PMBD

I know that in another thread (which I can not find) several people discussed the weirdness behind schuldig_seiben's obsession with feminate males. Was reading through the threads at S2C and saw this post:

http://forums.sims2community.com/showpost.php?p=860478&postcount=1024

(http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/8/5/5/f_SchuldigMalm_b1cdca8.png)

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Aww leave her alone, she's allowed to be unique; she's Schuldig. ^^
And whilst I would never download it, I think it's quite cute...

umm and what's wrong with this???  I mean I wouldn't want my boy simmies to wear it but i don't see any problems with others wanting it.

I agree - she has a unique style and people adore her creations as well as her sims because they represent her own style. I wouldn't want my men to wear dresses either, but so what - it's a funny idea, and it fits her feminine men perfectly.  8)

It's just like in real life I mean hell. I think it's extremely funny but otherwise nothing wrong with it. But I guess to each his own or what the hell ever they say.

cute dress, I didn't even realize it was on a man at first. (too busy looking at dress)

You are on the internetz. Weird doesn't really excist anymore :) If you're allready thinking this is too far, boy oh boy :P:P

Unless it's a sims 2 payfile dude dress, it's not weird enough to be evil and up for destruction :)
Plus it's beautful, I don't use boys in dresses, but I would love it done for a lady.

*shrugs* Hey, it's her sim. I'd personally rather have it for my ladies, but Schuldig likes to be different/strange/wack, so I respect that.  :D

I think the mesh is a very nice shape for a transvestite.  +100000 points for not having a fake as all heck chest on it.

I do think it's a shame she didn't remove the obvious boob shading from the source picture.

Too far?
It's just a male sim wearing a dress. There are much bigger problems in the world than people (or sims) who do not dress conventionally.

Frankly, I fail to see any relevance in this thread (or in my reply, for that matter). For each their own.

Oooh I want that dress. I love men in drag. THEY ARE SEXY.

Yes, I have to agree with the consensus here - men in dresses is not a big deal.  I had a friend who was turned on by straight men in women's clothing - and other than that she was normal.

Not to mention - a very nice looking drag queen - they don't often wear formal dresses with long skirts - they often dress to men's tastes rather than women's - which means short skirts and extremely high heels.

I agree completely with that *nods*

Schul has her own unique style and it always looks good. :) Shes damn talented if you ask me

men in dresses are a big deal.

:[

send them all to the moon.

Oooo! It's nice to have a dress where the guy doesn't have "boobs"! Appearently I have alot of guys in one of my neighborhoods who like to talk about pink dresses. lol

LMAO I think I'm gonna give General Buzz Grunt a makeover any day soon...

Eventually the transvestites will take all our pretty things!

That's what s/h/it means with this post. Already a nice green dress. Next?

The shoes.

My only regret is that there aren't more of those dresses, plus a coordinating female dress for a Warlokk Milla. Then you could have one of those revues where there are almost all men in drag and just one or two females. It would definitely spice up NL.

But it's a start!

When I saw the thread-name I thought she'd done something bad.

I cba to care about men in dresses. It's not a turn-on for me, but then it's probably not me they're looking to turn on.

[Edited to get rid of nonsense. Wrong site mentioned.]

Why are you so concerned?  :roll:
I mean come on, schuldig_seiben is talented. If that's what type of sim she likes to create, and you don't like it, don't pay any mind to it and leave her be!

Come on. I really like schuldig's style, she's an original creator and makes beautiful stuff. I'd personally be more reclutant to use wildly pierced sims than men in drag in my game, still I wouldn't even think that creating a wild variety of piercings is going "too far" :roll:

That look's awesome. What's the big deal? How is that threatening or going to far? Men have been dressing up as women and vice versa for centuries.

... I've actually been searching for a nice male kimono.

Yeah, it's not that horrid of a thing.  If at all.

She and KSK have very effeminate men--the only difference being that I've yet to see any woman-hating come from Schuldig.

I don't care what other people do in their game or what they decide to share in terms of custom content--if you don't like it, don't download it.  As long as she's not selling it or forcing people to use it, she's not harming anyone.

