PMBD

http://www.countrysims.it/

Some kid posted it on the paysites list and I went to look. FUCKING HELL!!!

A) They CAN'T SPELL
B) They're an entire paysite already
C) They are SHIT
and finally, the clincher:
D) THEY ARE CHARGING FOR MAXIS RECOLOURS!!!

WHAT THE FUCK?!!!!

At least you can see the shit you are going to download if you get a subscription! And it's ALL pay. No freebies at all!!
*looks* Okay, there is a Freebie section (under "gifts") where other creators post their junk, but it's completely empty...

All I can say is wow . . .
Whats a curtnai?

Precisely! Or what about a "cration", ne?

And what exactly makes them "country"? I didn't see any farm related items.

I dislike sites with music playing in the background  :evil: Annoys me a lot!

And there is a link to a free section, but its broken/does not exist

And maxis recolours? WTF?! Blergh I am unimpressed...

I didn't know it had music playing...*turns on speakers* :shock:

http://www.countrysims.it/index-4.html#

That's the free page; it's just empty. ^^

And I reckon I'm even less impressed than you are, Cap'n...

No Tchân! Don't turn on your speakers! Save yourself!!  :lol:

O we are very unimpressed...

the domain was registered on 2006-11-07, under the name of MARIA MONDANI. I'm not sure if anone will actually need this info :lol:

as for the langugage thing, I think she's a non native speaker.

What's a teen ager?

Seriously...I mean, there are 79831654 sites out there where she could check the spelling/proper name of the category.  :roll:

Is it just me or is there no music playing? I can't hear a damned thing.....then again, that may be good....... and what's Swimware :P?

I noticed she spelt 'subscription' right  :roll:

I know, Sherrie, I noticed that...

The music is only on the "enter" page. Then there's none inside.

That site made my firefox freeze up. :x

Just shows you how shite it really is :lol:

Wow...just wow. This site is really just...atrocious.

WOW, truly shiteous!! I wouldn't download that jack-crap-aloni if you paid me.

Whoa, just seen now.
It's italian. Ok, Leave it to me  :D  :D  :D.

The woman towards the bottom right disturbs me.

Go, Marhis! And I can always back you up  :wink:

I find it disturbing to think that no matter how obviously horrible that stuff is, someone, somewhere, is looking at that site thinking OMG I totally must have that!! That, to me, is the ultimate riddle. The one that never ceases to weird me out.

Good point hidetheum... really scary are the people that think it's great and run to download it :/

I am amazed that they have the maxis recolors and they are charging for them.. not only that but they are shitty recolors.
And they complain about us pirates for not following the rules of the creators by redistributing pay things. :roll:  But charging for maxis stuff.. that is low.

I just saw it this morning after perusing TSR and finding a link to get the meshes from Country Sims for a recolor.

I never could find the meshes and was horrified that they were a sub site.

 :?

A) Doesn't bother me a lot. I've seen people here who can't spell worth crap. Also are you sure they are an english speaking site? That may be the reason why stuff is spelled wrong. Although the way they said Objetc instead of Object bugs me o.O
B) Are you really shocked?
C) No really?!
D) Um :roll: Everyone's doing it Duh!

Although I do have one thing to say about that site. I like the little 'splodey thing at the beginning that was a nice surprise. But I don't get how they are country sims and they have a picture of a "model" type person with her legs wide open? I live in Tennessee and my definition of country doesn't make that picture come to mind nor do I ever see any people like that.

Note: 'splodey is a word. In my dictionary thank you :D

from the info page:



she's italian, i guess. but mistakes like those look more like typos than not understanding the language, to me. and maybe she doesn't mean country in a farmish kind of way, maybe she means it like "the country of italy"? or something.

edit: but yes, her stuff is truly craptacular.

That would be pretty retarded of her. So yeah, very likely. :lol:

>.< I don't understand how she could do that? Don't you think it would be something like Italian sims or something if she meant it to be "the country of italy?" Or maybe she is just weird...

err, well what i meant to include in my previous post was that by country she could have meant something like "international" ect. she's italian and doesn't speak inglish so too many goods.

anyways, who cares? :D

In Italy there's a diffused habit of using english words for about everything. Whatever english words, often totally unrelated to the topic.
Any shop/company/site must have an english name, or at least one or more english words in their name.
The meaning of those words doesn't matter a bit.

I guess it's some mandatory law, maybe in italian Constitution.

Anything with italian name = shit, crappy and unprofessional; anything english = cool and professional.

If you don't know the english term for something, just invent it: see the optician "Occhial house" (occhiali = eyeglasses) or "Cocomer house" (Cocomero = watermelon).

