelligence" does not always have anything to do with "being intelligent", yes. ^^)

Oh lord. This reminds me of the time a 14 (or 12, as it were) year old kid decided to declare war against a website I work for. Oh noes, here comes the kiddy army! Also, why resort to slander when so many fun TRUE things come out? These people are silly.

And yes, this qualifies as something new and utterly STUPID Lyric related. This DESERVES flaming, if it is actually true and not some idiot kid trying to mess with Pescado.

I haven't laughed so hard in a long time, thanks kiddos!


*edit* Also, he should not have given away the name of the leader of his intelligence branch so easily. How could she be an effective spy if everyone knows she is a spy? He should have at least waited to get proof of Pescado's loyalty to the cause.

Wow...

I remember the movie..

"LOOK WHO'S TALKING!"

LMAO! Oh I need a good laugh :lol:



Wha?  :shock:

When the fuck did he start charging members of MTS2? Cause I've not been charged or heard about it :?

There isn't a charge, really...but people who donate a certain amount to keep the site running (or post a certain amount of stuff, I guess) have a special status where they can download from a quicker server.

Hence all the hassle over the 503 messages most of us were getting.

My life would be so boring without the Sims2 community drama.  
I love the idea of an army of hated people going against the most loved CC site online.
Also that "friends" crap at TSR sounds vaguely like what Christopher Columbus and his minions said to the Native Americans right before they deliberately spread disease.

OT: Wasn't CC who spread disease knowingly, that would be the later settlers.  Also CC landed in the Caribbean, not North America

back to topic:  It's possible that the person bothering Pesc was just joking around.  As someone else pointed out to me, lyric would most likely not send a complete moron.

You're right, but still it just smacks of "you can trust us, we'll even give you these wonderful (cheap) gifts (then stab you in the back)"

Wu-HAHAAAAAAAAAAA  hahahahahahahahaah!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I was around when it happened, and he was painfully sincere, if crazy. No clue about LL's POV, though; he claims she was involved, but that doesn't mean it was true.

Where the disease they brought completely exterminated the Caribe Indians. Just saying.

There was a young person a few months ago going around threatening sites like Sublime Sims with a "war" and claiming that he was the vanguard of the freesite "warriors." He was exactly 15, I think. This sounds just like him.

LMAO.  In the ring..........On one side we have Lyric and her trusty sidekick teenager, and on the other side we have Delphy.  Who will win?  Ha ha, my money's on Delphy.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Nightstalker over at S2W is about that age now.  It was probably him.

Oh Delphy will definately win.  He actually has people on his side.

ok, seriously, I just laughed myself into a migraine, this post should carry some sort of a health warning  :evil:  *holds head and pops pills*

Nightstalker is John.. not the same guy Pescado talked to.

I'm totally fascinated by this army (of two): I'm wondering about their practical actions.
Maybe intelligence corps (our friend Mickey Mouse, perhaps) are googling for videos "Website hacking for dummies" right now, while writing corps (Medico) wander around writing "Delphy must be destroyed" on walls with spray cans.

EDIT: Pescado, join please: your crank calls to TS2 community members are very needed (Slander, anyone?).

I'm surprised that Pescado didn't join. If only to lead them on and laugh at their stupidity through out the entire way.

Oh god, if this "army" actually manages to cobble something together, the results are bound to be hysterical.


Fixed.  8)

At the risk of making our younger (but still far more mature than these jokers) members want to shoot my arse off with the canons... how 'high school'... like the in-fighting at the swing sets during recess at an Elementary school! I mean c'mon... this is a GAME fer pete's sakes! The amount of silly drama keeps me vastly amused and in total shock. I've been in Guilds/Clans etc in gaming communities with less drama!

Pescado-babe... you should totally have maybe considered having some fun, if just to post more messages for everyone to laugh at... good heavens!

Mind you with immature doofuses like these, it's only a matter of time before such things go public anyways. I mean... sheesh! An ARMY?!!! WTF? These folks seriously need to get a life (she says posting in here and amusing herself... I'm not smug, honest, really!) *laughs*

All those items are pure shit! who would ever want to download those?

I found that chat transcript quite amusing. Thanks for giving me a laugh before I head out for work. :)

The whole project is just a pathetic ploy. They lost the most important thing they had going for them, EA's indifference, and now they're desperate to portray themselves as friendly and giving members of the community they spent years fleecing. It's NOT going to work.

lol - lol - roflmao - lol - lol

um yeah ..... thats it!