I'm going to go make a crossdressing simmie now :)

Actually, that suits one of my stories perfectly!  :shock:

...thanks!? LOL.

Umm link please Nina? :D

how could this possibly be "too far"? when i first read the title of this post i thought maybe someone was using sneaky tactics to renew memberships and upping their prices without notice, or maybe someone had made a child prostitution hack . . but seriously men in dresses? that is soooo last millenium.

Also, what does a free clothing have to do with paysites? o.o

Seconded.

Actually, if that's her first attempt at making clothing, then it's damned good.

I like the dress.  I don't have crossdressing males, so I wouldn't use it, but I think it's a bang-up job.

You know what upsets me about that Sim?

The fact that he looks way better in those clothes than I ever would.  :cry:

I (mistakenly) clicked on this thread thinking she'd stated she was going to start charging people to make them Sims or something like that... but it's about the dress one of her male Sims is wearing? God, what a waste of eyejuice.

Nice dress, would use it if it was for a girl and not a guy. But so what if he/she uses them for male sims, it's what she wants to do. People may not like it (me for example) but doesn't mean that she can't make it and use if for herself.

nothing wrong about guys in dresses. I like this dress and i like the fact that there are men who want to be different.

THIS is your latest atrocity? Come on, surely Sshodan has done something more dramatic than this. This is tame by the standards of what's already there. I doubt this would even have been a finalist for last month's More Awful Than You.

Theres an atrocity going on aboutSimsInternationalMale   (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=45437):lol: Its rather amusing

yes I read about that here:

http://www.helaene.com/

Yea wat is up wif all the peoplez ztealinz!!!111ONE

I think you're pissed because you didn't realise it was a guy until she said so.  :wink:

It's a prize for a contest that is about being as pretty a boy as possible. I think it fits the theme quite well. It's well made & elegant. I like it :)

The only thing she has in common with KSK is her like of pretty men. But she's also capable of making actual women & obviously male men. she doesn't hate women or pull fits if you mention female conversions.

If this is your reaction to a sim in a dress that she made, I feel sorry for anyone at all 'different' from your narrow-minded idea of what is usual who comes across you in the real world.

...Not to be too harsh, though. I have to admit, seeing the title & then reading what it was about made me laugh for about three minutes.

 I thought she'd pulled a stunt involving extraction of money for her sims. Would have been more interesting.

That's more up Sshodan's alley from what I understand.

:lol: Yeah...someone asked if she would convery some of her edits. For one she said there was already a hair like it so didn't, but she converted the other. Whereas Sshodan demonstrated how to pull the mother of all hissy fits when her hair was refitted. And yet they both get threads discussing their misconduct? Sad, isn't it  :lol:

Sshodan & KSK seem to have conveniently disappeared. Why is this? Perhaps their women-hating got so bad they...couldn't handle being women any more. :shock:

I take it you haven't seen Simmergirl's place if this dress got you so surprised? 8)

Cute dress, too. I'd try it on some of my viking-type dudes for sure, beards and all.

I don't understand the woman-hating since they make such girly man-Sims.  I'm jealous, though--I want to make pretty boys, but making male Sims is so annoying.  Way easier for me to make pretty girls.

Might be a little amusing to hear that they both went and got sex changes.

Simmergirl isn't terrible, but I think I'd rather what Schuldig has than the fake boobs.

I like that dress.
I would put it on a female sim but not a male sim.
I don't really like muscular males in dresses because their arms are so huge.

*I had to change they're to their.

My only problem with this is that in all my work with drag queens, the goal was to make them look as much like women as possible, and Sims genetics are just never gonna give me the option to put hip pads, fake breasts, and diva wigs on them. If someone will develop diva wigs, obviously fake padding, and uber-glamour makeup, THEN I might go for this in my game!

And yes...for several years, I judged drag pageants. It was great....the 'girls' would make me up ...and I never looked so glamorous! And then I got to be a total bitch judge...Simon Cowell had nothing on me. Muahahaha! Seriously great fun. I eventually started directing some of the pageants, because I got so annoyed with the crap choreography and bad ly-orchestrated shows.