Wow... i  finished browsing that WONDERFUL site!

 :lol: Here's the question.... Choose one!

a) Shit masterpieces
b) They CAN'T SPELL
c) They should go back to school (for spelling lessons)
d) All the Shits are to be paid! (awesome!)
e) And whoa! the Maxis Recolors! haha...


Answer:   ALL OF THE ABOVE!

I also live in Tennessee and I haven't seen anything like that either.

Nii, you speak frightening logic. I'm going to pretend you didn't. :lol:  :lol:  8)

Put'Mo: All. Yes.

Pft! Do not deny the fact that I am the all Smart One! :D

:( And yes it is frightening

Obviously not, she's italian (.it domain) but Numenor, Marilou, Sims2cri  are italians and they can speak english very well (sorry if i forgot to mention someone).
This person can't spell EVEN IN ITALIAN. This is what she wrote in the news:

Nella sezione Objects un a nuova e bellissima cucina!!! Modesta a parte sintende :-)

un a = una
modesta = modestia
sintende = s'intende (this isn't a little error like the others. it means she doesn't know what is the verb she's using!).

A couple days ago I wrote this chick an e-mail (in Italian cause I'm Italian too), giving her a link to this thread, and basically friendly advising her to stop making a fool out of herself with her crappy site.
This is what she answered me (Translated into English by me. As littlegeisha said her grammar and logical sentences are a bit screwed up, so if this is not fully understandable, I'm not the only one to blame  :lol:):

From:  Bunny <info@countrysims.it>
Sent:  sabato 14 aprile 2007 14.09.35
To:  
Subject:  Cracked Sites?
 
 
You're such huge know-it-alls, you do your own site, pay for it with your own money and not your daddy's,
buy your programs, the games, and do something of your own without copying it from others and then you
come and teach us what to do.
If you're so good and smart show me how to create an object, how to do a portal, how to write in PHP (?)
how you re-design a dress (?), and above all it's too easy to criticise and then be complete inepts at everything.
The free section you talk about is empty, and as stated, it's waiting for new creators willing to publish
(NDT: that's right, she wrote "publish", like they were printing books, or something) their work, good or bad as it is,
it's the good will we reward, and we pay for the site expenses.

You do all that and then when you're done and we have viewed (your work) you'll be allowed to talk about such things,
otherwise move on, it's for the better.

It's obvious we're asking for a contribute, what do you think, all we do for you doesn't cost us a thing?
Freshen up the internet providers rules (NDT: I guess she means the prices?), and then come back when you've done that,
not just to criticise but to say something constructive.

It's too easy to mock someone who's putting all their commitment into what they're doing for other people
(NDT: Who does she think she is, Mother Theresa?).
But if you'll do better than me, I'll say you're right.
And when I say you I say you, not those who already made their ways and only after months, years of trying has
reached high levels.
We monitored the site (NDT: I guess she means her site) for months and saw dozens and dozens of people viewig it
but no one ever bothered to say thanks (NDT: Is she admitting no one ever subscribed? That's undertandable, her content is crap  :lol: )
What brazen cheek.

You be careful going to sites that crack (NDT: I have no idea what she means by saying "crack"  :roll: ) paysites, If you weren't
aware of that, you could go to jail, and so I give you a friendly advice: get out of there before word gets out (NDT: :lol: !!)
Even if you made fun of me behind my back for my scholastic English, I have the strange ability to perfectly understand it,
and this little forum page has been really educational for me: http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=192

Want to argue about how good you are? At least I don't do certain ILLEGAL things.

I'll be waiting for you on MSN Messenger, if you want to talk about it.

Bye, Marilù.
----------------------
[I have the Italian version if anyone cares about it.]

So, anyone itching to reply to this bitch?

you want to mention how a fair number of us DO own sites, and there are even *gasp* people who host other sites?  out of pocket?!  Without asking for *gasp* anything?!  

It slays me how these people start talking about how hard it is to write up a site, and to create etc etc... Like there ARE no free sites.  :roll:

The part I like the most is how she calls Diana "knows-it-all", and then clearly shows that she hasn't understood a bit.
Basically, she has no idea of what she's saying.

A funny thing would be an answer like "ok, so, as YOU know exactly what is legal and what is not, then you'll have no problem at all if we report your site activity to italian Guardia di Finanza, for copyright piracy."

Let's do?

...Is she aware that there are creators on this site?! Whom run their site not on 'daddy's money'?.....DourSims, Nouk.  :roll:

I am tempted to right an angry email in reply to her in Welsh  :D Would be great as I only know offensive words...