My favorite queen was also one of my dearest friends...Billy was an amazing actor (played opposite me in many shows including The Music Man), and made a STUNNING Wynona Judd.

Anyone that can make Winona Judd stunning has got to be good. ;)

And drag queens are not my cup of tea, but I LOVE that dress.  It looks well done.

Wynonna Judd looks stunning sometimes.
She has her moments.

Actually Hecubus there is a site that is giving you what you ask for, although it's NOT flamboyant enough, but if you can skin I'm sure you can make some new outfits ;)

http://simmergirl.com/default.asp

all those ladies on that website have a little something ;)

heh heh.....gosh...I just may have a new storyline to introduce....

One of my fave lesser-known drag queens in Atlanta is Jalouse'. Pronounced "jealousy". :)

Fairly convincing, and she did a good Hedwig.

I'm likely to make a Leslie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Cochran) Sim someday just for kicks. And then the world will explode, I imagine...

The sims community would love this Bulgarian pop star.

(http://perezhilton.com/upload/2007/05/is_she_trying_to_get_h/375970652_ad7330903c.jpg)

(http://www.bgns.net/site/images/stories/actual/articles/azis.jpg)

(http://news.fashion.bg/img/azis_350.jpg)

*wants his nails...

he's really not waifish enough to be a true sims2 fangirl femmale love.  Is that a word?  Oh well.  He's feminine, but he's a bit on the barrel chested side.   Most all yaoi boys I've seen in the community have been effeminate, wasp waisted pretty boys, and NONE had facial hair ;)

I do want his nails though.

I guess Eddie Izzard wouldn't fit the bill either eh?
(http://www.marilyn.nu/ArticlePages/200507/01/20050701144618_Administrators319/eddie_izzard.jpg)

It'd be a hoot to see Amanda Lepore in the game..  She looked better when she was younger before the surgeries went too far like a lot of people who overuse cosmetic surgery.
(http://www.hurriyetusa.com/haberler_foto4/amanda_lepore_01.jpg)

There's also another off the top of my head but I can't place her stage name.. I want to say Twiggy or Sunshine..

ETA:  Well, I haven't found the one I was looking for yet but I found another the Perez Hilton likes to mention a lot.  Jackie Beat (http://www.jackiebeatrules.com/).

Found a website (http://www.queenmother.tv/nyc_girls.php) with the more active drag queens in the NYC area.. pretty cool. :)

Point I hope I'm getting across is that not all transvestites are effeminate/waif-y males.  Heck, if I'm putting them in my game I'm going full out.  I want variety.  

I'm reminded of the Secret Lives of Women episode I watched about wives whose husbands were transvestites.  There was one couple in their late 50's and early 60's who were deeply in love and devoted to each other.  The wife said it was like having a husband and a platonic girl friend.  She said she'd help him pick out clothes and put on makeup.  It was the sweetest thing I had seen in a long time.  The husband chose to wear what was appropriate for a woman his age and they could walk down the street without attracting attention.  It was wonderful!

In that picture, Amanda Lepore looks a bit like Traci Lords to me. Maybe it's just the same hairstyle as Traci in Cry Baby and the bright red lipstick... but I definitely agree about having Amanda in the game. Hell, I kinda want to see Azis in my game too.

I'd really love to have a sim of Divine, the actor/actress from Hairspray, polyester and Pink Flamingos.

She was not waifish at all. :lol:
There are some meshes that would be great for her, but they are all for females, and I can't convert anything, so I guess it will remain a dream. :)

I wouldn't call this going too far. If I were in the mood to make a visual kei male sim, I'd use this dress. It's quite cute.  :D

Pssst Alia they've got a request board on that site that I linked ya too ;)

And, now I need to icon that tugging down the shirt picture.

But on the topic of pretty waifs, Candy Darling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Candyandjeremiah.jpg)  was rather pretty. Sometimes I consider simming her.

As for bad wigs, Sshodan, this hair (http://modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=226787) and some of the Simsconnection hair works really good for that (okay, I have to qualify 'on crack') dragqueen look.

But Simmergirl is good for nice, pretty hair.

I am really beginning to think that in a former life we may have known each other.  :lol:

I've been to my fair share of shows from DC to South Carolina and yes, I agree it is SO much more than just a dress and a little make-up.

Well if we are going to get all Sigmund Freud on the subject of schuldig_seiben I may as well risk saying that she has penis envy and wants to degrade males and make them look like females. I can't believe I just said that, but there you go.

Personally I have nothing against cross dressing guys, I expect they are allot of fun. I live in a remote location, I have never even met a gay guy.

I saw a version of Rocky Horror Picture Show once, and the guy playing Frank-N-Further was SERIOUSLY hot. Not surprisingly, he was hot even in a corset and pumps. Other than those hours of drooling, I can't say I'm too much into dragqueens, but I do like the dress and I think it's so cool that the  Sims community (in general) isn't judgemental when it comes to things like this.

Hm... I do love Eddie Izzard too, and have done so even since I first saw him in Velvet Goldmine. That movie had some really, really delicious guys in it. :O

Yay! Thanks, Willie!

my pleasure :)

Modo: Nah, Schuldig makes her fair share of pretty female sims, butchy female sims and bloke-sims-that-look-like-blokes. She just likes feminine guys too. Nothing wrong with that! ^^ She's not biased at all. ^^

*nods* True true.

And her manly-men are actually very nice  :)

There's always room for executive transvestites in my world.

Lepore's lips starred in a Tiga & Zyntherius video (a remake of Corey Hart's "Sunglasses @ Night") and really, one had to ask "WRYYYYYYYY!?!?!" a lot over that, for many different reasons. Seriously, it was about four minutes of LIPS OF DOOM and terrible 80s pop crap in a twisted clusterboink.

As for the drag queen you're trying to think of...Lady Bunny? Tinkerbelle died ages ago, took a header out a window. Divine's dead, too.

Then there's The Lady Chablis in Georgia, as well as Charlie Brown and her troupe of glamour bombers.

Twiggy was indeed the name of a semi-famous NYC queenie, if memory serves.

CapnJ: You haven't changed your av in ages!!! :O

The only drag queen I know the name of is Dame Edna.. :oops:  :oops: I think there's another like her but she's the one I remember. ^^ lol! 8)

I know! I think I ran out of new ones  :?  O well, time for a change!

Btw, are you called Sapphires at Enayla's forum?

Yay! *saves it* I was getting worried about you!

Nopes. I don't like Enayla's stuff and I didn't even know she had a forum. ^^^ :P

Aww thats sweet of you hun  :) But I am fine, just ran out of frigging avatars! Hmmm I think I should go plunder a load *runs off*

I've been to a few drag queen pageants now and while they're a blast, it depresses me when the guys are so much prettier than I am.  Last time @ Asia SF, I must've spent 15 minutes ranting about how much I wished *I* could look that hot in leather pants.

I'm quite sure you did, you just didn't know he was gay - maybe he didn't either :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

That was pretty good! ^^^^

Exactly what I thought. :lol:

There are several estimates, but about 10 % of population are considered to be gay. So, Modo, the next time you go to a bar, count the people in the room and divide the number by 10 and you get the number of gays in the room. :)

What if it's a Straight Bar? ;)

They just don't know that they are gay, yet. ;)

And if Modo really lives in the middle of nowhere (like I did), there are no other bars. So, also the gays are there. :)

Right, how many people are on this site? Because a lot of...us?...must be gay. ^^ I'd say "us" without the question mark but I'm not really gay. ^^ Not really. :P But rather than say "a lot of them"...
Oh I'll shut up now.
But really, how many members do we have? ;)

((And I like the theory. ^^))

I live in the tiniest of islands. Not the smallest in the Channel Islands, the largest, but that's still bloody small. And even WE have a gay bar!! A transvestite-drag-queen bar to be truly specific, but still!

I'm not gay... How the hell did this get on all of us being gay? Which I am not. I'm neither homosexual nor am I happy at the moment.