*shakes head and picks up axe*

Priceless stupidity. Gosh.  :roll:
I'd love to smash her head on my desk.  :lol:

I love how she says "Get out of there before word gets out" like its such a ZOMBob Secret!!!! I wonder if she has been downloading from the booty yet?

I suppose I should get the brunt of this attack because I opened the thread?
Not a problem. I'll do my best to explain to her. I'm not sorry if I offend her: A) she was soooo rude! B) I'm sick and C) I'm past caring about people's feelings.
("Ne" would be translated as whatever "yeah" or "alright" is, ne? I'm just a Japanese weeaboo. I use random Japanese words all the time...)
And everyone, feel free to add anything to the letter. I just needed to do this, it's probably not perfect and I probably didn't answer every one of her "queries" and so it can still be adjusted.
Nii: I wonder if she has yet, yeah...someone point her there so we can laugh at her? ^^^ :lol:  :lol:  8)

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Dear "Bunny",

Hi, I'm Saffy. I'm the girl who first opened the thread about you. I want to reply to your email with some opinions of mine, and some others on PMBD.

Okay, firstly you didn't have to be so ridiculously RUDE. We are not "know-it-alls"; I think that is a stupid way of naming people who know exactly what they are talking about.

And I don't think you understand this site. We are not "cracking" the paysites. We paid for this with our own money, not that we should have. It's illegal to sell somebody else's content as your own, and even if you paysite owners believe you created it yourselves, spending all your time, it was still using Maxis/EA gamework necessities; even if you pretend you didn't have to use a program to turn it into a Sims file, it still uses TS2 to make it work. I don't even need to throw the EA TOS (and the EULA) at you to make sense, understand? It's illegal, flat out. And we are not stealing content, we're rehosting it, so it's more accessible. We give full credit, with homepage links, to every site which has goods hosted in the booty.

Then you tried to make off with this preposterous idea that we know nothing about creating. Let's take me for an example. I don't create anything other than models (though my cohost, Mukstah, does), sure, so we're not using Dour, Nouk, Sherrie and othersuch people as examples; they own their own free sites and do perfectly well out of it. You obviously haven't heard of them? But back to me, I have created a perfectly good scheme for what I do. I have a free website hosted on a free service provider, okay? There's plenty of these. You could get a geocities or a freewebs, or a .tk website. I use moonfruit. Now I know there is nothing on my site at the moment, because I have bad time management and have a shitty graphics card, so I had my friend take photos for me, but her PC just went on a blitz and wiped itself; no more photos for Saffy. But that's alright; it's no excuse and I understand that. I'll find some way of doing it myself. But where I'm really going with this, is that maybe it's tricky to host files on your website--this can use up bandwidth, send traffic to your site and make what could be a free business quite costly. However, I've come up with a solution to this. Yahoo briefcase links. Simple, ne? It doesn't cost a penny to get a yahoo account, and it's permanent. It may be really irritating to download something from another website, but there are some things that are necessary. I'll even provide direct links to the download, if it helps, so nobody has to fish around. Still, if my files look good, people will get them. It's up to them really. This will solve any problems I may have with too much traffic and not enough bandwidth. You could do this easily; get a free site and host your files somewhere else. You could even do somewhere like RogePost, which stores your files; simple and free.

Your next comment was about prices. I've already sort-of covered this, but there are so many people on here whose sites cost a lot to maintain. But do they charge for content for a game we've already shelled out £20+ (and that's just if you have the base game) for? No, they don't. Some accept donations, but they don't hold content hostage. It's not acceptable. Another thought, we are the only (known) gaming community that has a paysite community within it charging for files. Why do none of these other communities charge for gaming content? Surely the Sims community is not the only one shelling out for websites which have bandwidth issues? Why is it we are the odd ones out?

And finally, I think I did argue about how good I am. And I've not done anything illegal. You, my dear Bunny, have broken the EA TOS, and you're selling content which rightfully belongs to EA/Maxis. I think you'll find that you have been doing something illicit. You are more likely to be the one going to prison. Much more likely than I am, at least!

After all, are we not obliged to post the EA non-endorsed disclaimer on each of our websites, stating we are doing this for fan purposes only? Even breaching your disclaimer is an offence, maybe not a chargeable one, but still an offence.

Please think about it, Bunny, and take off the pay button. You'll get a lot more traffic, and even some grateful people, if everybody can afford what you've posted--you are forgetting that many in the community are children. Can they afford your pretty pixel dolly stuff? I don't think they can. And for those of the community who can afford it, well, sometimes they'd rather use their hard-earned cash on a real-life business, rather than a dubious internet site charging them for gaming content which can be gained free from other internet sites.