ETA
Recolor of the dress
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t202/KayNii/dressroseei1.png)
I will so download this when she puts it up :)

Now, a Straight Bar just screams Repressed Homosexuality  :roll: :lol:

I don't know of many openly homosexual/bisexual/non-heterosexual people in North Dakota.  There's one girl who keeps complaining there aren't any lesbians in ND, but if I actually had friends and a reputation I cared about, I wouldn't want to be openly non-heterosexual around here either.  =P  As it stands now, I have neither, so arguing with people and having them scoot away from me is pretty much how almost every day goes.

It's a pretty nice dress.  Don't really care for painted on bows and such, though.

Meh, it's a pink dress. The ruffles are detailed but that's about it. One thing that's for certain about the sim: He sure as hell ain't a lesbian. The creator should offer him some strap on anal...like an extra accessory.

She made a white recolor also and she said she's going to put the simmie up for download. I'll be downloading the green and white. If I'm in an extra good mood maybe the pink but I don't really like pink so probably not.

Don't know how many members we have and I do think those kind of statistics are tricky, but I'll volunteer my sexuality - Not Gay.

Isn't it funny how Gay Pride is celebrated and Straight Pride would be thought to be oppressive. I guess that's just the way.

Anyhoo, that's the thing that Maz and I have in common - we prefer sex with the opposite gender, so that works out fine for us.  :lol:

Yah....I wasn't gonna answer, but I have to address the gay pride thing.

First: I'm bisexual. I've had meaningful relationships with both men and women. I thought of myself as simply lesbian for many years, but then met a couple of men who reminded me that attraction and love is about the Person, not the Gender. My next meaningful relationship could be with either...guess we'll find out when it happens.

In the 1990s, I was an activist in the gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered community in North Carolina. I was very 'out'...pics on the front page of the paper, tv interviews, and many panel discussions. When someone would ask me why there is gay pride day but not straight pride day (and they invariably did), I would give them this simple, two part answer (and the snottiness would come first if they were being pricks):

- "Anything" pride days are required when a segment of the population is discriminated against by laws and attitudes. See: 1960s American civil rights demonstrations

- You could have a straight pride day...you just have to organize it.  :lol:

Some people are just dumb. Every day is pretty much straight pride day unless its gay pride day then its not.

It's so hard for straight people. Being the (respected, safe, 'normal') majority and all. I cry a single emo tear for them.

:lol:

Personally I'm not particularly proud of being straight. It was how I was programmed and to each his or her own. Gay Pride actually isn't a thing around here either, but perhaps that's because afaik Danes are largely unconcerned with other people's sexuality.  :P

'm with MizzKitty here. It's dumb to call people dumb just because they don't know about <insert your choice of opression here> Pride days and other USA's peculiarities. :P

Dorquemada apparently you didn't take time to read Hecubus' post and my reply. I was saying it's dumb for people to ask when is straight pride day. And it is dumb no matter what anyone says. Why in the hell would someone ask that? I mean everyday is pretty much straight pride day.  It's dumb not to read posts clearly  :wink:

ghengisjohn: Shall we have a moment of silence?

About Gay Pride:

This year, somebody asked me in all earnesty:

'Well, if today is the International Women's Day, when is the Men's Day?'

Some people just cannot see what is right in front of them.

...Seriously? Oh god, people hurt my brain.

HAHA! Just directed a play called "Hysteria" that involved Freud and Penis Envy. It was a great laugh and my female actress seemed to really enjoy the Penis Envy speech XD

*wants an Eddie Izzard sim in her game*

I'm a bi curious person myself (I'm female by the way), and have nothing against anyone who has different sexuality. I just get a little annoyed when people shove it in my face, trying to make out they're all special because they're gay/lesbian.

Tramen, I agree...being "in your face" about ANYTHING...sexuality, religion, race, smoking, politics, etc. is just obnoxious.

And yeah..every single group has their evangelists. I neve saw myself that way...I was always the chick who didn't "look" gay, so I guess my appearance disarmed them enough to listen to me (although speaking intelligently probably helped too).

To be honest, by the time I was involved in gay pride days in North Carolina, most of the heat was off. We had very few protesters (our most famous was a guy in the mountains who held up a sign saying 'fagits go hom" (sic). Yeah...that picture was plastered on every newspaper in the region. At that point, gay pride days were largely big ol' street parties. Now, of course, there is a new focus...Americans are fighting the gay marriage issue, so there's something at stake again.

Oh, and we don't think you're stupid because you don't know what's happening here (at least I don't). I hope that I'm one of the Americans that helps rehabilitate our awful reputation. If I make statements that make assumptions about knowledge of things Americans, correct me. Ask for explanation. It's the only way we learn.

And I want an Eddie Izzard sim too!!

Hecubus, there are only two Eddie Izzard sims that I can find; one on TSR (looks naff) and MTS2. If I had the time I might actually sit down and make one.

There should be two versions of him.. one where he's dressed up all executive tranvestite and the other with how he looks normally because he's quite fetching as a bloke too. :D

Eddy Izzard.. Is he that funny British guy? I watched a show with him once, afair it was from USA and he had quite some fun bashing them, and afair it was very funny to watch but I kept thinking "Gods, how can he stand on those heels for 1½ hours without walking like a cripple!?"  :lol:

I know I would have... I'm not a heels person >_>

Sorry, as you were.

http://www.eddieizzard.com/home.izz

in case anyone hasnt seen this guy

Schuldig made some non-dress male clothes:

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x244/Ginseng_52/1.png)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x244/Ginseng_52/14.png)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x244/Ginseng_52/3.png)

There are lods of them these are just a few. I like them even better than the dress  :D

http://forums.sims2community.com/showpost.php?p=868817&postcount=1094

Very nice! The first is my fave and the third would definitely make it into the game. The second is sorta "meh" to me, but that's a matter of taste and nothing else ^^

Nice textures. I like the style too. I'll have to download those and the white dress recolor RedLove mentioned previously. But one little question...where the hell did that poor guys ribs go?!  :shock:

That mesh reminds me of my boyfriend.. his upper body is much more buff than his lower.  It happens when guys weight train too much and ignore cardio.

Ick, it's this new fad, thin twiggy legs mesh! I'd take ruffly pink dress on my males over it any given day, it's so yucky!

Yeck. Sticklegs. I swear, if I had legs like that, instead of my tree-trunk-like legs, I'd collapse from the weight of my armour. Of course, wearing 80 pounds of hardware all the time is a great way to build up your leg muscles right there.

his organs! His organs are missing!

Maybe he's wearing a corset under the top ;)

I'm frustrated. Where do you download it?

I think it's just images in the S2C "Post Your Creations" thread - she's not uploaded them to MTS2 yet.

Dont think she is uploading them at Mod, think they are going on her website  :) Thats what I've heard anyhow

Oooh, corsetunderneath - do you think?  :D

Skinny model-size females & warlock type curvy ones have been designed for.
I'm sick of all the huge bodybuilders with muscles getting bigger and bigger. It's about time people made stuff for guys with stick legs lol I mean, they're more common than really built, hench guys in real life. Well not as common as fat people but still  :wink:

Ooo, forgot she had a website...



I wouldn't put it past her ;)

I much prefer skinny, gawky guys then muscle-bound ones; every guy I have ever been with or liked has been the skinny type. I have such a soft spot of skinny, gawky geeks :lol:

Actually she asked everybody on a forum I go to would they like to have it at that forum. I'm not sure if she will upload them to MTS2

:?: This is all speculation, right? HAs anyone actually asked her?

At her insim thread she said if people liked them enough she'd post them... somewhere at then post a link. She does upload most of her stuff to MTS2, but who knows where it's actually going?

And that mesh is a "curvy" Sshodan mesh. I bewail the fact that it's a Sshodan mesh, but the outfits look pretty good all the same. I'd definitely grab 'em.

I think he had his ribs removed so he could do that thing...
never mind.

I like the outfits except that purple butterfly shirt.

It's true.

-What she said when she showed us her new outfits. I said I would download them and she said something about maybe uploading them soon.

For the thread starter:

Well, her making a male mesh with thin waist over round hips is yet another thing that complements nicely her woman-hating tendencies. 8)

As for sticky legs, geeky figures suits me fine and definitely better than that Insim's nefarious trademark, but thin waist over suddenly round arse'n'hips - nuh-uh. That's ugly.