Thank you for hearing me out, at least, and I hope you pay this some mind,

Sapphire, on behalf of PMBD

PS: I fail to see why your charging for Maxis recolours is necessary. You haven't even disguised them as anything but content that came with the game prettied up. That's despicable. If I was to say the most illegal thing about this site, despite the fact that the ENTIRE thing is illegal, it would be this blatant "trade" using somebody else's hard work as the base for your gains!

I think your English might be a tad advanced for her. Maybe instead of saying e.g.



You could say... All your base are belong to EA.  :lol:

MK: Psst!!! I did that on purpose!! Shhh!!!

And it doesn't sound nearly so sophisticated if I say that!

I was just thinking that she may not know the acronyms TOS and EULA either.

:lol:

That would be amadan.

Tchân de Bouley, I'll notice her she has a reply to her e-mail :twisted:
I translated your post so she can't play dumb and say she didn't understand what you were talking about.  :)

Thank you! But do you think you could, as Dour said, change "TOS" into "Terms of Service" and "EULA" into "End User Licence Agreement"? And "ne" into "alright" (I think I only wrote it once but she won't understand it)? Thanks a million and I'll await her response eagerly! ;)

I already did that, I even included links to the TOS in Italian, and to the free sites you mentioned.  :D
No problem about the translation... I enjoy translating, I even hope I'll be able to make a living off of it  :lol:

lol you'll probably be good at translating. ^^ But does it scan quite so well in Italian? :wink:  :lol:

You mean if she'll get the message? (I'm confused  :oops: )
I guess it turned out nicely  :twisted:  in Italian too, I didn't do a literal translation when explanations were needed (Kinda like when you're talking to an infant  :roll: , but with less nicety  :lol: )

Oooh I can't wait for her reply.  :lol:

CapnJ: I knooooow!! *itches*

Diana: Yeah, do you think she will understand? I want to see how hard she tries to bite my head off. ^^ I'm already amused in anticipation. ^^

Well, I reckon since this thread has been pointed out to her, she's been stalking it like a crazy person....so might have already read your response Tchân

Well I hope so, I want her response soon! I am an impatient person

Ah the smell of some good drama.

I'm itching too!! (checking inbox like every 5 minutes  :lol: )

If she's not blind or stupid I guess she has to understand. You explained everything really clearly after all. Now, convincing her to become a free site is another matter. I bet she's got a southern uptight kind of mind (Remember, she thinks we'll be arrested!) [no offence to southerns  :D ]

Same here!!

COME ON BUNNNYYYY!!!! *whinge*

Oh, another thing. What sort of name is "Bunny"? :lol:  :lol: Who would willingly call themselves that?

Some one who likes to hop along in their own little world and thinks they can do anything they want no matter how it causes people to react. They are always in the right... Or, it could refer to her intelligence, you decide... Then again, it could refer to her sex drive and maybe she thinks she can support them with what she makes from her site??? Don't mind me, it's the coffee talking... Second pot today....

That's a goood question. I mean, her name is Maria if I'm not mistaken...
Maybe she watched too many Sailor Moon episodes as a kid (Bunny is Usagi (Serena) in the Italian series)  :lol:   :lol:

You'll get a response in 50 years, when she has desiphered the email. :P

I hope not, since I did my best to translate everything clearly, even providing her with links and notes!!!

The thing that annoys me most, is, that this Bunnychick/dude used a Jessica Alba picture and turned it into that horrific...layout. If that can be called a layout, that is.

Oh and this one


I'm sorry. WUT?

Angel: It is pretty amusing. ^^

Diana: She said anything yet?

To how much it seems continued to you amused to my shoulders, satisfy you....... ????

Um, I mean no harm, but I don't actually understand your translation...are you saying you're glad I'm amused or not quite so?
But if you're asking if I'm satisfied; quite, thank you. :lol:

((That is a horrifically cute avatar...))

I am here, and now?

And now you are here. Congratulations! :sarcasm: We've never had one of the owners come to defend themselves! :sarcasm: Like I'm so shocked. How ya like downloading from the booty? It's nice huh?


Translation using Babel Fish *if its not right blame babel fish*
Ed ora siete qui. Congratulazioni! :sarcasm: Non abbiamo fatti mai ad uno venire dei proprietari difendersi! :sarcasm: Come sono in modo da scosso. Come il ya gradisce trasferire dal booty? È huh piacevole?