That said, them clothes looks decently done and if they were for standart Maxian figure (or had only 1 of them 2 disfigurements), I'd try some of them.

Skinny geek legs are fine.

 I think it's wearing skin-tight, tapered jeans that look more like leggings that's the problem. I really do love the textures though.

Oh don't get me started on the skinny pipe jeans, they're a menace to society :x and men's reproductive systems ;)

Men in leggins?  :shock:  :shock:  :x  OMG!

What, you object to pinching garments? Try an underwire bra sometime!

I'm wearing one right now, and it bloody hurts :x, if it wasn't for the support then I wouldn't wear it :lol:

I'm confused by women that say that underwire bras hurt because I mainly wear those and they don't hurt at all.. I think you guys must be wearing bras that are too small to go around all of ya.   :?

Have to admit, my bust-size demands an underwire bra, else gravity would win  :lol:

I have an strangely wide upper torso...which means that if the underwires fit properly, the rest of it doesn't. And if I get the rest of the fit okay, the underwires are too close together and jab into me.  I probably need custom-made bras, but I am not rich enough for them. So i struggle to find a decent fit. Hence...mostly softcup. And some sag.

Random lurker making first comment. I just like reading how these threads turn from men in dresses to gay pride to bras.

Also, thank god for a small cup size so I don't have to wear underwires.

Carlos Mencia dressed up as "Carlita" again on Sunday's new episode of his show.  He looked super cute!  These screens I took don't do him justice I think.

(http://angelica.forbidden-zodiac.com/phorums/speeddating-002.jpg)

(http://angelica.forbidden-zodiac.com/phorums/speeddating-001.jpg)

(http://angelica.forbidden-zodiac.com/phorums/speeddating-003.jpg)

I got huge boobs and age 25 gravity is already winning, so I wouldn't be caught dead without an underwire bra. Fortunately they don't hurt me (when they're the right size and, you know, not broken), so that's all good.  :wink:

Yea, did we have a topic in the beginning anyway? Ah, it is Pescados fault, he gives us no Off topic forum, so we have to missuse other threads  :lol:
I hope I won't get banned for going OT  :roll:

About small cup sizes? Great. Lucky you.
Having a ehm, quite big cup size while the rest of the body is quite slim makes you wish boys would sometime raise their eyes and look into my beautiful deep blue eyes  :cry:



It started at the age of 25 already? OMG, I thought it only started last year. Hah, gravity will never win  :!:

There's no 25. This is still 24.

You have no idea how happy that statement actually makes me.

It's even better when you turn 42 and realize you don't age in Pescado-time for six more years...phew!

Regarding Carlos as a chick: That was quite a funny bit...about speed dating.

Regarding tits: I'm of average size, and guys STILL don't look into my deep green eyes. What is the attraction, gents?

Regarding topic shifts: I think of our threads much like those great tables you get going at a bar, when people drift in and out, and the conversation naturally grows, ebbs, and moves on (with occasional breaks for drink orders or collective jams to a favorite song). I'd love to have a drink (or ten) with any of ya! (Talk about a monster table...heh...)

*nods*  Agreed, Hecubus.  Plus, I've noticed the topics that do stay on topic tend to just repeat the same stuff over and over.. and over..

Aw, the old man wouldn't do that, now would he? Besides, since we seem to do random collectively then it's not even OT anymore  :lol:  



Aw, I'm with you on that :D It was so cute of him I almost want to hug him.

Wait. :shock: Wha'?!?

*looks around frantically for rum*

What about... 26?  :roll:

Arrgh, matey!! (translation: "Oh, NOES!")

26 doesn't exist either. You stay 24 until you're 30. Once you've processed it, it does become the greatest intuition ever :lol:

..wait. Carlos. Carlita. Carla. Pandrito. Could this... be... :O

I *think* may know where you're going with this but mind clarifying?  :)

Cardrew?

Roffles! Perhaps!
My friend and I are both...12...18 in a couple of months. I refuse to wear underwired (they scraaaatch!). I'm alright though; they'd be smaller if I was smaller. ^^ But she, she has biiiiig boobs. Has to get specially-made underwired bras, and bikini tops!