I never hide me and do not hide neither my identity.
Not, when I saw that it was files to payment on the various sites I removed the link from my browser
Defend me? I do not neither think of us, no one is forced to visit my site, as you have described him? horrible? Whats I do you do not like it? I am sorry, but for can now do only one.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Pilippi/asshat_by_thundercake.jpg)

Sweetie, did you get my email? We did explain we weren't doing anything illegal. But I am glad you have decided to talk to us. Even if I can't understand much. :oops: *

Nii: lol ^^ And actually, we've had like 2 paysite owners before... :lol:

*Why am I the one blushing?!!!!

I didn't say you were hiding? Did I? Or was that Babelfish?
I don't seriously believe you didn't DL from the Booty. The booty is just too tempting not too.
But you did come to defend yourself. Why else would you come surely not to poke fun at yourself? Either that or you are simply Nosy which I can understand because I am too.
And for that "for now can only do one" I don't understand what you are talking about?

Anyhow. Have you read the EULA? You aren't supposed to sell content.

this came to mind   :wink:

http://www.engrish.com/

 :P

and who could pass up the "adult" section???

http://www.engrish.com/adultsonly.php

 :D

:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ9AUWRhwdU


nuff said

I sell my time, my hours of work and web space. I do not ask money for the creations but a subscription to my web space.

Yes, I have DL the booty because I am one subscribed "TSR (two months)", and I have paid for "simchic" and others. If you check on the server did access to the booty two days ago and then several nothing.
I respect the choices of other creators.

Someone has paid for the files in the booty. Right? How could you otherwise have all those files?

I have a dear friend who calls me Bunny on occasion.  So yeah, I willingly call myself Bunny from time to time.

I have no idea what Marilu is saying, and I'm sure she's just as frustrated as us in trying to decipher messages.  She's either fairly pleasant and not upset, or she doesn't understand at all and thus can't be pissed because she wouldn't know what she's pissed about.

Not that that has ever stopped other people, but you know.

Marilu: Yes, most of the files in the booty are paid for.  If you go into the first section of the forum, there's a thread stating how the booty is acquired.

http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/viewtopic.php?t=588

So wait you downloaded the booty because you have a sub at TSR and Simchic? So you downloaded other paysite creators stuff but you think your stuff should be exempt from sharing? *not shared*

I know, it's like retardo land all of a sudden! That 's why I posted an *image* as a reply :lol:

when I want a thing if I must pay for it I pay for her. On my web space the creators' meshes are connected, it is not possible to take from my web space the jobs of other

But you just said you download from the booty. So you don't pay for everything. And I don't know what jobs you are talking about? I'm lost now.

I think she said she only downloaded from the sites she had already paid for--kind of like the deal with ROMs.  Realllllly shouldn't have them unless you own the original cartridge, but pfft.  <.<

Marilu, you are aware what the purpose of this site is, aren't you?  No one really cares that you downloaded from the booty (although it is something to poke and exploit).

From the booty I have taken 4-5 files which were before understanding of sites to payment. When I understood I stopped soon.  :)

He I know where I am, but I create skin only on free mesh, I do not want that who takes my jobs must pay also the creators of the mesh. for this I do not unload from booty

Marilu, do you understand that paysites are against EA's Terms of Use?  That we are HELPING paysites by hosting their files and saving them bandwidth?  So it's okay to download even if you didn't pay for it, because you aren't using their bandwidth.

Ok I quit this is giving me a headache. Marilu no matter what you say we will still have the booty.

I am not interested in the booty nor in his purpose, for what concerns me you can do all that you want.

Okay, but you do understand that you are violating the EULA right?

I know what I am doing, but you what want to hear from me?

I'm with RedLove.  I give up.

We want you to stop selling content. HENCE THE NAME PAYSITES MUST BE DESTROYED. You, my dear, are included

Scrivo in italiano, qualcuno che preferisce essere Inglese piuttosto che italiano sarà comunque pronto a tradurre, di questo ne sono certa.
Io sono italiana e ho capito benissimo cosa avete detto:

Non immagginavo che un piccolo sito potesse suscitare tanto interesse.
Forse il mio inglese è disastroso, forse le mie creazioni sono ridicole, ma almeno non mi sono mai E DICO MAI permessa di criticare i siti di altri dove ho trovato roba peggiore della mia con siti veramente tristi, ma meritano comunque tutta la mia attenzione e riconoscimento perchè loro fanno qualcosa, creano,  non giudicano, non chiedono, non pretendono, creano e basta, alcuni si fanno pagare, altri no, libera scelta di ciascuno.
Come ho detto a Diana io faccio pagare il mio tempo e il mio lavoro.
Mi dispiace che questo vi abbia urtato.
Siete stati feroci e offensivi.
Ma siamo in un mondo democratico, siete padroni di dire la vostra.
Ora torno al mio schifoso sito e se come ha detto qualcuno dovrei prendere lezioni di inglese provate voi e venire sul mio forum e parlare in un italiano che sia per me comprensibile.
Ciao e spero che ci incontreremo in un momento più felice per tutti.

I'm happy who ever said I wasn't? And I would have no reason to come to your forum because I DON'T speak Italian.

Edit: Someone translate that please? I got some of it but the rest was confusing.

I write in Italian, someone that prefers to be English rather than Italian it will be however ready translate, of this of is sure. I am Italian and have understood very well what I have said:
Quotas: She does not know to write, does not know English, music gives annoyance to me, the image of the woman to right disturbs to me, Firefox goes to me in tilt, recolor maxis to payment, orrendo, orrido, but Maria calls itself truly, and many other beautiful ones cosette here and, have used the image of.... in a portale from the diagram orrenda, are not understood what it writes, etc. Not immagginavo that a situated small could provoke much interest. Perhaps perhaps my English is disastrous, my creations is ridicules, but at least they are not never and I SAY to me NEVER allowed to criticize the situated ones of others where I have found roba more worse of mine with situated truly sad, but deserve however all my attention and acknowledgment why they make something, create, do not judge, do not ask, do not expect, create and enough, some are made to pay, others, free not chosen of everyone. As I have said to Diana I make to pay my time and my job. Me dispiace that this has hit to you. You have been feracious and offensives. But we are in a world democratic, you are masters to say yours. Hour I return to my situated schifoso and if as has said someone I would have to take English lessons tried you and to come on my forum and to speak in an Italian who is for comprehensible me. Hello and I hope that we will meet ourselves in a happier moment for all.


so according to "As I have said to Diana I make to pay my time and my job."....you make Sims2 stuff as your JOB???  whoa   :shock:

Same excuse everybody else uses. ITS OLD. Get a new sob story.

Dagnabbit I missed the drama  :(

But Bunny/Marilu has not actually answered any questions. We do not care if you download the booty hun, its why you are a paysite and that you should stop being one. NOW.

Mkay?

BUNNY:
As CapnJ said, we do not mind if you download the booty. It's what it's THERE for. However, it is a little hypocritical.
That's the best excuse yet. "I'm not charging for my creations, I'm charging for you coming to my website." Ugh. You people make me sick. You really need to learn that it's all the same thing. I pay to access your site and get files back. It's essentially charging for the files. There isn't much difference. And I think it's almost worse that you're charging for the use of free meshes! If they're not yours, you shouldn't charge, full stop! ESPECIALLY in the case of Maxis meshes! Like I said before, that's probably the most illegal thing you can do!!
I never said you were the worst. Far from it; I have seen many, many sites containing MUCH worse content. The fact in the matter is you are charging, simply, for pixelled gaming content. This stuff isn't even tangible! I'd understand a little more if sims were dollies we could play with OUT of the PC, but these are add-ons for a GAME to make it pretty. Under NO circumstances should ANYONE pay to receive pretty pixel content! NEVER.

Her avatar and bad English is simply too cute for me to be mad at her...

To be honest, I even had a problem understanding the translation.

She's going on my 'too cute to yell at' list.

I completely agree you Tchân!

Not only is she charging for recolours of FREE meshes, but also for Maxis meshes. These meshes are not yours, you really can not charge for recolours of them.

Wow, I missed all the drama too *Pouts*
Anyways, this is a translation to what she said:

I'm writing in Italian, since I'm sure someone who'd rather be English, will be ready to translate this for you (NDT: Yeah, I don't want to be Italian, and I'd rather speak English, SO WHAT???)
I'm Italian and I've understood what you said about me:
(She quoted some comments we made about her)

I could never have imagined (Bunny, it's "immaginavo", not "immagginavo"  :lol: ) that a small site could be so interesting.
My English may be dreadful (Hell, yes!), my creations may be ridiculous, but atleast I never EVER criticised other people's sites, having found worse stuff than mine (Maybe she visited Carla Niven  :lol: ) , but those creators deserve all my attention and admiration, because they do something, they create, they don't judge, don't ask, they just create, some of them ask for money, some don't, it's a free choice.
As I told Diana, I charge for my time and work.
I'm sorry this bothered you.
You all were offensive and harsh.
But we live in democracy, you're free to say your own.
Now I'll go back to my crappy site, and if, as someone suggested, I should take English lessons, you try to come to my forum and speak fluent Italian.  
Goodbye, I hope we'll meet again in an happier moment.
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Bunny, you realize your site is in English? You should atleast try to learn the language, or stick to Italian!
(Bunny, ti rendi conto che il tuo sito è in inglese e che non ci si capisce assolutamente nulla? O impari la lingua, o faresti meglio a limitarti a farlo in italiano, il sito!)
Ti è arrivata l'email che ti ho mandato? Sembri proprio non averla letta... O forse non ci arrivi... E' importante, se non l'hai ancora fatto, impegnati a leggerla.

Thanks, Diana, that made more sense :)

I think she's actually hurt and confused by this attack. And why shouldn't she be? There's so many other sites out there just like hers and a lot of people never even heard of the anti-paysite movement.

Let's hope she will grow with the knowledge and not just think that people in here are assholes (even though some CAN be a bit harsh in pushing their cause)

Now it's time for you to flame me for voicing that  :P

That's not what she meant. She said "lavori" as in her creations (job is a more common translation for "lavoro").
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I hope she'll come back, or at least contact me, since she hasn't even replied to the e-mail I've sent her... I'm 90% sure she came here and got a lot more confused, since she just doesn't understand English.  :?

Thanks for the translation Diana :] That was very helpful

She does seem upset and confused.



Bunny, we don't want to criticise creators - its paysites that we have a problem with. You should change your policy, so that you are a FREE site that asks for people to donate to help with bandwidths. Please consider this  :) And then we will all be happy, merry and drinking rum! Yarr!!

CapnJ: Precisely! That's my exact opinion! I hate charging for CC full stop, but at least have the gall to make your own meshes and charge for them! Don't use somebody else's and make people pay for it! That's as good as you knit yourself a jumper that is blue with stars on it, right? Then you give me and some other people a jumper exactly like this. I take the jumper you gave me, dye it red and stitch hearts on, and sell it. I may have recoloured it, but does that make it mine to sell? No.
That is what these paysite owners are doing! Maybe Bunny thinks she's being charitable by not using pay meshes, but she doesn't even have permission to charge for pretty repaints of someone else's hard work.

Kitty: Don't worry, I can't understand it either. And whilst her av is cute and she has no grasp of the English language, I don't deem her worth not-yelling-at. If you spoke Italian at all, you wouldn't be thinking this, you'd be shouting at her in Italian. That's the fact in the matter. If she were English, she'd be saying the exact same things (only worded better). Not understanding is no excuse for this density she is portraying. Just my 2 pence.


Finally (for this post), Bunny:

I am a doller and a writer. Both of these are hobbies I do on the computer, and neither produces a tangible result, and I understand this. I have a dolling website where you can download my dolls and I post my writing on writing sites. The fact in the matter is I spend a lot of my time and energy doing these hobbies. I mean, I probably spend more time than you do on your sims stuff!!! I spend a LOT of time. This takes up my time and I'm still at school! Now, do I charge for my work, because I'm making pretty stuff for people to look at/read? No, I don't. There are dollsites that charge you to download, most notably KiSS Doll sites (I was going to donate to one, I was, and I would, because I LIKE KiSS dolls. But the site won't let me donate, which is probably a good thing). There are even stupid people who charge for their fanfiction, and I write my own original fiction too; I could legitimately charge for that. Writing is a job, after all.
However, I'd never charge for my dolls, because they are exactly like sims except they generally don't move unless they're animated, and even then it's limited. The fact in the matter is it wouldn't be right to charge for them.
But hey, I spend my time and energy, and didn't I have to pay for Adobe Photoshop to be able to make my dolls in the first place? Surely I should get people to pay me for the kind service I'm doing them?
The answer is no, as it always has and always will be.



Despicable. Absolutely despicable.


((ETA: I wrote this before Diana posted. Some of my comments may be invalid now. Apologies for that. And I wasn't actually trying to be a bitch, despite the way it may sound...
Thanks Diana for the retranslation, it makes more sense now.))

Tchân -- that was mostly a joke on my part ;)

Actually what does that I won't yell at her is that even in Italian she isn't abusive or even unkind as far as I have gathered. Like I said before - she mostly seems hurt and confused.

I'm not jaded enough that every paysite owner tickles my annoyance. I probably will be in a few months, but I am not yet. Furthermore, it seems that yelling at this one will only convince her that this entire community is full of assholes who don't deserve the time of day - hence being counterproductive.

Also, I am way tired and I do want to pet that bunny.

Well, I actually think her letter to Diana was VERY rude. Maybe it's just me, or maybe it was the translation, but it seemed very insulting. There's no excuse for insolence.

And I am, oh I am. I'm very jaded *giggles at in-joke w/ self*. Very. Plus paysites DESERVE to be destroyed! ALL paysites!

Yarr! I agree!

Especially those which sell eye-burning, acidic colours of free/maxis meshes *looks at Carla Niven*

OMG, I'm a genius! Having a lot of experience with "Maccaronic English"I deciphered what she meant in her posts:



Means: I can see you kept on making fun of me behind my back, are you satisfied..... ? (or maybe "are you done?")



Means: I never hide and I don't hide my identity either.
 I didn't (download from the booty), when I realized what was in the booty I deleted the link.
Defend myself? I never forced anyone to visit my site. You described it as horrible, what is it that you don't like about it? (OMG, IS SHE RETARDED???) I'm sorry, but for now I can only do this one (NDT: ok, I didn't exactly understand this)



Ok, this one is almost human.



Yes, I downloaded from the booty, because I have a sub to TSR and Simchic and other sites.
If you check on the server I only accessed to the booty 2 days ago, since I'm high and mighty and respect the choices of other creators. (What kind of choices??)



Slow but atleast in English...



If want a pay item I pay for it. On my site (I dunno what)  
When she says "jobs" she means "creations"



I downloaded 4-5 files from the booty, before realizing they were pay files ( :!:  :!:  :!:  :?:  :?:  :?: ). I promptly stopped when I realized that.



I'm aware of where I am, but I only skin on free meshes, I don't want the people who pay for my creations to have to pay for mesh too. That's why I don't download from the booty ( :!: WHAAAAAAAAAATTTTTT?????????? :?: )



I don't care about the booty or about what you're doing.



I'm aware of that (Somehow I doubt it), but what do you want me to say?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hAckshe5Dc0

DIZ IS MACCARON...
sorry to be OT but when i read "maccaronic" i was sooo tempted to post this one. i did. shame on me  :oops:  :roll:

Hahahahahahahahahaha

Someone said "Sorry to be OT"

*giggles on*

Thanks a lot Diana, that helped a million.

And the world must be coming to an end! Someone A) apologised for beign off-topic (who wasn't me!!) and B) they apologised BEFORE they made the comment!! :shock:  :shock:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Heh, her avatar is actually the reason for it was so easy for me :mrgreen:

Now seriously. Bunny hun, since you obviously don't speak English your chances of getting the point of this thread, of this site and of the whole EULA issue are close to zero, but in 2007 that is really just a pathetic excuse. For chrissake the entire world speaks English, why don't you wake up and get some lessons instead of spending your time illegally charging people with your Sims recolors (yes, they are crappy, but things would be identical if they were great). Mind you, I am Italian, I live in Italy, I never lived anywhere else and I never pretended to be anything else, so yes I do feel especially free to talk to you like this. If you want to open whatever site and make it a good one that possibly won't break any international law that you don't yet know about, I think you should first put yourself in a position where you are able to grab all the necessary informations, otherwise go find yourself another hobby. Or just live with the fact that people like us are going to harshly tell you that you suck for selling copyright protected material, which is a fact no matter what excuse you may come up with. Wake up!

That post cracked me up!
ahah
That website tottaly sucks....
"Admires our creations and choose your look"

I'm not really trying to be mean to her or anything. I'm trying to be nice but her english is bad and then on top of that she tries to argue and make us get her point in her broken english. It frustrates me when I don't understand what people are saying to me especially when we are arguing, If I don't understand you how am I supposed to win the argument?

 :shock:   I think I need ear-bleach and eye bleach    :shock:

It's understandable why so many people are getting mad at her. Perfectly reasonable.

As some one who runs a website and hosts others for free on my domain, at my own cost, this really shits me off.

The amount of time, effort and energy I put into my site, my creations, I come to lothe drama whores and greedy people.

Marilu, your content is not good enough to be even thinking of asking for payment. It's your hobby, I don't need to sponsor you.

My hosting will be coming due soon, I'm not going to ask anyone or even put a voluntary donation button up, because it's my hobby, no one else should pay. What makes you think otherwise? Seriously?


-Missy

[ who for the record, is Skadi of SublimeSims.net and Marilu, you're welcome to stop by to how a real free .php sims site is run  ]

There is stuff on the free page now, but its like they couldn't be bothered to do anything for free.  Its mostly crap.  :(

Oh no.

First of all, even I speak better English and I'm stoned 90% of times. (not really, just making a point.)